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--0-873303738-1217882440=:66151-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 3 X-lyris-Id: 172588 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:16:54 -0700 From: "Burkey, Jeff" Subject: RE: opn sequence block operations limit Mohammad, I see two options to not lose resolution. Since Aqua Terra Consultants are custodians of BASINS for EPA (at least I think they still are), it's possible that they could recompile with increased array sizes and post a new version of BASINS, or you can create sequential sub-models. Since HSPF is a 1-D model, building UCI files in sequence is fairly straight forward (no need for coupling models for feedback loops). Output the various state variables you're simulating to a WDM and read those in as a boundary condition for the downstream model. Now if you've tricked out your model using a myriad of special-actions to create feedback loops, then a little more design time may be needed to segment the models up in a less than intuitive way. Those two options will not reduce the level of detail you're trying to maintain, just more data management overhead and a little more cpu time. Hope this helps.=20 - Jeff -----Original Message----- From: malsmadi@vt.edu [mailto:malsmadi@vt.edu]=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:05 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] opn sequence block operations limit I have a rather large project which is resulting in more than 500 operations in the opn sequence block. I am trying to avoid combining subwatersheds and was wondering if anybody has later version or modified version of xhspfx.exe that allows more than 500 operations. Thanks. Mohammad Alsmadi ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 4 X-lyris-Id: 172589 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:05:55 -0500 From: Thomas M Over Subject: Re: HSPF This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007964D38625749B_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Lauren - Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation. That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is. Hope that helps, Tom Over Lauren Felker 08/04/2008 03:40 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject [basinsinfo] HSPF Hello all, I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament? I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the following error: "Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file. See file 'error.fil' for more information." Can anyone tell me what the problem is here? Lauren ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --=_alternative 007964D38625749B_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Lauren -

Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation.

That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is.

Hope that helps,
Tom Over

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Hello all,

I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament?

I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the following error:
"Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file.
See file 'error.fil' for more information."
Can anyone tell me what the problem is here?

Lauren

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--=_alternative 007964D38625749B_=-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 5 X-lyris-Id: 172680 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:13:52 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: watershed delineation This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8F887.103E9770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear BASINS users, I want to use Catchment Characterisation and Modelling (CCM2) data for my study area. These data contains very detailed stream segments and watershed subcatchments polygons. How can I use these data for watershed delineation in BASINS. If you share your experiences about it, I'll be very appreciated. Regards. Serdar ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8F887.103E9770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear BASINS users,

I want to use Catchment Characterisation and = Modelling (CCM2) data for my study area.

These data contains very detailed stream segments and watershed subcatchments polygons. How can I use these data for watershed delineation in BASINS. If you share your experiences about it, I'll be = very appreciated.

Regards.

Serdar

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8F887.103E9770-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 6 X-lyris-Id: 172681 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:36:10 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: automatic watershed delineation This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8F892.8FFCC440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear BASINS user When I want to use automatic delineation process for my catchment, I coudn't choose my DEM layer in Automatic Watershed Delineation window. DEM layer could't see in dropdown menu. When I want to open in folder, I get "That grid layer already exist. It will appear in the drop down list if it is a valid format." What is the meaning of "valid format". I can see DEM layer in my Project and I looks like normal. Do I need change layer name or another modifications. Please help Regards. Serdar ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8F892.8FFCC440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear BASINS user

When I want to use automatic delineation process for = my catchment, I coudn’t choose my DEM layer in Automatic Watershed Delineation = window. DEM layer could’t see in dropdown menu. When I want to open in folder, = I get “That grid layer already exist. It will appear in the drop down list if it is = a valid format.”

What is the meaning of “valid format”. I = can see DEM layer in my Project and I looks like normal. Do I need change layer = name or another modifications.

Please help

Regards.

Serdar

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8F892.8FFCC440-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 7 X-lyris-Id: 172683 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mansoor A Baloch Subject: Re: HSPF --0-1570957467-1218116957=:78728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lauren =A0 You are getting this message probably because when you create an .exs file = with the same name as your .uci file, a new empty .uci file of the same nam= e is created in the working =A0folder replacing your original .uci file. I = faced the same thing initially when I tried to run HSPEXP for model calibra= tion. The remedy is to save your original uci file in another folder and cr= eate the .exs file and replace the .uci file automatically created in your = working folder with the original one from the other folder. =A0 Hope it works =A0 Mansoor --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Thomas M Over wrote: From: Thomas M Over Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM Lauren -=20 Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficien= cy (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? = If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is a= ctually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolat= ion.=20 That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing wat= er somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is.= =20 Hope that helps,=20 Tom Over=20 Lauren Felker =20 08/04/2008 03:40 PM=20 Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" =20 cc Subject [basinsinfo] HSPF Hello all, =A0 =A0I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensiv= ely, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water d= uring the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and = interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are = fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not = enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament?=20 =A0 =A0I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibr= ation. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I r= ename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. The= y are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to= "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the fo= llowing error:=20 =A0 =A0"Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file.=20 =A0 =A0 See file 'error.fil' for more information." Can anyone tell me what the problem is here? Lauren=20 ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go= v=20 OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.p= l to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov= =20 ------------------------------------------=20 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to = the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basin= sinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at http= s://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact = the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ---------= ---------------------------------=0A=0A=0A --0-1570957467-1218116957=:78728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Lauren

You are getting this message probably because when you create an .exs file with the same name as your .uci file, a new empty .uci file of the same name is created in the working folder replacing your original .uci file. I faced the same thing initially when I tried to run HSPEXP for model calibration. The remedy is to save your original uci file in another folder and create the .exs file and replace the .uci file automatically created in your working folder with the original one from the other folder.

Hope it works

Mansoor

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Thomas M Over <tmover@usgs.gov> wrote:

From: Thomas M Over <tmover@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM

Lauren -

Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation.

That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is.

Hope that helps,
Tom Over

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Hello all,

I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament?

I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the following error:
"Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file.
See file 'error.fil' for more information."
Can anyone tell me what the problem is here?

Lauren

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< br> --0-1570957467-1218116957=:78728-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 8 X-lyris-Id: 172710 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Felker Subject: Re: HSPF --0-1826527119-1218135017=:53050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the advice! I've tried doing that, but it still gives me the same error... Lauren ----- Original Message ---- From: Mansoor A Baloch To: Private list for BASINS users Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:49:17 AM Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Lauren You are getting this message probably because when you create an .exs file with the same name as your .uci file, a new empty .uci file of the same name is created in the working folder replacing your original .uci file. I faced the same thing initially when I tried to run HSPEXP for model calibration. The remedy is to save your original uci file in another folder and create the .exs file and replace the .uci file automatically created in your working folder with the original one from the other folder. Hope it works Mansoor --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Thomas M Over wrote: From: Thomas M Over Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM Lauren - Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation. That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is. Hope that helps, Tom Over Lauren Felker 08/04/2008 03:40 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject [basinsinfo] HSPF Hello all, I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament? I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the following error: "Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file. See file 'error.fil' for more information." Can anyone tell me what the problem is here? Lauren ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --0-1826527119-1218135017=:53050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thanks for the advice! I've tried doing that, but it still gives me the same error...

Lauren

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--0-1826527119-1218135017=:53050-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 9 X-lyris-Id: 172711 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:07:48 -0400 From: "Tom Jobes" Subject: RE: HSPF This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F8C0.E1EF7C28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If HSPEXP reports that your input file is invalid, check your echo file (MESSU in FILES block) for error messages. HSPEXP will not let you open a model input that does not interpret cleanly. Warning messages are okay, but even one error will prevent you from working with the file. =20 Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 =20 From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:50 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF =20 Thanks for the advice! I've tried doing that, but it still gives me the same error... Lauren =20 ----- Original Message ---- From: Mansoor A Baloch To: Private list for BASINS users Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:49:17 AM Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Lauren =20 You are getting this message probably because when you create an .exs file with the same name as your .uci file, a new empty .uci file of the same name is created in the working folder replacing your original .uci file. I faced the same thing initially when I tried to run HSPEXP for model calibration. The remedy is to save your original uci file in another folder and create the .exs file and replace the .uci file automatically created in your working folder with the original one from the other folder. =20 Hope it works =20 Mansoor --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Thomas M Over wrote: From: Thomas M Over Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM =09 Lauren -=20 =09 Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation.=20 =09 That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is.=20 =09 Hope that helps,=20 Tom Over=20 =09 =09 =09 Lauren Felker =20 08/04/2008 03:40 PM=20 Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" =20 cc =09 Subject [basinsinfo] HSPF =20 =09 =09 =09 =09 Hello all, =09 I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament?=20 =09 I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the following error:=20 "Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file.=20 See file 'error.fil' for more information." Can anyone tell me what the problem is here? =09 Lauren=20 =09 ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 =09 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov=20 OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------=20 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. 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If HSPEXP reports that your input file is invalid, check = your echo file (MESSU in FILES block) for error messages. HSPEXP will = not let you open

a model input that does not interpret cleanly. = Warning messages are okay, but even one error will prevent you from working with = the file.

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

From:= Lauren = Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:50 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF

Thanks for the advice! I've tried doing that, but = it still gives me the same error...

Lauren

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From: Mansoor A Baloch <maahbaloch@yahoo.com>
To: Private list for BASINS users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:49:17 AM
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF

Lauren

Hope it works

Mansoor

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Thomas M Over <tmover@usgs.gov> wrote:

From: Thomas M Over <tmover@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM

Lauren -

Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation.

That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is.

Hope that helps,
Tom Over

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Hello all,

I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament?

I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the following error:
"Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file.
See file 'error.fil' for more information."
Can anyone tell me what the problem is here?

Lauren

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Lauren

You = are getting this message probably because when you create an .exs file = with the same name as your .uci file, a new empty .uci file of the same name is created in the working folder replacing your original .uci file. = I faced the same thing initially when I tried to run HSPEXP for model calibration. The remedy is to save your original uci file in another = folder and create the .exs file and replace the .uci file automatically = created in your working folder with the original one from the other = folder.

Hope it = works

Mansoor

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From: Thomas M Over <tmover@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM

Lauren -

Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage = catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not = enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have = too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) = or too much deep percolation.

That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing = water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that = is.

Hope that helps,
Tom Over

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Hello all,

I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run = PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not = enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the = infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the = hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there = simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this = predicament?

I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help = in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I = make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from = HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when = I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or = "put" if you will, I get the following error:
"Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file.
See file 'error.fil' for more information."
Can anyone tell me what the problem is here?

