From: Stephen Page <ichannel@home.com>

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Date: 10/12/98 3:21am

Subject: Comments & Proposal, Stephen J. Page

October 11, 1998

TO:Honorable William M. Daley

Secretary of Commerce

c/o Karen Rose

Office of International Affairs

Room 471

National Telecommunications and

Information Administration

United States Department of Commerce

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Washington, D.C. 20230

FROM: Stephen J. Page, 2800 Independence Drive

Livermore, CA 94566

T: 925-454-8624

F: 925-484-0448

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Re: New Concepts and Ideas in Support of the BWG and ORSC Proposals for

Management of Internet Names and Addresses (including supporting Addenda A-F)

CC: House Science Committee

Subcommittee on Basic Research

c/o Mark Harrington <mark.harrington@mail.house.gov>

THE AUTHOR:

Stephen Page is a researcher, former Regular Army Officer, U.S. Army, a

recognized business network architecture designer as a project manager for a

DARPA funded Network Architecture grant in 1994, and practicing optometrist.

He is 41 years old, resides and practices Northern California, a graduate of

University of Santa Clara (bachelor), University of California Berkeley,

(doctorate) and Boston University (masters degree in Business Administration).

He is a participant in the IFWP as a Virtual Attendee submitting comments via

email, as well as a participant with the Open Root Server Consortium (ORSC),

representing Internet .a(sm)-.z(sm) Name Registry, a California Corporation.

Dear Sir,

The basic principle of my proposal, which I have not seen articulated by

anyone involved in the process thus far, is that the management system of

Internet names and numbers needs to be scalable and stable over time based

upon its harmony with the mathematically-proven order which exists in our

universe, and ourselves.

This viewpoint differs from the point of view where stability of the

Internet, today, is our most pressing concern. Proven leadership implores us

not to ignore the future because of expendiency of today*s time-limit-driven needs.

This is one person*s attempt, again, to influence those who are in a position

of power, authority, or decision-making, to understand that there is a proven

architecture which exists, to which we must be sensitive, and with which we

must harmonize, or risk potentially grave consequences in the future.

The costs of fixing mistakes rise, once the deployment phase of a commercial

deployment has begun, and since we are already in the commercial adoption

phase of the Internet as a medium, the risks are high in doing it right the

first time.

The First Step is to Ask the Right Questions

There are many questions which have not been asked, which need to be asked at

this critical point in the process of developing an acceptable, scalable

system of managing intellectual property across the intellectual space

(commonly called cyberspace) which is facilitated by the Internet medium.

The first question that needs to be asked is, *What are we doing, and how

does it relate to what has been done in the past?*

Very simply, we are transitioning the highly controlled management function

which has overseen the initial phases of the development of a trans-geography

system of energy-carrying wires which transmits intellectual property from any

one point in the universe, to any other point in the universe, providing that

these points use the same numbering system (IP) and the same symbolic

language-mapping convention, DNS.

What are the real-world parallels to this transition which we can draw from

in order to make the right decisions? The parallels which have been done in

the past are, in the U.S., the creation of the interstate highway system, to

include the physical construction, the mapping, signage, and the languages

used to assist drivers in navigating throughout the system. In Europe, the

inter-national and intra-continental system of roads which feed traffic from

one geographical territory (nation) to another.

Using the interstate highway example again to reflect the view of the various

proposals, one proposal (ICANN) created by IANA is created by the leader of

the group which has a stake in maintaining is perpetual role at the center of

the *new corporation* . Using the highway analogy, this is the equivalent of

a mapping contractor to the U.S. Dept of Transportation or in California,

Caltrans, placing themselves in the center of the new corporation whose

purpose is to manage all of the present and future drivers of automobiles (in

the case of the Internet, browser-drivers). The asphalt companies,

construction firms, engineering firms, geotechnical firms, automobile

companies, tire companies, gasoline suppliers, etc. all depend upon the

successful and scalable architecture of the system of road for their economic

livelihood, but it is not their interests which should be represented at the

heart of the new corporation, but the interests of the millions of people who

actually drive the browsers.

As one of the drivers myself, and one of the people interested in providing

service to other drivers in the future, I and others have found ourselves in

the uncomfortable position of being told by those who control all of the names

and numbers that the names that I have chosen, although they are intellectual

property, cannot exist and therefore cannot be used to attract customers along

the side of the road. I, along with others have been warned that there will

be no system of governance or oversight which will protect my right to obtain

a license, drive my browser, navigate the roads using my own language, or open

up a business on the side of a road to serve others.

These positions are especially surprising because they arise from within the

system of government which is based upon a foundation of protections of

individuals rights and freedoms, which has created this new system of

cyber-roads which we navigate, and will continue to navigate in the future.

Unless the course of this process changes, what we are apparently witnessing

is the largest sell-out of individual protections, rights and freedoms, in the

history of the world, because there will be no guarantees of accountability of

future leaders to the people who use the system, nor guarantees of a lawful

foundation. This direction has the potential to negatively affect each and

every person, now and in the future, who drives a browser across the roads of

cyberspace, so this oversight should be remedied.

The understanding of the highway system is derived from exploring the past,

present, and future by asking only one question, *What are we doing, and how

does it relate to what has been done in the past?* However, there are many

more questions which need to be asked after we recognize exactly what we have

created, what we are creating, and what we will be living with after we create

it.

As a participant in the process for several years, one who has recognized the

need to build a future upon a solid foundation of physical and mathematical

truth, I would like to share some insight which might make things more clear

so that all people who are in the position to influence the future, are able

to do so with confidence and conviction, knowing that they stand upon solid ground.

The Mathematics of Networks or the Six Degrees of Separation

This past summer, in the June 23 edition of Nature mathematicians proved what

has been understood and demonstrated by people in the human and social

sciences for a while, that there is a common mathematical architecture which

applies to everything, social structures, power grids, and even the Internet.

What does this newly proven fact have to do with the process of transitioning

the names and numbering function of the Internet from a controlled function of

the U.S. government, to a corporately-structured entity? It has monumental implications.

First of all, the fact that there is a mathematical framework which affects

everything, including the Internet, means that we need to first be humble

enough to recognize how the framework is applied to the Internet. (This task,

has already been complete by myself, as a researcher working independently and

as a member of a small research team which had received a Network Architecture

grant from DARPA in 1994.)

Secondly, once discovered to be a part of a unified framework, we need to

recognize how this framework is applied to the U.S. government itself, so we

can recognize how our country has been able to harness the framework for our

collective economic, social, and political benefit. (Again, I have been

studying the role of the framework as it applies to the Constitution of the

United States, as well as how it has been successfully applied by other

people, nations, and economic systems, but most importantly how it will be

applied successfully in cyberspace.)

What can be simply concluded is this: if we can recognize the role of

mathematics to influence everything, over time, as we have now done, then we

need to apply this understanding to recognize how it applies to all things

human (biological, linguistic, cognitive/intellectual, social, economic, and

political), as well as all things *networked*. The point of intersection of

all things human, and all things *networked*, is where we must focus our

attention with the clarity of purpose which mankind focused upon other

objectives which were seemingly impossible, but achievable, like flying to the moon.

What I propose is that we leverage our recent understanding of the framework

which governs the DNS and IP numbering system, and harmonize our

to-be-incorporated structure to reflect the most stable, scalable, and

Constitutionally-inspired protectiveness over the intellectual property which

is the currency which flows across the Internet, removing all arbitrary

decision-making from the process, recognizing that there must be justification

for actions at the center of the power-vortex which we have called the

Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), and which we might refer to as The

Internet Channel, an open system unlimited in its scalability, subject to

principles of stable management, and trust. Why trust? All people will be

able to trust the system because it will be recognized to be based upon the

laws of the Creator which govern the Universe.

How these Principles Fit with the Existing Proposals, ICANN, BWG, Hauben and ORSC.

First, the ICANN proposal is derived from the efforts of one person who is

apparently not accountable to any other person. This fact, makes the proposal

inconsistent with the mathematical framework which governs the evolution of

scalable networks over time. There is no way that one person, developing a

plan designed to keep themselve in proximity to power and control, because

that is where they want to be, can create a proposal and impose it upon

humanity. (See the comments of BWG and Hauben for their reasons for

submitting their proposals.)

Secondly, in my opinion, BWG and ORSC proposals were created with input from

individual participants after hours and hours of meetings, discussions, and

conversations, driven by the principles of the White Paper, which can be

viewed as a document driven by political and practical expediency forced by

the expiration of the NSF contract. As a participant in the meetings, a

virtual participant, I have attempted to provide input which implored the

participants to recognize the design of the DNS and IP numbering systems as

being special.

Lastly, but not least, the Hauben proposal for recognizing the spirit of the

Internet as being a *Treasure*, comes closest to what I would call recognizing

that the mathematical design framework which exists is *the Treasure* and that

the intellectual property contents which flow across the network, from point

to point, as *the life*s blood of a body of collective human energy generated

by individual creativity and effort*. Recognizing the importance of

preserving the treasure, while protecting the flow of human energy across the

Internet Channel, is the highest calling which we need to undertake at this

critical point in time.

To summarize, the blending of the inclusiveness of the BWG and ORSC

proposals, built upon the spirit of Hauben proposal, should be the direction

where we should be collectively headed.

Having attempted to deal directly for several months with IANA regarding

issues which not only apply to myself and my business, but to the principles

which apply to others* businesses as well, with no success, I have very little

confidence in any organization regardless of what it is called which has no

stated foundation of Constitutional principles of protection or balance of

power. I have attempted to influence this oversight by the submission of

many comments regarding these oversights sent to the COMMENTS@IANA.ORG

website, with no apparent result, thus far.

A Nice Place to Start: Leverage a Model Which Already Exists

The Presidio of San Francisco is a symbol of a former militarily-inspired,

government controlled asset which has been transitioned for the benefit of

society into something new. It has been my suggestion, and continues to be,

that the Presidio, which is now a public park which is operated under the

oversight of the United States government as a Trust. The Trust manages the

assets, the land and the buildings, which are leased out to for-profit

companies, which will hopefully lead to the development of a self-sustaining

service to the public who use the Park.

We can think of the Internet in the same terms. The developed Internet was

developed by the U.S. government, and is now being transitioned for the

benefit of society into something new. It has been my suggestion, and

continues to be, that the Presidio Model, be applied to managing the assets

(the names and numbers) under the Trust model. The Trust manages the assets,

the intellectual property assets, which are leased out to for-profit companies

(or non-profit), which will hopefully lead to the development of a

self-sustaining service to the public who use the Internet.

