Here are the messages between 20081101 and 20081130. 1. Re: DET error 2. SWAT output 3. Re: DET error 4. GenScn runtime error 28 5. Re: GenScn runtime error 28 6. RE: GenScn runtime error 28 7. PEST error 8. Re: DET error 9. RE: basinsinfo digest: November 07, 2008 10. RE: DET error 11. Re: DET error 12. Online Data for HSPF model 13. BOD in HSPF - mystery 14. RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery 15. MASS-LINK question 16. RE: MASS-LINK question 17. Local land use for HSPF 18. Use a different DEM 19. PSTEMP Soil Temperature 20. WinHSPFLt Error 21. Re: WinHSPFLt Error 22. RE: WinHSPFLt Error 23. RE: Use a different DEM 24. RE: Use a different DEM 25. RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery 26. Re: BOD in HSPF - mystery 27. RE: Use a different DEM 28. RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery 29. RE: Use a different DEM 30. RE: Use a different DEM 31. Available Data and Metadata 32. Re: Available Data and Metadata 33. RE: Available Data and Metadata 34. Filling in missing data in wdm 35. computed and observed met data 36. computed and observed met data ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 1 X-lyris-Id: 175558 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:50:14 -0500 From: Tom Jobes Subject: Re: DET error U2FyYWgsDQoNClRoaXMgZXJyb3IgaXMgbm90IChkaXJlY3RseSkgYSBwcm9ibGVtIHdpdGggdGhl IHdheSB5b3UgZWRpdGVkIGF0dHJpYnV0ZSBmaWVsZHMgaW4gQXJjSHlkcm8uICBJdCBhcHBlYXJz IHRoYXQgeW91ciBGVEFCTEUgaXMgbWFsZm9ybWVkLCBob3dldmVyLiAgRG8geW91IGhhdmUgY29u c2VjdXRpdmUgcm93cyB3aXRoIHRoZSBzYW1lIHZvbHVtZSBhbmQgZGlzY2hhcmdlIHZhbHVlcz8N Cg0KSWYgc28sIEkgZG9uJ3Qga25vdyB0aGUgZGV0YWlscyBvZiBob3cgc3VjaCBhbiBGVEFCTEUg bWlnaHQgcmVzdWx0IGZyb20geW91ciBBcmNIeWRybyBjb3ZlcmFnZSwgYnV0IEkgZG9uJ3QgYmVs aWV2ZSB0aGUgbGlua2FnZSBhdHRyaWJ1dGVzIHdvdWxkIGJlIGludm9sdmVkLg0KDQpIb3BlIHRo aXMgaGVscHMsDQpUb20gSm9iZXMNClNKUldNRA0KDQpUb20gSm9iZXMNClN0LiBKb2hucyBSaXZl ciBXYXRlciBNYW5hZ2VtZW50IERpc3RyaWN0DQpPZmZpY2U6Mzg2LTMyOS00NDYzDQpDZWxsOjM4 Ni05MzctNjM0MQ0KDQoNCi0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IFNhcmFo IFByYXNraWV2aWN6IDxzcHJhc2tpZUBnbWFpbC5jb20+DQpUbzogUHJpdmF0ZSBsaXN0IGZvciBC QVNJTlMgdXNlcnMgPGJhc2luc2luZm9AbGlzdHMuZXBhLmdvdj4NClNlbnQ6IEZyaSBPY3QgMzEg MjA6MTI6MDMgMjAwOA0KU3ViamVjdDogW2Jhc2luc2luZm9dIERFVCBlcnJvcg0KDQpIZWxsbyBl dmVyeW9uZSwNCg0KVGhhbmsgeW91IHZlcnkgbXVjaCB0byBUb20gZm9yIGhlbHBpbmcgbWUgc29s dmUgbXkgV0RNIHByb2JsZW0uICBJIHNob3J0ZW5lZCB0aGUgZmlsZSBwYXRoIGFuZCBub3cgdGhl IFdETXMgYXJlIHJlYWRpbmcgZmluZS4NCg0KTm93IEkgaGF2ZSBhIG5ldyBwcm9ibGVtLiAgSSBo YXZlIHN1YmJhc2luIGFuZCBkcmFpbmFnZSBsaW5lIGxheWVycyBjcmVhdGVkIGZyb20gYSB3YXRl cnNoZWQgZGVsaW5lYXRpb24gaW4gQXJjSHlkcm8gdGhhdCBJIHdvdWxkIGxpa2UgdG8gdXNlIGZv ciBteSBiYXNpbiBib3VuZGFyaWVzIGFuZCBzdHJlYW0gcmVhY2hlcyBpbiBIU1BGLiAgSSBlZGl0 ZWQgdGhlIGRyYWluYWdlIGxpbmUgYXR0cmlidXRlIHRhYmxlIHNvIHRoYXQgaXQgaGFzIGZpZWxk cyBmb3IgTGVuZ3RoLCBMSU5LTk8sIGFuZCBEU0xJTktOTy4gIElzIHRoZXJlIHNvbWV0aGluZyBl bHNlIEkgbmVlZCB0byBkbyB0byBtYWtlIHRoaXMgbGF5ZXIgcmVhZHkgdG8gdXNlIGFzIGEgc291 cmNlIG9mIHJlYWNoZXMgaW4gSFNQRj8gIEkgYXNrIGJlY2F1c2UsIHdoZW4gSSBhdHRlbXB0IHRv IHJ1biBIU1BGIHVzaW5nIHRoaXMgbGF5ZXIsIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgZXJyb3IgbWVzc2FnZSBh cHBlYXJzOg0KDQoqICBFUlJPUi9XQVJOSU5HIElEOiAgIDM0MSAgIDEgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICBEQVRFL1RJTUU6IDE5NzIvIDEvIDcgIDE6IDAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICBSQ0hSRVM6ICAgICAxICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICBUaGUgZGV0ZXJtaW5hbnQgREVULCB1c2VkIHRvIHNvbHZl IHRoZSBzaW11bHRhbmVvdXMgbGluZWFyIGVxdWF0aW9ucyBpbiAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICBzdWJy b3V0aW5lIFNPTFZFLCBpcyB6ZXJvLiAgSXQgd2lsbCBiZSByZXNldCB0byAwLjAwMSBhbmQgcHJv Z3JhbSB3aWxsICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICBhdHRlbXB0IHRvIGNvbnRpbnVlIGV4ZWN1dGlvbiwg dW5sZXNzIHRoZSBtYXhpbXVtIGNvdW50IGZvciB0aGlzIGVycm9yICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICBo YXMgYmVlbiByZWFjaGVkLiAgUmVsZXZhbnQgZGF0YSBhcmU6ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAq ICAgICAgICAgIFYxICAgICAgICAgVjIgICAgICAgUk9EMSAgICAgICBST0QyICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoNCiAqICA0LjI2NzZFKzA4IDQuMjY3NkUrMDggMy42 NDE5RSswNSAzLjY0MTlFKzA1ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICoN Cg0KSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IHdoZXJlIHRoaXMgREVUIGRldGVybWluYW50IGlzIG9yIGhvdyB0byBl ZGl0IGl0LiAgQ2FuIGFueW9uZSBoZWxwPw0KDQpUaGFua3MgaW4gYWR2YW5jZSwgYW5kIEhhcHB5 IEhhbGxvd2VlbiENCg0KVGhhbmtzLA0KU2FyYWggUHJhc2tpZXZpY3oNClBvcnRsYW5kIFN0YXRl IFVuaXZlcnNpdHkNCkRlcGFydG1lbnQgb2YgR2VvZ3JhcGh5DQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0NCllvdSBhcmUgY3VycmVudGx5IHN1YnNjcmliZWQgdG8g dGhlIGJhc2luc2luZm8gbGlzdHNlcnZlci4NCg0KVG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIHNlbmQgdGhlIHdv cmRzIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIGJhc2luc2luZm8gdG8gbHlyaXNAbGlzdHMuZXBhLmdvdg0KT1I6DQpV c2UgdGhlIGxpc3RzZXJ2ZXIncyB3ZWIgaW50ZXJmYWNlIGF0IGh0dHBzOi8vbGlzdHMuZXBhLmdv di9jZ2ktYmluL2x5cmlzLnBsIHRvIG1hbmFnZSB5b3VyDQpzdWJzY3JpcHRpb24uDQpPUg0KQ29u dGFjdCB0aGUgYmFzaW5zaW5mbyBsaXN0c2VydmVyIG93bmVyIGF0IGJhc2luc2luZm8tT3duZXJA bGlzdHMuZXBhLmdvdg0KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t DQo= ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 2 X-lyris-Id: 175596 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:50:13 -0500 From: "Sam Channa" Subject: SWAT output ------=_Part_15471_12562471.1225741813239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear BASINS user I model sediment using SWAT model in BASINS 3.1, most of flowin and flowout values in the rch table are equal 0 ( see the attached files), this means there is no baseflow from groundwater. Could anybody give me some insight in regard with that and anyway how to fix it? Thanks Channa ------=_Part_15471_12562471.1225741813239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Dear BASINS user
 
I model sediment using SWAT model in BASINS 3.1, most of flowin and flowout values in the rch table are equal 0 ( see the attached files), this means there is no baseflow from groundwater.
Could anybody give me some insight in regard with that and anyway how to fix it?
 