Lauren

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F8C0.E1EF7C28-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 10 X-lyris-Id: 172712 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:09:30 -0400 From: Kate Flynn Subject: Re: HSPF This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00693F1C8525749E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" HSPExp requires that file names adhere to the DOS naming convention. That means file and folder names consist of 1 to 8 alpha-numeric characters optionally followed by a period and 1 to 3 alpha-numeric characters. Spaces are not allowed. This applies to the exs/uci files as well as the wdm and all other files listed in the uci FILES block. _______________________ Kate Flynn U.S. Geological Survey Office of Surface Water Lauren Felker 08/07/2008 02:50 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Thanks for the advice! I've tried doing that, but it still gives me the same error... Lauren ----- Original Message ---- From: Mansoor A Baloch To: Private list for BASINS users Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:49:17 AM Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Lauren You are getting this message probably because when you create an .exs file with the same name as your .uci file, a new empty .uci file of the same name is created in the working folder replacing your original .uci file. I faced the same thing initially when I tried to run HSPEXP for model calibration. The remedy is to save your original uci file in another folder and create the .exs file and replace the .uci file automatically created in your working folder with the original one from the other folder. Hope it works Mansoor --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Thomas M Over wrote: From: Thomas M Over Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM Lauren - Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation. That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is. Hope that helps, Tom Over Lauren Felker 08/04/2008 03:40 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject [basinsinfo] HSPF Hello all, I am using HSPF to model flow in a watershed. I've run PEST extensively, and have had fairly good results. However, there is not enough water during the cool season. I've tried playing around with the infiltration and interflow parameters with little result. The shapes of the hydrographs are fairly good, as well as the shape of the baseflow, but there simply is not enough water. Does anyone have any suggestions about this predicament? I have also run into some problems using HSPEXP to help in my calibration. I don't have any problem creating the .exs file, and I make sure I rename the exs file to match the uci file that I already have from HSPF. They are in the same folder that I am running HSPEXP out of, but when I try to "get" the file that I previously saved, or "put" if you will, I get the following error: "Specified file is not a valid HSPF UCI file. See file 'error.fil' for more information." Can anyone tell me what the problem is here? Lauren --=_alternative 00693F1C8525749E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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Thanks for the advice! I've tried doing that, but it still gives me the same error...

Lauren

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Lauren

You are getting this message probably because when you create an .exs file with the same name as your .uci file, a new empty .uci file of the same name is created in the working folder replacing your original .uci file. I faced the same thing initially when I tried to run HSPEXP for model calibration. The remedy is to save your original uci file in another folder and create the .exs file and replace the .uci file automatically created in your working folder with the original one from the other folder.

Hope it works

Mansoor

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From: Thomas M Over <tmover@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:05 AM

Lauren -

Does your "cool season" involve snow? If it does, could gage catch deficiency (worse for snow than for rain) explain your "not enough water" problem? If that is not it, then it seems you must have too much ET (vegetation is actually senescent but modeled as if transpiring?) or too much deep percolation.

That is all assuming the model isn't doing something strange and losing water somewhere. I don't have enough experience to guess how likely that is.

Hope that helps,
Tom Over

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--=_alternative 00693F1C8525749E_=-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 11 X-lyris-Id: 172790 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:59:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jferrari@al.umces.edu Subject: HSPF- daily & hourly Hello All, As I understand it, HSPF runs on an hourly basis and you can report output as hourly, daily, etc. Is it possible to run HSPF using daily time steps? Or must it run using hourly time steps? Thanks! Joe Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 12 X-lyris-Id: 172792 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:19:13 -0600 From: "Matt Hahm" Subject: RE HSPF- daily & hourly I am currently out of the office and will return on August 14. I will reply to your email at that time. Feel free to call the office and talk with Andy Wells in my absence. 262-376-4246 If this is an emergency, please call my cell phone and leave a message 262-385-6031. Matt ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 13 X-lyris-Id: 172793 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:50:59 -0400 From: "Iudicello, Jeff" Subject: Creating Scripts in WDMUtil Dear HSPF folks- I'm attempting to create an Import Script in WDMUtil. I am able to pull up= the .txt file with the data, but when I try adjusting the "Column Format" = options in the Script Creation Wizard, it seems to limit the data. For exa= mple, my data set has roughly 1,000 lines of precipitation measurements, bu= t when I change the radio button from "Fixed Width" to any of the other thr= ee options, there are only about 20 of the original 1,000 that are shown. = Why does the other data go away? Also, when I change away from "Fixed Width", any adjustments I've made in t= he previous "Header" section seem to be ignored. For instance, if I enter = the proper # of lines to get rid of the header, and then select "Character:= ," under Column Format, the heading is fully shown. Having the heading sh= owing makes Data Mapping difficult... Can anyone provide some assistance? Thanks. Jeff Iudicello PhD Student Department of Civil, Architectural, and Environmental Engineering University of Miami j.iudicello@umiami.edu ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 14 X-lyris-Id: 172800 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:18:11 -0400 From: Peter Ko Subject: RE: automatic watershed delineation This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_qc+F3KwLE+U/ZJHnlwvEAg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Serdar, =20 Since your postings on 7 August, I have not seen any response to your questions. While I'm not the expert, I can provide you with what I've = been able to do. I was using MapWindow, which is the functionality = incorporated into BASINS. Using Automatic Watershed Delineation, the DEM layer did = not show up in the dropdown menu. As I understand that MapWindow uses = ArcView ASCII Grid format for DEM data and ArcView Shapefile format for vector = data, I took extra care that my data sets are in (or I believe they are in) = the proper formats. But so far it did not help to fix the Automatic = Watershed Delineation problem.=20 =20 For reasons which I have not been able to determine, the same data sets worked if I were to do it manually step by step, from pit-fill to the = end. But as I was told by the folks at MapWindow that this procedure uses the = old sets of routines, which you have to be very careful in placing the = outlet locations right on the stream grid.=20 =20 With respect to your first post in using the detail stream segment, I = would imagine if your segments are in ArcView Shapefile format, you would be = able to read into BASINS/MapWindow. If you already have the watershed = polygons, wouldn't you be able to use them as is? However, you would probably have = to make sure that they are in ArcView Shapefile format. =20 If PaperPort from Scansoft is also installed on your computer, you might also encounter another problem, as I did when I first started using the recent version of MapWindow, that trying to open a shapefile in the = manual delineation process would trigger the system to install PaperPort, = asking for the installation media. Only when I followed the instructions to = install PaperPort, this problem appeared to have been fixed or have disappeared. =20 So far, I have had some success in using the watershed delineation = manually. However, I am still having problems in working through the step by step Geo-Processing for MWSWAT (MapWindow SWAT), while trying to use the = Tools in MapWindow. The problem was similar to your problem with BASINS, not able = to see the DEM in the dropdown menu. =20 Good luck! Peter Ko _____ =20 From: Serdar G=F6nc=FC [mailto:sgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:36 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation Dear BASINS user =20 When I want to use automatic delineation process for my catchment, I = coudn=92t choose my DEM layer in Automatic Watershed Delineation window. DEM layer could=92t see in dropdown menu. When I want to open in folder, I get = =93That grid layer already exist. It will appear in the drop down list if it is = a valid format.=94 =20 What is the meaning of =93valid format=94. I can see DEM layer in my = Project and I looks like normal. Do I need change layer name or another = modifications.=20 =20 Please help =20 Regards. =20 =20 Serdar =20 ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------=20 --Boundary_(ID_qc+F3KwLE+U/ZJHnlwvEAg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Serdar,

Since your postings on 7 August, I have not = seen any=20 response to your questions. While I'm not the expert, I can provide you = with=20 what I've been able to do. I was using MapWindow, which is the = functionality=20 incorporated into BASINS. Using Automatic Watershed Delineation, the DEM = layer=20 did not show up in the dropdown menu. As I understand that MapWindow = uses=20 ArcView ASCII Grid format for DEM data and ArcView Shapefile format for = vector=20 data, I took extra care that my data sets are in (or I believe they are = in) the=20 proper formats. But so far it did not help to fix = the Automatic=20 Watershed Delineation problem.

For reasons which I have not been able to = determine, the=20 same data sets worked if I were to do it manually step by step, from = pit-fill to=20 the end. But as I was told by the folks at MapWindow that this procedure = uses=20 the old sets of routines, which you have to be very careful in placing = the=20 outlet locations right on the stream grid.

With respect to your first post in using the = detail stream=20 segment, I would imagine if your segments are in ArcView Shapefile = format, you=20 would be able to read into BASINS/MapWindow. If you already have the = watershed=20 polygons, wouldn't you be able to use them as is? However, you would = probably=20 have to make sure that they are in ArcView Shapefile=20 format.

If PaperPort from Scansoft is also = installed on your=20 computer, you might also encounter another problem, as I did when I = first=20 started using the recent version of MapWindow, that trying to open = a=20 shapefile in the manual delineation process would trigger the system=20 to install PaperPort, asking for the installation media. Only when = I=20 followed the instructions to install PaperPort, this problem appeared to = have=20 been fixed or have disappeared.

So far, I have had some success in using the = watershed=20 delineation manually. However, I am still having problems in working = through the=20 step by step Geo-Processing for MWSWAT (MapWindow SWAT), while trying to = use the=20 Tools in MapWindow. The problem was similar to your problem with BASINS, = not=20 able to see the DEM in the dropdown menu.

Good luck!

Peter Ko

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Sent: Thursday, August 07, = 2008 6:36=20 AM
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Dear BASINS=20 user

When I want to use = automatic=20 delineation process for my catchment, I coudn=92t choose my DEM layer in = Automatic=20 Watershed Delineation window. DEM layer could=92t see in dropdown menu. = When I=20 want to open in folder, I get =93That grid layer already exist. It will = appear in=20 the drop down list if it is a valid = format.=94

What is the meaning of = =93valid=20 format=94. I can see DEM layer in my Project and I looks like normal. Do = I need=20 change layer name or another modifications. =

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------------------------------------------ --Boundary_(ID_qc+F3KwLE+U/ZJHnlwvEAg)-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 15 X-lyris-Id: 172803 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:05:57 -0400 From: "Tom Jobes" Subject: RE: HSPF- daily & hourly HSPF can run on a timestep anywhere from 1 minute to 1 day, as long as the timestep divides evenly into a day. However, accuracy tends to be impacted when running long timesteps like daily, because the model cannot therefore distinguish between a day-long drizzle and a sudden downpour with the same total depth, while the runoff from these two events are generally markedly different. Because hourly rainfall data are fairly commonly available, an hourly timestep has become the conventional approach, with shorter timesteps used when rainfall data at those intervals are available. This is why you find that WinHspf et al generally default to hourly timesteps, though it is possible to change that. If you're considering running daily rainfall, then my advice would be to consider finding a nearby hourly gage for disaggregation instead, unless you feel that the rainfall intensities in your watershed vary much less than is typical. Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 -----Original Message----- From: jferrari@al.umces.edu [mailto:jferrari@al.umces.edu]=20 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:00 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF- daily & hourly Hello All, As I understand it, HSPF runs on an hourly basis and you can report output as hourly, daily, etc. Is it possible to run HSPF using daily time steps? Or must it run using hourly time steps? Thanks! Joe Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 16 X-lyris-Id: 172811 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:18:04 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: RE: automatic watershed delineation This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8FC6D.1906A5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Peter and other Basins users that help me!, =20 I realized that I nned manual delineation. As your said, I have already subwatershed polygons and I can use these polygons (shape file) in = manual delineation. But after these event, I try to use manual delineation and encountered another problem. In manual delineation process. I could be accepted my subbasin shp file and dem files. I can delineate my = subbasins and calculate subbasins parameters. But define stream Network and = Outlets process to be resulted with failure. Program said "Cannot find field = "Level" in the streams layer". I know that is the stream branches order. But My stream braches are very complex and made by STRAHLER ORDER. I think = Basins need "Drain Stream Level" type. How can I convert the stream braches = order type? =20 You can find in below my screen capture images. =20 http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7167/basin1pz2.jpg=20 http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/645/basin2sa4.jpg=20 =20 Regards =20 =20 Serdar =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Peter Ko [mailto:funeng@videotron.ca]=20 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:18 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation =20 Dear Serdar, =20 Since your postings on 7 August, I have not seen any response to your questions. While I'm not the expert, I can provide you with what I've = been able to do. I was using MapWindow, which is the functionality = incorporated into BASINS. Using Automatic Watershed Delineation, the DEM layer did = not show up in the dropdown menu. As I understand that MapWindow uses = ArcView ASCII Grid format for DEM data and ArcView Shapefile format for vector = data, I took extra care that my data sets are in (or I believe they are in) = the proper formats. But so far it did not help to fix the Automatic = Watershed Delineation problem.=20 =20 For reasons which I have not been able to determine, the same data sets worked if I were to do it manually step by step, from pit-fill to the = end. But as I was told by the folks at MapWindow that this procedure uses the = old sets of routines, which you have to be very careful in placing the = outlet locations right on the stream grid.=20 =20 With respect to your first post in using the detail stream segment, I = would imagine if your segments are in ArcView Shapefile format, you would be = able to read into BASINS/MapWindow. If you already have the watershed = polygons, wouldn't you be able to use them as is? However, you would probably have = to make sure that they are in ArcView Shapefile format. =20 If PaperPort from Scansoft is also installed on your computer, you might also encounter another problem, as I did when I first started using the recent version of MapWindow, that trying to open a shapefile in the = manual delineation process would trigger the system to install PaperPort, = asking for the installation media. Only when I followed the instructions to = install PaperPort, this problem appeared to have been fixed or have disappeared. =20 So far, I have had some success in using the watershed delineation = manually. However, I am still having problems in working through the step by step Geo-Processing for MWSWAT (MapWindow SWAT), while trying to use the = Tools in MapWindow. The problem was similar to your problem with BASINS, not able = to see the DEM in the dropdown menu. =20 Good luck! Peter Ko =20 _____ =20 From: Serdar G=F6nc=FC [mailto:sgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:36 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation Dear BASINS user =20 When I want to use automatic delineation process for my catchment, I = coudn't choose my DEM layer in Automatic Watershed Delineation window. DEM layer could't see in dropdown menu. When I want to open in folder, I get "That grid layer already exist. It will appear in the drop down list if it is = a valid format." =20 What is the meaning of "valid format". I can see DEM layer in my Project = and I looks like normal. Do I need change layer name or another = modifications.=20 =20 Please help =20 Regards. =20 =20 Serdar =20 ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8FC6D.1906A5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Peter and other Basins users = that help me!,

