Forecast Discussions mentioning "ACARS", "MDCRS", "AIRCRAFT", "TAMDAR", or "AMDAR" received at FSL on 11/16/07


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS RENO NV
230 PM PST THU NOV 15 2007 .SHORT TERM... STUBBORN INVERSION ACROSS SOME LOWER VALLEYS THIS AFTERNOON NEAR RENO AND LOVELOCK. HOWEVER...MOST AREAS HAVE SEEN THE INVERSION LIFT FROM CARSON CITY TO FALLON AND POINTS IN THE SIERRA. WHERE THE INVERSION HAS LIFTED...HIGHS HAVE REACHED THE MID 60S TO LOWER 70S WHILE THE RENO AIRPORT SITS IN THE UPPER 50S WHILE THE FOOTHILLS ARE WELL INTO THE 60S. AS FOR THE FORECAST...DO NOT EXPECT NEARLY AS STRONG AN INVERSION TO DEVELOP TONIGHT AS THE NEXT SYSTEM MOVES INTO THE PACIFIC NW. ABUNDANT MID AND HIGH CLOUD COVER WILL MOVE INTO THE AREA BY MIDNIGHT LIMITING COOLING. SOME OF THESE CLOUDS ARE ALREADY INTO EXTREME NW NV. HAVE KEPT LOWS A FEW DEGREES ABOVE GUIDANCE TONIGHT. TOMORROW...TAIL END OF SYSTEM WILL STALL NEAR THE OREGON BORDER WITH CLOUDS HANGING AROUND MOST AREAS. WINDS ALOFT WILL NOT BE QUITE AS STRONG...AND WITH SOME SLIGHT COOLING ALOFT AND WARMER STARTING TEMPS INVERSIONS ARE MUCH LESS A CONCERN TOMORROW. A SIMILAR SCENARIO FOR FRI NIGHT AND SAT AS ANOTHER SYSTEM MOVES INTO THE NW. HOWEVER...THIS SYSTEM HAS LESS MOISTURE TO WORK WITH EVEN THOUGH IT WILL BE SLIGHTLY FURTHER SOUTH. EXPECT FEWER CLOUDS WITH A BIT MORE COOLING AT NIGHT OVER TONIGHT. WILL KEEP THE SLIGHT CHC MENTION FOR A SHOWER OR TWO NEAR THE OREGON BORDER. MAIN PLAYER WILL BE THE SYSTEM PROGGED FOR LATE SUN INTO SUNDAY NIGHT AS A STRONG RIDGE BEGINS TO BUILD IN THE EAST PACIFIC. MODELS ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT IN STRENGTH AND TIMING. EXPECT WINDS TO INCREASE ON SUNDAY...ESPECIALLY NORTH OF I-80. DO NOT EXPECT A BIG WIND EVENT BY ANY MEANS...ALTHOUGH AN ADVISORY MAY BE NECESSARY NEAR THE OREGON BORDER DURING THE AFTERNOON IF A CRITICAL LEVEL NEAR 700 MB DOES DEVELOP. THE SYSTEM IS VERY DYNAMIC BUT WILL BE LOSING ITS MOISTURE TAP AS IT MOVES IN SUNDAY NIGHT. AS A RESULT EXPECT THE BEST CHANCES OF PRECIP ACROSS THE NORTHERN THIRD OF THE AREA. EXPECT PRECIP TO HAVE NO PROBLEMS SPILLING OVER AT THIS TIME WITH STRONG FRONTOGENETICAL FORCING...WEAK STABILITY AND THE RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION OF THE ANTICYCLONICALLY CURVED JET OVER THE AREA. HAVE INCREASED POPS NORTHERN THIRD...BUT HAVE PRETTY MUCH LEFT ALONE ELSEWHERE AS THE DYNAMICS AND MOISTURE NEVER PUSH MUCH FURTHER SOUTH PER MODEL CONSENSUS FOR NOW. WALLMANN .LONG TERM...MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY... LARGE SCALE PATTERN OVERVIEW... THERE IS A BASIC CONSENSUS BETWEEN MODEL SOLUTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT OF A LARGE/COLD TROF OVER THE WRN CONUS EARLY NEXT WEEK...HOWEVER THE SOLUTIONS DIVERGE IN TERMS OF HOW PROGRESSIVE THE TROF BECOMES LATE IN THE PERIOD. 12Z GFS AND MAJORITY OF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS SHOW TROF KICKING EASTWARD WED-THU...WHILE 12Z ECMWF AND A HANDFUL OF NCEP ENS MEMBERS SEPARATE OUT WAVE ENERGY INTO TWO TROFS...WITH SECOND WAVE HELPING DEVELOP A NEAR CUTOFF OVER SOCAL/AZ. TELECONNECTIONS WITH LARGE NEGATIVE ANOMALY N OF JAPAN DONT PROVIDE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER...YIELDING SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL HEIGHTS/TEMPS OVER WRN CONUS. NCEP RELATIVE MEASURE OF PREDICTABILITY CHARTS SHOW LOW VALUES ASSOC WITH TROF...BUT IMPRESSIVELY HIGH VALUES WITH UPSTREAM RIDGE OVER NERN PACIFIC. OVERALL CONFIDENCE IS REASONABLE MONDAY BUT GOES DOWNHILL TUE-THU. WILL ASSUME THAT SOME FLAVOR OF TROFINESS WILL REMAIN THE GREAT BASIN/SW CONUS DURING THE PERIOD BUT THE EXACT STRUCTURE AM NOT SURE ABOUT. DAILY DETAILS... SHARP TROF FCST TO DROP SE INTO THE GREAT BASIN MONDAY SHOULD YIELD ISOLD SHOWERS ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE CWA...ESPECIALLY IN THE NE SECTIONS WHERE WEAKER STATIC STABILITY IS ANTICIPATED. CLOSER TO THE SIERRA...700MB FLOW TURNS MORE NELY MON NIGHT AND THERE MAY BE A WINDOW WITH SUFFICIENT MOISTURE WHERE SOME UPSLOPE -SHSN COULD DEVELOP...ESPECIALLY INTO MONO COUNTY. EITHER WAY DURING MUCH OF THE LONG TERM...TEMPERATURES WILL BE MUCH COLDER THAN NORMAL WITH 700MB TEMPS NEARING -14C TUE-THU DEPENDING ON SPECIFIC MODEL SOLUTIONS. NE FLOW WILL DEVELOP BEHIND INITIAL TROF PASSAGE...AND SPEEDS SHOULD GET PRETTY STRONG TUE-WED. BOTH GFS/ECMWF ARE SHOWING POTENTIAL FOR STRONG EAST WIND EVENT AT TAHOE SOMETIME DURING THIS PERIOD...WITH IMPRESSIVE INVERSION ~700-650MB. IN ADDITION SHOULD ECMWF VERIFY...THEN A SECONDARY INSIDE SLIDER SHORT WAVE COULD PRODUCE SNOW ACROSS THE CWA TUE NIGHT OR WED... ESPECIALLY ON EAST/NE FACING SLOPES. BUT WITH DIFFERENCES IN MODELS WILL NOT BITE ON THAT YET...SOMETHING TO WATCH THOUGH. CS && .AVIATION... STRONG INVERSION SEEN IN ACARS DATA HELPED KEEP WINDS LIGHT ACROSS WRN NV VALLEYS THUS FAR TODAY...WITH LOCATIONS AT/ABOVE INVERSION HEIGHT SUCH AS TRK/TVL SEEING S/SW WINDS KICK IN EARLIER THIS AFTN. HAZE LAYER AROUND RNO FINALLY BEGINNING TO MIX OUT AS OF 22Z. OTHERWISE EXPECTING SCT-BKN MID TO HIGH LEVEL CLOUDS TO AFFECT THE TAF SITES THROUGH 0Z/SAT. COULD BE SOME VSBY RESTRICTIONS AT TRK AGAIN AFTER 5Z TONIGHT...THOUGH WITH POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED CLOUD COVER HAVE NOT GONE TOO LOW WITH VSBY FCSTS. CS && .REV WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... NV...NONE. CA...NONE. && $$ HTTP://WEATHER.GOV/RENO