Thanks
 
Channa
------=_Part_15471_12562471.1225741813239-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 3 X-lyris-Id: 175614 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:52:44 -0400 From: "Jon Butcher" Subject: Re: DET error This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C93BA3.012CA1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the = same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate = into the FTable to find the outflow demand. Check the FTable; the = volumes should increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sarah Praskievicz=20 To: Private list for BASINS users=20 Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] DET error Hello everyone, Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem. I = shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine. Now I have a new problem. I have subbasin and drainage line layers = created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to = use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF. I edited the = drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, = and DSLINKNO. Is there something else I need to do to make this layer = ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF? I ask because, when I = attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message = appears: * ERROR/WARNING ID: 341 1 = * * = * * DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7 1: 0 = * * = * * RCHRES: 1 = * * = * * The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear = equations in * * subroutine SOLVE, is zero. It will be reset to 0.001 and program = will * * attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this = error * * has been reached. Relevant data are: = * * = * * V1 V2 ROD1 ROD2 = * * 4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05 = * I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it. Can = anyone help? Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween! Thanks, Sarah Praskievicz Portland State University=20 Department of Geography ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C93BA3.012CA1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which = two=20 successive lines have the same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the = solver can't=20 interpolate into the FTable to find the outflow demand.  Check the = FTable;=20 the volumes should increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra = Tech
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sarah = Praskievicz
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 = 9:12=20 PM
Subject: [basinsinfo] DET = error

Hello everyone,
 
Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM = problem.  I=20 shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.
 
Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin = and drainage=20 line layers created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that = I would=20 like to use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.  = I edited=20 the drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length, = LINKNO,=20 and DSLINKNO.  Is there something else I need to do to make this = layer=20 ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?  I ask because, when = I=20 attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message=20 appears:
 
*  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341  =20 = 1            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 = *
 *          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20 *
 *  DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7  1:=20 = 0            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20 = *
 *          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20 *
 *  RCHRES:    =20 = 1            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;     =20 = *
 *          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20 *
 *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous = linear=20 equations in        =20 *
 *  subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset = to 0.001=20 and program will          = *
 *  attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum = count for=20 this error         =20 *
 *  has been reached.  Relevant data=20 = are:           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;      =20 = *
 *          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20 *
 *         =20 V1        =20 V2      =20 ROD1      =20 = ROD2           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;=20 *
 *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05=20 = 3.6419E+05          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ; =20 *
 
I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit = it.  Can=20 anyone help?
 
Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!
 
Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of = Geography
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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C93BA3.012CA1A0-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 4 X-lyris-Id: 175621 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:01:53 -0500 From: Kavya P Kasturi Subject: GenScn runtime error 28 Hi, I have been using Basins/HSPF/GenScn for a few months without any major problems. Yesterday I tried to view my output in GenScn and I got the following error: "Run-time error '28': Out of stack space". I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the entire Basins suite a few times but this did not fix the problem. I have also tried downloading and using the version of GenScn available on the USGS website and I can open GenScn; however, when trying to select a location at which to view output, the program crashes. I am running Vista Business. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem with GenScn? Thank you. Kavya P Kasturi kpk129@email.unc.edu ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 5 X-lyris-Id: 175626 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:51:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mansoor A Baloch Subject: Re: GenScn runtime error 28 --0-200398307-1225849877=:40851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Kayva I am also using Vista Business and have been unable to run GenScn on my computer. I am getting the same message. I tried installing different versions of BASINS but it just does not work. I dont know whether its just a compatibility issue with Vista or something else. I gave up and not using BASINS on my laptop anymore. I hope somebody has a solution to this problem. Thanks Mansoor Baloch --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Kavya P Kasturi wrote: From: Kavya P Kasturi Subject: [basinsinfo] GenScn runtime error 28 To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:01 PM Hi, I have been using Basins/HSPF/GenScn for a few months without any major problems. Yesterday I tried to view my output in GenScn and I got the following error: "Run-time error '28': Out of stack space". I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the entire Basins suite a few times but this did not fix the problem. I have also tried downloading and using the version of GenScn available on the USGS website and I can open GenScn; however, when trying to select a location at which to view output, the program crashes. I am running Vista Business. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem with GenScn? Thank you. Kavya P Kasturi kpk129@email.unc.edu ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --0-200398307-1225849877=:40851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Kayva

I am also using Vista Business and have been unable to run GenScn on my computer. I am getting the same message. I tried installing different versions of BASINS but it just does not work. I dont know whether its just a compatibility issue with Vista or something else. I gave up and not using BASINS on my laptop anymore. I hope somebody has a solution to this problem.

Thanks

Mansoor Baloch

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Kavya P Kasturi <kpk129@email.unc.edu> wrote:
From: Kavya P Kasturi <kpk129@email.unc.edu>
Subject: [basinsinfo] GenScn runtime error 28
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:01 PM

Hi,

I have been using
 Basins/HSPF/GenScn for a few months without any major
problems. Yesterday I 
tried to view my output in GenScn and I got the following
error: "Run-time 
error '28': Out of stack space". I tried
uninstalling and reinstalling the 
entire Basins suite a few times but this did
not fix the problem. I have 
also tried downloading and using the version of
GenScn available on the USGS 
website and I can open GenScn; however, when trying
to select a location at 
which to view output, the program crashes. I am running
Vista Business. Does 
anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem 
with
GenScn?

Thank you.

Kavya P 
Kasturi
kpk129@email.unc.edu

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--0-200398307-1225849877=:40851-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 6 X-lyris-Id: 175627 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:49:24 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: RE: GenScn runtime error 28 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C93F2B.CBB39F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using Windows XP 64 bit edition and I couldN't use BASINS program on it. But I researched some alternatives. Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 program may be useful to prevent these type errors. I installed Windows xp 32 bit edition with using virtual PC program and also installed BASINS. Program appearing working fine and also GenSCN is working. May be you should try this. Regards Dr. Serdar GONCU Anadolu University TURKEY _____ From: Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:51 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] GenScn runtime error 28 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C93F2B.CBB39F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m using Windows XP 64 bit = edition and I couldN’t use BASINS program on it. But I researched some = alternatives.

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 program = may be useful to prevent these type errors. I installed Windows xp 32 bit = edition with using virtual PC program and also installed = BASINS.

Program appearing working fine and = also GenSCN is working.

 

May be you should try this. = Regards

 

 

Dr. Serdar GONCU

 

=

Anadolu University = TURKEY

 

=

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Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] = GenScn runtime error 28

 

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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C93F2B.CBB39F60-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 7 X-lyris-Id: 175724 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: Lauren Felker Subject: PEST error --0-431002088-1226073314=:50043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all. I am attempting to run PEST and am getting the following error: Model command line: batch 432 260 model.bat Running model .....'batch' is not recognized as an internal or external command operable program or batch file. ****************************************************************************** Error condition prevents continued PEST execution:- Cannot open model output file model.out. ****************************************************************************** Does anyone know what is causing this error? Running model.bat alone does not result in any errors, and the file model.out appears to be fine. Also, PEST runs just fine when I run it from HSPF, so I don't understand. Thanks for your help! Lauren --0-431002088-1226073314=:50043 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello all.

I am attempting to run PEST and am getting the following error:

Model command line:
batch 432 260 model.bat

Running model .....'batch' is not recognized as an internal or external command
operable program or batch file.

******************************************************************* ***********
Error condition prevents continued PEST execution:-

Cannot open model output file model.out.
****************************************************************** ************

Does anyone know what is causing this error? Running model.bat alone does not result in any errors, and the file model.out appears to be fine. Also, PEST runs just fine when I run it from HSPF, so I don't understand.