I realized that I nned manual = delineation. As your said, I have already subwatershed polygons and I can use these = polygons (shape file) in manual delineation. But after these event, I try to use = manual delineation and encountered another problem. In manual delineation = process. I could be accepted my subbasin shp file and dem files. I can delineate my = subbasins and calculate subbasins parameters. But define stream Network and = Outlets process to be resulted with failure. Program said “Cannot find = field “Level” in the streams layer”. I know that is the stream branches order. = But My stream braches are very complex and made by STRAHLER ORDER. I think = Basins need “Drain Stream Level” type. How can I convert the stream = braches order type?

You can find in below my screen = capture images.

http://img= 227.imageshack.us/img227/7167/basin1pz2.jpg

http://img1= 44.imageshack.us/img144/645/basin2sa4.jpg

Regards

Serdar

From: Peter = Ko [mailto:funeng@videotron.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 11, = 2008 8:18 PM
To: Private list for = BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation

Dear = Serdar,

Since your postings on 7 August, I = have not seen any response to your questions. While I'm not the expert, I can provide you with what I've been able to do. I was using MapWindow, which = is the functionality incorporated into BASINS. Using Automatic Watershed = Delineation, the DEM layer did not show up in the dropdown menu. As I understand that MapWindow uses ArcView ASCII Grid format for DEM data and ArcView = Shapefile format for vector data, I took extra care that my data sets are in (or I believe they are in) the proper formats. But so far it did not help to fix the Automatic Watershed Delineation problem. =

For reasons which I have not been = able to determine, the same data sets worked if I were to do it manually step by = step, from pit-fill to the end. But as I was told by the folks at MapWindow = that this procedure uses the old sets of routines, which you have to be very = careful in placing the outlet locations right on the stream grid. =

With respect to your first post in = using the detail stream segment, I would imagine if your segments are in = ArcView Shapefile format, you would be able to read into BASINS/MapWindow. If = you already have the watershed polygons, wouldn't you be able to use them as = is? However, you would probably have to make sure that they are in = ArcView Shapefile format.

If PaperPort from Scansoft is = also installed on your computer, you might also encounter another problem, as = I did when I first started using the recent version of MapWindow, that = trying to open a shapefile in the manual delineation process would trigger the = system to install PaperPort, asking for the installation media. Only when = I followed the instructions to install PaperPort, this problem appeared to = have been fixed or have disappeared.

So far, I have had some success in = using the watershed delineation manually. However, I am still having problems = in working through the step by step Geo-Processing for MWSWAT (MapWindow = SWAT), while trying to use the Tools in MapWindow. The problem was similar to = your problem with BASINS, not able to see the DEM in the dropdown = menu.

Good = luck!

Peter = Ko

From: Serdar G=F6nc=FC [mailto:sgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr]
Sent: Thursday, August = 07, 2008 6:36 AM
To: Private list for = BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] = automatic watershed delineation

Dear BASINS user

When I want to use automatic delineation process for = my catchment, I coudn’t choose my DEM layer in Automatic Watershed Delineation window. DEM layer could’t see in dropdown menu. When I = want to open in folder, I get “That grid layer already exist. It will = appear in the drop down list if it is a valid = format.”

What is the meaning of “valid format”. I = can see DEM layer in my Project and I looks like normal. Do I need change layer = name or another modifications.

Please help

Regards.

Serdar

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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C8FC6D.1906A5C0-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 17 X-lyris-Id: 172812 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:21:23 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: FW: automatic watershed delineation This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C8FC6D.910B97B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Basins users, =20 I forgot to ask at the before e-mail.=20 =20 In the manual delineation, what are funstions of "Include PCS as = Outlets" and "Force Continuous Flow Parth" options ? Please give some information =20 Regards =20 Serdar =20 _____ =20 From: Serdar G=F6nc=FC [mailto:sgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:18 AM To: 'Private list for BASINS users' Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation =20 Dear Peter and other Basins users that help me!, =20 I realized that I nned manual delineation. As your said, I have already subwatershed polygons and I can use these polygons (shape file) in = manual delineation. But after these event, I try to use manual delineation and encountered another problem. In manual delineation process. I could be accepted my subbasin shp file and dem files. I can delineate my = subbasins and calculate subbasins parameters. But define stream Network and = Outlets process to be resulted with failure. Program said "Cannot find field = "Level" in the streams layer". I know that is the stream branches order. But My stream braches are very complex and made by STRAHLER ORDER. I think = Basins need "Drain Stream Level" type. How can I convert the stream braches = order type? =20 You can find in below my screen capture images. =20 http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7167/basin1pz2.jpg=20 http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/645/basin2sa4.jpg=20 =20 Regards =20 =20 Serdar =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Peter Ko [mailto:funeng@videotron.ca]=20 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:18 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation =20 Dear Serdar, =20 Since your postings on 7 August, I have not seen any response to your questions. While I'm not the expert, I can provide you with what I've = been able to do. I was using MapWindow, which is the functionality = incorporated into BASINS. Using Automatic Watershed Delineation, the DEM layer did = not show up in the dropdown menu. As I understand that MapWindow uses = ArcView ASCII Grid format for DEM data and ArcView Shapefile format for vector = data, I took extra care that my data sets are in (or I believe they are in) = the proper formats. But so far it did not help to fix the Automatic = Watershed Delineation problem.=20 =20 For reasons which I have not been able to determine, the same data sets worked if I were to do it manually step by step, from pit-fill to the = end. But as I was told by the folks at MapWindow that this procedure uses the = old sets of routines, which you have to be very careful in placing the = outlet locations right on the stream grid.=20 =20 With respect to your first post in using the detail stream segment, I = would imagine if your segments are in ArcView Shapefile format, you would be = able to read into BASINS/MapWindow. If you already have the watershed = polygons, wouldn't you be able to use them as is? However, you would probably have = to make sure that they are in ArcView Shapefile format. =20 If PaperPort from Scansoft is also installed on your computer, you might also encounter another problem, as I did when I first started using the recent version of MapWindow, that trying to open a shapefile in the = manual delineation process would trigger the system to install PaperPort, = asking for the installation media. Only when I followed the instructions to = install PaperPort, this problem appeared to have been fixed or have disappeared. =20 So far, I have had some success in using the watershed delineation = manually. However, I am still having problems in working through the step by step Geo-Processing for MWSWAT (MapWindow SWAT), while trying to use the = Tools in MapWindow. The problem was similar to your problem with BASINS, not able = to see the DEM in the dropdown menu. =20 Good luck! Peter Ko =20 _____ =20 From: Serdar G=F6nc=FC [mailto:sgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:36 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation Dear BASINS user =20 When I want to use automatic delineation process for my catchment, I = coudn't choose my DEM layer in Automatic Watershed Delineation window. DEM layer could't see in dropdown menu. When I want to open in folder, I get "That grid layer already exist. It will appear in the drop down list if it is = a valid format." =20 What is the meaning of "valid format". I can see DEM layer in my Project = and I looks like normal. Do I need change layer name or another = modifications.=20 =20 Please help =20 Regards. =20 =20 Serdar =20 ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C8FC6D.910B97B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Basins = users,

I forgot to ask at the before = e-mail.

In the manual delineation, what are funstions of ”Include PCS as Outlets” and “Force = Continuous Flow Parth” options ? Please give some = information

Regards

Serdar

From: = Serdar G=F6nc=FC [mailto:sgoncu@anadolu.edu.tr]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, = 2008 11:18 AM
To: 'Private list for = BASINS users'
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation

Dear Peter and other Basins users = that help me!,

I realized that I nned manual = delineation. As your said, I have already subwatershed polygons and I can use these = polygons (shape file) in manual delineation. But after these event, I try to use = manual delineation and encountered another problem. In manual delineation = process. I could be accepted my subbasin shp file and dem files. I can delineate my subbasins and calculate subbasins parameters. But define stream Network = and Outlets process to be resulted with failure. Program said “Cannot = find field “Level” in the streams layer”. I know that is = the stream branches order. But My stream braches are very complex and made = by STRAHLER ORDER. I think Basins need “Drain Stream Level” = type. How can I convert the stream braches order = type?

You can find in below my screen = capture images.

http://img= 227.imageshack.us/img227/7167/basin1pz2.jpg

http://img1= 44.imageshack.us/img144/645/basin2sa4.jpg

Regards

Serdar

From: Peter = Ko [mailto:funeng@videotron.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 11, = 2008 8:18 PM
To: Private list for = BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] automatic watershed delineation

Dear = Serdar,

Good = luck!

Peter = Ko

Dear BASINS user

What is the meaning of “valid format”. I = can see DEM layer in my Project and I looks like normal. Do I need change layer = name or another modifications.

Please help

Regards.

