FXUS04 KWBC 291846 QPFPFD QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 146 PM EST MON NOV 29 2004 PRELIM DAY 1 AND DAY 2 QPF DISCUSSION VALID DEC 01/0000 UTC THRU DEC 02/0000 UTC REFERENCE AWIPS GRAPHICS UNDER...PRECIP ACCUM - 24HR DAY 1... ...MID/LWR MS VLY NEWD INTO TN/OH VLYS... SRN STREAM HEIGHT FALLS WL EJECT ENE INTO THE HIGH PLAINS OVR THE NEXT 12 HRS AND THEN BE FOCUSED NEWD TWD THE MID MS VLY BY LATE IN THE PD. ALREADY A VRY MOIST FETCH OF DEEP LYR SWLY FLOW ACRS THE LWR MS VLY AND INTO THE TN/OH VLYS AHEAD OF THE ADVANCING CLOSED LOW/TROF ATTM IN THE SRN ROCKIES. THE ETA AND GFS SHOW PERSISTENTLY STG THETA-E ADVECTION AND PWS INCREASING TO OVR 1.75 INCHES ACRS THE LWR MS VLY/WRN GULF COAST REGION AND ADVANCING NEWD TWD THE LWR OH/TN VLYS. SRLY H8 FLOW IS PROGGED NR 40 KTS WHICH COMBINED WITH STG LOW LVL FORCING AND ISENTROPIC LIFT SHD MAINTAIN A BROAD SHIELD OF MDT/HVY RAINS. GOOD H25 RRQ JET FORCING IS ALSO EXPECTED TO BE AN ADDITIONAL COMPONENT TO ENHANCE OMEGA. THE GFS SOLN APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE TOO QUICK TO ADVANCE THE CURRENT SW/NE AXIS OF HVY RAINS SEWD GIVEN THE STRENGTH OF THE MID/UPR LVL SUBTROPICAL RIDGE OVR THE SERN STATES. THE ETA HOLDS THE PCPN BACK TO THE NW JUST A BIT AND THIS SEEMS TO BE COINCIDING BETTER WITH CURRENT RADAR/SAT TRENDS. BY LATE IN THE PD...MOISTURE SHD ADVANCE MORE RAPIDLY NWD AND THIS REPRESENTS AN ETA/GFS BLEND WITH SOME MORE CONCENTRATED RAINS MOVG INTO THE OH VLY AND WHICH WL BE ASSOC WITH DEEPENING SFC LOW PRESSURE ADVANCING TWD THE LWR OH VLY. XPCT A BROAD AREA OF 1 TO 2 INCH RAINS WITH SOME AMTS OVR 3 INCHES ASSOC WITH THE DEEP MOISTURE FEED. THESE AMTS ARE WEIGHTED TWD THE ETA BUT HAVE BEEN ENHANCED FURTHER TO ACCOUNT FOR THE THREAT OF TRAINING CONVECTION AND THE PERSISTENT UPR JET FORCING. ...PAC NW... XPCT LGT/MDT OROGRAPHICALLY ENHANCED RAINS AND SOME HIER ELEV SNOWS THIS PD AS A PROGRESSIVE S/WV MOVES INLAND ACRS WA/OR AND ADVANCES TWD THE NRN GRT BASIN. ONSHORE FLOW WL FOCUS THE HEAVIEST PCPN ACRS THE FAVORED COASTAL RANGES...BUT MUCH OF THIS PCPN SHD BEGIN TO WANE BY THE END OF THE PD AS THE HEIGHT FALLS PUSHING INLAND WL BE WEAKENING AND THE ONSHORE FLOW WL BECOME MORE MODEST. MANUAL PROGS FAVOR AN ETA/GFS BLEND WITH THIS...HOWEVER WITH SOME HEAVIER ADJUSTMENTS MADE TO THE UPSLOPE AREAS OF ESP WRN WA/OR. DAY 2... ...EASTERN U.S.... THE MODELS CONTINUE TO DIFFER ON THE TRACK AND INTENSITY OF THE SURFACE LOW FORECAST TO LIFT NORTHEAST ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY AND NORTHEAST. THE ETA IS ABOUT 10 TO 12 MB DEEPER WITH THE LOW THROUGH THE PERIOD...AND ALSO A BIT FURTHER TO THE WEST WITH THE TRACK. THUS...THE ETA ALSO PAINTS HIGHER QPF FROM NORTHEAST ILLINOIS TO SOUTHWEST LOWER MICHIGAN. THE GFS HAS TRENDED A BIT FURTHER TO THE WEST WITH THE TRACK OVER THE PAST FEW RUNS...THOUGH NOT NEARLY AS DEEP WITH THE SURFACE LOW. MOST OF THE OTHER MODELS FAVOR AN INTENSITY CLOSER TO THE GFS...BUT A BIT FURTHER WEST SUCH AS UKMET AND CAN GLOBAL. MANUAL PROGS WEIGHTED SLIGHTLY TOWARD THE GFS...BUT DID SHIFT THE HIGHER AMOUNTS FURTHER WEST TO INCLUDE PORTIONS OF NORTHEAST ILLINOIS TO SOUTHERN LOWER MICHIGAN. HEAVY TO LOCALLY EXCESSIVE RAINS STILL A GOOD BET FOR THESE AREAS. WENT CLOSER TO THE GFS FOR THE LAST PERIOD OF THE DAY TWO QPF. ...PACIFIC NW... WITH THE NW DOMINATED BY NWLY FLOW AND VERY LITTLE MSTR AVAILABLE.. ONLY LIGHT PCPN IS EXPECTED OVER MOST OF THE REGION THAT WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE NRN INTERMOUNTAIN REGION AND NRN ROCKIES AS A COUPLE OF VORT MAXES ALOFT MOVE THRU THE AREA. 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