Thanks for your help!
Lauren


--0-431002088-1226073314=:50043-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 8 X-lyris-Id: 175762 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:18:47 -0800 From: "Sarah Praskievicz" Subject: Re: DET error ------=_Part_69973_18315108.1226096327576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses. I think you're right about the problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble all along. I really don't understand what the values in these tables should be. It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error. Here is an example of one of my FTables: Depth (ft) Area (acres) Volume (acre-ft) Outflow1 (ft3/s) 0 44.55 0 0 0.2 45 9.08 29.68 2.03 49.08 94.9 1369.53 2.53 50.22 120.07 1985.32 3.17 151.22 214.96 2560.87 3.8 154.05 311.66 4691.82 65.25 429.12 18229.42 2006827 126.7 704.18 53049.55 8484344 Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone? What values can I try that might work? Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid? Thank you for help. I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project! Thanks, Sarah Praskievicz Portland State University Department of Geography On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher wrote: > I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the > same or nearly the same (V1=V2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the > FTable to find the outflow demand. Check the FTable; the volumes should > increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech > Sarah, This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute fields in ArcHydro. It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however. Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values? If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from your ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would be involved. Hope this helps, Tom Jobes SJRWMD Tom Jobes St. Johns River Water Management District Office:386-329-4463 Cell:386-937-6341 > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Sarah Praskievicz > *To:* Private list for BASINS users > *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM > *Subject:* [basinsinfo] DET error > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem. I > shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine. > > Now I have a new problem. I have subbasin and drainage line layers created > from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for my > basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF. I edited the drainage line > attribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO. Is > there something else I need to do to make this layer ready to use as a > source of reaches in HSPF? I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF using > this layer, the following error message appears: > > * ERROR/WARNING ID: 341 > 1 * > * > * > * DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7 1: > 0 * > * > * > * RCHRES: > 1 * > * > * > * The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear equations > in * > * subroutine SOLVE, is zero. It will be reset to 0.001 and program > will * > * attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this > error * > * has been reached. Relevant data > are: * > * > * > * V1 V2 ROD1 > ROD2 * > * 4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 > 3.6419E+05 * > > I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it. Can anyone > help? > > Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween! > > Thanks, > Sarah Praskievicz > Portland State University > Department of Geography > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > ------=_Part_69973_18315108.1226096327576 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hello everyone,
 
Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.  I think you're rig= ht about the problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving= me trouble all along.  I really don't understand what the values = in these tables should be.  It seems that no matter what values I ente= r, I can't hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a= 341 error.  Here is an example of one of my FTables:
 
Depth (ft)  Area (acres)  Volume (acre-ft)  Outflow1 (f= t3/s)
0          &nbs= p;  44.55          &= nbsp;   0         &n= bsp;            = ;       0
0.2     = ;      45       = ;        9.08    &nb= sp;            =          29.68
2.03  &= nbsp;       49.08    &nbs= p;      94.9      &n= bsp;            = ;  1369.53
2.53           50.22 = ;       120.07    &n= bsp;            = ;    1985.32
3.17      &nbs= p;    151.22        214.9= 6            &n= bsp;       2560.87
3.8   &n= bsp;        154.05   &nbs= p;     311.66       =              46= 91.82
65.25          429.12=           18229.42  =           2006827
126.7          704.18 &nb= sp;        53049.55   &nb= sp;       8484344

Do these values leap= out as obviously wrong to anyone?  What values can I try that mi= ght work?  Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a functi= onal FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid?
 
Thank you for help.  I really hope I can resolve this FTable prob= lem so that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project!
 
Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of Geography
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher <jo3n@email.msn.com= > wrote:
I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in whic= h two successive lines have the same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the= solver can't interpolate into the FTable to find the outflow demand.&n= bsp; Check the FTable; the volumes should increase unimodally. - Jon Butche= r, Tetra Tech
 
Sarah,
This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribu= te fields in ArcHydro.  It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, howe= ver.  Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge = values?
If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result= from your ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attribute= s would be involved.
Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD
Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-3= 29-4463
Cell:386-937-6341
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 = PM
Subject: [basinsinfo] DET error

Hello everyone,
 
Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.  = I shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.
 
Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin and drainage= line layers created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I w= ould like to use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF.  = I edited the drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length= , LINKNO, and DSLINKNO.  Is there something else I need to do to make = this layer ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?  I ask because= , when I attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message = appears:
 
*  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   1  &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =              *<= br> *           = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;        *
 *  DATE/TIME= : 1972/ 1/ 7  1: 0        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;      *
 *           &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        *
 *  RCHRES: = ;    1         =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =         *
 *   &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;   *
 *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear eq= uations in         *
 *&nbs= p; subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset to 0.001 and program w= ill          *
 * = ; attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this error&nb= sp;         *
 *  has been reached.  Relevant data are:   &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  *
 *         =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;          *
 * = ;         V1    = ;     V2       ROD1 =       ROD2      &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     *
 *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05   =             &nb= sp;            =          *
 
I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it. = ; Can anyone help?
 
Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!
 
Thanks,
Sarah Praskievicz
Portland State University
Department of Geography
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------=_Part_69973_18315108.1226096327576-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 9 X-lyris-Id: 175780 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:55:13 -0500 From: "Diz, Harry R" Subject: RE: basinsinfo digest: November 07, 2008 Rick Diz, Ph.D., PE, =20 Chair, Dept of Environmental Science & Engineering Gannon University, Erie, PA 16541 http://www.gannon.edu/departmental/env/default.asp=20 (814) 871-7633 (o) Office: Zurn Science Center Rm 424 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Private list for BASINS users digest [mailto:basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov]=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:01 AM To: basinsinfo digest recipients Subject: basinsinfo digest: November 07, 2008 BASINSINFO Digest for Friday, November 07, 2008. 1. PEST error 2. Re: DET error ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: PEST error From: Lauren Felker Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:55:14 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 1 Hello all.=20 I am attempting to run PEST and am getting the following error: Model command line: batch 432 260 model.bat Running model .....'batch' is not recognized as an internal or external command operable program or batch file. ************************************************************************ ****** Error condition prevents continued PEST execution:- Cannot open model output file model.out. ************************************************************************ ****** Does anyone know what is causing this error? Running model.bat alone does not result in any errors, and the file model.out appears to be fine. Also, PEST runs just fine when I run it from HSPF, so I don't understand.=20 Thanks for your help! Lauren =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DET error From: "Sarah Praskievicz" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:18:47 -0800 X-Message-Number: 2 Hello everyone, Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses. I think you're right about the problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble all along. I really don't understand what the values in these tables should be. It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error. Here is an example of one of my FTables: Depth (ft) Area (acres) Volume (acre-ft) Outflow1 (ft3/s) 0 44.55 0 0 0.2 45 9.08 29.68 2.03 49.08 94.9 1369.53 2.53 50.22 120.07 1985.32 3.17 151.22 214.96 2560.87 3.8 154.05 311.66 4691.82 65.25 429.12 18229.42 2006827 126.7 704.18 53049.55 8484344 Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone? What values can I try that might work? Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid? Thank you for help. I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project! Thanks, Sarah Praskievicz Portland State University Department of Geography On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher wrote: > I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the > same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the > FTable to find the outflow demand. Check the FTable; the volumes should > increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech > Sarah, This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute fields in ArcHydro. It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however. Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values? If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from your ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would be involved. Hope this helps, Tom Jobes SJRWMD Tom Jobes St. Johns River Water Management District Office:386-329-4463 Cell:386-937-6341 > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Sarah Praskievicz > *To:* Private list for BASINS users > *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM > *Subject:* [basinsinfo] DET error > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem. I > shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine. > > Now I have a new problem. I have subbasin and drainage line layers created > from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for my > basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF. I edited the drainage line > attribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO. Is > there something else I need to do to make this layer ready to use as a > source of reaches in HSPF? I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF using > this layer, the following error message appears: > > * ERROR/WARNING ID: 341 > 1 * > * > * > * DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7 1: > 0 * > * > * > * RCHRES: > 1 * > * > * > * The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear equations > in * > * subroutine SOLVE, is zero. It will be reset to 0.001 and program > will * > * attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this > error * > * has been reached. Relevant data > are: * > * > * > * V1 V2 ROD1 > ROD2 * > * 4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 > 3.6419E+05 * > > I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it. Can anyone > help? > > Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween! > > Thanks, > Sarah Praskievicz > Portland State University > Department of Geography > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > --- END OF DIGEST You are currently subscribed to basinsinfo as: DIZ@gannon.edu To unsubscribe, send a blank email to leave-844674-462921H@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. For problems with this list, contact basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov --- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 10 X-lyris-Id: 175782 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:41:06 -0500 From: Tom Jobes Subject: RE: DET error --_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A15751613MAILSVRsjrwmd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sarah, The thing that jumps out at me is the large jump in discharge between the = second and third rows. Try inserting some intermediate rows. I would firs= t plot the depth-volume and depth-discharge curves to see if a quadratic or= other non-linear interpolation would be a better fit than drawing straight= lines. E.g. if you put in a line for depth=3D1.6 approx midway between th= em, you might find that a discharge of somewhat less than halfway to 1370 = looks like a better fit to the curve. I would probably also omit the last = two lines from the analysis, as the curves can be different for channel vs = overbank. Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 From: Sarah Praskievicz [mailto:spraskie@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:19 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] DET error Hello everyone, Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses. I think you're right about the p= roblem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble all al= ong. I really don't understand what the values in these tables should be. = It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't hit that magic combin= ation that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error. Here is an example of o= ne of my FTables: Depth (ft) Area (acres) Volume (acre-ft) Outflow1 (ft3/s) 0 44.55 0 0 0.2 45 9.08 29.68 2.03 49.08 94.9 1369.53 2.53 50.22 120.07 1985.32 3.17 151.22 214.96 2560.87 3.8 154.05 311.66 4691.82 65.25 429.12 18229.42 2006827 126.7 704.18 53049.55 8484344 Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone? What values can I t= ry that might work? Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a f= unctional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid? Thank you for help. I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so tha= t I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project! Thanks, Sarah Praskievicz Portland State University Department of Geography On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher > wrote: I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the same = or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the FT= able to find the outflow demand. Check the FTable; the volumes should incr= ease unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech Sarah, This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute fi= elds in ArcHydro. It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however. Do y= ou have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values? If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from you= r ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would be in= volved. Hope this helps, Tom Jobes SJRWMD Tom Jobes St. Johns River Water Management District Office:386-329-4463 Cell:386-937-6341 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Praskievicz To: Private list for BASINS users Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] DET error Hello everyone, Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem. I shortene= d the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine. Now I have a new problem. I have subbasin and drainage line layers created= from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for my b= asin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF. I edited the drainage line att= ribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO. Is th= ere something else I need to do to make this layer ready to use as a source= of reaches in HSPF? I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF using this = layer, the following error message appears: * ERROR/WARNING ID: 341 1 = * * = * * DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7 1: 0 = * * = * * RCHRES: 1 = * * = * * The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear equations in= * * subroutine SOLVE, is zero. It will be reset to 0.001 and program will = * * attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this error = * * has been reached. Relevant data are: = * * = * * V1 V2 ROD1 ROD2 = * * 4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05 = * I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it. 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Sarah,