Serdar

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------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C8FC6D.910B97B0-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 18 X-lyris-Id: 172813 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:14:57 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: RE: HSPF- daily & hourly You can use OPT SEQUENCE Block INDELT parameter, You can choose 1440 min for daily simulation. Regards Serdar -----Original Message----- From: jferrari@al.umces.edu [mailto:jferrari@al.umces.edu] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:00 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF- daily & hourly Hello All, As I understand it, HSPF runs on an hourly basis and you can report output as hourly, daily, etc. Is it possible to run HSPF using daily time steps? Or must it run using hourly time steps? Thanks! Joe Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 19 X-lyris-Id: 172819 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:26:50 +0000 From: Harshad Patel Subject: RE: WDM utility --_e7b26de9-9da1-4603-9244-544b89572fea_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi All=2C =20 I am trying to write imported time series in WDM utility and I encountered = below error message. =20 ---------------------------WDM Data Set Problem---------------------------P= roblem adding data-set number 11 to WDM file C:\test.wdm.WDM:AddTimSer:Id(D= SN) 11 data is not constant interval---------------------------OK -------= -------------------- =20 As i understand=2C the above message means time step of time series is not= constant. I have checked very thoroughly each data interval and nothing fo= und strange. I don't know what is going on. Is anyone have solution of thi= s problem? Pls reply me ASAP. =20 Thanks in advance Harshad Patel _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary=2C a game that tests how many words you can form from the = letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207= --_e7b26de9-9da1-4603-9244-544b89572fea_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =3B
Hi All=2C
=3B
I am trying to write imported time series in WDM utility and =3BI encou= ntered below error message.
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--------------------= -------
Problem adding data-set number 11 to WDM file C:\test.wdm.
WD= M:AddTimSer:Id(DSN) 11 data is not constant interval
-------------------= --------
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= --_e7b26de9-9da1-4603-9244-544b89572fea_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 20 X-lyris-Id: 172845 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:06 -0500 From: "Lian, Yanqing" Subject: BASINS 4.0 experience This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FCB7.230D0A12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope some of you out there could share your experience on BASINS 4.0. I have had problems with delineation and some data downloading. The program became extremely slow after I downloaded DEM and landuse data.=20 =20 So I stick on BASINS 3.0, which has been pretty smooth.=20 =20 Thanks =20 Yanqing Lian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FCB7.230D0A12 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I hope some of you out there could share your = experience on BASINS 4.0. I have had problems with delineation and some data = downloading. The program became extremely slow after I downloaded DEM and landuse data. =

So I stick on BASINS 3.0, which has been pretty smooth. =

Thanks

Yanqing Lian

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FCB7.230D0A12-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 21 X-lyris-Id: 172846 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:11:45 -0600 From: "Matt Hahm" Subject: RE BASINS 4.0 experience I am currently out of the office and will return on August 14. I will reply to your email at that time. Feel free to call the office and talk with Andy Wells in my absence. 262-376-4246 If this is an emergency, please call my cell phone and leave a message 262-385-6031. Matt ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 22 X-lyris-Id: 172848 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:14:28 -0600 From: "Daniel Ames" Subject: Re: BASINS 4.0 experience ------=_Part_41264_3904639.1218572068671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yanqing, I think that all of us on the BASINS project are interested in updating and improving the tools. Would you be willing to share your specific experiences so that we can improve the software? We're working on opening a bug list and discussion forum for BASINS and would appreciate your participation on it. - Dan On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Lian, Yanqing wrote: > I hope some of you out there could share your experience on BASINS 4.0. > I have had problems with delineation and some data downloading. The program > became extremely slow after I downloaded DEM and landuse data. > > > > So I stick on BASINS 3.0, which has been pretty smooth. > > > > Thanks > > > > Yanqing Lian > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > ------=_Part_41264_3904639.1218572068671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Yanqing, I think that all of us on the BASINS project are interested in updating and improving the tools. Would you be willing to share your specific experiences so that we can improve the software? We're working on opening a bug list and discussion forum for BASINS and would appreciate your participation on it. - Dan

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Lian, Yanqing <y-lian@sws.uiuc.edu> wrote:

I hope some of you out there could share your experience on BASINS 4.0. I have had problems with delineation and some data downloading. The program became extremely slow after I downloaded DEM and landuse data.

So I stick on BASINS 3.0, which has been pretty smooth.

Thanks

Yanqing Lian

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------=_Part_41264_3904639.1218572068671-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 23 X-lyris-Id: 172855 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:23:17 -1000 (HST) From: Tieshi Huang Subject: Re: BASINS 4.0 experience I had problems too with PLOAD model of BASINS 4.0. (1) In BASINS 4.0, it looks like the EMC is calculated based on weighted area instead of weighted flow, but the pollutant load is calculated based on weighted flow. In BASINS 3.0, both the EMC and pollutant are calculated based on weighted flow. (2) With the application of BMP, BASINS 4.0 does not give the results expected to be, but BASINS 3.0 matches my expectation. (3) Basins 3.0 can give storm runoff value, but I don't know how to get it from BASINS 4.0. Tim Huang Lian, Yanqing wrote: > I hope some of you out there could share your experience on BASINS 4.0. >I have had problems with delineation and some data downloading. The >program became extremely slow after I downloaded DEM and landuse data. > > > >So I stick on BASINS 3.0, which has been pretty smooth. > > > >Thanks > > > >Yanqing Lian > > >------------------------------------------ >You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > >To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov >OR: >Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your >subscription. >OR >Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov >------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 24 X-lyris-Id: 172895 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:45:51 -0400 From: Carleton.Jim@epamail.epa.gov Subject: water quality modeling workshop Dear BASINS users, This message is to let you know that there is still space available in next month's "Water Quality Modeling to Support Management Actions" workshop, to be held in Baltimore, MD. A brief description of the workshop is as follows: EPA will convene a 1-=BD day water quality modeling workshop in Baltimo= re, Maryland from September 9 to 10. The targeted audience consists of watershed planners, TMDL developers, NPDES permit writers and other water quality modeling practitioners (e.g., consultants and academia). The meeting is being coordinated with a Water Environment Federation (WEF) Total Maximum Daily Load (TMDL) conference scheduled for Septembe= r 11, 2008 in Baltimore, Maryland. The agenda will consist of a mix of technical training sessions on key modeling approaches, presentations o= f relevant case studies, and an open forum of questions and answers in order to develop an approach to meet the practitioner's needs. We will be attentive to those needs that are currently being met or could be by= BASINS, and how future enhancements might be incorporated to meet anticipated needs. The workshop will be held at the University of Maryland School of Nursing in Baltimore, MD located on 655 West Lombard Steet, Baltimore, MD. The workshop is free, but space is limited and prior registration is required. To request space in the workshop, please email Doris Jean Quiring (djquiring@aquaterra.com) at AQUA TERRA Consultants (phone: 650-962-1864). A special room rate is available at a nearby hotel if you register and make your reservation on or before August 18th.= ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 25 X-lyris-Id: 172929 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:38:36 -0400 From: Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com Subject: HSPF BMPRAC question --0__=0ABBFE36DFDCA4AC8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFE36DFDCA4AC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Good morning, If a BMPRAC (ex. BMPRAC 1481) is identified in the OPN SEQUENCE and SCHEMATIC blocks of a UCI file, but the BMPRAC block only addresses BMP= RACs 1 through 273, does HSPF: (1) Ignore BMPRAC 1481 - flow and constituents simply continue downstream without reductions OR (2) Neglect everything upstream of BMPRAC 1481 - no flow or constituents enter the RCH downstream of BMPRAC 1481? I've included an excerpt from the UCI I'm reviewing as a visual aid. Thanks in advance! Liz ***********************************************************************= ****************************************************** from BMPRAC PRINT-INFO *** BMPRAC Printout level flags *** x - x FLOW CONS HEAT SED GQ OXY NUT PLNK PH PIVL PYR 1 273 4 4 4 4 1 12 END PRINT-INFO GEN-INFO *** Name BMP Unit Systems Printer *** BMPRAC Type NCON NGQ t-series Engl Metr *** x - x<------------------> in out 1 273 1 1 2 1 1 0 0 END GEN-INFO SED-FLAG *** BMPRAC Monthly variable flags *** x - x Sand Silt Clay 1 273 0 0 0 END SED-FLAG SED-FRAC *** BMPRAC Removal fractions *** x - x sand silt clay 1 273 0.9 0.9 0.9 END SED-FRAC from SCHEMATIC *** IMPLND 101 2 BMPRAC 148 6 PERLND 101 24 BMPRAC 148 5 IMPLND 102 BMPRAC 148 6 IMPLND 105 10 BMPRAC 148 6 PERLND 104 BMPRAC 148 5 *** RCHRES 151 BMPRAC1481 7 BMPRAC 148 RCHRES 148 4 BMPRAC1481 RCHRES 148 4 ***********************************************************************= ********************************************************** Liz Scheessele, PE, CFM Project Engineer URS Corporation 277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500 Virginia Beach, VA 23452 757-499-4224 ext. 1266 = This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. If you receive this = message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should not ret= ain, distribute, disclose or use any of this information and you should des= troy the e-mail and any attachments or copies. = = = --0__=0ABBFE36DFDCA4AC8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFE36DFDCA4AC Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Good morning,

If a BMPRAC (ex. BMPRAC 1481) is identified in the OPN= SEQUENCE and SCHEMATIC blocks of a UCI file, but the BMPRAC block only= addresses BMPRACs 1 through 273, does HSPF:
(1) Ignore BMPRAC 1481 - flow and constituents simply= continue downstream without reductions
OR
(2) Neglect everything upstream of BMPRAC 1481 - no f= low or constituents enter the RCH downstream of BMPRAC 1481?
=
I've included an excerpt from the UCI I'm reviewing as= a visual aid.
Thanks in advance!
Liz

******************************************************= ***********************************************************************=
from BMPRAC
PRINT-INFO
*** BMPRAC Printout level flags
*** x - x FLOW CONS HEAT SED GQ OXY NUT PLNK P= H PIVL PYR
1 273 4 4 4 4 = 1 12
END PRINT-INFO

GEN-INFO
*** Name BMP Unit S= ystems Printer
*** BMPRAC Type NCON NGQ t-s= eries Engl Metr
*** x - x<------------------> = in out
1 273 1 1 2 = 1 1 0 0
END GEN-INFO

SED-FLAG
*** BMPRAC Monthly variable flags
*** x - x Sand Silt Clay
1 273 0 0 0
END SED-FLAG

SED-FRAC
*** BMPRAC Removal fractions
*** x - x sand silt clay
1 273 0.9 0.9 0.9
END SED-FRAC

from SCHEMATIC
***
IMPLND 101 2 BMPRAC 148 6
PERLND 101 24 BMPRAC 148 5
IMPLND 102 BMPRAC 148= 6
IMPLND 105 10 BMPRAC 148 = 6
PERLND 104 BMPRAC 148 = 5
***
RCHRES 151 BMPRAC1481 7
BMPRAC 148 RCHRES 148 = 4
BMPRAC1481 = RCHRES 148 4
******************************************************= ***********************************************************************= ****