The Presidio, as a symbol of a successful transition from government to

private sector, under the oversight of Congress, would be a logical place to

locate the administration of the new Corporation. The state of incorporation,

would not matter as much as the symbolism of the location itself. In fact,

this year, being the 50th year anniversary of the historical U.N. meetings in

San Francisco, would be an ideal reason to choose the Presidio of San

Francisco as a location for the global Internet. (I submitted a similar

proposal to the Presidio Planning Committee during their Call for Interest

several years ago, so this is not a new idea, although at the time it was

made, few people had heard of the Internet.)

Conclusion

Thank you for the opportunity to share my views. I would hope that you

consider the very important role of a balancer of powers as being a necessary

function which we cannot ignore.

Respectfully,

Stephen J. Page

From: Stephen Page <ichannel@home.com>

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Date: 10/12/98 3:29am

Subject: Addenda 1 to Comments of Stephen J. Page

Addendum A: Protecting Intellectual Property in Cyberspace

Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT)

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From: usdh@mail.ccnet.com (steve)

Subject: Human Rights Declaration of Individual Rights in Cyberspace, July

4, 1998,

version 1.0

Cc: usdh@ccnet.com

An Open Letter Declaring Individually Created and Consumed Electromagnetic

Energy Protected

TO: the Cooperative Community of Individual Citizens of the World and

Present and Future Users of the Internet Channel

THRU: Open RSC Domain Policy Organization

TITLE: Human Rights Declaration of Individual Rights in Cyberspace, July 4,

1998, verson 1.0

a foundation for structuring scalable information systems (IS), data

systems (DS) and registration system (RS) while promoting long term social

and economic stability worldwide through a process of self-organizing

decentralization of control empowering individual energy creators and

stakeholders

by Stephen J. Page

MBA OD BSc

promoting individual rights to access, navigation, & electromagnetic

energy transmission universally

T: 925-454-8624 F: 925-484-0448

email: usdh@ccnet.com

Inspiration

The 50th Anniversary of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights was

an inspiration for recognizing that human rights and individual rights in

cyberspace are inseparable. When the UN crafted the Universal Declaration,

there was no Internet. Today, the Internet is a channel whose value is

entirely dependent upon the actions of millions of individual people. As a

collective massing of cooperating people whose individual and collective

creativity forms the sum of all value which is created, transmitted, and

broadcast universally, the Internet represents a treasure which is worthy

of extraordinary protection. By protecting the individual rights of one

person, and applying that protection universally, that treasure will be

protected forever, for all to benefit.

(c) Copyright, 1998. Stephen J. Page. All Rights Reserved.

(This copyright is applied merely to identify the source of authorship.

Feel free to distribute this anywhere, so long as the copyright mark is

attached.)

Introduction

In 1948 the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights was

written to provide a guide for the nations of the world and a beacon of

hope for oppressed and suppressed human beings everywhere.

International wars between nations are now rare, but civil wars within

traditional nation-state boundaries are becoming more common as the forces

of central control and self-interest run against the forces of self-rule,

autonomy, and self-organization.

Fueling the hope of human beings who seek to make their voices heard is the

technology which enables the Internet, an electromagnetic energy

transmission medium. This technology gives anyone with the

telecommunications access to the global network of networks, and a browser

which they individually control, the same right to seek and receive

information as anyone else in the world.

As people use their eyes and brains to send and receive information in the

three dimensional physical space of the universe, so do people who are

globally interconnected and internetworked by the Internet use their eyes

and their brains to rapidly send and receive information.

In such an intercommunicating world of individuals, truth can no longer be

suppressed or controlled by governments, and oppressed and suppressed

people worldwide have demonstrated that in the age of the Internet that

they will no longer tolerate a lack of information, access to human

energy, or voicelessness associated with having no free communications

channel.

So, in the anniversary year of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

and on July 4, the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, it seems

appropriate to create a Universal Declaration of Individual Rights which

can serve as a cornerstone of the future self-organizing structure of the

Internet, insuring that it will remain a channel for each individual to use

whenever and wherever they choose.

The vision of the Universal Declaration of Individual Access Rights to

Electromagnetic Energy Transmission Across the Internet, is that each

individual person inhabiting the world will enjoy the rights and benefits

of being able to send and receive information to and from any point to any

other point in the universe.

The Declaration:

Universal Declaration of Individual Access Rights to Electromagnetic Energy

Transmission across the Internet (iACCESS(r) RIGHTS(tm)

We the people, do recognize that we individually have the right to seek

truth and other benefits wherever we feel that we might find them.

We the people, do recognize that we individually have the right to send our

electromagnetic energy freely across the electromagnetic transmission

medium called the Internet.

We the people, do recognize that we individually have the right to protect

ourselves from any electromagnetic energy delivered across the

electromagnetic transmission spectrum which we feel is unhealthy or

offensive to ourselves or our families.

We the people, do recognize that we each are the individual owner of a

unique sensory management system called a human brain which we each use so

that we survive, procreate, work, educate ourselves and our children, seek

and attain contentment and peace, individually, and therefore,

collectively.

We the people, do recognize that our brain receives energy from various

channels. One form of energy is photons which represent useful information

which is processed at the eye's retina, the eye channel(tm), before being

transmitted electrochemically for our understanding. Other forms of energy

channels are the nerves which deliver sound, smell, and taste to our brain.

Each form of individual energy channel can be called an i(r)Channel(r).

We the people, do recognize that the Internet is universally an open and

accessible transmission system for energy which is created, sent, and

received by individual human beings, and therefore, it is a form of

communications medium, just like air which contains the necessary oxygen

which we breathe to sustain life. Without air, we would not be able to

breathe, nor would we be able to exist because our brain would suffocate

from a lack of oxygen. Likewise, without individual access to the

electromagnetic energy transmitted across the Internet, the intellectual

capacity of our brain would suffer from a lack of access to information

available universally through the Internet.

We the people, do recognize that we have the individual right to choose any

access provider to provide us with access to individually created human

energy across the Internet.

We the people, do recognize that we have the individual right to navigate

our browser to any location or destination universally without fear of

reprisal from anyone or any organization or government.

We the people, do recognize that we have the right to freely associate with

any other person or organization universally and exchange our thoughts and

ideas for our own individual benefit, and when aggregated, for our

collective individual benefits.

We the people, do recognize that we have the right to ownership of the

creative efforts which we have chosen to protect as our own property, and

the right to protection from intellectual property thieves. This right

stems from the law of physics which recognizes that electromagnetic energy

is generated from individual human effort, education, training, and has an

associated cost. Electromagnetic energy transmitted across networks

recognizes no geographic nor organizational boundaries. Therefore, from

the time of intellectual property protection, we individually have the

right to have our property protected worldwide, because if it were not

protected, then the electromagnetic energy transmitted worldwide would be a

channel for stealing intellectual property.

(c) Copyright, 1998. Stephen J. Page. All Rights Reserved.

(This copyright is applied merely to identify the source of authorship.

Feel free to distribute this anywhere, through any channel or medium, so

long as the copyright mark is attached.)

Background of the Author

Please refer to archives of DNS@ntia.doc.gov for previous submissions.

Appendix B Supporting Position for Privatizing the Internet in the Same

Method of Privatizing Presidio Park Assets (Differing from the Concept of

Internet/Presidio Self-Regulation)

>At 12:25 PM 10/7/98 -0400, Dr.Milton Mueller wrote:

>>Before the House Committee on Basic Research

>>October 7, 1998

>>

>>Mr. Chairman:

>>The White Paper process has not been a total failure, but it has

>>suffered from a serious conceptual error.

>>

>>When it issued the White Paper, the Clinton administration announced

>>that "self-regulation" by industry rather than direct government

>>intervention would solve the problem of moving the Internet into the

>>private sector. Whatever one thinks of the philosophy of ìindustry

>>self-regulation,î it is apparent now that it is counterproductive to

>>frame the Internet transition in this way.

>>

>>What is really going on--or what is supposed to be going on--is a

>>process of privatization, not ìindustry self-regulation.î That is, the

>>government is supposed to be transferring processes and resources that

>>it created and funded to the private sector. There is, in fact, no

>>pre-existing ìprivate sectorî in Internet address allocation or domain

>>name root server operation to regulate itself; these processes have

>>been created and monopolized by the US government, and developed in

>>other countries informally by governmental and educational

>>institutions. It seems odd that at this late stage of the game one

>>would find it necessary to re-assert this fact.

>>

>>The inapplicability of the "industry self-regulation" model is

>>apparent at a glance. The two biggest players in the White Paper

>>process have been Jon Postelís IANA, the DARPA contractor that

>>controls address assignments, and Network Solutions Inc. (NSI), the

>>National Science Foundation contractor that controls the name space

>>and root servers. By abdicating responsibility for the transition to a

>>mythical ìprivate sector,î the White Paper in effect asked these two

>>organizations to define the terms of their own privatization. The

>>participation of private sector interests eventually degenerated into

>>a process by which various commercial interests lined up behind one of

>>these two government contractors. The parameters of the debate were

>>set by what was or was not acceptable to IANA or NSI.

>>

>>IANA in particular insisted upon defining the terms of the transition

>>in a way that maintained its own control. From day one, it developed

>>its own draft articles that located the organization in southern

>>California and was plainly meant to make the existing IANA staff the

>>core of the new organization. IANA did not put this draft before the

>>International Forum on the White Paper (IFWP) as a submission to be

>>considered and negotiated alongside others before the IFWP. Instead,

>>it set up its own, one-way process through which people could comment

>>on its proposals and it could, at its own discretion, decide whether

>>to use or ignore the suggestions. In order to develop support for its

>>own proposals, IANA leveraged its longstanding connections to the IETF

>>and to Internet administrators around the world, and drew upon the

>>political alliances that developed out of the ill-fated and notorious

>>gTLD-MoU. In the final stages of the IFWP process, IANA effectively

>>destroyed any opportunity for a consensual compromise by refusing to

>>participate in a final negotiating session. One can only ask: by what

>>right does a government contractor set itself up as a

>>quasi-governmental authority with the power to hold proceedings on how

>>to privatize its own functions?

>>

>>NSI, for its part, did participate fully and openly in the IFWP

>>proceedings and did not adopt the unilateralist model of IANA. But in

>>the final analysis, the IFWP process was inherently incapable of

>>resolving any of the outstanding issues involving NSI. This was true

>>simply because every serious issue about NSI revolved around the terms

>>of contracts between NSI and the US government. In the negotiation of

>>those contracts, IFWP simply had no standing. For this reason alone,

>>the ìindustry self-regulationî model made no sense.

