FXUS63 KDDC 272017 AFDDDC AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DODGE CITY KS 315 PM CDT SUN APR 27 2003 DAYS 1-2... A VERY CHALLENGING FORECAST OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS...INCLUDING TEMPS, FOG/STRATUS, AND CONVECTION. 19Z SURFACE MAP SHOWS LOW IN MSLP FIELD SOUTH OF KCDS WITH A VORTICITY CENTER IN THE SURFACE WINDS AROUND KGAG. JUST NORTH OF THIS SFC VORT CENTER, STRATUS AND BR CONTINUE TO PLAGUE MY FORECAST AREA WITH TEMPS STEADY IN THE MID 50S. VISIBILITIES HERE IN DODGE CONTINUE TO HOVER AROUND 1SM WITH LIGHT DRIZZLE. THIS SFC LOW IS A BIT MORE ORGANIZED THAN WHAT THE ETA SUGGESTED AS MID LEVEL VORT MAX OVER NM APPEARS STRONGER ON WV LOOP THAT WHAT MODELS EARLIER SUGGESTED. THIS VORT MAX IS IN THE FAVORABLE LEFT EXIT REGION OF A POTENT SUBTROPICAL JET (STJ) NOSING INTO BAJA CALIFORNIA. THE MODELS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR UNDER-DEVELOPING THESE SYSTEMS SPUN UP BY THE STJ. UNFORTUNATELY, THESE SUBTLETIES IN THE STJ CAN LEAD TO MUCH DIFFERENT EVOLUTION OF THE MSLP AND SURFACE WIND FIELDS. THE UKMET AND GFS MODEL SEEM TO HAVE A BETTER GRASP ON THE EVOLUTION OF THE MSLP AND SFC WIND FIELDS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, AND I GENERALLY WILL FOLLOW THE OUTPUT OF THESE SOLUTIONS IN THE FCST. I HAVE BASICALLY THROWN OUT THE ETA MODEL AS IT TRIES TO BRING THE FRONT BACK NORTH TOO QUICKLY TOMORROW. AFTER DELIBERATING FOR AWHILE ABOUT THE EXPECTED EVOLUTION OF THE FRONT AND MSLP FIELD TOMORROW...AND COLLABORATION WITH SURROUNDING OFFICES (THANKS GLD, ICT, OUN, GID)...FEEL THAT HIGH TEMPS TOMORROW WILL STRUGGLE TO GET OUT OF THE 60S, AND THIS MAY BE EVEN TOO WARM. A WEAK HIGH AT THE SURFACE WILL LINGER TO MY NORTH DURING MUCH OF THE DAY TOMORROW, KEEPING SFC WINDS OUT OF THE NORTH TO NORTHEAST. AS RATHER HIGH DEWPOINTS CONTINUE TO WRAP AROUND THE SFC CIRCULATION, STRATUS WILL GO NOWHERE. I WAS ORIGINALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WIDESPREAD DENSE FOG FOR TOMORROW MORNING, HOWEVER IT NOW APPEARS THAT LOW LEVEL WINDS WILL BE MORE NORTHERLY...LESS OF AN UPSLOPE TRAJECTORY...THUS WILL LET THE SWING SHIFT EVALUATE THE SITUATION FURTHER FOR ANY FOG HEADLINES TOMORROW MORNING. WITH THE SFC FRONT EXPECTED TO BE SOUTH AND WEST OF MY AREA, SFC BASED THUNDERSTORMS WILL DEVELOP OUTSIDE OF MY CWA DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON TOMORROW. THE SFC FRONT WILL BEGIN TO LIFT BACK NORTH AS A WARM FRONT LATE IN THE EVENING TOMORROW AND HAVE ADJUSTED POPS TO 40S AND 50S IN THE LATE EVENING. MODE OF CONVECTION WILL PROBABLY BE ELEVATED MULTICELL HAILERS. GFS MODEL KEEPS LARGE MCS DEVELOPMENT WELL TO THE SOUTH...WHICH MAY BE TOO FAR SOUTH. TUESDAY WILL BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO FORECAST WITH THE SFC FRONT. BASED ON THE SLOWER EVOLUTION OF THE SFC FRONT, TUESDAY MAY BE THE BEST CHANCE FOR SURFACE BASED STORMS (POSSIBLY SEVERE) OVER SOUTHWEST KS. THE ETA MODEL SHOWS THE WARM FRONT WELL INTO SOUTHWEST NEBRASKA, WHICH WOULD KEEP MY AREA IN THE WARM AIR WITH POSSIBLE DRYLINE CONVECTION. AT THIS TIME, WILL BASE TUESDAY ON GFS EVOLUTION OF THE WARM FRONT, WHICH HAS IT THROUGH SOUTHWEST KANSAS BY LATE AFTERNOON. DAYS 3-7... LOOKING AT THE LATEST MODEL RUNS OF THE GFS AND AVN, AND THE 26/12Z VERSION OF THE ECMWF, THE LATEST THINKING IS THERE WILL BE A FRONT WALLOWING IN THE VICINITY OF THE OK/KS BORDER FROM WED INTO THURSDAY. THEN, THERE WILL BE AN UPPER SYSTEM TO CLIP THE SOUTHERN CWA SUNDAY AFTERNOON. WILL STAY WITH 30 CHANCE POPS FOR WEDNESDAY, THEN DROP TO 20 POPS ON THURSDAY. DO NOT THINK THERE WILL MUCH IN THE WAY OF PRECIP DUE TO THE ELEVATED NATURE OF MOST OF THE STORMS. SO WITH THIS IN MIND, THE GUIDANCE OF LOWER TEMPS FOR THE THURS-SAT PERIOD SUGGESTED BY THE MEX SEEMS ON TARGET. AS FOR SUNDAY, AM NOT YET CONVINCED ANY CONVECTION WILL BE IN DDC CWA, BUT PUT IN A 20 POP FOR THUNDER IN ABOUT THE SOUTHERN 2 TIER OF COUNTIES ALONG THE OKLAHOMA BORDER. .PRELIMINARY GUIDANCE FOR COORDINATION ONLY. OFFICIAL FORECASTS ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE DODGE CITY ZONE FORECAST. DDC 55 70 57 75 / 00 30 40 30 GCK 53 69 54 75 / 00 30 40 30 EHA 55 78 55 80 / 00 40 50 40 LBL 57 76 58 79 / 00 40 50 30 HYS 53 68 56 73 / 20 20 40 30 P28 60 71 58 73 / 30 20 40 30 .DDC WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... KS...NONE. $$ UMSCHEID/12