Liz Scheessele, PE, CFM
Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
Virginia Beach, VA 23452
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= --0__=0ABBFE36DFDCA4AC8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFE36DFDCA4AC-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 26 X-lyris-Id: 172931 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:05:05 -0400 From: "Tom Jobes" Subject: RE: HSPF BMPRAC question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FE38.4850B244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liz, =20 If the BMPRAC is properly included in the OPN SEQUENCE block, then all of the input and timeseries connections should happen correctly, including the outflow to the downstream reach. All of the reduction fractions (see e.g. in table SED-FRAC) default to zero, so any BMPRAC without entries in the BMPRAC block will pass inflows unmodified. =20 Note however that some fields in the timeseries and SPEC-ACTIONS blocks do not recognize four-digit operation IDs, although SCHEMATIC does, so it may be necessary to renumber BMPRAC 1481 to three digits it you add references in these blocks. =20 Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 =20 From: Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:39 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF BMPRAC question =20 Good morning, If a BMPRAC (ex. BMPRAC 1481) is identified in the OPN SEQUENCE and SCHEMATIC blocks of a UCI file, but the BMPRAC block only addresses BMPRACs 1 through 273, does HSPF: (1) Ignore BMPRAC 1481 - flow and constituents simply continue downstream without reductions OR (2) Neglect everything upstream of BMPRAC 1481 - no flow or constituents enter the RCH downstream of BMPRAC 1481? I've included an excerpt from the UCI I'm reviewing as a visual aid. Thanks in advance! Liz ************************************************************************ ***************************************************** from BMPRAC PRINT-INFO *** BMPRAC Printout level flags *** x - x FLOW CONS HEAT SED GQ OXY NUT PLNK PH PIVL PYR 1 273 4 4 4 4 1 12 END PRINT-INFO GEN-INFO *** Name BMP Unit Systems Printer *** BMPRAC Type NCON NGQ t-series Engl Metr *** x - x<------------------> in out 1 273 1 1 2 1 1 0 0 END GEN-INFO SED-FLAG *** BMPRAC Monthly variable flags *** x - x Sand Silt Clay 1 273 0 0 0 END SED-FLAG SED-FRAC *** BMPRAC Removal fractions *** x - x sand silt clay 1 273 0.9 0.9 0.9 END SED-FRAC from SCHEMATIC *** IMPLND 101 2 BMPRAC 148 6 PERLND 101 24 BMPRAC 148 5 IMPLND 102 BMPRAC 148 6 IMPLND 105 10 BMPRAC 148 6 PERLND 104 BMPRAC 148 5 *** RCHRES 151 BMPRAC1481 7 BMPRAC 148 RCHRES 148 4 BMPRAC1481 RCHRES 148 4 ************************************************************************ ********************************************************* Liz Scheessele, PE, CFM Project Engineer URS Corporation 277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500 Virginia Beach, VA 23452 757-499-4224 ext. 1266 This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. If you receive this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should not retain, distribute, disclose or use any of this information and you should destroy the e-mail and any attachments or copies.=20 =20 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 =20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FE38.4850B244 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Liz,

If the BMPRAC is properly included in the OPN SEQUENCE = block, then all of the input and timeseries connections should happen = correctly, including the outflow to the downstream reach. All of the = reduction fractions (see e.g. in table SED-FRAC) default to zero, so any BMPRAC = without entries in the BMPRAC block will pass inflows = unmodified.

Note however that some fields in the timeseries and = SPEC-ACTIONS blocks do not recognize four-digit operation IDs, although SCHEMATIC = does, so it may be necessary to renumber BMPRAC 1481 to three digits it you add = references in these blocks.

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

From:= Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF BMPRAC question

Good = morning,

If a BMPRAC (ex. BMPRAC 1481) is = identified in the OPN SEQUENCE and SCHEMATIC blocks of a UCI file, but the BMPRAC = block only addresses BMPRACs 1 through 273, does HSPF:
(1) Ignore BMPRAC 1481 - flow and = constituents simply continue downstream without reductions
OR
(2) Neglect everything upstream of = BMPRAC 1481 - no flow or constituents enter the RCH downstream of BMPRAC = 1481?

I've included an excerpt from the UCI = I'm reviewing as a visual aid.
Thanks in advance!
Liz

**********************************************= *************************************************************************= ******
from BMPRAC
PRINT-INFO
*** BMPRAC Printout level = flags
*** x - x FLOW CONS HEAT SED GQ OXY NUT = PLNK PH PIVL PYR
1 273 4 4 4 4 1 12
END PRINT-INFO

GEN-INFO
*** Name BMP Unit Systems = Printer
*** BMPRAC Type NCON NGQ t-series Engl = Metr
*** x - x<------------------> in = out
1 273 1 1 2 1 1 0 0
END GEN-INFO

SED-FLAG
*** BMPRAC Monthly variable = flags
*** x - x Sand Silt Clay
1 273 0 0 0
END SED-FLAG

SED-FRAC
*** BMPRAC Removal fractions
*** x - x sand silt clay
1 273 0.9 0.9 0.9
END SED-FRAC

from SCHEMATIC
***
IMPLND 101 2 BMPRAC 148 6
PERLND 101 24 BMPRAC 148 5
IMPLND 102 BMPRAC 148 6
IMPLND 105 10 BMPRAC 148 6
PERLND 104 BMPRAC 148 5
***
RCHRES 151 BMPRAC1481 7
BMPRAC 148 RCHRES 148 4
BMPRAC1481 RCHRES 148 4
**********************************************= *************************************************************************= **********

Liz Scheessele, PE, CFM
Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
Virginia Beach, VA 23452
757-499-4224 ext. 1266

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FE38.4850B244-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 27 X-lyris-Id: 172939 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Felker Subject: Basins --0-1515377049-1218749183=:12574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all. I have had to make changes to the delineation of my watershed, and am trying to create an HSPF file with the new subwatershed layer within Basins. However, when I try to do this I get the following error: "An error occurred: GisUtil:LayerIndex:Error:LayerName:L_AUGUGA:IsNotRecognized" "L_AUGUGA" is one of my land use layers. Also, after I press okay about the error, there is an additional L_AUGUGA layer added that wasn't there before. This has also happened with two of my other land use layers, and which one causes the error seems to change randomly. Does anyone know what might be causing this error, or what I could do to fix it? I have also tried removing the layers and adding them again, but this has not helped. Thanks! Lauren --0-1515377049-1218749183=:12574 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hello all.

I have had to make changes to the delineation of my watershed, and am trying to create an HSPF file with the new subwatershed layer within Basins. However, when I try to do this I get the following error:

"An error occurred: GisUtil:LayerIndex:Error:LayerName:L_AUGUGA:IsNotRecognized"

"L_AUGUGA" is one of my land use layers. Also, after I press okay about the error, there is an additional L_AUGUGA layer added that wasn't there before. This has also happened with two of my other land use layers, and which one causes the error seems to change randomly. Does anyone know what might be causing this error, or what I could do to fix it?

I have also tried removing the layers and adding them again, but this has not helped.

Thanks!
Lauren

--0-1515377049-1218749183=:12574-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 28 X-lyris-Id: 172947 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:08:15 -0400 From: "Paul Duda" Subject: RE: Basins This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8FEBE.D5893700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks like a bug that we fixed for the November update. Did you install the November 2007 update? If not, you can get it here: http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/ftp/basins/system/BASINS4/ Or, if you'd rather, you can just change the name of the layer "Land Use auguga" so that it shows up in the MapWindow table of contents as "L_AUGUGA". That is a quick work-around for the problem. Paul Duda AQUA TERRA Consultants -----Original Message----- From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:26 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins Hello all. I have had to make changes to the delineation of my watershed, and am trying to create an HSPF file with the new subwatershed layer within Basins. However, when I try to do this I get the following error: "An error occurred: GisUtil:LayerIndex:Error:LayerName:L_AUGUGA:IsNotRecognized" "L_AUGUGA" is one of my land use layers. Also, after I press okay about the error, there is an additional L_AUGUGA layer added that wasn't there before. This has also happened with two of my other land use layers, and which one causes the error seems to change randomly. Does anyone know what might be causing this error, or what I could do to fix it? I have also tried removing the layers and adding them again, but this has not helped. Thanks! Lauren ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- If this email is spam, report it here: http://www.OnlyMyEmail.com/ReportSpam ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8FEBE.D5893700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This=20 looks like a bug that we fixed for the November update. Did you = install=20 the November 2007 update? If not, you can get it = here:

http:= //www.epa.gov/waterscience/ftp/basins/system/BASINS4/

Or, if=20 you'd rather, you can just change the name of the layer "Land = Use auguga" so that it shows up in the = MapWindow=20 table of contents as "L_AUGUGA". =20 That is a quick work-around for the problem.

Paul=20 Duda

AQUA TERRA=20 Consultants

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Hello all.

I have had to make changes to the delineation = of my=20 watershed, and am trying to create an HSPF file with the new = subwatershed=20 layer within Basins. However, when I try to do this I get the = following=20 error:

"An error occurred:=20 = GisUtil:LayerIndex:Error:LayerName:L_AUGUGA:IsNotRecognized"

"L_AU= GUGA"=20 is one of my land use layers. Also, after I press okay about the = error, there=20 is an additional L_AUGUGA layer added that wasn't there before. This = has also=20 happened with two of my other land use layers, and which one causes = the error=20 seems to change randomly. Does anyone know what might be causing this = error,=20 or what I could do to fix it?

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Thanks for the advice. I already had the November 2007 update installed, so I just changed the name of the layer and that worked.

Thanks again,
Lauren

----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Duda <pbduda@aquaterra.com>
To: Private list for BASINS users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:08:15 AM
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Basins

This looks like a bug that we fixed for the November update. Did you install the November 2007 update? If not, you can get it here:

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/ftp/basins/system/BASINS4/

Or, if you'd rather, you can just change the name of the layer "Land Use auguga" so that it shows up in the MapWindow table of contents as "L_AUGUGA". That is a quick work-around for the problem.

Paul Duda

AQUA TERRA Consultants

-----Original Message-----
From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:26 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins

Hello all.

I have had to make changes to the delineation of my watershed, and am trying to create an HSPF file with the new subwatershed layer within Basins. However, when I try to do this I get the following error:

"An error occurred: GisUtil:LayerIndex:Error:LayerName:L_AUGUGA:IsNotRecognized"

"L_AUGUGA" is one of my land use layers. Also, after I press okay about the error, there is an additional L_AUGUGA layer added that wasn't there before. This has also happened with two of my other land use layers, and which one causes the error seems to change randomly. Does anyone know what might be causing this error, or what I could do to fix it?

I have also tried removing the layers and adding them again, but this has not helped.

Thanks!
Lauren
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--0-1297681940-1218819615=:71685-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 30 X-lyris-Id: 173019 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:10:19 -0400 From: "Dan Tufford" Subject: Archives This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C90144.8AA8EC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see the archives section of the BASINSINFO website has been updated through June 2008. Thanks for that. Does the search engine need a tweak also? Search results only go through 2007, even for searches that I know have 2008 matches (from looking at the monthly text files). Regards, Daniel L. Tufford, Ph.D. University of South Carolina Department of Biological Sciences 209A Sumwalt (office) 701 Sumter St, Room 401 (mail) Columbia, SC 29208 Ph. 803-777-3292, Fx: 803-777-3292 e-mail: tufford@sc.edu web: http://www.biol.sc.edu/~tufford P Please think before you print. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C90144.8AA8EC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I see = the archives section of the BASINSINFO website has been updated through June = 2008. Thanks for that. Does the search engine need a tweak also? Search = results only go through 2007, even for searches that I know have 2008 matches (from = looking at the monthly text files).

Regards,

Daniel = L. Tufford, Ph.D.

University of South Carolina

Department of Biological Sciences

209A Sumwalt = = (office)

701 = Sumter St, Room 401 (mail)

Columbia, SC 29208

Ph. = 803-777-3292, Fx: 803-777-3292

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web: http://www.biol.sc.edu/~tufford

P Please think before you = print.

------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C90144.8AA8EC20-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 31 X-lyris-Id: 173020 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Felker Subject: HSPF Error --0-1692097953-1219093602=:91462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello. Does anyone know what is causing the following error and how to fix it? ******************************************************************************** **** * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 211 42 * * * * The ftable id 'FTABLE , 1' has been found, but has occurred * * before. * * * ******************************************************************************** **** Thanks, Lauren --0-1692097953-1219093602=:91462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hello.