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS SAN DIEGO CA
230 PM PST WED NOV 14 2007 .SYNOPSIS...WEAKENING OFFSHORE FLOW WILL CONTINUE CLEAR SKIES WITH A LITTLE COOLING THURSDAY. MORE COOLING FRIDAY THROUGH THE WEEKEND AS WEAK ONSHORE FLOW RETURNS. A REDEVELOPING MARINE LAYER WILL BRING AREAS OF COASTAL LOW CLOUDS AND FOG IN THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY...OTHERWISE FAIR. OFFSHORE FLOW SHOULD DEVELOP AROUND THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. && .DISCUSSION...FOR SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA INCLUDING SAN DIEGO... ORANGE...SOUTHWEST SAN BERNARDINO AND WEST RIVERSIDE COUNTIES. .SHORT TERM (TODAY-SAT)...CLEAR SKIES TODAY. EARLY AFTERNOON ACARS SOUNDINGS INDICATE LIGHT WINDS IN THE LOW LEVELS WITH GRADUALLY INCREASING NE WINDS ALOFT. OFFSHORE GRADIENTS WITH ABOUT -5 MB SAN-LAS. THE UPPER LOW OFF THE CENTRAL BAJA COAST WILL DRIFT E AND UPPER RIDGING WILL PREVAIL OVER SRN CA. OFFSHORE GRADIENTS WILL GRADUALLY WEAKEN AND TURN ONSHORE BY FRI AND SAT. THIS WILL MAINTAIN GENERALLY CLEAR SKIES THROUGH THU. COOLER W OF THE MOUNTAINS THU. THE COOLING WILL SPREAD FARTHER INLAND FRI AND SAT. A SHALLOW MARINE LAYER SHOULD REFORM LATE THU NIGHT AND FRI MORNING WITH A POSSIBLE WEAK EDDY. THE MARINE LAYER SHOULD DEEPEN A LITTLE FRI NIGHT INTO SAT MORNING...BUT WILL STILL MAINLY BE CONFINED TO THE COASTAL AREAS. THERE SHOULD ALSO BE A FEW HIGH CLOUDS FRI INTO SAT IN WINDS ALOFT. && .LONG TERM (SUN-WED)...MINOR CHANGES SUN EXCEPT SLIGHTLY WARMER IN MOST AREAS. AN UPPER TROUGH SHOULD MOVE PAST TO THE N MON BRINGING A LITTLE COOLING AND A DEEPER MARINE LAYER WITH LOCAL GUSTY NW WINDS IN THE MOUNTAINS AND DESERTS. THE FLOW WILL TURN OFFSHORE FROM THE N TO NE TUE AND WED AND COULD BE A STRONG OFFSHORE EVENT. THIS SHOULD BE A COOL DRY OFFSHORE FLOW. HOWEVER...THE EXACT STRENGTH AND TIMING OF OFFSHORE WINDS ARE STILL UNCERTAIN. && .AVIATION... 142130Z...NO SIGNIFICANT AVIATION WEATHER CONCERNS FOR NEXT 24 HOURS. DENSE FOG/LOW STRATUS MAY RETURN TO COAST LATE THURSDAY AFTERNOON AFTER 15/2200 UTC. UNTIL THEN AIR MASS CONTINUES DRY AND STABLE WITH EAST TO NORTHEAST WINDS 10 KT ABOVE FL020...BELOW THIS LEVEL WINDS W-NW 5-10KT UNTIL 0100 UTC DUE TO SEA BREEZE. && .SGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...DVA AVIATION...BALFOUR
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS INDIANAPOLIS IN
1205 PM EST WED NOV 14 2007 .AVIATION...DISCUSSION FOR 141800Z TAF ISSUANCE. NARROW AREA OF POST FRONTAL MVFR CIGS ARND 020 AFFECTING THE KBMG TERMINAL SHOULD CLR OUT OF THE THAT AREA BY ISSUANCE TIME. OTRW...ONLY A FEW DIURNAL TYPE CLDS BASED 020-030 XPCTD FOR THE AFT HRS...WITH LYRD CLDS AOA 050 THRU 150600Z. MEAN WND PROGS IN THE LWR LVLS SUGGEST A FEW SFC WND GUSTS 15-20 KTS PSBL FM THE WNW TIL SUNSET. && .PREV DISCUSSION...FORECAST FOCUS WILL BE ON PRECIP TODAY AND THEN TIMING OF FROPA. AGAIN THE NAM/GFS ARE SIMILAR ENOUGHTO USE A BLEND. TEMPS HAVE BEEN RISING OVERNIGHT AS WARM ADVECTION HAS PUSHED READINGS INTO THE UPPER 50S AND LOW 60S. ACARS DATA SHOWS A VERY STRONG INVERSION AROUND 875MB WHICH WAS HOLDING LOW STRATUS DECK IN PLACE THIS MORNING. SCATTERED RW AND DZ WAS MOVING EAST ACROSS THE CWA AT 08Z AND THIS WILL LIKELY CONTINUE THROUGH MID MORNING. SOME CLEARING WAS MAKING INTO EASTERN ILLINOIS AND THIS WILL SPREAD INTO INDIANA AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER AND HELPS BREAK THE INVERSION. COLD ADVECTION WILL BEGIN LATER THIS MORNING AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER TO CENTRAL INDIANA. THE WIND WILL SHIFT TO THE WEST THEN NW THIS AFTERNOON AND THEN THE COLD AIR FOLLOWS LATER TONIGHT. LOWS TONIGHT WILL BE 15-20 DEGREES COLDER IN THE MID 30S THAN CURRENT OVERNIGHT TEMPS IN THE MID TO UPPER 50S. THURSDAY...COLDER TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED AS THE H5 TROF SWINGS EAST OF THE STAT. H85 TEMPS WILL BE AROUND -6C TO -8C OVER INDIANA RESULTING IN HIGHS IN THE 40S WITH PARTLY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES. FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY...DRY AND BELOW NORMAL TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED. SFC HIGH PRESSURE WILL MOVE FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINS SOUTHEAST TO THE EASTERN SEA BOARD BY SATURDAY. A WEAK FRONT WILL WASH OUT OVER INDIANA ON SATURDAY AND WITH NO MOISTURE TO WORK WITH PRECIP IS NOT EXPECTED. SUNDAY...NO CHANGES MADE TO THE PREVIOUS FCST. AN H5 TROF AND SFC WAVE PASS THROUGH THE STATE AND WITH SOME MOISTURE TO WORK WITH THERE IS A CHANCE FOR RAIN ON SUNDAY. && .IND WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...SALLY AVIATION...JAS
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...CORRECTED
NWS INDIANAPOLIS IN