>>

>>On the positive side, the IFWP did an excellent job of mobilizing

>>hundreds of idealistic and independent participants from every

>>continent. These activists, who came from the Internet Service

>>Provider (ISP) industry, public interest groups, academia, law firms,

>>and electronic commerce interests from all over the world, did manage

>>to come up with various proposals and consensus points that can guide

>>the US Government in its final determination. Most notable in this

>>regard are the articles of incorporation and by-laws of the Boston

>>Working Group. (See http://www.mama-tech.com/boston/) Also worthy of

>>note are the proposals of the EuroISPA Association (See

>>http://www.euroispa.org/papers/icann.articles.03.html) Both of these

>>proposals were produced by independent actors with no economic or

>>political relationship to either IANA or NSI, and while their models

>>differ in certain respects it may be possible to reconcile them.

>>

Appendix C Sustainable Governance

>Mikki Barry wrote:

>

>>While I agree that this is rather important, there is also the issue of the

>>actual corporate structure and framework. I'm personally very concerned that

>>if the new IANA is indeed a non profit corporation under the standard US

>>model, it will have much less accountability to shareholders (or stakeholders)

>>and no real requirement for open meetings and records. That is going to be

>>one of the issues I'm sure will be discussed at GIAW.

>

>Steve:

> That's the same comment Lawrence Lessig had when apparently

>speaking about yesterday in New York (see bottom of page).

> If one uses the idea of "governance" as in Constitutional

>governance as a framework, we need to look at setting things up in a way to

>protect the rights and freedoms of individuals FIRST, while serving the

>society as a whole. (A society is only a large number of individuals, so

>protecting the rights of individuals should be foremost in our minds.)

>This can be done by recognizing that all individuals (regardless of

>non-attendance at the meeting) are stakeholders in the process.

> Contrast this approach to the approach of IANA, summarized by the

>comments at the top of www.iana.org's transitional web page:

>

> "Dedicated to preserving the central coordinating functions

>of the

> global

> Internet for the public good."

>

>Some fundamental questions to be asked at the Giaw and by the to-be-named

>Board of Directors of IANA and others:

>

>1.Where has U.S. Govt has given IANA the right to be 'dedicated to

>preserving the coordinating...'?

>

>2.Does "central coordinating functions" mean "government"? If so, where is

>that stated? Who gave it?

>

>3.Where's the framework supporting the protections of rights and freedoms

>recognized in U.S. Const?

>

>4.What does the "public good" mean? Is it defined anywhere?

>

>5.Who defines "public"? Is it a global public or is it a

>geography-dependent public?

>

>6.Whose public does this refer to? American? German? Swedish? Albanian?

>Who decides?

>

>7.Who participates in determining what is "good" for the public? How is

>the input received?

>

>8. What if the "public good" clashes with one individual's "good". (The

>classic conflict of 'individual' versus the 'state'.) Who decides the

>outcome of that clash? U.S. law? Chinese law?

>

>9.What will be the relationship between IANA and Internic? NSI? How will

>that change from the past?

>

>10.Is IANA, as a quasi-governing entity, allowed to own property?

>Intellectual property? Addresses?

>

>11. How does that differ from IANA's owning property in the past?

>Intellectual property? Addresses?

>

>12.If so, under what jurisdiction does IANA have these rights?

>

>13. If IANA will function as a quasi-governing body, what happens if IANA

>asserts ownership of property which "for the public good" when it is owned

>by an individual or a corporation? (it competes)

>

>14. Does IANA have the right to "eminent domain" of property "for the

>public good"?

>

>15. If so, from which document does that right flow? Is there recourse to

>individuals/companies?

>

><snip>

>Mikki:

>If there is need for policy people at this time,

>>I'd certainly consider it. I still think that the overall framework needs to

>>be discussed first however.

>

>Steve:

> The framework, as Dr. Lessig points out, exists, but is apparently

>going to be ignored for reasons that appear pragmatic and/or political.

>The very fundamental question is this: How can the protections afforded

>individuals in the U.S. Constitution be ignored in a medium which will

>affect individuals, not only from the U.S., but from elsewhere?

>

>Mikki:

>I'm also wondering how to get the word out to

>>enough people to have a meaningful consensus. I think that definitely there

>>are some excellent minds here on newdom, but I think we need more input.

>>Thoughts?

>

>Steve:

> If the average U.S. citizen was made aware of what is happening,

>they would be dismayed. The freedoms, to own property, to be free from

>tyranny of too much power in the hands of central government, etc., have

>been recognized as being worthy of armed conflict to protect and defend.

>To just give them away makes no historical sense. Dr. Lessig is right.

>Mr. Magaziner is, once again, acting in a manner which has no sense for

>historical precedent.

>

>

>Stephen J. Page

>MBA OD BSc

>U.S. Data Highway Corp.

>usdh@ccnet.com

>T: 925-454-8624 F: 925-484-0448

>

>

>(1)

>Magaziner, Lessig Spar Over Domain Name Plan

> (06/11/98; 2:46 p.m. ET)

> By Mo Krochmal, TechWeb

>

>NEW YORK -- Ira Magaziner, the Clinton administration's point

>person on technology, said Wednesday the next few months will tell if

>the U.S. policy of letting the Internet self-regulate will work.

>

>Magaziner, who shared a forum with technology pundit Esther Dyson

>and Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Lessig, said within six months

>the federal government will know if private initiatives on Internet

>domain names are working. "If not, then we will have to review it

>again," he said.

>

> [snip]

> But Lessig disagreed, saying the implications of

>creating a special

> non-profit agency seems like a substitute for

>government, but one that

> does not have to answer to an electorate.

>

> "This is bizarre for a democracy," said Lessig. "Why

>not just carve up

> the government into private non-profit organizations

>and be done with

> it all? We are creating the most significant

>jurisdiction since the

> Louisiana purchase, and we are building it outside

>the review of the

> Constitution."

>

> Magaziner bridled at the suggestion.

>

> "In Washington, you need to act," Magaziner said.

>"The contracts

> were up in September and we couldn't let the

>Internet dissolve. You

> have to do something."

>

>[remainder of article

>at:http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/domnam/TWB19980611S0009

Appendix D Postel at the Center of the Process, No Magaziner to Be Found

>Tony Rutkowski <amr@netmagic.com> quoting House testimony:

>>

>>Pickering: let me followup on this; how do the 9 get selected?

>> who selects the CEO?

>>

>>Sims: "I don't know how they got selected."

>>

>>Burr: (intervening) "no one in the government was involved"

>>

>>Sims: Postel was in the center of the process. I could

>> find out if necessary.

>

>

> Nobody really knows what the

> heck Mr. Postel is doing? Is

> that what I'm reading here?

> And why wasn't Ira Magaziner

> there in front of the committee?

> Why was no-one else presenting?

> What a travesty to have such

> an internationally significant

> process as the formation of

> IANA-2 being rubber stamped

> by US legislators with no idea

> what's happening and zero input

> from anyone outside the closed

> coven of NSI/IANA/NTIA.

>

> Bob Allisat

>

> Free Community Network . bob@fcn.net .

Appendix E

> October 8, 1998

>

>

>

>Honorable William M. Daley

>Secretary of Commerce

>c/o Karen Rose

>Office of International Affairs

>Room 471

>National Telecommunications and

> Information Administration

>United States Department of Commerce

>14th and Constitution Avenue, N.W.

>Washington, D.C. 20230

>

>

> Re: Management of Internet Names and Addresses

>

>

>Dear Secretary Daley:

>

>On June 5, 1998, the National Telecommunications and Information

>Administration ("NTIA") of the United States Department of Commerce

>issued a policy statement, commonly known as the "White Paper," in

>which NTIA called on private sector Internet stakeholders to form a

>not-for-profit corporation to administer policy for the Internet name

>and address system. Since that time, people all over the world have

>been working diligently to meet NTIA's challenge.

>

>While some may claim to have reached that goal, the members of the

>Open Root Server Confederation (Open-RSC) believe that the process has

>gone astray. To highlight our concerns, we refer you to the press

>release issued June 5, 1998 titled "COMMERCE DEPARTMENT RELEASES

>POLICY STATEMENT ON THE INTERNET DOMAIN NAME SYSTEM." In that

>release, Becky Burr said:

>

>" . . . the policy statement describes a process whereby a new,

>not-for-profit corporation formed by the private sector would assume

>various responsibilities for DNS administration that are now performed

>by or on behalf of the U.S. Government, or by third parties under

>agreements with the U.S. Government. We invite Internet stakeholders

>from around the world to work together to form this new entity."

>

>She also said: "We are looking for a globally and functionally

>representative organization, operated on the basis of sound and

>transparent processes that protect against capture by self-interested

>factions, and that provides robust, professional management. The new

>entity's processes need to be fair, open, and pro-competitive. And the

>new entity needs to have a mechanism for evolving to reflect changes

>in the constituency of Internet stakeholders."

>

>In response to these comments, a sectorally and geographically diverse

>group of Internet stakeholders came together under the IFWP banner

>(The International Forum on the White Paper). These stakeholders met

>at assorted venues throughout the world, and the result was a series

>of consensus points for the new corporation.

>

>Several weeks ago, the IFWP process broke down as many of the original

>supporters decided to negotiate directly with the IANA. The result

>was the ICANN draft, a draft that is in our opinion, deficient in the

>following ways:

>

> - The draft was finalized behind closed doors.

>

> - The draft does not include many of the consensus points from the

> IFWP process.

>

> - The interim board suggested by the draft was presented without any

> open nomination process or discussion.

>

> - It fails to meet Ira Magaziner's mandate of accountability, as the

> ICANN board is only accountable to itself.

>

> - It fails to meet the terms as stated by Becky Burr, specifically

> the desire for sound and transparent processes, protection against

> capture, and fair, open and pro-competitive processes.

>

>The transfer of Internet assets and authority from the U.S. Government

>to this New Corporation represents a major departure for the private

>administration of a global resource. And if we were only talking

>about Internet resources, the ICANN draft might be sufficient. The

>truth of the matter is, however, that the New Corp will be making

>public policy decisions as well as administrative decisions. Diverse

>issues like free speech, access, and privacy will all be affected by

>decision made by the New Corp. It is for these reasons that Open Root

>Server Confederation, Inc. (Open-RSC) hereby and respectfully submits

>our proposal for the New Corp. Our proposal is designed to be a peer

>proposal to the already submitted IANA/BGW/Haubens proposals to

>provide another point of view for NTIA consideration in the process of

>melding all the submitted proposals into a final result.

From: Stephen Page <ichannel@home.com>

To: NTIA.NTIAHQ(dnspolicy),NTIADC40.SMTP40("usdh@ccnet...