Does anyone know what is causing the following error and how to fix it?

********************************************************************* ***************
*                       &n bsp;            &nbs p;                           &n bsp;            &nbs p;      *
* ERROR/WARNING ID:   211 42                           &n bsp;            &nbs p;             *
*           &n bsp;            &nbs p;                           &n bsp;            &nbs p;                  *
* The ftable id 'FTABLE ,     1' has been found, but has occurred                 *
* before.            & nbsp;            &nb sp;              ;             & nbsp;            &nb sp;       *
*           &n bsp;            &nbs p;                           &n bsp;            &nbs p;                  *
********************************************************************* ***************

Thanks,

Lauren

--0-1692097953-1219093602=:91462-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 32 X-lyris-Id: 173022 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:08:46 -0400 From: Mohamoud.Yusuf@epamail.epa.gov Subject: Re: HSPF Error Lauren, It appears you have two FTABLES that have the same ID Numbers in your UCI file. FTABLES FTABLE 1 rows cols *** 8 4 ................. END FTABLE 1 FTABLE 1 rows cols *** 8 4 ................. END FTABLE 1 Hope this helps. Yusuf Lauren Felker To "Private list for BASINS users" 08/18/2008 05:06 PM cc Subject Please respond [basinsinfo] HSPF Error to "Private list for BASINS users" Hello. Does anyone know what is causing the following error and how to fix it? ******************************************************************************** **** * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 211 42 * * * * The ftable id 'FTABLE , 1' has been found, but has occurred * * before. * * * ******************************************************************************** **** Thanks, Lauren ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 33 X-lyris-Id: 173025 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:38:00 -0400 From: "Jon Butcher" Subject: Re: HSPF Error This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C90172.4E0CEFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This means the program thinks you have two FTABLEs labelled #1. That = may occur because you have the ID # in the wrong column (for instance, = reading FTABLE 11 as FTABLE 1). Jon Butcher ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lauren Felker=20 To: Private list for BASINS users=20 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF Error Hello. Does anyone know what is causing the following error and how to fix = it? = *************************************************************************= *********** * = * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 211 42 = * * = * * The ftable id 'FTABLE , 1' has been found, but has occurred = * * before. = * * = * = *************************************************************************= *********** Thanks, Lauren ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C90172.4E0CEFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This means the program thinks you have = two FTABLEs=20 labelled #1. That may occur because you have the ID # in the wrong = column=20 (for instance, reading FTABLE 11 as FTABLE 1).

Jon Butcher

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 = 5:06=20 PM

Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF = Error

Hello.

Does anyone know what is causing the following = error and=20 how to fix=20 = it?

**************************************************************= **********************
*      &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p; =20 *
* ERROR/WARNING ID:   211 =20 = 42            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 = *
*          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20 *
* The ftable id 'FTABLE = ,     1'=20 has been found, but has=20 = occurred           = ;    =20 *
* =20 = before.           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;=20 = *
*          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20 = *
**************************************************************= **********************

Thanks,

Lauren

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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C90172.4E0CEFE0-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 34 X-lyris-Id: 173031 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:47:30 -0400 From: "Parker, Joseph Michael" Subject: USGS_DailyStreamflow This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9020A.817EC127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all I am having trouble downloading observed stream flow data using the=20 Basins Web Data Download. Does anyone know if there is any data on the=20 Basins download site to be downloaded.=20 I have tried a number of different gauges and Basins tells me the download was successful, but when I open the WDM file their = is no data. Any help will be appreciated Thanks Joseph Parker University of Tennessee =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9020A.817EC127 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable USGS_DailyStreamflow

Hey all

I am having trouble downloading observed stream flow data using the
Basins Web Data Download. Does anyone know if there is any data on = the
Basins download site to be downloaded.
I have tried a number of different gauges and Basins
tells me the download was successful, but when I open the WDM file their = is
no data.

Any help will be appreciated

Thanks
Joseph Parker

University of Tennessee

------_=_NextPart_001_01C9020A.817EC127-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 35 X-lyris-Id: 173044 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:11:15 -0400 From: "Paul Duda" Subject: RE: USGS_DailyStreamflow This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C901F4.AD9D8780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit USGS_DailyStreamflowThe Web Data Download for USGS daily streamflow data appears to be up and running ok. (Actually, it downloads directly from the USGS NWIS site). I suggest sending us a feedback message through the BASINS 4.0 help menu 'Send Feedback', so we can see what version of the components you have installed. Paul Duda AQUA TERRA Consultants -----Original Message----- From: Parker, Joseph Michael [mailto:jparke33@utk.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:48 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] USGS_DailyStreamflow Hey all I am having trouble downloading observed stream flow data using the Basins Web Data Download. Does anyone know if there is any data on the Basins download site to be downloaded. I have tried a number of different gauges and Basins tells me the download was successful, but when I open the WDM file their is no data. Any help will be appreciated Thanks Joseph Parker University of Tennessee ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- If this email is spam, report it here: http://www.OnlyMyEmail.com/ReportSpam ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C901F4.AD9D8780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable USGS_DailyStreamflow

The=20 Web Data Download for USGS daily streamflow data appears to be up and = running=20 ok. (Actually, it downloads directly from the USGS NWIS=20 site). I suggest sending us a feedback message through the BASINS = 4.0 help=20 menu 'Send Feedback', so we can see what version of the components you = have=20 installed.

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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C901F4.AD9D8780-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 36 X-lyris-Id: 173050 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Felker Subject: HSPF & PEST --0-293084927-1219175407=:97918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello. Thanks for the help I got on Ftables. I made an adjustment to the uci file with a text editor, and that seems to have fixed that problem, but now I have another one...I've gotten the following error on several occasions and cannot figure out what is causing it: "HSPF execution terminated with return code 2." It appears when I am using PEST to calibrate my model and occurs every time PEST uses WinHSPFLt to run the model. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give. Lauren --0-293084927-1219175407=:97918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hello.

Thanks for the help I got on Ftables. I made an adjustment to the uci file with a text editor, and that seems to have fixed that problem, but now I have another one...I've gotten the following error on several occasions and cannot figure out what is causing it:

"HSPF execution terminated with return code 2."

It appears when I am using PEST to calibrate my model and occurs every time PEST uses WinHSPFLt to run the model.

Thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
Lauren

--0-293084927-1219175407=:97918-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 37 X-lyris-Id: 173059 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:20:11 -0400 From: "Tom Jobes" Subject: RE: HSPF & PEST This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C902BF.1826FF2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lauren, =20 The MESSU file should end with a message saying why execution failed. There is an error halting the run. =20 Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 =20 From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:50 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF & PEST =20 Hello. Thanks for the help I got on Ftables. I made an adjustment to the uci file with a text editor, and that seems to have fixed that problem, but now I have another one...I've gotten the following error on several occasions and cannot figure out what is causing it: "HSPF execution terminated with return code 2." It appears when I am using PEST to calibrate my model and occurs every time PEST uses WinHSPFLt to run the model. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give. Lauren =20 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 =20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C902BF.1826FF2C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lauren,

The MESSU file should end with a message saying why = execution failed. There is an error halting the run.

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

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C: 386-937-6341

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Hello.

Thanks for the help I got on Ftables. I made an adjustment to the uci = file with a text editor, and that seems to have fixed that problem, but now I have another one...I've gotten the following error on several occasions and = cannot figure out what is causing it:

"HSPF execution terminated with return code 2."

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C902BF.1826FF2C-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 38 X-lyris-Id: 173092 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:23:24 -0400 From: Jonathan Clough Subject: AQUATOX Comes to SETAC A one day short course on AQUATOX will be presented as part of the Society of Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry (SETAC) North America 29th Annual Meeting to be held 16-20 November 2008 at the Tampa Convention Center, Tampa, Florida, USA. http://tampa.setac.org/

The AQUATOX model is linked to the BASINS modeling system. This allows you to take pollutant and nutrient loading predictions from the HSPF or SWAT watershed models and input them directly to AQUATOX to predict their effects on water ecology. AQUATOX is an aquatic ecosystem model that simulates eutrophication, chemical fate, bioaccumulation, and ecotoxicology. It predicts the fate of nutrients, suspended solids, and organic chemicals, and their effects on the ecosystem, including fish, invertebrates, and aquatic plants. (see http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/models/aquatox/ )

The workshop is to be held on Sunday November 16th as detailed here
http://www.setac.org/tampa/students/professional-development.php#5

More details follow (course details may be subject to change):

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Objectives: The objective is to familiarize users of diverse backgrounds with the capabilities of AQUATOX Release 3 distributed by the US EPA for use in a variety of regulatory settings. The model will be compared with a variety of other models used in risk assessment. It provides a detailed overview for those who cannot spare the time or travel expense to attend an EPA-sponsored 3-day workshop. While not hands-on, the course will provide documentation, code, example files, and setup instruction for attendees.

Description:
AQUATOX is a PC-based model for aquatic ecosystems and simulates eutrophication, chemical fate, bioaccumulation, and ecotoxicology. It predicts the fate of nutrients, suspended solids, and organic chemicals, and their effects on the ecosystem, including fish, invertebrates, and aquatic plants. AQUATOX is a tool for ecologists, biologists, water quality modelers, and anyone involved in modeling or performing ecological risk assessments of aquatic ecosystems; it is also used in college courses. Release 3 is being issued by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency?s Office of Science and Technology and is also used by the Office of Pollution Prevention and Toxics and the Office of Pesticide Programs.

The course is a distillation of a three-day comprehensive course offered by the US EPA. The code, example files, and lecture material for the course will be provided on CD. The course will include comparisons with other dynamic ecosystem models used for risk assessment. Examples of applications will cover the impacts of nutrients, sediments, and toxic organics on a variety of ponds, lakes, reservoirs, rivers, and an estuary.

Topics:

Introduction to course, organization
Why AQUATOX? Comparison with other water quality, fate, and effects models
How is AQUATOX used? Overview of user-friendly graphical interface
What are the analytical capabilities? control-perturbed comparisons, process rates, sensitivity analysis, uncertainty analysis
Applications in nutrient criteria: Lake Onondaga NY, MN rivers, Lower Boise River ID, Lake Tenkiller OK
Applications in sediment impacts: Lower Boise River ID, Blue Earth River MN, Cahaba River AL
Applications in fate of organic chemicals: HCB in tank, chlorpyrifos in pond, PCB bioaccumulation in Lake Ontario and Galveston Bay TX
Applications in ecotoxicology: chlorpyrifos and esfenvalerate in farm ponds and streams, dieldrin in Coralville Lake IA, herbicide in Clear Lake CA

Hope to see you there! -- Jonathan Clough
----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 39 X-lyris-Id: 173093 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Felker Subject: Re: HSPF & PEST --0-1773565333-1219265281=:63279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Tom! The MESSU file revealed the source of the error and I was able to resolve it. I also want to mention that I was able to resolve the "not enough water" problem that I was experiencing. I discovered that the gage that I was using to calibrate a reach at the top of my watershed was actually recording flow data for that reach as well as three other reaches beside it. The placement of the gage point on the map of the watershed did not make this apparent by just looking at it in BASINS. But by looking at the land area contributing to the gage as noted on the USGS water data site and comparing it to the area of my reach I discovered that there was a tremendous discrepancy. I was able to make the necessary changes to my delineation to fix this issue and just thought I'd share the resolution of that predicament. Lauren ----- Original Message ---- From: Tom Jobes To: Private list for BASINS users Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:20:11 AM Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] HSPF & PEST Lauren, The MESSU file should end with a message saying why execution failed. There is an error halting the run. Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 From:Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:50 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] HSPF & PEST Hello. Thanks for the help I got on Ftables. I made an adjustment to the uci file with a text editor, and that seems to have fixed that problem, but now I have another one...I've gotten the following error on several occasions and cannot figure out what is causing it: "HSPF execution terminated with return code 2." It appears when I am using PEST to calibrate my model and occurs every time PEST uses WinHSPFLt to run the model. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give. Lauren ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --0-1773565333-1219265281=:63279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thanks Tom! The MESSU file revealed the source of the error and I was able to resolve it.