554 AM EST WED NOV 14 2007 .AVIATION...DISCUSSION FOR 12Z TAFS SATELLITE LOOP AND SFC OBS WERE FAVORING THE QUICKER CLRG IMPLIED BY THE 00Z NAM AS SEEN IN THE TIME SECS AND LOW LVL RH PROGS. LAF WAS ALREADY ABOUT TO CLR OUT AT 10Z AND HUF AND IND WERE ABOUT TO SEE A FEW BREAKS. ACARS AND MODEL TIME SECS SHOWING STG INVERSION AROUND 850 MB BEING COMPLETELY WIPED OUT AS THE CD FNT...CURRENTLY FM NERN IL INTO SWRN MO...REACHES LAF AROUND 12Z...HUF AND IND AROUND 13Z AND BMG AROUND 15Z BASED ON STEADY SE MOVEMENT OF THE FNT. SO...MVFR CIGS AND VSBYS WL BE OVER WITH RIGHT AFTER FROPA. CU DEVELOPMENT PROGS WERE HINTING AT EARLY AFTERNOON SCT CU AT BMG AND LAF. OTHEWISE...MID DECK EXPECTED TO MOVE IN THIS AFTERNOON BASED ON MODEL TIME SECS AND UPSTREAM AC DECK ACRS SRN PARTS OF IA AND NE. FINALLY...SC DECK CURRENTLY ACRS THE UPR MIDWEST IS EXPECTED TO SPREAD ACRS THE TAF SITES OVERNGT...BUT TIME SECS FAVOR MOSTLY VFR EXPECT PERHAPS SOME MVFR TOWARD 12Z AT LAF. && .PREV DISCUSSION...FORECAST FOCUS WILL BE ON PRECIP TODAY AND THEN TIMING OF FROPA. AGAIN THE NAM/GFS ARE SIMILAR ENOUGHTO USE A BLEND. TEMPS HAVE BEEN RISING OVERNIGHT AS WARM ADVECTION HAS PUSHED READINGS INTO THE UPPER 50S AND LOW 60S. ACARS DATA SHOWS A VERY STRONG INVERSION AROUND 875MB WHICH WAS HOLDING LOW STRATUS DECK IN PLACE THIS MORNING. SCATTERED RW AND DZ WAS MOVING EAST ACROSS THE CWA AT 08Z AND THIS WILL LIKELY CONTINUE THROUGH MID MORNING. SOME CLEARING WAS MAKING INTO EASTERN ILLINOIS AND THIS WILL SPREAD INTO INDIANA AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER AND HELPS BREAK THE INVERSION. COLD ADVECTION WILL BEGIN LATER THIS MORNING AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER TO CENTRAL INDIANA. THE WIND WILL SHIFT TO THE WEST THEN NW THIS AFTERNOON AND THEN THE COLD AIR FOLLOWS LATER TONIGHT. LOWS TONIGHT WILL BE 15-20 DEGREES COLDER IN THE MID 30S THAN CURRENT OVERNIGHT TEMPS IN THE MID TO UPPER 50S. THURSDAY...COLDER TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED AS THE H5 TROF SWINGS EAST OF THE STAT. H85 TEMPS WILL BE AROUND -6C TO -8C OVER INDIANA RESULTING IN HIGHS IN THE 40S WITH PARTLY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES. FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY...DRY AND BELOW NORMAL TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED. SFC HIGH PRESSURE WILL MOVE FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINS SOUTHEAST TO THE EASTERN SEA BOARD BY SATURDAY. A WEAK FRONT WILL WASH OUT OVER INDIANA ON SATURDAY AND WITH NO MOISTURE TO WORK WITH PRECIP IS NOT EXPECTED. SUNDAY...NO CHANGES MADE TO THE PREVIOUS FCST. AN H5 TROF AND SFC WAVE PASS THROUGH THE STATE AND WITH SOME MOISTURE TO WORK WITH THERE IS A CHANCE FOR RAIN ON SUNDAY. && .IND WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...SALLY AVIATION...MK CLRG TIMING CORRECTED
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS INDIANAPOLIS IN
545 AM EST WED NOV 14 2007 .AVIATION...DISCUSSION FOR 12Z TAFS SATELLITE LOOP AND SFC OBS WERE FAVORING THE QUICKER CLRG IMPLIED BY THE 00Z NAM AS SEEN IN THE TIME SECS AND LOW LVL RH PROGS. LAF WAS ALREADY ABOUT TO CLR OUT AT 10Z AND HUF AND IND WERE ABOUT TO SEE A FEW BREAKS. ACARS AND MODEL TIME SECS SHOWING STG INVERSION AROUND 850 MB BEING COMPLETELY WIPED OUT AS THE CD FNT...CURRENTLY FM NERN IL INTO SWRN MO...REACHES LAF AROUND 12Z...HUF AND IND AROUND 14Z AND BMG AROUND 16Z BASED ON STEADY SE MOVEMENT OF THE FNT. SO...MVFR CIGS AND VSBYS WL BE OVER WITH RIGHT AFTER FROPA. CU DEVELOPMENT PROGS WERE HINTING AT EARLY AFTERNOON SCT CU AT BMG AND LAF. OTHEWISE...MID DECK EXPECTED TO MOVE IN THIS AFTERNOON BASED ON MODEL TIME SECS AND UPSTREAM AC DECK ACRS SRN PARTS OF IA AND NE. FINALLY...SC DECK CURRENTLY ACRS THE UPR MIDWEST IS EXPECTED TO SPREAD ACRS THE TAF SITES OVERNGT...BUT TIME SECS FAVOR MOSTLY VFR EXPECT PERHAPS SOME MVFR TOWARD 12Z AT LAF. && .PREV DISCUSSION...FORECAST FOCUS WILL BE ON PRECIP TODAY AND THEN TIMING OF FROPA. AGAIN THE NAM/GFS ARE SIMILAR ENOUGHTO USE A BLEND. TEMPS HAVE BEEN RISING OVERNIGHT AS WARM ADVECTION HAS PUSHED READINGS INTO THE UPPER 50S AND LOW 60S. ACARS DATA SHOWS A VERY STRONG INVERSION AROUND 875MB WHICH WAS HOLDING LOW STRATUS DECK IN PLACE THIS MORNING. SCATTERED RW AND DZ WAS MOVING EAST ACROSS THE CWA AT 08Z AND THIS WILL LIKELY CONTINUE THROUGH MID MORNING. SOME CLEARING WAS MAKING INTO EASTERN ILLINOIS AND THIS WILL SPREAD INTO INDIANA AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER AND HELPS BREAK THE INVERSION. COLD ADVECTION WILL BEGIN LATER THIS MORNING AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER TO CENTRAL INDIANA. THE WIND WILL SHIFT TO THE WEST THEN NW THIS AFTERNOON AND THEN THE COLD AIR FOLLOWS LATER TONIGHT. LOWS TONIGHT WILL BE 15-20 DEGREES COLDER IN THE MID 30S THAN CURRENT OVERNIGHT TEMPS IN THE MID TO UPPER 50S. THURSDAY...COLDER TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED AS THE H5 TROF SWINGS EAST OF THE STAT. H85 TEMPS WILL BE AROUND -6C TO -8C OVER INDIANA RESULTING IN HIGHS IN THE 40S WITH PARTLY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES. FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY...DRY AND BELOW NORMAL TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED. SFC HIGH PRESSURE WILL MOVE FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINS SOUTHEAST TO THE EASTERN SEA BOARD BY SATURDAY. A WEAK FRONT WILL WASH OUT OVER INDIANA ON SATURDAY AND WITH NO MOISTURE TO WORK WITH PRECIP IS NOT EXPECTED. SUNDAY...NO CHANGES MADE TO THE PREVIOUS FCST. AN H5 TROF AND SFC WAVE PASS THROUGH THE STATE AND WITH SOME MOISTURE TO WORK WITH THERE IS A CHANCE FOR RAIN ON SUNDAY. && .IND WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...SALLY AVIATION...MK
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS INDIANAPOLIS IN