 

The thing that  jumps out at me is the large jump in discharge between the second and third rows.  Try inserting some intermediate rows.  I would first plot the depth-volume and depth-disc= harge curves to see if a quadratic or other non-linear interpolation would be a better fit than drawing straight lines.  E.g. if you put in a line for= depth=3D1.6 approx midway between them, you  might find that a discharge of somewh= at less than halfway to 1370 looks like a better fit to the curve.  I wou= ld probably also omit the last two lines from the analysis, as the curves can = be different for channel vs overbank.

 

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

 

From: Sarah Praskie= vicz [mailto:spraskie@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:19 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] DET error

 

Hello everyone,

 

Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses.  I thin= k you're right about the problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble all along.  I really don't understand what the value= s in these tables should be.  It seems that no matter what values I enter, = I can't hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error.  Here is an example of one of my FTables:

 

Depth (ft)  Area (acres)  Volume (acre-ft)  Outflow1 (ft3/s)
0             44.55           &nbs= p;  0            &n= bsp;            = ;    0
0.2           45            &= nbsp;  9.08            = ;            &n= bsp; 29.68
2.03          49.08           94.9            = ;         1369.53
2.53           50.22        120.07  &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;     1985.32
3.17           151.22        214.96           &nb= sp;        2560.87
3.8            154.05         311.66           &nb= sp;        4691.82
65.25          429.12          18229.42            2006827
126.7          704.18          53049.55           8484344

Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone?  What values ca= n I try that might work?  Alternatively, could someone send me an exa= mple of a functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid?

 

Thank you for help.  I really hope I can resolve = this FTable problem so that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project= !

 

Thanks,

Sarah Praskievicz

Portland State University

Department of Geography

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher <jo3n@email.msn.com> wrote:

I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the same or nearly the same (V1=3DV2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the FTabl= e to find the outflow demand.  Check the FTable; the volumes should increas= e unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech

 

Sarah,

This error is not (directly) a problem with the way yo= u edited attribute fields in ArcHydro.  It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however.  Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume= and discharge values?

If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE = might result from your ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attribu= tes would be involved.

Hope this helps,
Tom Jobes
SJRWMD

Tom Jobes
St. Johns River Water Management District
Office:386-329-4463
Cell:386-937-6341

----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah Praskievicz <= /o:p>

Sent: Friday, Octobe= r 31, 2008 9:12 PM

Subject: [basinsinfo] D= ET error

 

Hello everyone,

 

Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem.  I shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine.=

 

Now I have a new problem.  I have subbasin and drainage line layers created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for my basin boundaries and stream reache= s in HSPF.  I edited the drainage line attribute table so that it has field= s for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO.  Is there something else I need to d= o to make this layer ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF?  I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message appears:

 

*  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   1            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;   *
 *           &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        *
 *  DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7  1: 0            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;   *
 *           &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        *
 *  RCHRES:     1            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;    *
 *           &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        *
 *  The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear equations in         *
 *  subroutine SOLVE, is zero.  It will be reset to 0.001 an= d program will          *
 *  attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for t= his error          *
 *  has been reached.  Relevant data are:            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;      *
 *           &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        *
 *          V1         V2       ROD1     &n= bsp; ROD2            = ;            &n= bsp;            *
 *  4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05           = ;            &n= bsp;            = ; *

 

I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to e= dit it.  Can anyone help?

 

Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween!

 

Thanks,

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Portland State University

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--_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A15751613MAILSVRsjrwmd_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 11 X-lyris-Id: 175801 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:16:02 -0500 From: Mohamoud.Yusuf@epamail.epa.gov Subject: Re: DET error Sarah, Ftable headings do not usually have units. Delete the units and align the columns to avoid formatting errors. Yusuf Mohamoud Ph.D., P.E. Research Hydrologist Ecosystems Research Division 960 College Station Road Athens, Georgia 30605 Tel 706-355-8109 Fax 706-355-8104 "Sarah Praskievicz" "Private list for BASINS users" 11/07/2008 05:18 cc PM Subject Re: [basinsinfo] DET error Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" Hello everyone,] Thanks to Tom and Jon for your responses. I think you're right about the problem being with my FTables, because they've been giving me trouble all along. I really don't understand what the values in these tables should be. It seems that no matter what values I enter, I can't hit that magic combination that allows HSPF to run without a 341 error. Here is an example of one of my FTables: Depth (ft) Area (acres) Volume (acre-ft) Outflow1 (ft3/s) 0 44.55 0 0 0.2 45 9.08 29.68 2.03 49.08 94.9 1369.53 2.53 50.22 120.07 1985.32 3.17 151.22 214.96 2560.87 3.8 154.05 311.66 4691.82 65.25 429.12 18229.42 2006827 126.7 704.18 53049.55 8484344 Do these values leap out as obviously wrong to anyone? What values can I try that might work? Alternatively, could someone send me an example of a functional FTable so I can better understand what kind of values are valid? Thank you for help. I really hope I can resolve this FTable problem so that I can run HSPF error-free and get on with my project! Thanks, Sarah Praskievicz Portland State University Department of Geography On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Jon Butcher wrote: I think RCHRES 1 has an FTable in which two successive lines have the same or nearly the same (V1=V2); thus the solver can't interpolate into the FTable to find the outflow demand. Check the FTable; the volumes should increase unimodally. - Jon Butcher, Tetra Tech Sarah, This error is not (directly) a problem with the way you edited attribute fields in ArcHydro. It appears that your FTABLE is malformed, however. Do you have consecutive rows with the same volume and discharge values? If so, I don't know the details of how such an FTABLE might result from your ArcHydro coverage, but I don't believe the linkage attributes would be involved. Hope this helps, Tom Jobes SJRWMD Tom Jobes St. Johns River Water Management District Office:386-329-4463 Cell:386-937-6341 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Praskievicz To: Private list for BASINS users. Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] DET error Hello everyone, Thank you very much to Tom for helping me solve my WDM problem. I shortened the file path and now the WDMs are reading fine. Now I have a new problem. I have subbasin and drainage line layers created from a watershed delineation in ArcHydro that I would like to use for my basin boundaries and stream reaches in HSPF. I edited the drainage line attribute table so that it has fields for Length, LINKNO, and DSLINKNO. Is there something else I need to do to make this layer ready to use as a source of reaches in HSPF? I ask because, when I attempt to run HSPF using this layer, the following error message appears: * ERROR/WARNING ID: 341 1 * * * * DATE/TIME: 1972/ 1/ 7 1: 0 * * * * RCHRES: 1 * * * * The determinant DET, used to solve the simultaneous linear equations in * * subroutine SOLVE, is zero. It will be reset to 0.001 and program will * * attempt to continue execution, unless the maximum count for this error * * has been reached. Relevant data are: * * * * V1 V2 ROD1 ROD2 * * 4.2676E+08 4.2676E+08 3.6419E+05 3.6419E+05 * I don't know where this DET determinant is or how to edit it. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance, and Happy Halloween! Thanks, Sarah Praskievicz, Portland State University Department of Geography ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. 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Best wishes, Derrick _________________________________________________________________ --_f4574c8d-f6cc-416a-ac81-6b7cebd28f5e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all,
 
As I am working on a flooding project, I try to use the HSPF model to estimate the predicted flooding area. I download the data from the Basins - download data, and try to use it in the HSPF. However, after I download several kinds of data, such as  NHDinGeo and etc, I still cannot find a suitable one to use it on the HPSF model. I want to know which the suitable online subbasin, stream and land use data will be.
 
Thx for reading my message.
 
Best wishes,
 
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?Q?PMSN Buddy???p?F???\?hd?H ???[MSN Buddy???????I --_f4574c8d-f6cc-416a-ac81-6b7cebd28f5e_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 13 X-lyris-Id: 175882 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:39:03 -0500 From: Biswarup Guha Subject: BOD in HSPF - mystery --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF74164E3F2252shelterhydroq_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. = The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha= ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone = could share his/her thoughts. Here's what I am doing: I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-= water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl= ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD= ) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl= ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature = correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).= For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b= enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay= , 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,= 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.= I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou= nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-= 5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost. I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.= It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco= unted for. Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights? Thanks, Roop. ________________________________ This electronic message, and any attachments transmitted with it, may conta= in privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended to be viewed = only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized= review, use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is = strictly prohibited. --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF74164E3F2252shelterhydroq_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = all,
 
I a= m having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. The= equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am havin= g difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone could share his/her thoughts.
 