I also want to mention that I was able to resolve the "not enough water" problem that I was experiencing. I discovered that the gage that I was using to calibrate a reach at the top of my watershed was actually recording flow data for that reach as well as three other reaches beside it. The placement of the gage point on the map of the watershed did not make this apparent by just looking at it in BASINS. But by looking at the land area contributing to the gage as noted on the USGS water data site and comparing it to the area of my reach I discovered that there was a tremendous discrepancy. I was able to make the necessary changes to my delineation to fix this issue and just thought I'd share the resolution of that predicament.

Lauren

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Lauren,

The MESSU file should end with a message saying why execution failed. There is an error halting the run.

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:50 PM
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--0-1773565333-1219265281=:63279-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 40 X-lyris-Id: 173293 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: jferrari@al.umces.edu Subject: SNOW Hello All, I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to observations. ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI? I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't know the proper variable... I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall. Any ideas? Thanks! Joe Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 41 X-lyris-Id: 173296 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:44:10 -0400 From: Kate Flynn Subject: Re: SNOW This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005BF01F852574B2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" When all else fails, there is always the user's manual. A complete list of all 22 of the time series calculated by the snow modules for both PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the HSPF manual. See: Users Control Input Format of the Users Control input Catalog for PERLND module Group SNOW The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm. _______________________ Kate Flynn U.S. Geological Survey Office of Surface Water jferrari@al.umces.edu 08/27/2008 12:14 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject [basinsinfo] SNOW Hello All, I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to observations. ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI? I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't know the proper variable... I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall. Any ideas? Thanks! Joe Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --=_alternative 005BF01F852574B2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
When all else fails, there is always the user's manual. A complete list of all 22 of the time series calculated by the snow modules for both PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the HSPF manual. See:

Users Control Input
Format of the Users Control input
Catalog for PERLND module
Group SNOW

The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm.

_______________________
Kate Flynn
U.S. Geological Survey
Office of Surface Water

jferrari@al.umces.edu

08/27/2008 12:14 PM

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Hello All, I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to observations. ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI? I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't know the proper variable... I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall. Any ideas? Thanks! Joe Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------
--=_alternative 005BF01F852574B2_=-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 42 X-lyris-Id: 173307 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:01:28 -0400 (EDT) From: jferrari@al.umces.edu Subject: Re: SNOW Thanks Kate, Looks like the time series I want is "SNOWF". But it also appears snowfall is output on a PERLND basis, which is not addressed using a COPY block like the other "hydrology calibration" variables specified by WinHSPF. I just ran WinHSPF on a "dummy" UCI to see how WinHSPF would add this (SNOWF) as a calibration variable, so I can use this as guidance to make the mods to my UCI directly. My UCI's are modified from the "standard" form so I can't use WinHSPF directly on my UCIs to make these sorts of changes. Thanks again, Joe > When all else fails, there is always the user's manual. A complete list > of all 22 of the time series calculated by the snow modules for both > PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the > HSPF manual. See: > > Users Control Input > Format of the Users Control input > Catalog for PERLND module > Group SNOW > > The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and > WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on > C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm. > > > _______________________ > Kate Flynn > U.S. Geological Survey > Office of Surface Water > > > > > jferrari@al.umces.edu > 08/27/2008 12:14 PM > Please respond to > "Private list for BASINS users" > > > To > "Private list for BASINS users" > cc > > Subject > [basinsinfo] SNOW > > > > > > > Hello All, > > I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to > observations. ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI? > > I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write > calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining > adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't > know the proper variable... I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for > example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall. Any > ideas? > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > Joseph Ferrari > Faculty Research Assistant > UMCES Appalachian Laboratory > 301 Braddock Road > Frostburg, MD 21532 > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 43 X-lyris-Id: 173311 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:44:43 -0400 From: Kate Flynn Subject: Re: SNOW This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0071F60D852574B2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" All of the time series computed by HSPF are on an individual PERLND, IMPLND, or RCHRES basis.: -- The COPY operation is the mechanism used to sum or average time series. This can be simulated data from multiple PERLND, IMPLND or RCHRES or it could be observed data from various sources. -- The MASS-LINK block is a generic definition of the targets for groups of timeseries. -- The SCHEMATIC block provides the connections between specific PERLND/IMPLND/RCHRES for the groups of timeseries using the definition specified in the MASS-LINK and also defines the area associated with each group. In the MASS-LINK block, you need to add PERLND SNOW SNOWF lines similar to the PERLND PWATER members targeted to COPY. You can add them to the existing MASS-LINK or create a new one. If you add this to the existing MASS-LINK, you don't need to make any changes in the SCHEMATIC, if you create a new MASS-LINK, you need to add records similar to the existing COPYs. In the COPY block, you need to increment the appropriate counter if you added to and existing MASS-LINK or add a new COPY operation if you created a new MASS-LINK block. If you add a new COPY operation, you need to add a COPY to the OPN SEQUENCE block. Do the same for IMPLND. Kate _______________________ Kate Flynn U.S. Geological Survey Office of Surface Water jferrari@al.umces.edu 08/27/2008 04:01 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW Thanks Kate, Looks like the time series I want is "SNOWF". But it also appears snowfall is output on a PERLND basis, which is not addressed using a COPY block like the other "hydrology calibration" variables specified by WinHSPF. I just ran WinHSPF on a "dummy" UCI to see how WinHSPF would add this (SNOWF) as a calibration variable, so I can use this as guidance to make the mods to my UCI directly. My UCI's are modified from the "standard" form so I can't use WinHSPF directly on my UCIs to make these sorts of changes. Thanks again, Joe > When all else fails, there is always the user's manual. A complete list > of all 22 of the time series calculated by the snow modules for both > PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the > HSPF manual. See: > > Users Control Input > Format of the Users Control input > Catalog for PERLND module > Group SNOW > > The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and > WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on > C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm. > > > _______________________ > Kate Flynn > U.S. Geological Survey > Office of Surface Water > > > > > jferrari@al.umces.edu > 08/27/2008 12:14 PM > Please respond to > "Private list for BASINS users" > > > To > "Private list for BASINS users" > cc > > Subject > [basinsinfo] SNOW > > > > > > > Hello All, > > I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to > observations. ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI? > > I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write > calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining > adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't > know the proper variable... I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for > example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall. Any > ideas? > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > Joseph Ferrari > Faculty Research Assistant > UMCES Appalachian Laboratory > 301 Braddock Road > Frostburg, MD 21532 > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --=_alternative 0071F60D852574B2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
All of the time series computed by HSPF are on an individual PERLND, IMPLND, or RCHRES basis.:

-- The COPY operation is the mechanism used to sum or average time series. This can be simulated data from multiple PERLND, IMPLND or RCHRES or it could be observed data from various sources.
-- The MASS-LINK block is a generic definition of the targets for groups of timeseries.
-- The SCHEMATIC block provides the connections between specific PERLND/IMPLND/RCHRES for the groups of timeseries using the definition specified in the MASS-LINK and also defines the area associated with each group.

In the MASS-LINK block, you need to add PERLND SNOW SNOWF lines similar to the PERLND PWATER members targeted to COPY. You can add them to the existing MASS-LINK or create a new one. If you add this to the existing MASS-LINK, you don't need to make any changes in the SCHEMATIC, if you create a new MASS-LINK, you need to add records similar to the existing COPYs. In the COPY block, you need to increment the appropriate counter if you added to and existing MASS-LINK or add a new COPY operation if you created a new MASS-LINK block. If you add a new COPY operation, you need to add a COPY to the OPN SEQUENCE block. Do the same for IMPLND.

Kate

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Kate Flynn
U.S. Geological Survey
Office of Surface Water

jferrari@al.umces.edu

08/27/2008 04:01 PM

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Thanks Kate, Looks like the time series I want is "SNOWF". But it also appears snowfall is output on a PERLND basis, which is not addressed using a COPY block like the other "hydrology calibration" variables specified by WinHSPF. I just ran WinHSPF on a "dummy" UCI to see how WinHSPF would add this (SNOWF) as a calibration variable, so I can use this as guidance to make the mods to my UCI directly. My UCI's are modified from the "standard" form so I can't use WinHSPF directly on my UCIs to make these sorts of changes. Thanks again, Joe > When all else fails, there is always the user's manual. A complete list > of all 22 of the time series calculated by the snow modules for both > PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the > HSPF manual. See: > > Users Control Input > Format of the Users Control input > Catalog for PERLND module > Group SNOW > > The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and > WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on > C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm. > > > _______________________ > Kate Flynn > U.S. Geological Survey > Office of Surface Water > > > > > jferrari@al.umces.edu > 08/27/2008 12:14 PM > Please respond to > "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov> > > > To > "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov> > cc > > Subject > [basinsinfo] SNOW > > > > > > > Hello All, > > I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to > observations. ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI? > > I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write > calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining > adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't > know the proper variable... I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for > example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall. Any > ideas? > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > Joseph Ferrari > Faculty Research Assistant > UMCES Appalachian Laboratory > 301 Braddock Road > Frostburg, MD 21532 > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------
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SNOWF is the amount of snow that 'falls' in each day/interval, in water equivalent.??

When we calibrate SNOW we usually output PDEPTH, which is the snow pack depth on the ground, in inches of snow, and this is usually what we have as observed data, i.e the accumulated depth of snow on the ground.?? In some cases you may have it as water equivalent, but I believe most sites will just have the total depth on the ground.

Hope this helps - its a common problem that?? should be clarified in the documentation.

Tony

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AQUA TERRA Consultants

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Tom Jobes wrote:

Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW
Joe,

It is true that the standard "hydrology calibration" linkage does not handle SNOWF or other snow parameters.

If you are trying to compare area-weighted averages of snow variables like snowfall, pack depth, etc with observed values, you could "piggyback" on the normal hyrology calibration COPY block linkages by adding your desired variables to the PERLND-to-COPY and IMPLND-to-COPY MASS-LINK blocks. Then add EXT TARGETS entries to output the additional variables, and update the number of timeseries links handles by the COPY (in the TIMESERIES table)..

On the other hand, it might be simpler to output the values separately by PERLND and compare the range of values to the observed, especially if you have multiple observed stations.

Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD

Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341

----- Original Message -----
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu <jferrari@al.umces.edu>
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Sent: Wed Aug 27 16:01:28 2008
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW

Thanks Kate,

Looks like the time series I want is "SNOWF".?? But it also appears
snowfall is output on a PERLND basis, which is not addressed using a COPY
block like the other "hydrology calibration" variables specified by
WinHSPF.

I just ran WinHSPF on a "dummy" UCI to see how WinHSPF would add this
(SNOWF) as a calibration variable, so I can use this as guidance to make
the mods to my UCI directly.

