Great ideas re illustrating the validity and appropriacy of the different 
languages, David! I'd certainly be able to come up with individual lesson 
plans along those lines; was just hoping to find some sort of manual/text 
that I could use as a labour-saving guide, or have the students use since 
some learners like the comfort of a textbook.
Kevin's question re defining "standard" is a great one! Once you are talking 
about large heterogeneous communities such as the populations of the US or 
even the UK, it's pretty impossible to use the term!
Thanks again to everyone who has had suggestions for me!
Marian



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>English language teaching colleagues,

>

>The issue of register [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register_%

>28linguistics%29 ] is important, as we look at varieties of American

>English and of English in Caribbean and West African countries. For

>example, when I taught English in Monrovia, Liberia in the 1960s, my

>junior high school students resonated with this presentation of

>register:

>

>I would ask: if you went to a bank to get a loan, how successful

>would you be if you said "I say, ma maahn, you ge any money fo me,

>yah?"  My students would laugh.  I would ask: "What should you say?"

>Someone would usually come up with a variation on "Pardon me.  I am

>interested in getting a loan. Can you help me, please?" in _Liberian_

>(upper class or "settler" English) register.  The words are like

>American English but the intonation (and politeness) were distinctly

>Liberian.

>

>I would then ask: if you went to the (outdoor) market in Waterside to

>buy some fish and said "Excuse me, madame, do you have any fresh fish

>today?" how successful would you be?" This would be greeted by roars

>of laughter. When I would ask "What should you say?"  everyone would

>agree that it should be "I say, mahmie, you ge any freh fee today,

>yah?"  Everyone got the point that, in Liberian English there are

>different varieties of English suitable for different situations.

>The same concept applies in American English.

>

>To learn more about Black English, you might start with:

>Dillard, J.L. 1972. Black English: Its history and usage in the

>United States. New York: Random House.

>

>David J. Rosen

>djrosen at comcast.net

>

>On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Kevin Jepson wrote:

>

> > How do you plan to define "standard" "American" English? I've never

> > come

> > across it.

> >

> > Kevin Jepson

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Kathryn Quinn

> > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:24 PM

> > To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 695] Re: materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/

> > going

> > ratefor in-house programmes

> >

> > Many of the Liberian students with whom I've worked responded best

> > to the

> > idea of learning Standard American English.  Attaching American to

> > it seemed

> > to encourage more willingness to learn a new language.

> > Kathryn Quinn

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <robinschwarz1 at aol.com>

> > To: <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:46 PM

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 693] Re: materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/

> > going rate

> > for in-house programmes

> >

> >

> >> I know from having worked with some of these learners that treating

> >> Standard English as another/second/foreign language is helpful --that

> >> is, if the learners are helped to realize that they do not have to

> >> abandon their own version of English to acquire standard English

> >> and if

> >> they can then do cross-language comparisons and "translations"-- here

> >> is how we say it in standard English--how do you say that in Jamaican

> >> (or Pidgen or whatever) and vice versa they get a much clearer

> >> idea of

> >> what is being "improved"--which is really learned as an alternate

> >> form.

> >>

> >>

> >> Many of these learners have gone to school in their version of

> >> English,

> >> so must learn Standard English grammatical patterns and word usage

> >> literally as another language.

> >>

> >> The  issue has been addressed in many places in the US where schools

> >> find that students' use of African American "Ebonics"  collides with

> >> standards set for writing or speaking standard English.   If you

> >> google

> >> Ebonics you may find some of the research and discussion on this

> >> topic.

> >>   I am sorry that I do not have any particular literature at my

> >> fingertips.  I know that a San Francisco area school district did

> >> quite

> >> a lot of work on the topic in the last few years.

> >>

> >> Robin Lovrien Schwarz

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: ylerew at aol.com

> >> To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> >> Sent: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:45 AM

> >> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 688] Re: materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/

> >> going

> >> rate for in-house programmes

> >>

> >>     I would second the request for books/material/and other ideas to

> >> work with students who speak forms of Engllish that are non-standard

> >>  from a North American English point of view. Other examples are

> >> students from Liberia and other parts of Africa.

> >>  Thanks

> >>  Yvonne Lerew

> >>

> >>

> >>  -----Original Message-----

> >>  From: mcazabon at hotmail.com

> >>  To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> >>  Sent: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:55 PM

> >>   Subject: [EnglishLanguage 683] materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/going

> >> rate for in-house programmes

> >>

> >>   If anyone can help with the following, I'd appreciate it:

> >> I hope to undertake very soon an in-house programme for clerical and

> >> administrative workers in a large, successful law firm with a view to

> >> helping them improve their written English. I have been following

> >> this

> >> week's discussions about curriculum and materials development,

> >> assessment

> >> and accountability with interest. One big difference, however,

> >> between

> >> my

> >> prospective learners and most of yours, is that my learners are not

> >> exactly

> >> non-native speakers of English. I live in the Caribbean and they are

> >> all

> >> speakers of a range of English-lexicon Creoles! Does anyone know

> >> of any

> >> useful materials or texts out there? I know that some US high schools

> >> make a

> >> special effort to help Caribbean immigrants improve their standard

> >> English.

> >> I have already purchased a couple of texts produced by the University

> >> of the

> >> West Indies.

> >> My second question is - what would be an appropriate billing rate?

> >> Thank you for any help you can offer!

> >> Marian Cazabon-Blok

> >>

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