331 AM EST WED NOV 14 2007 .DISCUSSION...FORECAST FOCUS WILL BE ON PRECIP TODAY AND THEN TIMING OF FROPA. AGAIN THE NAM/GFS ARE SIMILAR ENOUGHTO USE A BLEND. TEMPS HAVE BEEN RISING OVERNIGHT AS WARM ADVECTION HAS PUSHED READINGS INTO THE UPPER 50S AND LOW 60S. ACARS DATA SHOWS A VERY STRONG INVERSION AROUND 875MB WHICH WAS HOLDING LOW STRATUS DECK IN PLACE THIS MORNING. SCATTERED RW AND DZ WAS MOVING EAST ACROSS THE CWA AT 08Z AND THIS WILL LIKELY CONTINUE THROUGH MID MORNING. SOME CLEARING WAS MAKING INTO EASTERN ILLINOIS AND THIS WILL SPREAD INTO INDIANA AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER AND HELPS BREAK THE INVERSION. COLD ADVECTION WILL BEGIN LATER THIS MORNING AS THE FRONT GETS CLOSER TO CENTRAL INDIANA. THE WIND WILL SHIFT TO THE WEST THEN NW THIS AFTERNOON AND THEN THE COLD AIR FOLLOWS LATER TONIGHT. LOWS TONIGHT WILL BE 15-20 DEGREES COLDER IN THE MID 30S THAN CURRENT OVERNIGHT TEMPS IN THE MID TO UPPER 50S. THURSDAY...COLDER TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED AS THE H5 TROF SWINGS EAST OF THE STAT. H85 TEMPS WILL BE AROUND -6C TO -8C OVER INDIANA RESULTING IN HIGHS IN THE 40S WITH PARTLY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES. FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY...DRY AND BELOW NORMAL TEMPS CAN BE EXPECTED. SFC HIGH PRESSURE WILL MOVE FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINS SOUTHEAST TO THE EASTERN SEA BOARD BY SATURDAY. A WEAK FRONT WILL WASH OUT OVER INDIANA ON SATURDAY AND WITH NO MOISTURE TO WORK WITH PRECIP IS NOT EXPECTED. SUNDAY...NO CHANGES MADE TO THE PREVIOUS FCST. AN H5 TROF AND SFC WAVE PASS THROUGH THE STATE AND WITH SOME MOISTURE TO WORK WITH THERE IS A CHANCE FOR RAIN ON SUNDAY. && .AVIATION...DISCUSSION FOR 06Z TAFS SRLY WINDS HAVE ADVECTED LOW STRATUS NORTH ACROSS ALL TAF SITES THIS TUESDAY EVENING. LOOKING UPSTREAM ACROSS IL AND ERN MO SIMILAR CONDITIONS EXIST. EVENING MODEL RUNS INCLUDING MOS INDICATE LOW STRATUS SHOULD PREVAIL UNTIL NEAR FROPA WHICH IS EXPECTED 13Z-16Z. IN ADDITION TO DECKS BELOW 1000FT...ISSUE OF HOW DENSE FOG WOULD BECOMES REMAINS PROBLEMATIC. UPSTREAM OBS VARY FROM MVFR TO LIFR. EXPECTATION IS FOR TREND OF LOWERING VSBY AT TAFS SIGHTS TO 3-4SM AT KIND AND KLAF TO 2SM KBMG AND KHUF. DISTINCTION BASED ON BMG AND HUF REMAINED UNDER STRATUS MOST OF TUESDAY WITH LITTLE DRYING WHILE KIND AND KLAF HAD SUNSHINE ALL DAY TUESDAY ALLOWING FOR BETTER DRYING AND LOWER DEWPOINTS INITIALLY. ONCE FRONT MOVES THRU SOUNDINGS SHOW DECKS BELOW 1000FT QUICKLY LIFT WHILE SFC OBS BACK MINNESOTA WAY SHOW DECKS AROUND 6000FT WHICH SHOULD PUSH IN TO TAF SITES MID DAY AFTER BRIEF SCT 1500FT DECKS 14Z-18Z. VSBYS BECOME UNRESTRICTED AS DECKS LIFT. && .IND WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...SALLY AVIATION...DT
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...CORRECTED
NWS DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
449 PM EST WED NOV 14 2007 CORRECTED WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES SECTION .SHORT TERM...TONIGHT A GOOD DEAL OF SUNSHINE LATE THIS MORNING/EARLY THIS AFTERNOON HELPED OFFSET THE MODEST LOW LEVEL COLD ADVECTION TODAY...ALLOWING MAX TEMPS TO REACH TO AROUND 60 DEGREES WITHIN THE WELL MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER (ABOVE 850 MB PER DTW TAMDAR SOUNDINGS) OVER SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN. DIGGING (BECOMING NEUTRALLY TILTED) UPPER LEVEL TROUGH AXIS TO PUSH INTO THE WESTERN GREAT LAKES TONIGHT...WITH THE BROAD ASCENT OUT AHEAD OF THIS TROUGH LEADING TO THE MID/UPPER LEVEL CLOUDS NOW STREAMING THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN. WILL NEED TO RELAY MORE ON THE SECONDARY COLD FRONT/COLD CORE MOVING OVER LAKE MICHIGAN TO GENERATE PRECIPITATION. INCREASING CHANCE OF INSTABILITY SNOW/RAIN SHOWERS TOWARD 12Z THURSDAY...AS 850 MB TEMPS FALL TO -4C TO -6C. WET BULB ZERO HEIGHTS LOOK TO BE 500 TO 1000 FEET...PER NAM BUFKIT SOUNDINGS. BASED ON NAM/GFS 700 MB RH FIELDS (INDICATIVE OF DEEPER MOISTURE AND ICE NUCLEATION) BEST CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION BY 12Z THURSDAY OVER TRI-CITIES (40+ POP) WITH JUST A SLIGHT CHANCE TOWARD THE CITY OF DETROIT/OHIO BORDER. MIN TEMPS LOOK TO REMAIN JUST ABOVE FREEZING DUE TO CLOUDS AND BOUNDARY LAYER STAYING FAIRLY WELL MIXED. && .LONG TERM...THURSDAY THROUGH NEXT WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY... MODEL CONSENSUS AT 500 MB SHOWS A SHARP TROUGH PIVOTING TO THE EAST THURSDAY...THEN ANOTHER TROUGH/VORTICITY LOBE SWINGING ON DOWN FROM THE NORTH SATURDAY. AT THE SURFACE...A SECONDARY TROUGH/WELL DEFINED CYCLONIC FLOW MOVING ACROSS THE AREA THURSDAY...WITH RIDGE BUILDING IN FRIDAY. A WEAK CLIPPER THEN DIVING FROM THE NORTHERN PLAINS TO OHIO AREA SATURDAY...PULLING A WEAK TROUGH SOUTHWARD ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA. MOISTURE IN THE 850 TO 500 MB LAYER MODESTLY GOOD THROUGH THURSDAY...THEN DRIER UNTIL BETTER LATE FRIDAY OR FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH SATURDAY. 