My UCI's are modified from the "standard" form so I can't use WinHSPF
directly on my UCIs to make these sorts of changes.

Thanks again,

Joe

> When all else fails, there is always the user's manual.?? A complete list
> of all 22 of the time series calculated by the?? snow modules for both
> PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the
> HSPF manual. See:
>
> Users Control Input
>?????????? Format of the Users Control input
>???????????????????? Catalog for PERLND module
>?????????????????????????????? Group SNOW
>
> The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and
> WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on
> C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm.
>
>
> _______________________
> Kate Flynn
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> Office of Surface Water
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> jferrari@al.umces.edu
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>
> Hello All,
>
> I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to
> observations.?? ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI?
>
> I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write
> calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining
> adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't
> know the proper variable...?? I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for
> example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall.?? Any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
>
> Joseph Ferrari
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----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 46 X-lyris-Id: 173315 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:59:01 -0700 From: Tony Donigian Subject: Re: SNOW Joe -
Looks like the listserver added the '??'?? in the first line - they shouldn't be there.

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Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE

AQUA TERRA Consultants

2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314

Mountain View, CA 94043-1115

650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706

www.aquaterra.com

Tony Donigian wrote:

Joe -
SNOWF is the amount of snow that 'falls' in each day/interval, in water equivalent.??

When we calibrate SNOW we usually output PDEPTH, which is the snow pack depth on the ground, in inches of snow, and this is usually what we have as observed data, i.e the accumulated depth of snow on the ground.?? In some cases you may have it as water equivalent, but I believe most sites will just have the total depth on the ground.

Hope this helps - its a common problem that?? should be clarified in the documentation.

Tony

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Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE

AQUA TERRA Consultants

2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314

Mountain View, CA 94043-1115

650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706

www.aquaterra.com

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Tom Jobes wrote:
Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW
Joe,

It is true that the standard "hydrology calibration" linkage does not handle SNOWF or other snow parameters.

If you are trying to compare area-weighted averages of snow variables like snowfall, pack depth, etc with observed values, you could "piggyback" on the normal hyrology calibration COPY block linkages by adding your desired variables to the PERLND-to-COPY and IMPLND-to-COPY MASS-LINK blocks. Then add EXT TARGETS entries to output the additional variables, and update the number of timeseries links handles by the COPY (in the TIMESERIES table)..

On the other hand, it might be simpler to output the values separately by PERLND and compare the range of values to the observed, especially if you have multiple observed stations.

Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD

Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341

----- Original Message -----
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu <jferrari@al.umces.edu>
To: Private list for BASINS users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Sent: Wed Aug 27 16:01:28 2008
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW

Thanks Kate,

Looks like the time series I want is "SNOWF".?? But it also appears
snowfall is output on a PERLND basis, which is not addressed using a COPY
block like the other "hydrology calibration" variables specified by
WinHSPF.

I just ran WinHSPF on a "dummy" UCI to see how WinHSPF would add this
(SNOWF) as a calibration variable, so I can use this as guidance to make
the mods to my UCI directly.

My UCI's are modified from the "standard" form so I can't use WinHSPF
directly on my UCIs to make these sorts of changes.

Thanks again,

Joe

> When all else fails, there is always the user's manual.?? A complete list
> of all 22 of the time series calculated by the?? snow modules for both
> PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the
> HSPF manual. See:
>
> Users Control Input
>?????????? Format of the Users Control input
>???????????????????? Catalog for PERLND module
>?????????????????????????????? Group SNOW
>
> The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and
> WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on
> C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm.
>
>
> _______________________
> Kate Flynn
> U.S. Geological Survey
> Office of Surface Water
>
>
>
>
> jferrari@al.umces.edu
> 08/27/2008 12:14 PM
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to
> observations.?? ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI?
>
> I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write
> calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining
> adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't
> know the proper variable...?? I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for
> example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall.?? Any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
>
> Joseph Ferrari
> Faculty Research Assistant
> UMCES Appalachian Laboratory
> 301 Braddock Road
> Frostburg, MD 21532
>
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----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 47 X-lyris-Id: 173317 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:38:39 -0400 From: Peter Ko Subject: RE: SNOW This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_LnOVFL9rXWUSaOdZqmx0hw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tony, I do not know how you created your emails, perhaps in your address/signature. There are some ActiveX controls somewhere in your email. Please check so that your emails do NOT contain any ActiveX controls. For security reasons, I prohibit any ActiveX control to be executed from emails. Peter _____ From: Tony Donigian [mailto:donigian@aquaterra.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:59 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW Joe - Looks like the listserver added the '??'?? in the first line - they shouldn't be there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE AQUA TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 www.aquaterra.com ?? Tony Donigian wrote: Joe - SNOWF is the amount of snow that 'falls' in each day/interval, in water equivalent.?? When we calibrate SNOW we usually output PDEPTH, which is the snow pack depth on the ground, in inches of snow, and this is usually what we have as observed data, i.e the accumulated depth of snow on the ground.?? In some cases you may have it as water equivalent, but I believe most sites will just have the total depth on the ground. Hope this helps - its a common problem that?? should be clarified in the documentation. Tony ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE AQUA TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 www.aquaterra.com ?? Tom Jobes wrote: Joe, It is true that the standard "hydrology calibration" linkage does not handle SNOWF or other snow parameters. If you are trying to compare area-weighted averages of snow variables like snowfall, pack depth, etc with observed values, you could "piggyback" on the normal hyrology calibration COPY block linkages by adding your desired variables to the PERLND-to-COPY and IMPLND-to-COPY MASS-LINK blocks. Then add EXT TARGETS entries to output the additional variables, and update the number of timeseries links handles by the COPY (in the TIMESERIES table).. On the other hand, it might be simpler to output the values separately by PERLND and compare the range of values to the observed, especially if you have multiple observed stations. Hope this helps, Tom Jobes SJRWMD Tom Jobes St. Johns River Water Management District Office:386-329-4463 Cell:386-937-6341 ----- Original Message ----- From: jferrari@al.umces.edu To: Private list for BASINS users Sent: Wed Aug 27 16:01:28 2008 Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW Thanks Kate, Looks like the time series I want is "SNOWF".?? But it also appears snowfall is output on a PERLND basis, which is not addressed using a COPY block like the other "hydrology calibration" variables specified by WinHSPF. I just ran WinHSPF on a "dummy" UCI to see how WinHSPF would add this (SNOWF) as a calibration variable, so I can use this as guidance to make the mods to my UCI directly. My UCI's are modified from the "standard" form so I can't use WinHSPF directly on my UCIs to make these sorts of changes. Thanks again, Joe > When all else fails, there is always the user's manual.?? A complete list > of all 22 of the time series calculated by the?? snow modules for both > PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the > HSPF manual. See: > > Users Control Input >?????????? Format of the Users Control input >???????????????????? Catalog for PERLND module >?????????????????????????????? Group SNOW > > The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and > WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on > C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm. > > > _______________________ > Kate Flynn > U.S. Geological Survey > Office of Surface Water > > > > > jferrari@al.umces.edu > 08/27/2008 12:14 PM > Please respond to > "Private list for BASINS users" > > > To > "Private list for BASINS users" > cc > > Subject > [basinsinfo] SNOW > > > > > > > Hello All, > > I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to > observations.?? ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI? > > I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write > calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining > adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't > know the proper variable...?? I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for > example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall.?? Any > ideas? > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > Joseph Ferrari > Faculty Research Assistant > UMCES Appalachian Laboratory > 301 Braddock Road > Frostburg, MD 21532 > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. 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Tony,

I do not know how you created your emails, perhaps in your address/signature. There are some ActiveX controls somewhere in your email. Please check so that your emails do NOT contain any ActiveX controls. For security reasons, I prohibit any ActiveX control to be executed from emails.

Peter

From: Tony Donigian [mailto:donigian@aquaterra.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:59 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW

Joe -
Looks like the listserver added the '??'?? in the first line - they shouldn't be there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE

AQUA TERRA Consultants

2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314

Mountain View, CA 94043-1115

650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706

www.aquaterra.com

Tony Donigian wrote:

Joe -
SNOWF is the amount of snow that 'falls' in each day/interval, in water equivalent.??

When we calibrate SNOW we usually output PDEPTH, which is the snow pack depth on the ground, in inches of snow, and this is usually what we have as observed data, i.e the accumulated depth of snow on the ground.?? In some cases you may have it as water equivalent, but I believe most sites will just have the total depth on the ground.

Hope this helps - its a common problem that?? should be clarified in the documentation.

Tony

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE

AQUA TERRA Consultants

2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314

Mountain View, CA 94043-1115

650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706

www.aquaterra.com

??

Tom Jobes wrote:
Joe,

It is true that the standard "hydrology calibration" linkage does not handle SNOWF or other snow parameters.

If you are trying to compare area-weighted averages of snow variables like snowfall, pack depth, etc with observed values, you could "piggyback" on the normal hyrology calibration COPY block linkages by adding your desired variables to the PERLND-to-COPY and IMPLND-to-COPY MASS-LINK blocks. Then add EXT TARGETS entries to output the additional variables, and update the number of timeseries links handles by the COPY (in the TIMESERIES table)..

On the other hand, it might be simpler to output the values separately by PERLND and compare the range of values to the observed, especially if you have multiple observed stations.

Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD

Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341

----- Original Message -----
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu <jferrari@al.umces.edu>
To: Private list for BASINS users <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Sent: Wed Aug 27 16:01:28 2008
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] SNOW

Thanks Kate,

Looks like the time series I want is "SNOWF".?? But it also appears
snowfall is output on a PERLND basis, which is not addressed using a COPY
block like the other "hydrology calibration" variables specified by
WinHSPF.

I just ran WinHSPF on a "dummy" UCI to see how WinHSPF would add this
(SNOWF) as a calibration variable, so I can use this as guidance to make
the mods to my UCI directly.

My UCI's are modified from the "standard" form so I can't use WinHSPF
directly on my UCIs to make these sorts of changes.

Thanks again,

Joe

> When all else fails, there is always the user's manual.?? A complete list
> of all 22 of the time series calculated by the?? snow modules for both
> PERLND and IMPLND is contained in the Time Series Catalog section of the
> HSPF manual. See:
>
> Users Control Input
>?????????? Format of the Users Control input
>???????????????????? Catalog for PERLND module
>?????????????????????????????? Group SNOW
>
> The manual can be accessed from under the Help menu in WinHSPF and
> WinHSPFLt or can be opened directly by clicking on
> C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm.
>
>
> _______________________
> Kate Flynn
> U.S. Geological Survey
> Office of Surface Water
>
>
>
>
> jferrari@al.umces.edu
> 08/27/2008 12:14 PM
> Please respond to
> "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
>
>
& gt; To
> "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
> cc
>
> Subject
> [basinsinfo] SNOW
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I'd like to write simulated snow fall to my WDM to compare to
> observations.?? ANyone know how to do that directly in the UCI?
>
> I have my COPY, SCHEMATIC and EXT TARGETS blocks set up to write
> calibration flows (such as SURO, IFWO, AGWO, etc.) and I'm imagining
> adding snow (simulated snow) to the list would be simple, I just don't
> know the proper variable...?? I know SURO = simulated surface runoff (for
> example), but I don't know what HSPF variable = simulated snow fall.?? Any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
>
> Joseph Ferrari
> Faculty Research Assistant
> UMCES Appalachian Laboratory
> 301 Braddock Road
> Frostburg, MD 21532
>
>
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