592	JEANNETTE INQUIRY.
Q. Do you know of any other occasion. If so, name the time and place and state who were present.—A. I have no accurate knowledge.
Q. Then, in point of fact, all you have to support your statement that Mr. Collins was unable to take photographs properly is what you have stated in relation to the bear scene, is it not ?—A. No, sir; it is not.
Q. Well, what else ?—A. Mr. Collins came to me on this previous occasion before the bear hunt. He had attempted to take a picture. I cannot specify day and date. He had taken plates and could not develop them. He came to me and asked about a developer, and I said "Is there not a developer with the plates; did they not give you a formula for mixing a developer?" and I sent him back to look for it.
told him, "Now you look well; open each package and you may find a developer there." 1 said to him, "Did you ask Bradly & Rulofson to give you a developer?" and he did not remember it. . i 'said, "Open every box of plates and see if there is a memorandum of a formula there," and he came back and told me there was none, and I said, "The best thing we can do is to take the developer for the Beachy plates and for the American emulsion process, and see if we cannot hit on one by experimenting," and be and I experimented a long while in mixing material for developing that plate. We did not succeed.
Q. Then both you and he did not succeed because of the absence of a developer?—A. Yes, sir.
Q. And did he not complain to you that the reasons why he did not develop the negative was because of the absence of the proper developer ?—A. No, sir.
Q. Was not that a fact?—A. The fact was he overlooked it in San Francisco.
Q. Did he tell you he overlooked it ?—A. I do not know whether he said it iu those words. I asked him if he spoke to Bradly & Rulofson about it, and be did not seem to have any knowledge of the absence of the developer. It is fair to him to say that he expected simply to ex-pose the plates and bring them back to the United States to have them developed. But that was not what the captain wanted. There is no use of simply exposing plates. You have to get the proper time in getting the exposure, and an immense amount of chemicals was prepared so that we could mix the developers and see what we were doing, how we were progressing; but the key-note to the whole thing was gone, so to speak.
Q. Have you any other information or light to throw on that subject to justify your statement of the other day that Mr. Collins was Incompetent as a photographerf—A. Mr. Collins showed complete ignorance of the subject to me.
Q. I do not want your general observations ; I do not want your judgment or conclusion ; I do not want your argument. I want facts. Now, you have given the fact of the bear scene. You have given-the fact of the interview that took place, as you alleged, between Mr. Collins and yourself, and the failure of both of you to develop the negative and the reason for it—the absence of the developer. I do not want any conclusions of yours. I want any other fact within your knowledge.—A. The fact within my knowledge is that Collins demonstrated to me fully that he knew nothing of the subject, and I submit to the committee if that is not the correct answer.
Mr. CURTIS. No, sir; I want a fact, not what he demonstrated to you as your conclusions.
The CHAIRMAN. What is it you want"?
Mr. CURTIS. I asked him to state a time and place when Mr. Collins