{ 1998/07/23 TIME: 15-00 , Thu. 105TH SENATE, SECOND SESSION}

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           THE SENATOR FROM OREGON.

{15:00:10 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR HAS 40 SEJDS SMITHS SMITHS I
           THANK THE SENATOR FROM.

{15:00:14 NSP} (MR. SMITH) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. SMITH: I THANK THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS. I JOIN THE
           SPIRIT OF THIS ISSUE TO RESOLVE A SITUATION I TRULY BELIEVE IS
           BROKEN. IF WE DON'T SUCCEED IN THIS WE ARE GOING TO SAY WE ARE
           CONTENT WITH THE STATUS QUO. THE STATUS QUO IS UNACCEPTABLE.
           THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY,
           THERE OUGHT TO BE A WAY IN WHICH THEY CAN BE HERE LEGALLY TO DO
           THIS WORK THEY WANT TO DO, WE NEED THEM TO DO, IN ORDER TO
           AVOID A SERIOUS CRIES SINCE ON THE AMERICAN FARM. SO I ASK MY
           COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. IT IS HISTORIC. IT IS

{15:00:47} (MR. SMITH) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           IMPORTANT. BUT IT IS ALSO A WORK IN PROGRESS. BUT THIS BILL
           REPRESENTS PROGRESS. I THANK THE PRESIDENT AND YIELD THE FLOOR.

{15:00:58 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: ALL TIME IS EXPIRED. THE QUESTION IS ON

{15:01:00 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE KENNEDY SECOND-DEGREE AMENDMENT. MR. GREGG: MR. PRESIDENT?

{15:01:04 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE.

{15:01:07 NSP} (MR. KENNEDY) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. KENNEDY: MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK THAT THE UNDERLYING AMENDMENT
           BE MODIFIED WITH OUR AMENDMENT. I GUESS THAT CAN BE ONLY -- I
           WOULD ASK CONSENT THAT IT BE SO DONE.

{15:01:16 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST. IS THERE
           OBJECTION?
           HEARING NONE SO ORDERED.

{15:01:21 NSP} (MR. KENNEDY) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. KENNEDY: AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MR. PRESIDENT, THE PROBABLY.
           THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA AND MASSACHUSETTS HAVE BEEN
           INCLUDED IN THE UNDERLYING AMENDMENT?

{15:01:26 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR IS CORRECT.

{15:01:28 NSP} (MR. KENNEDY) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. KENNEDY: I THANK THE CHAIR. MR. GREGG: MR. PRESIDENT?

{15:01:33 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE.

{15:01:37 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: FOR THE INFORMATION OF OUR MEMBERS WE WILL VOTE TO
           ON THIS AMENDMENT AND PROCEED TO FINAL PASSAGE AT
           
           APPROXIMATELY 3:30. MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD SEND TO THE DESK A
           COLLOQUY AND ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT IT BE INCLUDED IN THE
           RECORD.

{15:01:48 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION.

{15:01:58 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD SEND TO THE DESK ON BEHALF OF
           SENATOR SPECTER A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT TO THE CRAIG AMENDMENT
           32361 AND ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT IT BE AGREED TO.

{15:02:27 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE CLERK WILL REPORT.

{15:02:32 NSP} (THE CLERK) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE CLERK: --

{15:02:36 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE AMENDMENT THAT
           WAS AGREED TO YESTERDAY IS MODIFIED.

{15:02:43 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: MR. PRESIDENT, I MAKE A POINT OF ORDER THAT A QUORUM
           IS NOT PRESENT.

{15:02:48 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.
           
           
           
           QUORUM CALL:

{15:04:17 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: MR. PRESIDENT?

{15:04:21 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE.

{15:04:24 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: I ASK PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE QUORUM CALL BE SET
           ASIDE.