Her= e's what I am doing:
 
I a= ssumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-wat= er and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the = flow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However= , HSPF is calculating values close to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay ra= te (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD se= ttling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, bentha= l oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay= , 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,= 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the VOL and conver= ted the mass to concentration which accounted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I= do not understand where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.
 
I t= ried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25. It= increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unaccount= ed for.
 
Am = I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?
 
Tha= nks,
Roo= p.

This electronic message, and= any attachments transmitted with it, may contain privileged and/or confide= ntial information. It is intended to be viewed only by the individual or en= tity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is = strictly prohibited.
 --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF74164E3F2252shelterhydroq_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 14 X-lyris-Id: 175888 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:04:05 -0500 From: Tom Jobes Subject: RE: BOD in HSPF - mystery --_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A15751647MAILSVRsjrwmd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roop, Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentration with the actu= al instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a fraction of the= algae concentration as well. It seems to me that would actually make your= problem worse, not better. The first thing I'd look at is your assumption that most of the flow is bas= eflow. Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to confirm. Also, compar= e the baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface c= oncentration, to see if there is some sort of dilution. Finally, look not = just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass terms= , so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your reach. Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery Hi all, I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. = The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha= ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone = could share his/her thoughts. Here's what I am doing: I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-= water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl= ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD= ) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl= ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature = correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).= For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b= enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay= , 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,= 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.= I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou= nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-= 5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost. I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.= It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco= unted for. Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights? Thanks, Roop. ________________________________ This electronic message, and any attachments transmitted with it, may conta= in privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended to be viewed = only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized= review, use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is = strictly prohibited. ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go= v OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.p= l to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A15751647MAILSVRsjrwmd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Roop,

 

Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentratio= n with the actual instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a fraction of the algae concentration as well.  It seems to me that woul= d actually make your problem worse, not better.

 

The first thing I’d look at is your assumption that mo= st of the flow is baseflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to confirm.  Also, compare the baseflow concentration with the interflow = and the effective surface concentration, to see if there is some sort of diluti= on.  Finally, look not just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outf= lows in mass terms, so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your re= ach.

 

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

 

From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

 

Hi all,

 

I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. Th= e equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am having difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone could share his/her thoughts.

 

Here's what I am doing:

 

I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-wa= ter and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the flo= w is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD)= in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values close to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitri= fication, 5 - phytoplankton, 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accounted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understa= nd where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.

 

I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25. I= t increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unaccounte= d for.

 

Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?=

 

Thanks,

Roop.

 

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--_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A15751647MAILSVRsjrwmd_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 15 X-lyris-Id: 175935 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:44:12 -0600 From: "Rahim, Mustafa" Subject: MASS-LINK question --_000_5973FF702D942347837871E2BA794C81011566AF7Ezeusswsuiuced_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I would like to tell my model that the sediment loading from the land surfa= ce is assumed to consist of 10% sand, 35% silt and 55% clay for some PERLAN= D and 5% sand, 55%silt and 40% clay. How can I tell the MASS-LINK that part= of land surface will take the fraction from set A (10% sand, 35% silt and = 55%) and rest will take from set B (5% sand, 55%silt and 40%). If its same = fraction for all watershed then its simple, but what is the best way to han= dle this type of situation? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks a lot. Mustafa Rahim --_000_5973FF702D942347837871E2BA794C81011566AF7Ezeusswsuiuced_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi=20 everybody,

 

I would like to tell my model that the sediment lo= ading=20 from the land surface is assumed to consist of 10% sand, 35% silt and 55% c= lay=20 for some PERLAND and 5% sand, 55%silt and 40% clay. How can I tell the MASS= -LINK=20 that part of land surface will take the fraction from set A (10% sand, 35% = silt=20 and 55%) and rest will take from set B (5% sand, 55%silt and 40%). If its s= ame=20 fraction for all watershed then its simple, but what is the best way to han= dle=20 this type of situation? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks a=20 lot.

 
Mustafa Rahim
 
--_000_5973FF702D942347837871E2BA794C81011566AF7Ezeusswsuiuced_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 16 X-lyris-Id: 175936 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:55:18 -0500 From: Tom Jobes Subject: RE: MASS-LINK question --_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A1575165CMAILSVRsjrwmd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mustafa, This is pretty simple. Set up separate MASS-LINK blocks for each group of = PERLNDs. If you have adsorbed water quality constituents, you might want = to adjust the multipliers for their sand-silt-clay fractions as well, though not necessarily using th= e same fractions - typically a lower fraction for sand, or even zero; and h= igher for clay. Then in the SCHEMATIC block, set the appropriate MASS-LINK number for each = type of PERLND. There's nothing magical about the convention of PERLND=3D1= , IMPLND=3D2, RCHRES=3D3, etc. for MASS-LINK numbers. Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 From: Rahim, Mustafa [mailto:rahim@illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:44 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] MASS-LINK question Hi everybody, I would like to tell my model that the sediment loading from the land surfa= ce is assumed to consist of 10% sand, 35% silt and 55% clay for some PERLAN= D and 5% sand, 55%silt and 40% clay. How can I tell the MASS-LINK that part= of land surface will take the fraction from set A (10% sand, 35% silt and = 55%) and rest will take from set B (5% sand, 55%silt and 40%). If its same = fraction for all watershed then its simple, but what is the best way to han= dle this type of situation? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks a lot. Mustafa Rahim ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go= v OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.p= l to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ --_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A1575165CMAILSVRsjrwmd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mustafa,

 

This is pretty simple.  Set up separate MASS-LINK block= s for each group of PERLNDs.   If you have adsorbed water quality constituents, you might want to adjust the multipliers

for their sand-silt-clay fractions as well, though not necessarily using the same fractions – typically a lower fraction for sand, or even zero; and higher for clay.

 

Then in the SCHEMATIC block, set the appropriate MASS-LINK number for each type of PERLND.  There’s nothing magical about t= he convention of PERLND=3D1, IMPLND=3D2,

RCHRES=3D3, etc. for MASS-LINK numbers.

 

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

 

From: Rahim, Mustaf= a [mailto:rahim@illinois.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:44 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] MASS-LINK question

 

Hi everybody,<= o:p>

 

I would like to tell = my model that the sediment loading from the land surface is assumed to consist of 10= % sand, 35% silt and 55% clay for some PERLAND and 5% sand, 55%silt and 40% c= lay. How can I tell the MASS-LINK that part of land surface will take the fracti= on from set A (10% sand, 35% silt and 55%) and rest will take from set B (5% s= and, 55%silt and 40%). If its same fraction for all watershed then its simple, b= ut what is the best way to handle this type of situation? Any help is highly a= ppreciated. Thanks a lot.

 

Mustafa Rahim

 

 