925 MB MOISTURE QUITE GOOD THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT...THEN WANING UNTIL BEEFING UP AGAIN BY SATURDAY. LITTLE TO NO LOW TO MID LEVEL OMEGA ASCENT UNTIL OCCASIONALLY SLIGHT FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY. 850 TO 500 MB QVECTOR CONVERGENCE SLIGHT THURSDAY...MODEST FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY. SURFACE WIND CONVERGENCE SLIGHT MAINLY THURSDAY AND SATURDAY. WEAK 285K ISENTROPIC ASCENT SEEN FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY...BUT CONDENSATION PRESSURE DEFICITS ARE HIGH FRIDAY BEFORE THEN SHARPLY LOWER FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY. GIVEN THE RELATIVELY ELEVATED WET BULB ZERO HEIGHTS...WILL MENTION SCATTERED RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS THURSDAY EXCEPT HIGHER POPS ON LAKE HURON...AND CONTINUE CHANCE LIGHT SNOW SHOWER MENTION THUMB/LAKE HURON IN MODEST LAKE EFFECT THURSDAY NIGHT/FRIDAY. THEREAFTER...CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS OR MIX FRIDAY AND OF RAIN SHOWERS OR MIX SATURDAY. AFTER SATURDAY... OVERALL LOW CONFIDENCE IN DETAILS OF FORECAST FOR THIS PERIOD...AS MODEL DIFFERENCES CONTINUE LARGE...BOTH AMONG MODELS AND FROM RUN TO RUN WITHIN MODELS. AT 500 MB...SOME MODEL CONSENSUS TOWARD SHORTWAVE TROUGH PIVOTING AWAY FROM THE NORTHERN/EASTERN GREAT LAKES REGION SATURDAY NIGHT FOLLOWED BY A BIT OF RIDGING THROUGH SUNDAY. THEREAFTER...THE 00Z GFS AND 06Z DGEX SHOWED NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY MAKING A DENT IN HEIGHTS OVER THE LAKES REGION THROUGH MONDAY BEFORE RISING HEIGHTS/RIDGING PREVAILS INTO MID WEEK AS WESTERN TROUGH EVOLVES. THE 06Z GFS...BY STARK CONTRAST...SHOWED LESS OF A NORTHERN STREAM DENT MONDAY AND MUCH FASTER EVOLUTION/PROGRESSION OF WESTERN TROUGH AND BREAKDOWN OF RIDGE OVER THE GREAT LAKES. THIS 06Z SOLUTION WAS LEANING TOWARD THE 00Z ECMWF. THE OVERNIGHT WRFHEMI EMPHASIZED A HUGE EASTERN CANADIAN LOW AFFECTING THE LAKES REGION FOR MOST OF THE PERIOD. THE 00Z GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS SHOWED MUCH DIVERSITY... ESPECIALLY TOWARD MID WEEK. AT THE SURFACE...SOME MODEL CONSENSUS OF A LARGE HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM CENTERED NEAR OR NORTH OF LAKE SUPERIOR AT THE START OF THE PERIOD WITH SUBSEQUENT EASTWARD DRIFT THROUGH MONDAY. MODELS VARY GREATLY AS TO HOW QUICK TO MOVE A COLD FRONT IN/THROUGH THE AREA FROM THE WEST. THE 00Z WRFHEMI/00Z OPERATIONAL AND ENSEMBLE MEAN OF THE GFS...AND 06Z DGEX SHOWED THIS FRONT IN THE AREA MONDAY AS OPPOSED TO THE TUESDAY TIME FRAME AS PER ECMWF AND 06Z GFS. OVERALL GROWING CONSENSUS EXISTS TOWARD HIGH PRESSURE HAVING TROUBLE NOSING IN FROM THE NORTHERN PLAINS...AS FRONT STALLS OVER THE SOUTHERN LAKES REGION AND ONE OR MORE WEAK WAVES MOVES NORTHEAST ALONG THE FRONT. THIS LATTER IDEA EXPRESSED BY THE 00Z ECMWF AND ALSO THE 12Z OPERATIONAL GFS. THEREFORE...WILL CONTINUE WITH SLIGHT CHANCE LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY ESPECIALLY NEAR LAKE HURON FOR MODEST LAKE EFFECT. THEN...CHANCE OF RAIN SHOWERS BEGINNING MONDAY NIGHT AND CONTINUING THROUGH WEDNESDAY WITH FRONT AND PROBABLE WAVES ALONG THE FRONT ALBEIT IN PRESENCE OF WARMER TEMPERATURES. && .MARINE... WESTERLY WIND GUSTS OF 20 TO 30 KNOTS THIS AFTERNOON ARE EXPECTED TO DIMINISH A GOOD 5 KNOTS THIS EVENING/TONIGHT ALONG THE NEARSHORE WATERS AS WE LOSE DAYTIME HEATING AND BOUNDARY LAYER COOLS. A SECONDARY COLD FRONT PUSHING THROUGH THE CENTRAL GREAT LAKES TOMORROW MORNING WILL BRING AN INCREASE TO THE WINDS BY AFTERNOON...WITH SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY WINDS EXPECTED TO RETURN OVER ALL MARINE AREAS. A RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE IS FORECASTED TO BUILD INTO THE CENTRAL GREAT LAKES ON FRIDAY WITH WINDS BECOMING LIGHT. LIGHT WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO PERSIST INTO SATURDAY AS A WEAK AREA OF LOW PRESSURE TRAVERSES THROUGH THE SOUTHERN GREAT LAKES. && .PREV DISCUSSION...ISSUED 1212 PM EST WED NOV 14 2007 AVIATION... THE LOW LEVELS HAVE DRIED OUT EARLY THIS AFTERNOON...WHICH SHOULD ALLOW FOR CLEAR SKIES (BELOW 12000 FEET) TO PERSIST INTO THE EVENING HOURS. HOWEVER...WESTERLY WINDS WILL REMAIN GUSTY UP TO 25 KNOTS THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE DECREASING. A SECONDARY COLD FRONT WILL APPROACH SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN TONIGHT...BRINGING WITH IT A BROKEN LOWER VFR STRATUS DECK (AROUND 4000 FEET) AFTER MIDNIGHT. ENOUGH COLD AIR ARRIVES TOMORROW MORNING TO PRODUCE INSTABILITY SNOW/RAIN SHOWERS OFF LAKE MICHIGAN...WHICH WILL LIKELY PRODUCE SCATTERED MVFR VSBYS/CEILINGS. && .DTX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... MI...NONE. LAKE HURON... SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...LHZ422-LHZ442-LHZ443...UNTIL 7 PM WEDNESDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...NEARSHORE WATERS FROM HARBOR BEACH TO PORT HURON...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 7 PM FRIDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...INNER SAGINAW BAY...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 11 PM THURSDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...NEARSHORE WATERS FROM PORT AUSTIN TO HARBOR BEACH...UNTIL 7 PM FRIDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...OUTER SAGINAW BAY...UNTIL NOON FRIDAY. LAKE ST CLAIR... SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 11 PM THURSDAY. MI WATERS OF LAKE ERIE... SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 11 PM THURSDAY. && $$ SHORT TERM...SF LONG TERM....DWD MARINE.......SF AVIATION.....SF YOU CAN OBTAIN YOUR LATEST NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECASTS ONLINE AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/DETROIT (ALL LOWER CASE).