Date: 10/12/98 3:33am

Subject: Addenda 2 Comments of Stephen J. Page

Appendix F Science, the Presidio, and Self-Governance Concepts

Subject:

Re: Sustainable Self-Government (was Re: Farber on

self-governance)

Date:

Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:22:39 -0700 (PDT)

From:

usdh@mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (steve)

To:

ichannel@home.com

>June 16, 1998

>

>TO: Will Rodger, Dave Farber, and whom it may concern

>FROM: Stephen J. Page, OD, MBA, Network Systems Analyst: Photonic, Bio,

>Econ, Politico, Social

>

>RE: Sustainable Self-Government

>

>(Excerpted from "The Pathway to Self-Governance, a Continuous 'Visual

>Pathway' Feedback Loop: Photons, Eyes, Vision, Perception, Cognition,

>Individual Action, Collective Action, and Continuous Improvement presented

>as New Photons")

>

>Dear Will,

> Regarding the comments of Mr. Farber which you have forwarded,

>below, I have my own comments which I will make after introducing his

>paragraphs in order (below):

>

>Dave Farber writes:

>>Ever since, and even before, the issuance of the DNS White Paper, there has

>>been a flurry of plans to hold meetings to establish the organization that

>>was proposed in the paper. While that is of course great, unfortunately the

>>meetings are viewed by many as a battle to establish supremacy and

>>ownership of the new organization. They are not only uncoordinated but they

>>often slam the others as fakes, setups by the establishment (whichever

>>establishment you want) etc.

>

>Steve:

> Mr. Farber's warning, given from someone well-respected as a

>scientist and researcher, laments the fact that the proposed meetings are

>"'viewed by many' as a battle to establish supremacy and ownership of the

>new organization".

> It is important to note Mr. Farber's own tag-line at the bottom of

>his response: "Photons have neither morals nor visas" -- Dave Farber

>1994. Photons may not have morals nor visas, but the organization that is

>being created will only allow a subset of all photons to exist in the

>future...those whose addresses are linked to the new organization.

>Therefore, the organization is going to essentially control the existence

>and movement of ALL photons which will pass through the medium called

>Internet.

> So, if the Big Bang (or God, or both) created all of the photonic

>energy (the superset of light or photons) which will soon be divided into

>two subsets, allowable photons and non-allowable photons, which will be

>controlled by the new corporation, it is no wonder that there is some

>concern.

> It is a combination of Mr. Farber's physics-level understanding

>applied to the organizational/political process, unsuccessfully underway

>for some time now, which is required in order for the smooth implementation

>of the self-organizing process White Paper to occur, in my opinion.

> The missing link in the process is the absence of understanding of

>the interconnection between the photons to which Mr. Farber refers, and the

>impact of those photons through the medium of the Internet, on the

>individual people who are the stakeholders in the future, controlled by the

>new corporation. The issues which need to be addressed are 1) balance

>between the opposing forces of individual self interest and the

>self-interest of those to be in power, and 2) an intellectual

>understanding of the physical truth about what is being created.

>

>Dave Farber writes:

>>I find this very unfortunate -- no very dangerous. In back of the whole

>>USG process was, I believe, the hope that the network community was mature

>>enough to take on self governance. If we blow it the result will be

>>governance by Governments with all the negatives that holds for the future

>>evolution of the net.

>>

>>What do we do. We could act grown up!! We could coordinate the meetings and

>>make it appear like we are organized. I wonder if the net establishment is

>>indeed willing to be grown up or will they fight till there is nothing left.

>

>Steve:

> Hoping that the "network community" is "mature enough" is like

>talking about any community, in general, it cannot be done in a meaningful

>way because the network community is really a compilation of individuals,

>each with their own self-interest, world view shaped by their own personal

>history. In order to focus on what is needed for governing the community,

>we need to look inward on what makes people tick inside first.

> Mr. Farber's implied threat that "if we blow it" that governments

>would negatively affect the future of Net evolution is fails to recognize

>that the essence of U.S. government is to balance the need to protect

>individuals' rights and freedoms with the need to pay for common defense,

>safety and infrastructure. What is missing today, is the protection for

>the rights and freedoms of individuals. That omission places

>self-interested individuals (humans) severely at risk over the long term

>with a new corporation which allows only a small allocated subset of all

>useable photons to flow through the medium.

>

>Dave Farber writes:

>>Personally what I would like to see is for a neutral international

>>organization to call for/coordinate a set of meetings that aim at the

>>evolution of self governance. Since the Internet is so important to the

>>evolution of the worlds science and technology I would see if the

>>Organization of National Academies of Science (not just the US) would take

>>on such a difficult task. There may be other non governmental organizations

>>who have a vested interest in a good result but have no desire or mandate

>>to benefit from a particular solution.

>

>Steve Page:

> Neutral international organization? Politically neutral? (Does

>this exist?) Economically neutral? (Does this exist?) Legally neutral?

>(Does this exist?) Neutrality is not the point.

> What needs to be created, in my opinion, is an organization with a

>"supranational charter" which is focused on *service* to the end customer,

>the individual, regardless of affiliation. It can be organized as a

>federally chartered trust, like the Presidio Trust, and it can be

>supranational in its reach affecting global photon flow, just like the

>impact of the federal reserve' system on interest rates which affect global

>economic flows. To attempt to create something new like the proposed

>corporation from existing 'neutral' organizations will be like creating

>art, by a committee.

> Science and technology organizations would definitely have an

>educational role to play in the process of building understanding of the

>need for such a solution, but science and technology orgs would be

>secondary to the role which the new organization should play in affecting

>"balance" between equal and opposing forces, politically, economically,

>geographically, culturally.

>

>Background View

> In my opinion, we are witnessing the effects of the same creative

>forces which can be recognized as creating "weather" in the environment we

>call "air" but focused on a new medium which is equally electromagnetic,

>but different...Internet, which affects us all nonetheless by the

>interaction of photons electro-chemically with our inner cognitive selves.

>

> As biological systems, human systems called 'individuals' or

>people, once exposed to the Internet equivalent of "sunlight" (the photons

>which appear like magic on an interface) use their eyes to receive the

>images on the screen where they are sent inward through our visual pathway

>to the higher level areas of the brain where the symbolic content (text,

>graphics, video, sound...) is decoded into meaningful chunks which are

>collectively processed and distributed to the appropriate part of our brain

>where the content (multimedia) can have an impact (change) on our

>individual lives.

> Like photons from the sun flowing at lightspeed through our

>atmosphere, the photons flowing through the Internet medium are constantly

>moving (changing) and affecting us as well. Our individual brain manages

>the flowing energy and its main role is to process the changing light

>energy, insuring our survival.

> Individuals who have been exposed to the Internet have been

>fundamentally impacted by what they have seen with their own two eyes over

>the past several years because the medium is controlled by them, the owners

>of the brain, and the self-directed interactors with the interface in front

>of them.

> Individuals, once exposed to its power by their own eyes regardless

>of their race, language, job, title, age, nationality can recognize their

>power to control the medium that can and will transform their own

>organizational, social, political, and economic behavior.

> It is the organization of the "photons" configured into various

>patterns and presented as data to be received by the human eyes (cameras)

>which is at stake in the self-organizing process to which Mr. Farber

>refers. The reason this process is so difficult to manage at the

>"community" level (where Mr. Farber is imploring us as a father would do to

>a child) is that our individual brains each instinctively realize that we

>each, as owners of a brain, a computer, a browser, and therefore an

>interface, control our own individual destiny (where I want to go today...)

>as we navigate the Net.

> Our brains have limitless capacity to create, address, and store

>data and information. So, it makes little sense to implement a system

>which rewards a limited addressing capability, but that is the initial

>direction we appear headed. How to evolve the system in a manner which

>allows diversity and inclusion of all varieties of addressing systems to

>flourish should be our long term goal.

>

>

>Stephen J. Page

>MBA OD BSc

>email: usdh@ccnet.com

>T: 925-454-8624 F: 925-454-8624

>

>

>Background of the Commentator: Refer to DNS responses of Dr. Page to

>DNS@NTIA.DOC.GOV.

>

>(c) Copyright, 1998. Stephen J. Page. All Rights Reserved.

>

>

>

>

>>Below is a statement from Dave Farber, EFF board member, distinguished

>>computer scientist at the University of Pennsylvania and all-around Net

>>Savant.

>>

>>Surely readers of this list will heed his warning.

>>

>>

>>Delivered-To: ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com

>>X-Sender: farber@linc.cis.upenn.edu

>>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1

>>Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:44:29 +0900

>>To: ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com

>>From: Dave Farber <farber@cis.upenn.edu>

>>Subject: IP: Self Governance -- to be or not to be

>>Sender: owner-ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com

>>Reply-To: farber@cis.upenn.edu

>>

>>Ever since, and even before, the issuance of the DNS White Paper, there has

>>been a flurry of plans to hold meetings to establish the organization that

>>was proposed in the paper. While that is of course great, unfortunately the

>>meetings are viewed by many as a battle to establish supremacy and

>>ownership of the new organization. They are not only uncoordinated but they

>>often slam the others as fakes, setups by the establishment (whichever

>>establishment you want) etc.

>>

>>I find this very unfortunate -- no very dangerous. In back of the whole

>>USG process was, I believe, the hope that the "network community" was mature

>>enough to take on self governance. If we blow it the result will be

>>governance by Governments with all the negatives that holds for the future

>>evolution of the net.

>>

>>What do we do. We could act grown up!! We could coordinate the meetings and

>>make it appear like we are organized. I wonder if the net establishment is

>>indeed willing to be grown up or will they fight till there is nothing left.

>>

>>Personally what I would like to see is for a neutral international

>>organization to call for/coordinate a set of meetings that aim at the

>>evolution of self governance. Since the Internet is so important to the

>>evolution of the worlds science and technology I would see if the

>>Organization of National Academies of Science (not just the US) would take

>>on such a difficult task. There may be other non governmental organizations

>>who have a vested interest in a good result but have no desire or mandate

>>to benefit from a particular solution.

>>

>>I will help as i can.

>>

>>Dave

>>

>>"Photons have neither morals nor visas" -- Dave Farber 1994

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Will Rodger Voice: +1 202-408-7027

>>Washington Bureau Chief Fax: +1 202-789-2036

>>Inter@ctive Week http://www.interactiveweek.com

>>A Ziff-Davis Publication http://www.zdnn.com

>>PGP 5.0: 584D FD11 3035 0EC2 B35C AB16 D660 293F C7BE 3F62

Appendix G The Internet Channel, a Trust

>

>June 30, 1998

>

>TO: Attendees of the GIAW, Reston, Virginia July 1-2, 1998

>FROM: Dr. Stephen J. Page, virtual attendee T: 925-454-8624 F: 925-484-0448

>email: usdh@ccnet.com

>

>RE: Draft Proposal for The Internet Electromagnetic Channel (THE i

>CHANNEL(r) Energy Transmission Trust, a Scientific Foundation for Building

>Administrative Cooperation and Marketplace Competition, Version 1.0

>

>Brief Introduction:

>My apologies for any grammar errors or misspellings in the document below,

>but this was put together late one the evening of June 30, 1998, in

>preparation for the conference tomorrow. It is meant to be used as one

>person's idea about how things should be structured in a manner which

>recognizes the universal role of God's laws in affecting all things in

>nature, and our inseparability from them. The thrust is on applying the

>principles of science with the need for organization and order on the

>Internet for its successful growth and evolution, with an emphasis on the

>individual person and internet user.