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--_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A1575165CMAILSVRsjrwmd_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 17 X-lyris-Id: 176094 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:42:59 -0800 From: Drew Ackerman Subject: Local land use for HSPF I have tried bringing in local land use data to populate HSPF. I have tried bringing it in as a shape file, a raster, and as a TIF (and BMP). The raster, TIF and BMP don't get brought in well. The shape file comes in but when I try to generate the UCI file (i'm not assigning a classification file), it chokes. Is there something I'm missing? Are we still required to have only certain fields in the shape files as was the case in ver 3.1? Thanks drew Below is the error when I try using the shape file. BASINS 4 4.5.3048 (5/6/2008) System.InvalidCastException: Conversion from string "Open" to type 'Integer' is not valid. ---> System.FormatException: Input string was not in a correct format. at Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ParseDouble(String Value, NumberFormatInfo NumberFormat) at Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(String Value) --- End of inner exception stack trace --- at Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(String Value) at Microsoft.VisualBasic.CompilerServices.Conversions.ToInteger(Object Value) at atcModelSetup.frmModelSetup.CreateLanduses(atcCollection aSubbasinsSlopes, Collection aLucodes, Collection aSubids, Collection aAreas, Reaches aReaches) at atcModelSetup.frmModelSetup.SetupHSPF(String aOutputPath, String aBaseOutputName) at atcModelSetup.frmModelSetup.cmdOK_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) MapWinUtility (debug reporter) Assmebly Version: 2.0.832.50727 Operating System: Win32NT Service Pack: Service Pack 2 Major Version: 5 Minor Version: 1 Revision: 2 Build: 2600 ------------------------------------------------- Logical Drives: C:\ D:\ G:\ O:\ P:\ S:\ W:\ Y:\ Z:\ System Directory: C:\WINDOWS\system32 Current Directory: C:\PROJECTS\Hydromod\Hicks Command Line: "C:\Basins\bin\MapWindow.exe" Command Line Args: C:\Basins\bin\MapWindow.exe ------------Environment Variables----------------- Path == C:\Perl\site\bin;C:\Perl\bin;C:\Program Files\Tecplot\TecFocus\Bin;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wb em;C:\Program Files\Wave Systems Corp\Dell Preboot Manager\Access Client\v5\;C:\LF9555\Bin;c:\g77\bin;c:\g77\lib;C:\PROGRA~1\USGS\hspexp2.4\bin;C: \pest;C:\pest\swutils;C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\;C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2007b\bin;C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2007b\bin\win32;C:\Program Files\MATLAB\R2007b\Downloads\mexnc;C:\opendap\bin;C:\opendap\loaddap;C:\opendap -tools\bin;;C:\Program Files\SciTools-FORTRAN\bin\pc-win95;C:\Program Files\CVSNT\ TEMP == C:\DOCUME~1\Drewa\LOCALS~1\Temp SESSIONNAME == Console PATHEXT == .COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH USERDOMAIN == SCCWRP2K PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE == x86 SystemDrive == C: APPDATA == C:\Documents and Settings\Drewa\Application Data DEFLOGDIR == C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\McAfee\DesktopProtection windir == C:\WINDOWS SonicCentral == C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sonic Shared\Sonic Central\ Lib == C:\LF9555\Lib TMP == C:\DOCUME~1\Drewa\LOCALS~1\Temp USERDNSDOMAIN == SCCWRP2K.LAN USERPROFILE == C:\Documents and Settings\Drewa ProgramFiles == C:\Program Files FP_NO_HOST_CHECK == NO HOMEPATH == \Documents and Settings\Drewa COMPUTERNAME == DREW_DELL CLASSPATH == .;C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_02\lib\ext\QTJava.zip USERNAME == drewa NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS == 2 PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER == x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6, GenuineIntel Display == 127.0.0.1:0.0 VSEDEFLOGDIR == C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\McAfee\DesktopProtection SystemRoot == C:\WINDOWS ComSpec == C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe LOGONSERVER == \\PELAGIC3 TECFOCUSHOME == C:\Program Files\Tecplot\TecFocus\ CommonProgramFiles == C:\Program Files\Common Files PROCESSOR_LEVEL == 6 PROCESSOR_REVISION == 0f06 PROJ_LIB == C:\Basins\bin\PROJ_NAD QTJAVA == C:\Program 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----Module Name: TosBtKbd.dll Path: C:\Program Files\Toshiba\Bluetooth Toshiba Stack\TosBtKbd.dll Version: 4, 0, 804, 0 ----Module Name: dadkeyb.dll Path: C:\Program Files\Dell\QuickSet\dadkeyb.dll Version: ------------End Debug Info------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 18 X-lyris-Id: 176106 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800 From: "Pickett, Paul (ECY)" Subject: Use a different DEM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C94AB4.91313981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I'd like to use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable in BASINS? Paul Paul J. Pickett WA Dept. of Ecology P.O. Box 47710 Olympia, WA 98504-7710 (360) 407-6882 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C94AB4.91313981 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Use a different DEM

I have access = to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I’d like to use in BASINS. How do I = import from this coverage to a grid file usable in = BASINS?

Paul

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

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Has anyone used PSTEMP to model stream temperature = and found it difficult to accurately model temperature in headwater = watersheds?  I have accurately modeled temperature in most of my basin but I am having = trouble with the headwater watersheds being 5-10 degrees Celsius above measured temperature in the summer.

 

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I renumber and its works fine. =20 Thanks for your help. =20 Regards=2CHarshad Patel> From: TJobes@sjrwmd.com> To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.= gov> Date: Thu=2C 20 Nov 2008 11:07:51 -0500> Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] Win= HSPFLt Error> > > Are you using unit 99 in you FILES block? It is not clear= ly documented=2C but this unit number is reserved for an internal debug out= put file (often empty) called error.fil. It looks from your error that you = are using unit 99 for your WDM file. Renumber it and you should be fine.> >= Tom Jobes> SJRWMD> > Tom Jobes> St. Johns River Water Management District>= Office:386-329-4463> Cell:386-937-6341> > > ----- Original Message -----> = From: Harshad Patel > To: Private list for BASINS= users > Sent: Thu Nov 20 10:56:14 2008> Subject:= [basinsinfo] WinHSPFLt Error> > > > Dear Friends=2C> > I am trying run my = watershed file (Version 11.0) through WinHSPFLt and I encounter following e= rror:> > ---------------------------> ERROR> ---------------------------> F= ormatted I/O on an unformatted file (see "Input/Output" in the Lahey Fortra= n> 90 Language Reference)=2C FILE=3DHr-0.wdm=2C UNIT=3D99.> Error occurred = at line 395 of file C:\lib3.0\src\newaqt12\SCNUTL.FOR> in FILSET> called by= M_ACTSCN@SCENMOD.> > ---------------------------> OK> --------------------= -----> > Is anyone had this type of problem before? Pls share with me.> > T= hanks in advance for your input to solve above problem.> > Regards=2C> Hars= had Patel> > Ph: (001) 905 882 4211 ext 6686> > > _________________________= _______> > Messenger wants to send you on a trip. 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Yes=2C You were right. I renumber and its works fine.
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>=3B From: TJobes@sjrwmd.c= om
>=3B To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov
>=3B Date: Thu=2C 20 Nov 200= 8 11:07:51 -0500
>=3B Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] WinHSPFLt Error
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>=3B Are you using unit 99 in you FILES block? It is n= ot clearly documented=2C but this unit number is reserved for an internal d= ebug output file (often empty) called error.fil. It looks from your error t= hat you are using unit 99 for your WDM file. Renumber it and you should be = fine.
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>=3B = Tom Jobes
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I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our agency
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:57:27 -0500
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Hi Tom,

Don't think I responded your email. Thank you for the hints. I looked at th=
e inflows and outflows and storages and they are consistent.

Biswarup (Roop) Guha, P.E.
Project Engineer
HydroQual, Inc.
mail to: bguha@hydroqual.com
1200 MacArthur Boulevard
Mahwah, NJ 07430
Phone: 201-529-5151, ext. 7216
Fax: 201-529-5728
________________________________
From: Tom Jobes [TJobes@sjrwmd.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Roop,

Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentration with the actu=
al instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a fraction of the=
 algae concentration as well.  It seems to me that would actually make your=
 problem worse, not better.

The first thing I=92d look at is your assumption that most of the flow is b=
aseflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to confirm.  Also, comp=
are the baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface=
 concentration, to see if there is some sort of dilution.  Finally, look no=
t just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass ter=
ms, so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your reach.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-329-4463
C: 386-937-6341

From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Hi all,

I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. =
The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha=
ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone =
could share his/her thoughts.

Here's what I am doing:

I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-=
water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl=
ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD=
) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl=
ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature =
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).=
  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b=
enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay=
, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,=
 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.=
 I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou=
nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-=
5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.

I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.=
 It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco=
unted for.

Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?

Thanks,
Roop.

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Don't think I responded y=
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d storages and they are consistent.



 




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Roop,


 


Actually, you should be comparing your bas=
eflow concentration with the actual instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD,=
 which includes a fraction of the algae
 concentration as well.  It seems to me that would actually make your =
problem worse, not better.


 


The first thing I=92d look at is your assu=
mption that most of the flow is baseflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and A=
GWO components to confirm.  Also, compare the
 baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface concen=
tration, to see if there is some sort of dilution.  Finally, look not =
just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass terms=
, so you can construct a total mass balance
 for BOD in your reach.


 




Tom Jobes


St Johns River Water Management District


tjobes@sjrwmd.com


W: 386-329-4463


C: 386-937-6341




 






From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]


Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM

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Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery






 




Hi all,






 






I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simu=
lated in HSPF. The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forw=
ard but I am having difficulty in understanding
 the results. It would be great if someone could share his/her thoughts.






 






Here's what I am doing:






 






I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign=
 to the ground-water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). Durin=
g dry period, the flow is primarily groundwater
 so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD) in the stream is clo=
se to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values close to 3.5 or so.=
 I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature correction coeffi=
cient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D
 0.04 ft/hr).  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD wou=
ld be sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members =
of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitri=
fication, 5 - phytoplankton, 6 - zooplankton, 7
 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the=
 VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accounted for appro=
ximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD =
is getting lost.






 






I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling=
 rate to 1E-25. It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD =
which is unaccounted for.






 






Am I missing something here? Could you please share your ins=
ights?






 






Thanks,






Roop.




 








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Actually, you should be comparing your base=
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 the effective surface concentration, to see if there is some sort of dilut=
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that the concentration (POTBOD) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However,=
 HSPF is calculating values close to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rat=
e (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD set=
tling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).  For the BOD simulation, the =
loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printe=
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Use a different DEM

Yes.

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I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I=92d like to use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable in BASINS?

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So the third idea checked out okay - any luck with the first two?

From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:57 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Hi Tom,

Don't think I responded your email. Thank you for the hints. I looked at th=
e inflows and outflows and storages and they are consistent.