{15:04:26 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

{15:04:28 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: MR. PRESIDENT, WHILE I AM WAITING I WOULD LIKE TO
           TAKE A MOMENT BECAUSE WE ARE HOPEFULLY GOING TO MOVE TO FINAL
           PASSAGE ON THE VOTE ON THE SMITH AMENDMENT IS TAKEN CARE OF. I
           WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK THE EXTRAORDINARILY HARD
           WORK THAT THE STAFF OF BOTH COMMITTEES WITH EXTRAORDINARILY
           HARD WORK HE THEY HAVE PUT INTO THIS, BOTH THE MAJORITY STAFF
           AND MINORITY STAFF SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS BRINGING THIS BILL
           FORWARD. IT IS A COMPLICATED BILL. WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY SPENT THE

{15:05:00} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           LAST THREE DAYS -- FOUR DAYS, ALMOST -- WORKING ON IT. WE HAVE
           SEEN A LOT OF AMENDMENT THAT A LITTLE MORE THAN INTRICATE
           THOUGHT WENT INTO. IT IS A FAIRLY COMPLEX MATRIX OF I SHALL
           URGSE AND COULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLY MANAGED WITHOUT THE
           STRONG AND PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE
           STAFF. I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SPECIFICALLY THANK THE FORMER
           MINORITY CLERK SCOTT GUDES WHO MOVED ON BUT WHOSE WORK ON THIS

{15:05:34} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           WAS EXTRAORDINARY. HIS REPLACE. LILA HELMS HAS BEEN A GREAT
           ADDITION AND HAS CARRIED ON SCOTT'S EXCEPTIONAL WORK, AND EMILY
           EAST AND DERRICK GORE HAVE ALSO BEEN GREAT ASSETS I AM SURE TO
           THE MINORITY AND TO THE MAJORITY AS A RESULT OF THEIR EFFORTS.
           ON MY OWN STAFF, COUNTLESS HOURS HAVE BEEN PUT IN, HE
           ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK JIM MORHART, CLERK OF THE COMMITTEE, I
           DON'T THINK HE HAS SEEN HIS FAMILY OR ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN
           THE INSIDE OF THESE WALLS FOR DAYS OR WEEKS AND I APPRECIATE

{15:06:07} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           VERY MUCH HIS EFFORTS AND THE EB PERFECT TEASE HE BROUGHT TO
           THIS. ALONG WITH THIS PROFESSIONAL STAFF OF PATTY LINK, KEVIN
           LYNN SKI, CARL TRUSTSCOTT AND DAVID QUALM AND HAVE BEEN
           EXTRAORDINARY. CHRIS BIK LETTER, JACK COON I OF MY STAFF AND
           VIRGINIA WILBERT WHO IS AN INTERN EXTRAORDINARY NATURE HAVE NOT
           ONLY PUT THEIR OAR IN AND AGGRESSIVELY ROAD THIS BOAT TO SHORE

{15:06:40} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           AND WE HOPE IT WILL ARRIVE SOON. SO IT REALLY IS A TEAM EFFORT
           AND WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY STRONG TEAM, A TEAM MADE UP OF CAL
           RIPKEN'S AND KEN GRIFFY'S AND I THANK THEM FOR THEIR TIME AND
           EFFORT. I WOULD NOTE THAT THAT I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT THE
           DEMOCRATIC LEADER IS WILLING
           
           TO PROCEED WITH A VOTE AT 3:15 P.M., SO WE WILL BEGIN VOTING

{15:07:12 NSP} (MR. HOLLINGS) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           ON THE SMITH AMENDMENT AT 3:15 P.M. MR. HOLLINGS: MR. PRESIDENT?

{15:07:17 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA.

{15:07:25 NSP} (MR. HOLLINGS) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. HOLLINGS: LET ME THANK CHAIRMAN GREGG IN THE FIRST
           INSTANCE. I HAVE HAD OCCASION TO HANDLE SEVERAL BILLS MYSELF.
           HAVE WATCHED IT FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND SEVERAL SENATORS ON OUR
           SIDE OF THE AISLE HAVE REMARKED ALONG WITH ME IN THE BACK OF
           THE CLOAKROOM THAT THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN A BILL THAT WAS BETTER
           MANAGED AND THAT SENATOR GREGG HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB
           WHICH I WANT TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD. AS THE DISTINGUISHED
           SENATOR STATED, THE STAFFS ON BOTH SIDES HAVE DONE JUST AN
           OUTSTANDING JOB. THEY WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK. I NEVER SEEN