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
353 PM EST WED NOV 14 2007 .SHORT TERM...TONIGHT A GOOD DEAL OF SUNSHINE LATE THIS MORNING/EARLY THIS AFTERNOON HELPED OFFSET THE MODEST LOW LEVEL COLD ADVECTION TODAY...ALLOWING MAX TEMPS TO REACH TO AROUND 60 DEGREES WITHIN THE WELL MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER (ABOVE 850 MB PER DTW TAMDAR SOUNDINGS) OVER SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN. DIGGING (BECOMING NEUTRALLY TILTED) UPPER LEVEL TROUGH AXIS TO PUSH INTO THE WESTERN GREAT LAKES TONIGHT...WITH THE BROAD ASCENT OUT AHEAD OF THIS TROUGH LEADING TO THE MID/UPPER LEVEL CLOUDS NOW STREAMING THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN. WILL NEED TO RELAY MORE ON THE SECONDARY COLD FRONT/COLD CORE MOVING OVER LAKE MICHIGAN TO GENERATE PRECIPITATION. INCREASING CHANCE OF INSTABILITY SNOW/RAIN SHOWERS TOWARD 12Z THURSDAY...AS 850 MB TEMPS FALL TO -4C TO -6C. WET BULB ZERO HEIGHTS LOOK TO BE 500 TO 1000 FEET...PER NAM BUFKIT SOUNDINGS. BASED ON NAM/GFS 700 MB RH FIELDS (INDICATIVE OF DEEPER MOISTURE AND ICE NUCLEATION) BEST CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION BY 12Z THURSDAY OVER TRI-CITIES (40+ POP) WITH JUST A SLIGHT CHANCE TOWARD THE CITY OF DETROIT/OHIO BORDER. MIN TEMPS LOOK TO REMAIN JUST ABOVE FREEZING DUE TO CLOUDS AND BOUNDARY LAYER STAYING FAIRLY WELL MIXED. && .LONG TERM...THURSDAY THROUGH NEXT WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY... MODEL CONSENSUS AT 500 MB SHOWS A SHARP TROUGH PIVOTING TO THE EAST THURSDAY...THEN ANOTHER TROUGH/VORTICITY LOBE SWINGING ON DOWN FROM THE NORTH SATURDAY. AT THE SURFACE...A SECONDARY TROUGH/WELL DEFINED CYCLONIC FLOW MOVING ACROSS THE AREA THURSDAY...WITH RIDGE BUILDING IN FRIDAY. A WEAK CLIPPER THEN DIVING FROM THE NORTHERN PLAINS TO OHIO AREA SATURDAY...PULLING A WEAK TROUGH SOUTHWARD ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA. MOISTURE IN THE 850 TO 500 MB LAYER MODESTLY GOOD THROUGH THURSDAY...THEN DRIER UNTIL BETTER LATE FRIDAY OR FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH SATURDAY. 925 MB MOISTURE QUITE GOOD THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT...THEN WANING UNTIL BEEFING UP AGAIN BY SATURDAY. LITTLE TO NO LOW TO MID LEVEL OMEGA ASCENT UNTIL OCCASIONALLY SLIGHT FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY. 850 TO 500 MB QVECTOR CONVERGENCE SLIGHT THURSDAY...MODEST FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY. SURFACE WIND CONVERGENCE SLIGHT MAINLY THURSDAY AND SATURDAY. WEAK 285K ISENTROPIC ASCENT SEEN FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY...BUT CONDENSATION PRESSURE DEFICITS ARE HIGH FRIDAY BEFORE THEN SHARPLY LOWER FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY. GIVEN THE RELATIVELY ELEVATED WET BULB ZERO HEIGHTS...WILL MENTION SCATTERED RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS THURSDAY EXCEPT HIGHER POPS ON LAKE HURON...AND CONTINUE CHANCE LIGHT SNOW SHOWER MENTION THUMB/LAKE HURON IN MODEST LAKE EFFECT THURSDAY NIGHT/FRIDAY. THEREAFTER...CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS OR MIX FRIDAY AND OF RAIN SHOWERS OR MIX SATURDAY. AFTER SATURDAY... OVERALL LOW CONFIDENCE IN DETAILS OF FORECAST FOR THIS PERIOD...AS MODEL DIFFERENCES CONTINUE LARGE...BOTH AMONG MODELS AND FROM RUN TO RUN WITHIN MODELS. AT 500 MB...SOME MODEL CONSENSUS TOWARD SHORTWAVE TROUGH PIVOTING AWAY FROM THE NORTHERN/EASTERN GREAT LAKES REGION SATURDAY NIGHT FOLLOWED BY A BIT OF RIDGING THROUGH SUNDAY. THEREAFTER...THE 00Z GFS AND 06Z DGEX SHOWED NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY MAKING A DENT IN HEIGHTS OVER THE LAKES REGION THROUGH MONDAY BEFORE RISING HEIGHTS/RIDGING PREVAILS INTO MID WEEK AS WESTERN TROUGH EVOLVES. THE 06Z GFS...BY STARK CONTRAST...SHOWED LESS OF A NORTHERN STREAM DENT MONDAY AND MUCH FASTER EVOLUTION/PROGRESSION OF WESTERN TROUGH AND BREAKDOWN OF RIDGE OVER THE GREAT LAKES. THIS 06Z SOLUTION WAS LEANING TOWARD THE 00Z ECMWF. THE OVERNIGHT WRFHEMI EMPHASIZED A HUGE EASTERN CANADIAN LOW AFFECTING THE LAKES REGION FOR MOST OF THE PERIOD. THE 00Z GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS SHOWED MUCH DIVERSITY... ESPECIALLY TOWARD MID WEEK. AT THE SURFACE...SOME MODEL CONSENSUS OF A LARGE HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM CENTERED NEAR OR NORTH OF LAKE SUPERIOR AT THE START OF THE PERIOD WITH SUBSEQUENT EASTWARD DRIFT THROUGH MONDAY. MODELS VARY GREATLY AS TO HOW QUICK TO MOVE A COLD FRONT IN/THROUGH THE AREA FROM THE WEST. THE 00Z WRFHEMI/00Z OPERATIONAL AND ENSEMBLE MEAN OF THE GFS...AND 06Z DGEX SHOWED THIS FRONT IN THE AREA MONDAY AS OPPOSED TO THE TUESDAY TIME FRAME