Biswarup (Roop) Guha, P.E.
Project Engineer
HydroQual, Inc.
mail to: bguha@hydroqual.com
1200 MacArthur Boulevard
Mahwah, NJ 07430
Phone: 201-529-5151, ext. 7216
Fax: 201-529-5728
________________________________
From: Tom Jobes [TJobes@sjrwmd.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery
Roop,

Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentration with the actu=
al instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a fraction of the=
 algae concentration as well.  It seems to me that would actually make your=
 problem worse, not better.

The first thing I'd look at is your assumption that most of the flow is bas=
eflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to confirm.  Also, compar=
e the baseflow concentration with the interflow and the effective surface c=
oncentration, to see if there is some sort of dilution.  Finally, look not =
just at concentrations but at all of the inflows and outflows in mass terms=
, so you can construct a total mass balance for BOD in your reach.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-329-4463
C: 386-937-6341

From: Biswarup Guha [mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery

Hi all,

I am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. =
The equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am ha=
ving difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone =
could share his/her thoughts.

Here's what I am doing:

I assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-=
water and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the fl=
ow is primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD=
) in the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values cl=
ose to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature =
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04 ft/hr).=
  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be sinking, decay, b=
enthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay=
, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 - denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton,=
 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and 8 - total). Their units are lbs/hr.=
 I also printed the VOL and converted the mass to concentration which accou=
nted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not understand where the remaining 4-=
5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.

I tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25.=
 It increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unacco=
unted for.

Am I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?

Thanks,
Roop.

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So the third idea checked out okay – any luck with the=
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two?



 









From: Biswarup Guha
[mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] 

Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:57 PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery









 






Hi Tom,









 









Don't
think I responded your email. Thank you for the hints. I looked at the infl=
ows
and outflows and storages and they are consistent. 









 












Biswarup (Roop) Guha,=
 P.E.










Project Engineer 

HydroQual, Inc. 

=
mail to:
bguha@hydroqual.com 

1200 MacArthur Boulevard 

Mahwah, NJ 07430 

Phone: 201-529-5151, ext. 7216 

Fax: 201-529-5728 





















From: Tom Jobes [TJobes@sjrwmd.com]

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:04 PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE:[basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery












Roop,



 



Actually, you should be comparing your baseflow concentratio=
n
with the actual instream BOD concentration, not POTBOD, which includes a
fraction of the algae concentration as well.  It seems to me that woul=
d
actually make your problem worse, not better.



 



The first thing I’d look at is your assumption that mo=
st of the
flow is baseflow.  Check the SURO, IFWO, and AGWO components to
confirm.  Also, compare the baseflow concentration with the interflow =
and
the effective surface concentration, to see if there is some sort of
dilution.  Finally, look not just at concentrations but at all of the
inflows and outflows in mass terms, so you can construct a total mass balan=
ce
for BOD in your reach.



 






Tom
Jobes



St
Johns River Water Management District



tjobes@sjrwmd.com



W:
386-329-4463



C:
386-937-6341






 









From: Biswarup Guha
[mailto:bguha@hydroqual.com] 

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 AM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: [basinsinfo] BOD in HSPF - mystery









 






Hi
all,









 









I
am having a problem with understanding how the BOD is simulated in HSPF. Th=
e
equations listed in the manual seems to be straight forward but I am having
difficulty in understanding the results. It would be great if someone could
share his/her thoughts.









 









Here's
what I am doing:









 









I
assumed that the BOD concentrations which I have to assign to the ground-wa=
ter
and interflow to be 10 mg/L (ultimate BOD). During dry period, the flo=
w is
primarily groundwater so I would think that the concentration (POTBOD)=
 in
the stream is close to 10 mg/L. However, HSPF is calculating values close
to 3.5 or so. I am using a decay rate (KBOD20=3D0.01 / hr) temperature
correction coefficient of 1.047, BOD settling rate (KODSET =3D 0.04
ft/hr).  For the BOD simulation, the loss terms for BOD would be
sinking, decay, benthal oxygen demand. I printed out all the members
of OXCF4 (1 - BOD decay, 2 - benthal release, 3 - sinking, 4 -
denitrification, 5 - phytoplankton, 6 - zooplankton, 7 - benthal algae and =
8 -
total). Their units are lbs/hr. I also printed the VOL and converted t=
he
mass to concentration which accounted for approximately 2-3 mg/L. I do not
understand where the remaining 4-5 mg/L of BOD is getting lost.=










 









I
tried a sensitivity decreasing the decay rate and settling rate to 1E-25. I=
t
increased the POTBOD to 4-5, but still there's some BOD which is unaccounte=
d
for.









 









Am
I missing something here? Could you please share your insights?=










 









Thanks,









Roop.






 












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--_000_09BC558197EEA84280342FA285F3ACEA3A1575E263MAILSVRsjrwmd_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 29 X-lyris-Id: 176191 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:49:23 -0500 From: Peter Ko Subject: RE: Use a different DEM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_a6SlKKkbQW3pOPXD5KAmZw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Paul, I use Global Mapper for all the conversions. Having worked in 18 countries around World, I have not met a format which is not supported in Global Mapper. This $299 program can convert between a myriad of formats of raster and vector. There is no need to have any extensions. I believe you can even download a trail version. www.globalmapper.com You would have to tell Global Mapper the format of your 10m DEM when you open your DEM file, then you have to decide which format do you need to have your DEM exported to. You can "draw a box" of the area where you want to export. You can also specify to interpolate small gaps of voids if your DEM data is not perfect. There is no need to go through TIN, etc., etc. I do not know which DEM format is being used in BASINS. But MapWindow/Watershed delineation uses only Arc ASCII grid, which is one of the format supported in GM. Cheers, Peter _____ From: oscar Loli Cardenas [mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:44 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM There is the method: ArcGIS Menu Tool => Extensions => 3DAnalyst Rigth click on Toolbar => Editor => Toolbar Editor => Editor => Start Editing Arc Toolbox => 3D Analyst Tools => Conversion => From Raster => Raster to TIN => Z tolerance 30 more less Then From Tin => Tin to Raster => Sampling Distance => Cellsize 150 o 100 _____ Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0800 From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov Yes. Here are more details: I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our agency server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped file on my local computer. When I use the "Add Layer" button, BASINS can't see the server grid file, and it can only import the image file from the clipped grid. What's the best way to convert my larger server grid into a small local grid that BASINS can use? Paul Paul J. Pickett WA Dept. of Ecology P.O. Box 47710 Olympia, WA 98504-7710 (360) 407-6882 From: oscar Loli Cardenas [mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:43 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM You must use arcgis _____ Subject: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800 From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I'd like to use in BASINS. 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Hello Paul,
 
I use Global Mapper for all the conversions. Having = worked=20 in 18 countries around World, I have not met a format which is = not=20 supported in Global Mapper. This $299 program can convert between a = myriad=20 of formats of raster and vector. There is no need to have any = extensions. I=20 believe you can even download a trail version. www.globalmapper.com
 
You would have to tell Global Mapper the format of your = 10m DEM=20 when you open your DEM file, then you have to decide which format do you = need to=20 have your DEM exported to. You can "draw a box" of the area where you = want to=20 export. You can also specify to interpolate small gaps of voids if your = DEM data=20 is not perfect. There is no need to go through TIN, etc.,=20 etc.
 
I do not know which DEM format is being used in BASINS. = But=20 MapWindow/Watershed delineation uses only Arc ASCII grid, which is one = of the=20 format supported in GM.
 
Cheers,
Peter

From: oscar Loli Cardenas=20 [mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November = 21, 2008=20 12:44 PM
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Subject: = RE:=20 [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM

There is the method:

ArcGIS

Menu Tool =3D> = Extensions=20 =3D> 3DAnalyst

Rigth click on Toolbar =3D> Editor =3D> = Toolbar Editor=20 =3D> Editor =3D> Start Editing

Arc Toolbox =3D> 3D = Analyst Tools =3D>=20 Conversion =3D> From Raster =3D> Raster to TIN  =3D> Z = tolerance 30 more=20 less

Then From Tin =3D> Tin to Raster =3D> Sampling = Distance =3D>=20 Cellsize 150 o 100






Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 = 10:49:19=20 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: = basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

Yes.=20

 

Here=20 are more details:

 

I have=20 a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our agency server. I = can=20 clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped file on my local = computer.=20 When I use the “Add Layer” button, BASINS can’t see = the server grid file, and it=20 can only import the image file from the clipped grid.

 

What’s=20 the best way to convert my larger server grid into a small local grid = that=20 BASINS can use?

 

Paul

 

Paul J.=20 Pickett

WA Dept. of=20 Ecology

P.O. Box=20 47710

Olympia, WA=20 98504-7710

(360)=20 407-6882

 

From: oscar = Loli Cardenas=20 [mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com]
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Subject: = RE:=20 [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM

 

You must = use=20 arcgis





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I have = access to a=20 10-m DEM = grid = for = Washington=20 State that I’d like to use in BASINS. How do I import from this = coverage to a=20 grid file usable in BASINS?

Paul

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:30:23 -0800
From: "Pickett, Paul (ECY)" 
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What finally worked...

=20

In ArcMap I used Data Management/Raster/Clip to create a small grid for
my project area.