{15:07:56} (MR. HOLLINGS) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THIS MANY AMENDMENTS ACTUALLY MOVE IN THIS SHORT A TIME. AND IT
           COULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE OF COURSE WITHOUT THE FOLKS HERE RIGHT
           AT THE FRONT DESK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. LET ME THANK JIM
           MORHART SHALL KEVIN LYNN SKI, PATTY LINK, CARL TRUSTSCOTT,
           DAVID QUALM AND VIRGINIA WILL BOUGHT. OF THE MAJORITY STAFF AND
           EMILY EAST AND DERRICK GORE. AS SENATOR GREGG POINTED OUT, LILA

{15:08:36} (MR. HOLLINGS) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           CAME IN TO REPLACE SCOTT GOODS. WHICH IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. HE
           IS AS GOOD AS THERE EVER WAS. BUT SHE ALREADY BROUGHT THAT
           STATEMENT INTO CONTEST. SHE AND HE WILLLY EAST AND DERRICK HERE
           HAVE BEEN WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK AND DOING A GREAT JOB. I AM
           GLAD THAT THE SENATOR FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE NOTES THIS FOR THE
           RECORD, BECAUSE TOO OFTEN WE FORGET THAT WE COULDN'T HANDLE

{15:09:10} (MR. HOLLINGS) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THIS BILL WITHOUT LULA AND MARTY AND GARY. ON OUR SIDE OF THE
           AISLE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

{15:09:28 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE
           MANAGERS AMENDMENTS BE IN ORDER NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT
           THEY MAY AMEND LANGUAGE ALREADY AMENDED.

{15:09:36 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: DWROUKS, SO ORDERED.

{15:09:40 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: I SEND A LIST OF AMENDMENTS CLEARED ON BOTH MANAGERS
           ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND SENATOR HOLLINGS. I ASK THEY BE
           CONSIDERED EN BLOC THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THESE BE LAID UPON
           THE TABLE.

{15:09:52 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. THE CLERK
           WILL REPORT. CLERK THE SENATOR FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE, MR. GREGG,
           FOR HIMSELF AND MR. HOLLINGS, PROPOSES AN AMENDMENT NUMBERED
           3284.

{15:10:01 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: I RENEW MY UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST.

{15:10:04 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

{15:10:08 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: I ALSO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE KIND COMMENTS,
           OBVIOUSLY, OF THE SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. THIS BILL HAS
           BEEN A FAIRLY COMPLICATED EXERCISE, BUT ITS MOVEMENT IS
           ENTIRELY TIED TO THE FACT THAT THE SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA
           BRINGS TO THIS FLOOR EXTRAORDINARY EXPERTISE AND
           PROFESSIONALISM. HE IS A JOY TO WORK WITH, BECAUSE HIS
           KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO MOVE THINGS AROUND HERE IS SECOND TO NONE
           AND HIS HISTORY AS TO WHERE SOME. ISSUES LIE IS EQUALLY
           DRAMATIC. SO I HAVE GREATLY APPRECIATED THE CHANCE TO WORK WITH

{15:10:38} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           HIM. I THANK HIM FOR ALL HIS SUPPORT AND EFFORT. THIS HAS BEEN
           A BILL THAT HAS MOVED FORWARD AS A RESULT OF THE THE SENATOR
           FROM SOUTH CAROLINA'S STRONG SUPPORT.

{15:10:49 NSP} (MR. HOLLINGS) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. HOLLINGS: I THINK OUR MANAGERS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN ADOPTED?
           I MOVE TO RECONSIDER.

{15:10:55 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: I MOVE TO LAY IT ON THE TABLE.

{15:11:00 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

{15:11:03 NSP} (MR. HOLLINGS) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. HOLLINGS: MR. PRESIDENT, I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM.

{15:11:08 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.

{15:11:25 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: MR. PRESIDENT?

{15:11:29 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE.

{15:11:31 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: I ASK THAT FURTHER PROCEEDINGS UNDER THE QUORUM CALL
           BE SET ASIDE.

{15:11:33 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

{15:11:35 NSP} (MR. GREGG) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           MR. GREGG: I ASK UNANIMOUS
           
           CONSENT THAT AT 3:15 WE BEGIN THE VOTE ON THE SMITH AMENDMENT
           FOLLOWED BY THE VOTE ON FINAL PASSAGE.

{15:11:55 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT
           
           OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.

{15:12:25} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

{15:12:35 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.
           
           
           
           QUORUM CALL:
           
{END: 1998/07/23 TIME: 15-15 , Thu.  105TH SENATE, SECOND SESSION}

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