>

>Consistent with the lessons shared by global leaders, most notably Mrs.

>Margaret Thatcher of Great Britain during a recent conference at George

>Mason University this past week, the role of science should play a central

>part in helping human beings bring future order to the Internet in the 21st

>Century.

>

>The Internet is an electromagnetic energy channel which enables individuals

>to transform human energy into photons which travel from them through their

>computer to any connected point on the Net to any other connected point on

>the Net where they are presented for viewing by the receiver of the

>information. The laws which govern the flow of energy from are the laws

>of physics.

>

>For the energy to be transformed and understood from one person to another,

>a language must serve as the common denominator. Spoken, written, visual,

>or sign language represent different forms of communicating between human

>beings.

>

>Each person, as owner of their brain, owns the capability to communicate

>among all members of the species, homo sapiens. The right of each person

>to communicate is a right recognized as a law of science in nature, which

>increasingly recognizes each member of a given species is able to

>communicate with other members of the same species.

>

>The Internet is one of many communications media channels available for

>communications to human beings. It is the only worldwide electromagnetic

>communications media available to human beings which is controlled by the

>individual user.

>

>At the center of the Internet lies a service which organizes a database of

>addresses which use language to map human language (domain names) into a

>form which allows a person using one computer to identify a person or

>location using another computer (IP addresses).

>

>This domain naming database has been controlled and maintained by IANA as a

>command and control function of the U.S. Government's Department of

>Defense'. As the Internet has grown, the IANA is no longer a function

>appropriate for a command and control organization. The U.S.

>government-inspired Green Paper and White Paper have created a stimulus to

>begin the transition of the IANA to a non-profit organization.

>

>The GIAW conference is designed to create a mechanism where individual

>input can be used to help shape the future role of IANA in bringing order

>and the rule of law to the Internet.

>

>General Principles:

>In a command and control organization, like the military or like

>traditional government, the power flows from the top of the organization,

>down. In a situation where there exists no organization of individually

>empowered persons, empowered with Internet browsers, any potential

>organization represents a flow of power from the bottom up. In such a

>situation, with the user control over the browser, the Internet is a

>decentralized empowerment enabler of individuals into a unified structure.

>Each person has as much power to use their individual energy for their own

>purpose, as any other. Therefore, the Internet presently operates as an

>informal electromagnetic energy transmission cooperative.

>

>As such, the Internet is a medium whose actual organizational structure is

>consistent with cooperation, the same cooperation used by any two

>individuals when they communicate face-to-face. Internet connections from

>one party to another can be viewed as being the equivalent as a

>conversation between two people in one room.

>

>As recognized in natural law, conversations between any two people are

>recognized to be allowed by the law of physics to occur. Similarly, with

>respect to the internet, conversations between any two internet users (or

>between two unique addressed individuals), are needed to be formally

>recognized to be allowed by the law of physics which governs the flow of

>photons and electrons, to occur.

>

>Specific Principles:

>Therefore, all persons are recognized to be the sources of unique,

>individually generated human energy, which they can control, and which can

>be used for their own purposes. Their purposes might be to send their

>energy to another (either uniquely protected intellectual property, or

>generically), or to receive energy from others, in the form of web pages,

>email, digital pictures, (either uniquely protected intellectual property,

>or generically).

>

>As is recognized to be a law of science (God's law), the rights and

>freedoms of individuals to speak freely, to own property, and to be

>protected from the tyranny which is the result of unbridled power

>concentrated into the hands of others, should be recognized to be

>applicable to the Internet medium.

>

>As the address-center of the Internet, the IANA has a major responsibility

>to enable three services for all Internet users: IS (information

>services), RS (registry services), DS (data services).

>

>These same functions are maintained and provided by the brains of each

>individual person. Information services are provided by the pathways &

>sensory channels of the brain (eyes, ears, nose, throat, skin) which

>connect to the cortical cells. Registry services are provided when the

>cortical cells are stimulated electrochemically by input from other cells

>or from the external environment. Data services are provided by the areas

>of the brain which store the raw data for later retrieval.

>

>As the individual human brain is structured in a manner which is unified

>and subject to the laws of nature, enclosed in one constantly learning,

>growing, and scaling system, so then must IANA be the coordinating body for

>the learning, growing, and expanding system called the Internet. As each

>cell functions in the human brain as a necessary part of a unified whole,

>so does each person function on the Internet as a necessary part of a

>unified whole.

>

>The Vision of IANA's Leadership:

>The Internet functions as an informal unified whole, although without a

>formal recognition of the cooperation of each individual. The GIAW

>provides the first opportunity to formally recognize the unity of all

>cooperating parties, which already physically exists. As one body of

>interconnected physical beings, functioning just like cells in a body, the

>Internet's users are interconnected beings who implicitly agree to

>cooperate with one another for mutual benefit. As such, the structure

>which is in harmony with this cooperation is either a cooperative, a mutual

>benefit association, or a union. All three structures represent the same

>principle.

>

>However, superceding all of these structures is the law of physics which

>governs the actual movement of the energy between all points on the

>Internet. This law may seem so obvious that it is overlooked in the

>interest of trying to meet the operational deadline of Sept. 30, 1998.

>

>It is the recognition that the aggregage flow of all humanly created energy

>is a result of the cooperation of each individual user, so therefore each

>user is an equal stakeholder in the generation and consumption of the

>energy. So, whether the structure of participation is a coop, mutual

>benefit corp, or a union, the common denominator among all individuals

>regardless of location, is the requirement for open access to the energy

>available through the Internet.

>

>Therefore, so that all people, present and future, can benefit from the

>cooperative energy represented by the Internet, a Trust should be formed

>which protects the rights of all persons to have access to the information,

>and enables them to have an equal voice as one of the many unique

>stakeholders on the Net.

>

>There needs to be a symbol which is useful to describe both the essence of

>the individual stakeholder, the essence of the Internet (energy), and the

>principle of unity which has never before been formalized.

>

>IANA needs to be structured to provide service to all users of each of the

>three distinct services, IS, RS, and DS, as integrated elements of the

>whole Internet.

>

>Specific Points toward Building Unity:

>Incorporate a trust, similar in structure to the Presidio of San Francisco,

>called

>The proposed symbol to be the Internet Electromagnetic Energy Channel Trust.

>

>Choose the symbol "i" as the symbol for the Trust, representing the

>organization's focus on service to "i"ndividuals, which will reflect the

>values of the trust (or IANA). (The i(r) symbol is registered with the

>U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for "Providing multiple user access to a

>global computer information network for the transfer and dissemination of a

>wide range of information.") The symbol will be licensed by myself to the

>Trust in exchange for providing information and data services in

>conjunction with IANA.

>

>The name of the trust, Internet Electromagnetic Energy Channel Trust, can

>be abbreviated THE i(r) CHANNEL(r), for marketing and promotional purposes,

>for worldwide inclusion.

>

>IANA has already been notified that the secondary domain names which have

>been reserved:

>"i.com", and "i.org" are intended to be activated by the Trust so that the

>performance of information services (IS) will be more simple, consistent,

>and logically linked to the principle of service to "i"ndividuals.

>(Secondary address possibilities are thei.com, thei.org.)

>

>Internic has already been notified of the Intent to Register "i.edu" for

>"Providing multiple user access to a global computer information network

>for the transfer and dissemination of a wide range of EDUCATIONAL

>information."

>

>www.NIC.GOV has already been notified of the intent to register "i.gov" for

>"Providing multiple user access to a global computer information network

>for the transfer and dissemination of a wide range of GOVERNMENTAL

>information."

>

>For those traditionalists who see no value in providing "value-added

>information services", the generic form of information service, NIC, will

>continue to suffice. "i(r)" related addresses, will be able to offer users

>a choice of sources for information from one centralized, yet protected,

>source, IANA (or the Trust).

>

>Summary of the Proposal

>The absence of an Information Service (IS) which builds Intellectual

>Infrastructure required for an involved and educated global citizenry is

>very apparent. The funding stream was created, but nobody at IANA or

>Internic seemed to know what to do with the money.

>

>The focus on the structuring of IANA has been on the struggle between the

>forces of control (top down) and the forces of self-organization (bottom

>up). The focus should have been on what exists in nature, and how we can

>best harmonize with nature.

>

>By focusing on separating the IS, RS, and the DS functions, and doing so

>with the protection of a trust, the law of nature's role in ordering the

>flow of electrochemical and electromagnetic energy becomes the governing

>law which supercedes all manmade law.

>

>Once recognized as being God's law or the law of science in action, the

>formalization of the cooperation which already exists between Internet

>users, naturally follows.

>

>Virtually Participating in the GIAW

>Dr.Stephen J. Page

>MBA OD BSc

>an Individual Citizen of the U.S.

>T: 925-454-8624 F: 925-484-0448

>email: usdh@ccnet.com

>

>(c) Copyright, 1998. Stephen J. Page. All Rights Reserved.

From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>

To: NTIADC40.SMTP40("list@ifwp.org")

Date: 10/11/98 11:24am

Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: Delicate balance

Jim and all,

Jim Dixon wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Pete Farmer wrote:

>

> > 3. I do not agree with the BWG or the ORSC that all Board seats shold be

> > 'at large' seats (i.e. that SOs should not each have a designated number

> > of seats). I believe that it is important that the Board include

> > representatives from key areas regarding the Internet naming and address

> > system.

>

> There are at least two possibilities. First, have board members

> appointed by service organizations like RIPE, ARIN, and APNIC. Second,

> have them appointed by the customers of these service organizations.

> The customers, especially the larger customers, understand the

> technical issues as well as the service organizations.

THis is a fine idea indeed if and when there is an Individual Membership

bywhich these representatives can be approved by majority vote. Anything less

is not representative of ALL of the Stakeholders and cannot by definition

be open, Transparent, and accountable. And in addition cannot be in

compliance with the requirements of the White Paper.

>

>

> The regional IP address registries -- RIPE, ARIN, and APNIC -- do a

> good job of impartially administering the IP address space.

Say you maybe. Many small ISP's and other Stakeholders would and havealready

disagreed with you. Just review the ISP/C public statement for further

details.

> Converting

> them into representative bodies adds a large element of politics to

> their operations. This puts their impartiality very much at risk and

> therefore risks destroying something that works in the name of ...