AS PER ECMWF AND 06Z GFS. OVERALL GROWING CONSENSUS EXISTS TOWARD HIGH PRESSURE HAVING TROUBLE NOSING IN FROM THE NORTHERN PLAINS...AS FRONT STALLS OVER THE SOUTHERN LAKES REGION AND ONE OR MORE WEAK WAVES MOVES NORTHEAST ALONG THE FRONT. THIS LATTER IDEA EXPRESSED BY THE 00Z ECMWF AND ALSO THE 12Z OPERATIONAL GFS. THEREFORE...WILL CONTINUE WITH SLIGHT CHANCE LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY ESPECIALLY NEAR LAKE HURON FOR MODEST LAKE EFFECT. THEN...CHANCE OF RAIN SHOWERS BEGINNING MONDAY NIGHT AND CONTINUING THROUGH WEDNESDAY WITH FRONT AND PROBABLE WAVES ALONG THE FRONT ALBEIT IN PRESENCE OF WARMER TEMPERATURES. && .MARINE... WESTERLY WIND GUSTS OF 20 TO 30 KNOTS THIS AFTERNOON ARE EXPECTED TO DIMINISH A GOOD 5 KNOTS THIS EVENING/TONIGHT ALONG THE NEARSHORE WATERS AS WE LOSE DAYTIME HEATING AND BOUNDARY LAYER COOLS. A SECONDARY COLD FRONT PUSHING THROUGH THE CENTRAL GREAT LAKES TOMORROW MORNING WILL BRING AN INCREASE TO THE WINDS BY AFTERNOON...WITH SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY WINDS EXPECTED TO RETURN OVER ALL MARINE AREAS. A RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE IS FORECASTED TO BUILD INTO THE CENTRAL GREAT LAKES ON FRIDAY WITH WINDS BECOMING LIGHT. LIGHT WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO PERSIST INTO SATURDAY AS A WEAK AREA OF LOW PRESSURE TRAVERSES THROUGH THE SOUTHERN GREAT LAKES. && .PREV DISCUSSION...ISSUED 1212 PM EST WED NOV 14 2007 AVIATION... THE LOW LEVELS HAVE DRIED OUT EARLY THIS AFTERNOON...WHICH SHOULD ALLOW FOR CLEAR SKIES (BELOW 12000 FEET) TO PERSIST INTO THE EVENING HOURS. HOWEVER...WESTERLY WINDS WILL REMAIN GUSTY UP TO 25 KNOTS THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE DECREASING. A SECONDARY COLD FRONT WILL APPROACH SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN TONIGHT...BRINGING WITH IT A BROKEN LOWER VFR STRATUS DECK (AROUND 4000 FEET) AFTER MIDNIGHT. ENOUGH COLD AIR ARRIVES TOMORROW MORNING TO PRODUCE INSTABILITY SNOW/RAIN SHOWERS OFF LAKE MICHIGAN...WHICH WILL LIKELY PRODUCE SCATTERED MVFR VSBYS/CEILINGS. && .DTX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... MI...NONE. LAKE HURON... SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...LHZ422-LHZ442-LHZ443...UNTIL 7 PM WEDNESDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...NEARSHORE WATERS FROM PORT SANILAC TO PORT HURON...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 7 PM FRIDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...INNER SAGINAW BAY...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 11 PM THURSDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...NEARSHORE WATERS FROM PORT AUSTIN TO HARBOR BEACH...UNTIL 7 PM FRIDAY. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...OUTER SAGINAW BAY...UNTIL NOON FRIDAY. LAKE ST CLAIR... SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 11 PM THURSDAY. MI WATERS OF LAKE ERIE... SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...FROM 10 AM THURSDAY TO 11 PM THURSDAY. && $$ SHORT TERM...SF LONG TERM....DWD MARINE.......SF AVIATION.....SF YOU CAN OBTAIN YOUR LATEST NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECASTS ONLINE AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/DETROIT (ALL LOWER CASE).
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS TWIN CITIES/CHANHASSEN MN
1218 PM CST WED NOV 14 2007 .UPDATE... UPDATED FOR AVIATION DISCUSSION BELOW. && .DISCUSSION... /ISSUED 312 AM CST WED NOV 14 2007/ THE PRIMARY FORECAST CHALLENGES ARE THE WIND SPEEDS TODAY AND THE TEMPS THROUGH THE NEXT 48 HOURS. GOES WV LOOP REVEALING STACKED COLD CORE LOW SLOWING ITS EASTWARD MOMENTUM OVER ONTARIO. CYCLONIC LOW LEVEL FLOW DROVE COLD FRONT NUMBER ONE THROUGH THE FORECAST AREA DURING LAST EVE AND COLD FRONT NUMBER TWO IS HEADED DOWN THE RED RIVER VALLEY EARLY THIS MORNING. TWO EARLY MORNING AIRCRAFT TAMDAR SOUNDINGS AND 88D PROFILERS BOTH INDICATE 50-65 KTS OF NORTHWEST FLOW WITHIN THE 850-925MB LAYER ACROSS THE EASTERN DAKOTAS. THIS WILL HELP TO PROMOTE WINDS TO ADVISORY CRITERIA A LITTLE EARLIER IN WRN MN SO HAVE MOVED FORWARD THE ADVISORY. CURRENT SURFACE OBS ALONG THE I-29 CORRIDOR ARE ALREADY REFLECTING 40 MPH GUSTS. PROGNOSTIC SOUNDINGS FROM THE 06Z 40KM RUC AND 12KM NAM INDICATE DRY ADIABATIC LAPSE RATES DEVELOPING FROM THE SURFACE UP TO ABOVE 850 MB BY 9 AM. THIS IS WITH SURFACE TEMPS ONLY AROUND 40F AT THAT. ANY WARMER AND A SLIGHTLY SUPERADIABATIC COMPONENT NEAR THE SURFACE DEVELOPS BY 18Z WHICH MAY MEAN EVEN STRONGER SUSTAINED WINDS OF 35 MPH IN PLACES. SOME GUSTS TO 45 MPH ARE LIKELY OVER WEST CENTRAL MN GIVEN STRONGER SPEEDS TO MIX DOWN. WE ALSO HAVE EXPANDED THE ADVISORY SLIGHTLY EAST