In Basins I used GIS Tools/Raster/Reproject to reproject the grid (.img
file) from our agency projection to the UTM projection Basins uses.

=20

Voila - it's on the map now!

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Paul

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WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710(360) 407-6882

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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

Yes.=20

=20

Here are more details:

=20

I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from our agency
server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the clipped file
on my local computer. When I use the "Add Layer" button, BASINS can't
see the server grid file, and it can only import the image file from the
clipped grid.=20

=20

What's the best way to convert my larger server grid into a small local
grid that BASINS can use?

=20

Paul

=20

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

=20

From: oscar Loli Cardenas [mailto:ololi_cardenas@hotmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:43 AM
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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM

=20

You must use arcgis






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Subject: [basinsinfo] Use a different DEM
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:06:14 -0800
From: PPic461@ECY.WA.GOV
To: basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov

I have access to a 10-m DEM grid for Washington State that I'd like to
use in BASINS. How do I import from this coverage to a grid file usable
in BASINS?

Paul

Paul J. Pickett

WA Dept. of Ecology

P.O. Box 47710

Olympia, WA 98504-7710

(360) 407-6882

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Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Use a =
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0800

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Yes. =




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I have a 10-m DEM that I can access through my ArcMap from =
our
agency server. I can clip it to the local boundaries and save the =
clipped file
on my local computer. When I use the “Add Layer” button, =
BASINS
can’t see the server grid file, and it can only import the image =
file
from the clipped grid. =




 =




What’s the best way to convert my larger server grid =
into a
small local grid that BASINS can use?



 =




Paul=




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Paul J. Pickett



WA Dept. of Ecology



P.O. Box 47710



Olympia, WA 98504-7710



(360) 407-6882






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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:39:54 -0000
From: "Mery Apple" 
Subject: Available Data and Metadata

Hello BASINS Users,

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.  Some are general 
and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able to answer).

General Questions:
(1)  How is the PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman Method?  Is there any 
documentation on how this is done?
(2)  What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?

Specific Questions:
1)  When I download data for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data that 
is available from the NDCD website?  For Example Station HI518945 period of 
record for BASINS downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.  Yet on the NCDC website 
there is data from 1949 to Present.
2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled 
OBSERVED.  Is this correct?

These are a few of my questions.  
Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.

Happy Holidays,
Mery Apple


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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:01:18 -0800 (PST)
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Mery,

If you look in the Help section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives you 
information on PEVT. I think it is computed using the Hamon method, which 
requires monthly coefficient values, something I have currently been working on 
finding appropriate values for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as the 
product of daylength, the coefficient I referred to, as well as saturated water 
vapor density at a certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is what the 
model actual simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and probably 
some other factors like temperature. Hope that helps!

Lauren




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To: Private list for BASINS users 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:39:54 PM
Subject: [basinsinfo] Available Data and Metadata

Hello BASINS Users,

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.  Some are general 
and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able to answer).

General Questions:
(1)  How is the PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman Method?  Is there any 
documentation on how this is done?
(2)  What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?

Specific Questions:
1)  When I download data for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data that 
is available from the NDCD website?  For Example Station HI518945 period of 
record for BASINS downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.  Yet on the NCDC website 
there is data from 1949 to Present.
2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled 
OBSERVED.  Is this correct?

These are a few of my questions.  
Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.

Happy Holidays,
Mery Apple

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Mery,

If you look in the Help 
section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives you information on PEVT. I think 
it is computed using the Hamon method, which requires monthly coefficient 
values, something I have currently been working on finding appropriate values 
for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as the product of daylength, the 
coefficient I referred to, as well as saturated water vapor density at a 
certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is what the model actual 
simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and probably some other 
factors like temperature. Hope that helps!

Lauren

From: Mery Apple <mery@hawaii.edu>
To: Private list for BASINS users 
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:39:54 PM
Subject: [basinsinfo] Available Data and 
Metadata


Hello BASINS Users,

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help 
me with.  Some are general and some are specific to my dataset (which only 
Paul may be able to answer).

General Questions:
(1)  How is the 
PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman Method?  Is there any 
documentation on how this is done?
(2)  What is the difference between 
PEVT and Actual ET?

Specific Questions:
1)  When I download data 
for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data that is available from the 
NDCD website?  For Example Station HI518945 period of record for BASINS 
downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.  Yet on the NCDC website there is data 
from 1949 to Present.
2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled 
COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled OBSERVED.  Is this correct?

These are 
a few of my questions.  
Thanks in advance for any help that you may 
have on these issues.

Happy
 Holidays,
Mery 
Apple

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Hi Mery,

The PEVT data in BASINS is computed using the Hamon method.

As Lauren noted, there is some documentation of this in the WDMUtil manual.

As for PEVT and other ET terms, I suggest reviewing Tony Donigian's BASINS
list-server posting from 8/3/2004 (if you can't find it let me know and I'll
send it to you - it's a bit long to include here).

Assuming you are accessing the updated met data (through 2006), you can find
updated documentation for it in the latest BASINS documentation (see the
BASINS Data Types and Appendix C entries).

I can check the data processing log files to see what's up with the data for
your station of interest - my guess is that a portion of the data was
omitted due to high percentage of missing data.

PREC data with a scenario of COMPUTED indicates that the hourly values were
developed by disaggregating daily values.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Paul Hummel

AQUA TERRA Consultants

 

 

 

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From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:01 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] Available Data and Metadata

 

Mery,

If you look in the Help section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives you
information on PEVT. I think it is computed using the Hamon method, which
requires monthly coefficient values, something I have currently been working
on finding appropriate values for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as the
product of daylength, the coefficient I referred to, as well as saturated
water vapor density at a certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is
what the model actual simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and
probably some other factors like temperature. Hope that helps!

Lauren

 

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From: Mery Apple 
To: Private list for BASINS users 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:39:54 PM
Subject: [basinsinfo] Available Data and Metadata

Hello BASINS Users,

I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.  Some are
general and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able to
answer).

General Questions:
(1)  How is the PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman Method?  Is there
any documentation on how this is done?
(2)  What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?

Specific Questions:
1)  When I download data for the island of Oahu, I do not get all the data
that is available from the NDCD website?  For Example Station HI518945
period of record for BASINS downloaded data is 1949 to 1978.  Yet on the
NCDC website there is data from 1949 to Present.
2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is labeled
OBSERVED.  Is this correct?

These are a few of my questions.  
Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.

Happy Holidays,
Mery Apple

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Hi =
Mery,



The PEVT data in BASINS is computed =
using
the Hamon method.



As Lauren noted, there is some
documentation of this in the WDMUtil =
manual.



As for PEVT and other ET terms, I =
suggest
reviewing Tony Donigian’s BASINS list-server posting from 8/3/2004 =
(if
you can’t find it let me know and I’ll send it to you =
– it’s
a bit long to include here).



Assuming you are accessing the =
updated met
data (through 2006), you can find updated documentation for it in the =
latest
BASINS documentation (see the BASINS Data Types and Appendix C =
entries).



I can check the data processing log =
files
to see what’s up with the data for your station of interest =
– my guess
is that a portion of the data was omitted due to high percentage of =
missing
data.



PREC data with a scenario of =
COMPUTED
indicates that the hourly values were developed by disaggregating daily =
values.



Let me know if you have further =
questions.



Paul =
Hummel



AQUA TERRA =
Consultants



 



 



 















From: =
Lauren Felker
[mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] 

Sent: Monday, November =
24, 2008
4:01 PM

To: Private list for =
BASINS users

Subject: Re: [basinsinfo]
Available Data and Metadata






 









Mery,



If you look in the Help section of the WDM utility, I believe it gives =
you
information on PEVT. I think it is computed using the Hamon method, =
which
requires monthly coefficient values, something I have currently been =
working on
finding appropriate values for, for my watershed. PEVT is computed as =
the
product of daylength, the coefficient I referred to, as well as =
saturated water
vapor density at a certain temperature. Actual evapotranspiration is =
what the
model actual simulates based on PEVT and precipitation events, and =
probably
some other factors like temperature. Hope that helps!



Lauren









 















From: Mery =
Apple
<mery@hawaii.edu>

To: Private list for =
BASINS users
<basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>

Sent: Monday, November =
24, 2008
2:39:54 PM

Subject: [basinsinfo] =
Available
Data and Metadata



Hello BASINS Users,



I have a few questions that I hope someone can help me with.  Some =
are
general and some are specific to my dataset (which only Paul may be able =
to
answer).



General Questions:

(1)  How is the PEVT computed?  Is this done using Penman
Method?  Is there any documentation on how this is done?

(2)  What is the difference between PEVT and Actual ET?



Specific Questions:

1)  When I download data for the island of Oahu,
I do not get all the data that is available from the NDCD website?  =
For
Example Station HI518945 period of record for BASINS downloaded data is =
1949 to
1978.  Yet on the NCDC website there is data from 1949 to =
Present.

2)  For Station HI511919, PREC is labeled COMPUTED and PEVT is =
labeled
OBSERVED.  Is this correct?



These are a few of my questions.  

Thanks in advance for any help that you may have on these issues.



Happy Holidays,

Mery Apple



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