> exactly what? What is the advantage of putting SO representatives on

> the board of the new corporation, as opposed to letting those who

> use IANA's services choose their own representatives?

Even better would to be let those that are interested in these Board

Seatspublicly announce the candidacy and allow the SO's and the Individual

Membership Organization vote for whom they believe is the best candidate.

>

>

> > Having a mixture of Board members from SOs, plus a significant

> > number of at-large Board members, makes for a large and possibly

> > cumbersome Board, but also one that is likely to have all concerns

> > represented.

>

> The simple way to have the concerns of all represented is to let them

> vote directly for board members.

Exactly Jim. And that requires and Individual Membership Organization, which

theCurrent IANA Draft-5 nor any other proposal except ours provides for.

>

>

> > 4. I am among those who believe that coming up with a specific

> > membership and voting structure is problematic and cannot be coherently

> > discussed and agreed to in the short run. I believe it is appropriate,

> > under the circumstances, to charge the Interim Board with these tasks.

>

> This is a peculiar notion of what is appropriate. The nine "at large"

> members of the Interim Board have apparently been chosen for their

> ignorance of the Internet. If, as planned, nine more members are

> chosen by the SOs, does it take genius to recognize that they will

> see no need for a membership?

Nope it sure doesn't. And that is what has been the obvious flaw with

theIANA's Draft-5 proposal and all the subsequent proposals from the IANA.

>

>

> --

> Jim Dixon Managing Director

> VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.

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From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>

To: NTIADC40.SMTP40("list@ifwp.org")

Date: 10/11/98 3:23pm

Subject: The white paper lied: How Postel got his lawyer and ICANN Its by

Eric and all,

Eric Weisberg wrote:

> I assume your questions were directed to me. I speak for the Boston Working

> Group in what follows.

I didn't know that you were the BWG's spokesman. Thank you for informingus of

this. >;)

>

>

> J Dabeau wrote:

>

> > As I understand it there are still two proposals on the table open for

> > comment. The Boston Working Group's (BWG) document is basically a derivative

> > of the ICCAN document.

>

> But different in significant ways. The BWG adds a statement of guiding

> principles calling for fair, open, transparent and "due" processes as well as

> mechanisms to accomplish those purposes; requires that the organization be

> accountable to a membership; only allows the special interests to control one

> house of the bi-cameral government; allows the hired manager to attend board

> meetings but not serve as a board member; adds provisions guaranteeing financial

> planing and accountability; provides for a wrap up meeting of the IFWP

> participants to determine our consensus on the remaining issues; and elects the

> initial board by a vote of the IFWP participants (which is an open membership

> group which has been meeting in all corners of the globe and discussing these

> issues on-line for the past fivemonths) instead of allowing the government

> contractor with the most to gain or lose by this process to appoint that board

> as is the case of the IANA/ICANN proposal.

Yes the BWG's draft proposal is a certain improvement in the ways in which you

mentionhere Eric, unfortunately it was not a plan that our organization's could

support in that

it doesn't provide for well enough for some specific areas which we have outlined

several times on this very list and attempted to point our specifically on several

occasions. The two most important areas was the election of the Initial Board,

selection of SO's, and Initial Individual Membership Organization, and a Hearing

board to be connived by that Initial Individual Membership Organization to be

selected at random in the case there is a need for consideration of the removal of

a Board members for some reason. In addition the BWG proposal does not provide

for startup and long term funding specifically as our proposal does.

The INEG. INC. proposal, which enjoys the support of some 24,000+

individuals and some 300+ companies and organizations provides for an

Initial Individual Membership Organization, that includes a voting mechanism.

It also provides for a "Hearing Committee" that can be established should the

need arise that an Board member be reviewed for possible removal to insure

fairness and accountability in such an instance. the INEG. INC. proposal

also enjoys the need for initial funding of the ICANN from private sources

in the form of an Self-perpetuating non-revocable blind trust that is currently

funded with some $25m presently.

See: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/proposals/comments/10-05-98.htm

For further details.

>

>

> > The decision is to be made by the Commerce Dept.

> > following comments, but it appears that the ICCAN document will be chosen.

>

> Unfortunately, true.

Agreed. Lets hope that the US Congress will see that the IANA's Draft-5is

inadequate given other proposals that have been subbmitted.

>

>

> > Regarding the selection of board members, the half of the board known as the

> > House, which is to represent the Internet at large, has as one of its

> > primary functions the responsibility to figure out how to have an at large

> > vote for their successors.

>

> This is a characterization with which I disagree. Under the IANA's ICANN

> proposal, there will be at least three independent corporations which are not

> under the entity's direct control. These independent corporations (which the

> IANA proposal calls "Supporting Organizations" or "SOs") have the sole power

> to generate legislation for consideration by the entity. Those organizations

> will be made up by the special interests the entity is supposed to govern,

> especially in the area of pricing.I refer to those "Supporting Organizations" as

> the house(s). They are very powerful just by virtue of this exclusive right to

> originate legislation.

Yes and this is a very dangerous and is very possible subject to capture by

thosevery same special interest groups. It is for this reason, amongst others that

we

believe that an Initial Individual Membership Organization is necessary.

>

>

> However, the ICANN plan gives them (and the special interests they represent)

> overwhelming control of the "Senate" or board of the entity, as well. The

> IANA/ICANN proposal provides for the special interests to name nine members or

> half the board which is charged to review the recommendations coming from the

> "house." The remaining board seats would be divided, in some as yet undefined

> manner between the remaining Internet stake holders and the hired CEO (who gets

> a board seat under the IANA plan but not under the BWG proposal).

>

> > Moreover, I have heard that those who were chosen did not necessarily have a

> > strong position one way or the other on the issues (or at least that such

> > opinions were either not explored or not

> > known). Apparently they were picked based on knowledge alone.

>

> That is not at all certain. All we actually know is that they were chosen by

> the IANA. The criteria for their selection is a mystery to most of us.

>

> > ... I suppose my question is, then, what would you have had them do?

>

> By them, I assume you mean Mr. Magaziner and the NTIA. They should have the

> IFWP finish the process they got us to start. The IFWP needs to hold a wrap up

> meeting and elect the initial board.

Not only should the IFWP participate in the final wrap-up meeting it should beopen

to any and all other groups with a interest as well.

>

>

> > No one has figured out how to have an at large vote,

>

> I do not know about "no one." It is very worrisome that the IANA has not

> figured it out and the U.S. Government is allegedly accepting that "ignorance"

> as an excuse.

Well the IANA nor the NTIA or the US Commerce department canclaim ignorance as we

have been updating them for several months now

of the happenings that have been going on. Not can the IANA make this claim

either as the same information has been directed to their Comments E-Mail

address, should they care to review them.

>

>

> > most Net users do not know that there is a controversy at all... What is your

> > solution?

>

> The Boston Group has made its proposals. They are filed with the NTIA and,

> supposedly, will be given fair and equal "consideration." We need your help to

> guarantee that those proposals are actually considered and not just given lip

> service. Contact your Congressmen and file your comments with the Commerce

> Department. This is the last time we will have a chance to do this thing right.

We have done exactly this ourselves. And are doing again so now with this post.

>

>

> Eric Weisberg, Gen. Counsel

> Internet Texoma

> A proud member of the Boston Working Group

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From: Karl Denninger <karl@Denninger.Net>

To: Eric Weisberg <weisberg@texoma.net>

Date: 10/11/98 3:52pm

Subject: Re: The White Paper Lied: How Postel Got his Lawyer and ICANN Its By-laws and Board

Eric,

There is not a damn thing you, I, or anyone else can do about it short of

electronic revolution from the ground up.

That's a fact.

I wish you well in your crusade, but I'm tired of tilting at windmills.

When the users of the Internet start DEMANDING that this be changed, and

start being willing to IGNORE the IANA, its root servers, and the captive

address monopolies (yes, this includes activism, reprogramming roots, even

setting up a parallel infrastructure if you must!) then come talk to me.

Until the USERS of the Internet want it changed, and will do what it takes

to make it change, it will not change.

CC: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv@lists.psi.co...

--

Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl

I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give

up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.

On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 02:48:11PM +0000, Eric Weisberg wrote:

> Let us not visit the sins of the brother upon his other relatives, but study the

> case in point, which has enough issues of its own RIGHT NOW, without worrying

> about November. Ira Magaziner and the Commerce Dept. are determined to give

> Internet governance to a private entity which has been created and whose board

> has been picked by the government contractor who wants a lock on his job at big

> salaries and perks for his institution, the University of Southern California.

>

> This coming Tuesday, October 13th, is the deadline for comments on that

> proposal. The contractor and the government agencies are trying to rush this

> proposal through without Congressional review. Congress is about to take its

> election year break and won't be back till it is

> fait a compli."

>

> I do not know if it is the truth, but it is alleged that the person making the

> decision is also the archetect of the plan, and he is cutting a lot of corners

> because he is in a hurry to get finished. Every one of those corners he has cut

> is in your yard instead of the contractor's. IT AIN'T GOING TO BE DEMOCRATIC

> and it isn't going to be free of cost. The entity is blatantly structured by

> and for the special interests which will be handing out the various kinds of

> tickets--names and numbers.

>

> It is purely private. We are told that it will be immune from suit, except by

> the state's Attorney General. How comforting.

>

> And, we are told we are (or soon will be) safe, despite the lack of provisions

> for membership or structural (as opposed to promisory) elements assuring fair,

> open and transparent processes or due process because the government will surely

> protect us in later negotiations.

>

> More comfort from the government (surely).

>

> So, Karl, if you want to get excited about something which is about to happen if

> you don't stop it, you might consider calling your Congressman, now, before she

> leaves Washington on Tuesday, and tell her that there is something she needs to

> look at.

>

> Let the folks at Commerce know how you feel by copying them. They are cc'd on

> this, as is Ira Magaziner, the man from the Executive Office of the President

> who is in charge of this "will be" boondoggle. So is the House Science

> Committee, through its staff counsel, Mark Harrington.

>

> And join the debate of the various proposals being considered by the IFWP as

> alternatives to the "special" deal we would otherwise get..

>

>

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From: Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>

To: NTIA.NTIAHQ(dnspolicy)

Date: 10/11/98 2:43pm

Subject: comments on the proposals for a new organization to deal with DNS and other issues

Comments on the Private Sector Proposals for a New Corporation to Manage

Internet Domain Name System Functions

Scott Bradner

Harvard University

Internet Society trustee

Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Area Director

American Registry of Internet Numbers (ARIN) trustee

Summary:

Based on a comparison of the various proposals which have been listed on

the NTIA web page as "Private Sector Proposals for a New Corporation to

Manage Internet Domain Name System Functions" and the U.S. government

White Paper "Management of Internet Names and Addresses " I've come to the

conclusion that the proposal titled "Proposal for the Internet Corporation

for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) " best implements the structure

outlined in the White Paper. This proposal, while not perfect, is true to

the spirit and rational of the White Paper while the other listed proposals

ignore the White Paper in significant ways or are technically infeasible

and would threaten the stability of the Internet.

