FXUS04 KWBC 300636 QPFPFD QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 235 AM EDT SAT OCT 30 2004 PRELIM DAY 1 QPF DISCUSSION VALID OCT 30/1200 UTC THRU OCT 31/1200 UTC REFERENCE AWIPS GRAPHICS UNDER...PRECIP ACCUM - 24HR ...DAY1... ...GT LAKES EWD INTO THE NE... MODELS HAVE CONTINUED TO CONVERGE TO SIMILAR SOLNS REGARDING THE HANDLING OF STG SYSTEM LIFTING NEWD ACRS THE UPR MS VALLEY. FOR THE MOST PART..QPFS ARE QUITE SIMILAR WITH REGARD TO THE COMMA HEAD BAND WHICH IS FCST TO AFFECT PORTIONS OF NRN MN WITH THE HEAVIEST RAINS..AND SAW LITTLE REASON TO DEVIATE MUCH HERE. FARTHER EAST..SIMILAR TO THE DAY RUN..THE GFS CONTINUES TO SHOW DVLP AN AREA OF ENHANCED 7H MSTR CONVERGENCE AND CORRESPONDING UPR DIVERGENCE AT 25H IN THE WAA BAND ACRS THE ERN LAKES EWD INTO NEW ENGLAND. ETA MASS FIELDS LOOK NEARLY IDENTICAL..BUT DON'T SHOW THE ENHANCED UVVS AND RESULTANT HEAVY QPF THAT THE GFS DVLPS. CANADIAN GEM AND MM5 SUGGEST BACKING AWAY FROM THE GFS SOMEWHAT..BUT SUSPECT THE ETA IS STILL A BIT UNDERDONE GIVEN THE STG LEFT EXIT REGION JET SUPPORT AND 40 KT PLUS LOW LEVEL JET ACCOMPANYING LIFTING WARM FRONT. ...SRN PLAINS/LOWER MS VALLEY... SRN END OF COLD FRONT PUSHING ACRS THE ERN U.S. IS EXPECTED TO STALL OVER THE SRN PLAINS AND LIKELY WILL BECOME THE FOCUS FOR INCREASING CNVTN/OVERRUNNING RAINS AS UPR TROF BEGINS TO LIFT OUT OF THE SW/WRN MEX LATE IN THE PD. MODELS DIFFER IN PLACEMENT OF HEAVIER RAINS..IN PART DUE TO DIFFERENCES IN HANDLING OF FRONTAL BNDRY AS WELL AS HOW QUICKLY THE UPR FLOW BACKS AHEAD OF APCHG UPR TROF. THE GFS'S AXIS OF HEAVIER QPF LIES SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THE MORE NRN ETA AND MORE SRN MM5 SOLNS...WHILE THE CANADIAN GEM IS A TAD NORTH OF THE GFS. GIVEN THE SLIGHT NRN TREND OF BOTH THE GFS AND ETA OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS...WENT WITH A COMPROMISE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE TWO SOLNS. GIVEN THE USUAL DRY BIAS IN THE ETA AND THE FACT THAT IT APPEARS TO LOWER PWS TOO MUCH IN SPITE OF INCREASING RETURN FLOW FROM THE WRN GULF..INCREASED .50 INCH AREAL COVERAGE SIGNIFICANTLY ACRS CNTL/NE TX INTO SRN AR/NRN LA. ...PAC NW INTO THE NRN INTERMOUNTAIN REGION... THE MDLS SHOW REASONABLE AGREEMENT HERE AS WELL BRINGING PAC FRONTAL BNDRY RAPIDLY SEWD INTO THE INTERMOUNTAIN REGION SAT AFTN. COOL/MOIST ONSHORE FLOW IS FCST TO REMAIN BEHIND THE FRONT WHICH SHOULD KEEP SHWRS AND HIER ELEV SNOWS GOING ACRS THE COASTAL RANGES INTO THE WA/NRN OR CASCADES. PATRN NOT LIKELY TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY WITH VERY STG JET POISED TO DIG SEWD TOWARD OR/NRN CA LATE IN THE PD. WENT TOWARD HEAVIER ETA AMOUNTS WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE BETTER TOPO DETAILS. 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