Reviews of the proposals:

1/ Proposal for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers

(ICANN)

This proposal faithfully implements the management philosophy

defined in the White Paper. The proposal is logical and deals reasonably

with most of the specific issues. There are some areas which could use

some improvement - in particular it would be good to require that meetings

of the ICANN board and the boards of the supporting organizations be open

to the public and that the process of defining a mechanism for the

selection of future At Large Directors be done in an open forum over a

reasonable period of time. This forum should include ways for interested

parties to submit proposals and to comment on the proposals of others. In

addition the Articles of Incorporation should specifically state that the

corporation must operate on a cost recovery basis (while building up just

enough of a cash reserve to ensure stable operations)

Opening the board meetings to the public and the addition of a cost

recovery clause in the Articles should remove the worry that some

commentators have expressed that the board would levy excessive fees to the

decrement of the good of the Internet.

One other issue which should be investigated further is that of the

site of incorporation. There seem to be many people who have experience in

the general area of non-profit corporations who question the decision to

incorporate in California.

2/ Proposal of The Boston Working Group

While this proposal claims to represent an "represent an immense

constituency" it is hard to see any way in which this is true. And, in

spite of the claim that they are conveying the consensus that was reached

during the series of IFWP meetings, many of the positions which they

espouse do not represent the consensus of those meetings as I heard or

understood them to be.

But the biggest problem with the Boston Working Group's proposals

is that it eliminates the input of the technical community into the board.

This is counter to the White Paper and counter to logic. The set of issues

that the new corporation will address have major technical aspects.

Eliminating the voice of the technical community which has brought the

Internet to the prominence that it currently enjoys would threaten the

stability of the network which is becoming ever more important in the

social and economic health of the industrialized world.

3/ Proposal of Ronda Hauben

This proposal basically suggests that there is no current issue to

be solved and that the US government should slow down and initiate research

on the future of the Domain Name System. This suggestion ignores the

significant national and international pressure to move the management

of the Internet technical functions out from the direct control of the US

government. In general the proposal seems to be the work of an individual

who does not seem to have been following the discussions over the past few

years and should be dismissed as, at best, naive.

4/ Proposal of the Open Root Server Confederation (Open-RSC) .

This proposal has some of the same problems that the proposal from

the Boston Working Group does, including effectively removing the voice of

the technical community from an organization which will be mostly dealing

with issues which have a large technical component. It is also far from

clear what constituency is represented by this proposal. Up to now the

major discussions instigated by this group have been focused on a specific,

technically and operationally flawed proposal to eliminate the root of the

DNS structure and the specific proposals for bylaws seem not to have been

widely discussed. But it does note the need for more openness in board

operation than the ICANN proposal currently includes.

Conclusion:

The "Proposal for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and

Numbers (ICANN)" best represents the White Paper and should be the basis

of the new organization. It should also be noted that, at least in the

IFWP meeting that I attended and in the notes I saw from the other

meetings, there was a strong, but not unanimous, consensus that the White

Paper represented the right way to proceed. Specific details in the ICANN

proposal should be addressed to ensure openness and fiscal responsibility

but the basic plan presented by the ICANN proposal is very sound.

From: Einar Stefferud <Stef@nma.com>

To: NTIADC40.SMTP40("domain-policy@open-rsc.org")

Date: 10/12/98 1:44am

Subject: WHY DID ORSC use its ORSC name on its NTIA Proposal?

(Was: Re: Why is CORE Forming the DNSO?? (Domain Name Supporting Organ

From: Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:56:26 -0700

Thanks Kent for so profoundly misunderstanding what the ORSC Proposal

to NTIA is and what it is about. Your rather unpleasant and divisive

message is attached below for reference.

This gives me a fine opportunity to fully explain the real facts,

which you have failed to comprehend.

As several people have already stated, and I believe these points were

covered on our Proposal Cover Letter to DOC, the ORSC Proposal is a

serious proposal to stand as a peer alternataive to the ICANN

proposal. Its content stands on its own merits.

The reason that we did what we did is because it suddenly became clear

to ORSC participants that if there was not at least one other fully

complete and incorporated proposal on the table at NTIA when they

started to do their evaluation of the candidates, that they would find

themselves unable to engage in a meaningful comparative process with

only one candidate on the table.

So, we acted to gather up all the IFWP and BWG and ORSC and some other

comments and suggestions for bylaws improvement, which had been either

stripped from the ICANN proposal, or no included for some reason, and

bundled them together in a fully complete and legally incorporated

alternative. That is all we did, and the name is of no consequence.

We did not have time to change the name on the incorporated ORSC

shell, and we did not have yet another different name (YADN) in mind,

so we shipped our proposal with the name we had. The cover letter

states that we expect a new name to be chosen.

And, our cover letter made it plain that I am acting alone as the

TEMPORARY Board of Directors, which means that we have not named an

INTERIM Board of any kind, especially not myself. I am patently

incapable of doing the INTERIM BOARD job, and I expect to be replaced

prompty in the event that DOC likes and wants to use our proposal for

its content. THE CONTENT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!

So, we expect that some kind of open and fair process will follow to

select a propoer Interim Board in place of the closed selection

process used to name the ICANN Interim Board. In the meantime, as the

singular member of the ORSC BoD, I am able to act quickly to take any

actions deemed appropriate by the NTIA evaluators by holding a meeting

with myself to name a new INTERIM BOARD of modify the bylaws for good

cause in the name of finding common ground.

In any case, ORSC fully understands that our proposal may very well be

ground up in a melding process which will use the best of both

proposals that are on the table, or perhaps just taking our the added

clauses from the ORSC proposal and injecting them into the ICANN

proposal. I see no reason to get upset about what happens as long as

our proposal is given serious consideration, and we find common

ground.

We did not attempt to stop the WP process, or to break up an attempt

to find common ground, or to resolve all our differneces. We just put

politely our case on the table along with the other proposals for

consideration in what we expect to be a fair and open process of

forming the NEWCO.

If the NTIA evaluation process is not a fair and open process, I

expect everyone other than "the winner" to be very unhappy, and I

would expect a lot of loud objections to flow across the Internet.

In this case it would be entirely fair for the losers to yell "FOUL"!

So, what we are looking for is a meld, and not a single proposal

winner. This is not supposed to be a zero sum game, and ORSC is not

playing a zero sum game. We are playing a non-zero-sum game, and

hoping the the NTIA and the USGovt is also doing so, in spite of what

others may be doing.

But only time will tell at this point.

We are standing by to assist in any way that wee can.

So, I will thank you to stop putting false words in our ORSC mouth,

and we invite you to join us in seeking common ground.

But, what I see at this point is that you are continuing the old

zero-sum strategy of trying to kill off everyone else so you will be

the only one standing in the end. So, we really seriously hope that

the NEWCO that is selected will have bylaw protection against a

zero-sum selection process for the new DNSO. I will also note that

all attempts to discreidit ORSC and to kill ORSC off, have so far only

helped to make us stronger.

So, regaring your efforts to form a new DNSO, ORSC is dedicated to

working with the DNS stakeholders to find common ground and form a

properly representative bottom up organization to serve as the DNSO,

and to staff the proposed Names Council. Both are called for in our

PROOSED ORSC bylaws.

And yes, we are donating our ORSC Corp shell. If our shell is chosen

for actual use, we will be pleased to have its name changed so we can

have the name back for a new corp shell, which will take us a day or

two to register in Delaware. If it is not chosen for actual use, it

will of course remain in our custody and we will think of something

interesting and useful to do with it, like adopt bylaws for DNSO.COM.

Maybe we will use the name DNSO.COM?

Surely we will not let our US$178 shell go to utter waste!

Cheers...\Stef

From Kent Crispin's message Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:56:26 -0700:

}

[snip]...[snip]...[snip]...[snip]...[snip]...[snip]...[snip]...

}

}But of course, ORSC has committed to being NewCorp itself, now hasn't

}it -- you just submitted an application to NTIA, after all.

}

}Or was that just a joke?

}

}If it wasn't a joke, if ORSC is a serious organization, then ORSC

}clearly can't be the DNSO and NewCorp at the same time, so ORSC will

}recuse itself from participation in the formation of the DNSO.

}

}If it *is* a joke, if ORSC is just submitted its application to NTIA

}on speculation, or to be a "spoiler", or for sheer entertainment

}value, and indicates this by at the same time trying to be the nucleus

}of a DNSO, then you will be walking around with big, self-inflicted

}bullet holes in your feet -- ORSC will be exposed as a completely

}frivolous organization.

}

}Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited",

}kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke...

}PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55

}http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

From: Eric Weisberg <weisberg@texoma.net>

To: NTIADC40.SMTP40("karl@Denninger.Net")

Date: 10/11/98 10:48am

Subject: Re: The White Paper Lied: How Postel Got his Lawyer and ICANN Its By-laws and Board

Karl Denninger wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:42:27PM -0400, Gordon Cook wrote:

> > The White paper lied. Having promised an open process, Ira and Becky went

> > through a public charade and privately let a small group of insiders

> > manipulate design the ICANN and chose it's board just so long as the US

> > government was kept informed and given some powers of veto.

>

> What do you expect Gordon?

>

> EVERYTHING this administration has done has been based on a lie. Its chief

> executive has *admitted* to lying, the Chief Executive's own lawyer has

> apparently (if the news is to be believed) *admitted* to having perpetrated

> a fraud (without actual knowledge) on the court hearing the Paula Jones case

> (that is, submitting an affidavit which was false), and the chief executive

> himself has *admitted* to having lied not only to the American people, but

> everyone ELSE (including his own cabinet members!) for seven months.

>

> I gave up a few months ago when it became CLEAR to me that there was no

> accountability and no *HONESTY* in this administration. Therefore, I

> could expect nothing other than this administration's track record in

> THIS matter, including Ira Magaziner.

>

> I was not to be disappointed.

>

> My day of referendum on this administration's actions, INCLUDING those

> regarding the Internet comes in early November. I urge the rest of us who

> feel that we have been betrayed to vote ALL the Democratic bums out, and

> then charge our representatives and senators with yet another Presidential

> investigation - this one into the back-room deals on Internet governance.

Let us not visit the sins of the brother upon his other relatives, but study the

case in point, which has enough issues of its own RIGHT NOW, without worrying

about November. Ira Magaziner and the Commerce Dept. are determined to give

Internet governance to a private entity which has been created and whose board

has been picked by the government contractor who wants a lock on his job at big

salaries and perks for his institution, the University of Southern California.

This coming Tuesday, October 13th, is the deadline for comments on that

proposal. The contractor and the government agencies are trying to rush this

proposal through without Congressional review. Congress is about to take its

election year break and won't be back till it is

fait a compli."

I do not know if it is the truth, but it is alleged that the person making the

decision is also the archetect of the plan, and he is cutting a lot of corners

because he is in a hurry to get finished. Every one of those corners he has cut

is in your yard instead of the contractor's. IT AIN'T GOING TO BE DEMOCRATIC

and it isn't going to be free of cost. The entity is blatantly structured by

and for the special interests which will be handing out the various kinds of

tickets--names and numbers.

It is purely private. We are told that it will be immune from suit, except by

the state's Attorney General. How comforting.

And, we are told we are (or soon will be) safe, despite the lack of provisions

for membership or structural (as opposed to promisory) elements assuring fair,

open and transparent processes or due process because the government will surely

protect us in later negotiations.

More comfort from the government (surely).

So, Karl, if you want to get excited about something which is about to happen if

you don't stop it, you might consider calling your Congressman, now, before she

leaves Washington on Tuesday, and tell her that there is something she needs to

look at.

Let the folks at Commerce know how you feel by copying them. They are cc'd on

this, as is Ira Magaziner, the man from the Executive Office of the President

who is in charge of this "will be" boondoggle. So is the House Science

Committee, through its staff counsel, Mark Harrington.

And join the debate of the various proposals being considered by the IFWP as

alternatives to the "special" deal we would otherwise get..

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From: Eric Weisberg <weisberg@texoma.net>

To: "commerce@mail.house.gov" <commerce@mail.house.gov...

Date: 10/11/98 12:01pm

Subject: The facts and nothing but the facts

For those who do not remember Jim, he is from EuroISPA, representing 500 European

ISPs.

Is there a single contested fact in his statement? If not, what cuclusions must

be drawn? This is basic, hard proof and logic. SO control is a bizarre idea that

must be stopped at all costs. It is not only inelligant, it is unacceptable.

Jim Dixon wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Hans K. Klein wrote:

>

> > I am puzzled about how "engineers" are viewed in this governance discussion.

> > Are we assuming that they are neutral experts? And does this assumption

> > justify the bicameral Board?

> >

> > Jonathan Zittrain writes, "The IANA proposal ... could produce a ... balance

> > between the engineering communities ... and the at-large internet

> > communities."

> >

> > I interpret this as meaning that engineers from the SOs represent expertise

> > and that at-large Board members represent communities. In this view, a

>

> This is based on several serious misunderstandings. Running the Internet

> does indeed require a great deal of expertise, but that expertise does

> not necessarily reside in the SOs.

>

> Anyone running part of the Internet backbone has to have a real,

> functional understanding of most of the practical engineering

> technology involved in running the Internet. They have to know how

> to allocate address space, update RIR databases, register domain names,

> manage their internal network, run servers of various types, handle BGP4

> peering, configure routers of various types, and deal with new server

> types and protocols as they come up. This is all done 24 hours a

> day, 7 days a week.

>

> Running one of the RIRs is simply not that demanding technically.

> Basically it involves managing a database of moderate complexity

> that happens to be connected to the Internet and training people on how

> to fill in forms. You simply don't have to know all that much about

> the Internet to run a registry.

>

> There are two other possible SOs. One is the names council, which

> has yet to be defined, so it is perhaps pointless and perhaps circular

> reasoning to talk about the degree and kind of expertise that we might

> find there.

>

> The other is the IETF, which is run on a completely open basis and

> therefore might be considered designed to be packed. This is not

> meant to be a criticism of the IETF. Rather I am very concerned that

> if the IETF becomes a source of power over IANA that it will rapidly

> start being attended by people whose interest is not in engineering

> but in policy, or who are paid to be there and voice this or that

> interest.

>

> The IETF works as an organization for developing Internet protocols.

> There is very serious risk that turning it into an ICANN SO will

> create a lousy representive body and at the same time destroy it as

> an engineering body.

>

> > bicameral Board with 9 SO Directors and 9 at-large Directors would balance

> > expertise and interest (or technical accountability and community

> > accountability.) Many other comments on this list also seem to assume this

> > expertise-interest dichotomy as the basis for a bicameral board.

> >

> > Any such assumption would be seriously flawed. Engineers are themselves

> > members of Internet communities. Furthermore, they are likely to come from

> > a particular subset of the Internet communities: the firms, agencies, or

> > universities with the biggest stake in the technology. These are the ones

> > who employ engineers and possess the expertise.

> >

> > Therefore, in a bicameral Board as proposed by IANA, the 9 SO Directors will

> > not represent expertise, they will represent the groups with the most

> > immediate and direct stake in the issues.

>

> This is exactly the case. The RIRs in particular are by no means a

> locus of great Internet expertise. That expertise in largely present

> in the ISPs that operate the Internet backbone. What the RIRs are is

> a group with a great deal at stake in this process. If it goes along

> the lines that IANA wishes, the RIRs, which are now service organizations

> with ISPs as customers, suddenly become independent power centers with a

> great deal of control over their customer base.

>

> > Expertise has its place in governance, but not in driver's seat. In the US

> > government, the Library of Congress or the former OTA brought expertise to

> > governance decisions. However, they themselves did not govern. If they

> > did, you would quickly have seen government policy altered to serve the

> > interests of the Library of Congress and the OTA.

> >

> > If the proposal for a bicameral Board is based on the assumption of an

> > expertise-interest dichotomy, then it rests on flawed foundations. A

> > bicameral Board would create an institutionalized imbalance of power.

>

> It's hard to keep in focus, but the new corporation is supposed to

> replace IANA, with an absolute guarantee that it will maintain existing

> services during the transition. IANA does not govern the Internet. It

> provides a number of technical functions, most of which are aimed at

> assisting the world's ISPs in cooperating. It allocates IP address

> space through the RIRs to ISPs and then to end users. This allocation

> of distinct IP address space to distinct users is fundamental to the

> routing of traffic over the Internet backbone, most of which is operated

> by the ISPs.

>

> IANA is also responsible for the operation of the root name servers

> and the population of the root zone. While only a couple of dozen

> machines are involved (*), compared to the tens of thousands of name

> servers operated, these are used by all of the world's ISPs to

> maintain the illusion of a single global name space.

>

> These are IANA's two main real-world functions. Neither is essential

> to the operation of the Internet; the ISPs could use alternative means

> for achieving the same ends. And neither involves 'governance'.

>

> Any ICANN board should understand that what is utterly vital is

> maintaining the continuity of these simple technical services. If

> they fail in that, if they waste their time in grandiose schemes for

> Internet governance, the world's ISPs will quietly find another way

> of doing what needs done, and ICANN will fade away.

>

> --

> Jim Dixon Managing Director

> VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Member of Council Telecommunications Director

> Internet Services Providers Association EuroISPA EEIG

> http://www.ispa.org.uk http://www.euroispa.org

> tel +44 171 976 0679 tel +32 2 503 22 65

>

>

From: Eric Weisberg <weisberg@texoma.net>

To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv@lists.psi.co...

Date: 10/11/98 2:50pm

Subject: Re: The White Paper Lied: How Postel Got his Lawyer and ICANN Its By-laws and Board

I assume your questions were directed to me. I speak for the Boston Working

Group in what follows.

J Dabeau wrote:

> As I understand it there are still two proposals on the table open for

> comment. The Boston Working Group's (BWG) document is basically a derivative

> of

> the ICCAN document.

But different in significant ways. The BWG adds a statement of guiding

principles calling for fair, open, transparent and "due" processes as well as

mechanisms to accomplish those purposes; requires that the organization be

accountable to a membership; only allows the special interests to control one

house of the bi-cameral government; allows the hired manager to attend board

meetings but not serve as a board member; adds provisions guaranteeing financial

planing and accountability; provides for a wrap up meeting of the IFWP

participants to determine our consensus on the remaining issues; and elects the

initial board by a vote of the IFWP participants (which is an open membership

group which has been meeting in all corners of the globe and discussing these

issues on-line for the past fivemonths) instead of allowing the government

contractor with the most to gain or lose by this process to appoint that board

as is the case of the IANA/ICANN proposal.

> The decision is to be made by the Commerce Dept.

> following comments, but it appears that the ICCAN document will be chosen.

Unfortunately, true.

> Regarding the selection of board members, the half of the board known as the

> House, which is to represent the Internet at large, has as one of its

> primary functions the responsibility to figure out how to have an at large

> vote for their successors.

This is a characterization with which I disagree. Under the IANA's ICANN

proposal, there will be at least three independent corporations which are not

under the entity's direct control. These independent corporations (which the

IANA proposal calls "Supporting Organizations" or "SOs") have the sole power

to generate legislation for consideration by the entity. Those organizations

will be made up by the special interests the entity is supposed to govern,

especially in the area of pricing.I refer to those "Supporting Organizations" as

the house(s). They are very powerful just by virtue of this exclusive right to

originate legislation.

However, the ICANN plan gives them (and the special interests they represent)

overwhelming control of the "Senate" or board of the entity, as well. The

IANA/ICANN proposal provides for the special interests to name nine members or

half the board which is charged to review the recommendations coming from the

"house." The remaining board seats would be divided, in some as yet undefined

manner between the remaining Internet stake holders and the hired CEO (who gets

a board seat under the IANA plan but not under the BWG proposal).

> Moreover, I have heard that those who were chosen did not necessarily have a

> strong position one way or the other on the issues (or at least that such

> opinions were either not explored or not

> known). Apparently they were picked based on knowledge alone.

That is not at all certain. All we actually know is that they were chosen by

the IANA. The criteria for their selection is a mystery to most of us.

> ... I suppose my question is, then, what would you have had them do?

By them, I assume you mean Mr. Magaziner and the NTIA. They should have the

IFWP finish the process they got us to start. The IFWP needs to hold a wrap up

meeting and elect the initial board.

> No one has figured out how to have an at large vote,

I do not know about "no one." It is very worrisome that the IANA has not

figured it out and the U.S. Government is allegedly accepting that "ignorance"

as an excuse.

> most Net users do not know that there is a controversy at all... What is your

> solution?

The Boston Group has made its proposals. They are filed with the NTIA and,

supposedly, will be given fair and equal "consideration." We need your help to

guarantee that those proposals are actually considered and not just given lip

service. Contact your Congressmen and file your comments with the Commerce

Department. This is the last time we will have a chance to do this thing right.

Eric Weisberg, Gen. Counsel

Internet Texoma

A proud member of the Boston Working Group

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