IN SOUTH CENTRAL MN TO REFLECT CURRENT THINKING. WITH THE STRONG LOW LEVEL COLD AND DRY AIR ADVECTION AND THE CYCLONIC STRATOCU...THE TEMPS WILL HOLD STEADY IN MANY COMMUNITIES TODAY...AND MAY ACTUALLY DROP A HANDFUL OF DEGREES IN CTRL MN. EMBEDDED VORT LOBE DRIVING THE SECONDARY COLD FRONT WILL PASS DURING THE AFTERNOON AND POSSIBLY LEAD TO A LIGHT SHOWER OR FLURRY OVER CTRL MN AND WRN WI. THE 03Z SHORT RANGE ENSEMBLE FIELDS REFLECT THIS WITH TOTAL TOTAL INDICES NEAR 50 OVER THIS AREA THIS AFTN. THE CYCLONIC FLOW WILL REMAIN OVER THE REGION THROUGH THU. THE LOW CLOUDS SHOULD HOLD STEADY THROUGH AT LEAST THU MORNING BEFORE SOME PULL TO THE EAST BEGINS WITH SYSTEM DEPARTURE. A WEAK SHORT WAVE IN THE NORTHWEST FLOW IS BECOMING EVIDENT DURING FRIDAY ON GUIDANCE. WINDOW OF THETA-E RETURN IN THE 700MB AND BELOW LAYER IS VERY BRIEF AND WEAK ON THE ADIABATIC CHARTS. SO NO ADDED MENTION OF A SHOWER AT THIS POINT. BAROCLINIC ZONE AT 850MB LIFTS OVER THE AREA DURING THE WEEKEND. THE LIFT ALONG THIS HAS PROGRESSIVELY BECOME STRONGER IN SOLUTIONS AND NOW WARRANTS A SLIGHT CHANCE OF SOME LIGHT RAIN OR SNOW IN CTRL MN INTO PARTS OF WEST CTRL WI DURING SAT NIGHT AND SUN. MORE CLOUDS AND SLIGHTLY COOLER TEMPS HAVE BEEN ADDED AS WELL DURING THAT TIME. IN THE LONG RANGE...MANY UNCERTAINTIES EXIST FOR THANKSGIVING WEEK. JUST A QUICK COMPARATIVE GLANCE AT THE 500MB HEIGHTS AND 850MB THETA-E ON THE GFS AND ECMWF IN CURRENT AND PAST RUNS SHOW WIDE DISCREPANCIES IN UPPER FLOW AND LOW LEVEL BAROCLINIC ZONE AREA. STILL LOOKS LIKE A HUDSON BAY TROUGH WILL EXTEND INTO PART OF THE GREAT LAKES...KEEPING THE UPPER FLOW AT LEAST WESTERLY IF NOT NORTHWESTERLY DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. THIS ALONG WITH 13/12Z HPC 6-10 DAY GUIDANCE WOULD IMPLY TEMPS NEAR OR BELOW NORMAL. ...MTF... .AVIATION... STRONG NW WINDS THE MAIN CONCERN TODAY. ABERDEEN 12Z SOUNDING DRY ADIABATIC AND EXCELLENT DIRECTIONAL HOOKUP UP TO 750 MB...AND MODEL SOUNDINGS INDICATE DRY ADIABATIC PROFILES BECOMING PREVALENT ACROSS WC INTO SC MN. AXN AND RWF TAFS CARRY THE STRONGEST WINDS WITH GUSTS AROUND 40 KNOTS. A VARIETY OF SITES IN WC/SW MN INTO SD HAVE BEEN GUSTING AROUND 40 LATE IN THE MORNING. GUSTINESS SHOULD DIMINISH SOMEWHAT THIS EVENING BUT NOT COMPLETELY. GRADIENT LESSENS LATER TONIGHT BUT STILL SUGGEST WINDS AROUND 10-15 KNOTS. ONLY OTHER MATTER OF CONCERN IS CANOPY OF LOW CLOUDS. 40KM NAM STREAMLINES SHOW CYCLONIC CURVATURE CONTINUING UNTIL LATE TONIGHT AND THURSDAY MORNING...SO HAVE KEPT BKN-OVC THROUGH THE NIGHT. SOME BREAKS IN CLOUDS OVER ERN ND AND EXTREME WC MN SHUD SLIDE SE OR SSE... PROBABLY INTO KRWF FOR A PERIOD LATE AFTERNOON OR EVENING. && .MPX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... MN...WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS AFTERNOON FOR CHIPPEWA-DOUGLAS- KANDIYOHI-LAC QUI PARLE-POPE-STEARNS-STEVENS-SWIFT-TODD- YELLOW MEDICINE COUNTY(IES). WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS AFTERNOON FOR BLUE EARTH-BROWN- FARIBAULT-FREEBORN-LE SUEUR-MARTIN-MCLEOD-MEEKER-NICOLLET- REDWOOD-RENVILLE-SIBLEY-WASECA-WATONWAN COUNTY(IES). WI...NONE. && $$
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS TWIN CITIES/CHANHASSEN MN
312 AM CST WED NOV 14 2007 .DISCUSSION... THE PRIMARY FORECAST CHALLENGES ARE THE WIND SPEEDS TODAY AND THE TEMPS THROUGH THE NEXT 48 HOURS. GOES WV LOOP REVEALING STACKED COLD CORE LOW SLOWING ITS EASTWARD MOMENTUM OVER ONTARIO. CYCLONIC LOW LEVEL FLOW DROVE COLD FRONT NUMBER ONE THROUGH THE FORECAST AREA DURING LAST EVE AND COLD FRONT NUMBER TWO IS HEADED DOWN THE RED RIVER VALLEY EARLY THIS MORNING. TWO EARLY MORNING AIRCRAFT TAMDAR SOUNDINGS AND 88D PROFILERS BOTH INDICATE 50-65 KTS OF NORTHWEST FLOW WITHIN THE 850-925MB LAYER ACROSS THE EASTERN DAKOTAS. THIS WILL HELP TO PROMOTE WINDS TO ADVISORY CRITERIA A LITTLE EARLIER IN WRN MN SO HAVE MOVED FORWARD THE ADVISORY. CURRENT SURFACE OBS ALONG THE I-29 CORRIDOR ARE ALREADY REFLECTING 40 MPH GUSTS. PROGNOSTIC SOUNDINGS FROM THE 06Z 40KM RUC AND 12KM NAM INDICATE DRY ADIABATIC LAPSE RATES DEVELOPING FROM THE SURFACE UP TO ABOVE 850 MB BY 9 AM. THIS IS WITH SURFACE TEMPS ONLY AROUND 40F AT THAT. ANY WARMER AND A SLIGHTLY SUPERADIABATIC COMPONENT NEAR THE SURFACE DEVELOPS BY 18Z WHICH MAY MEAN EVEN STRONGER SUSTAINED WINDS OF 35 MPH IN PLACES. SOME GUSTS TO 45 MPH ARE LIKELY OVER WEST CENTRAL MN GIVEN STRONGER SPEEDS TO MIX DOWN. WE ALSO HAVE EXPANDED THE ADVISORY SLIGHTLY EAST IN SOUTH CENTRAL MN TO REFLECT CURRENT THINKING. WITH THE STRONG LOW LEVEL COLD AND DRY AIR ADVECTION AND THE CYCLONIC STRATOCU...THE TEMPS WILL HOLD STEADY IN MANY COMMUNITIES TODAY...AND MAY ACTUALLY DROP A HANDFUL OF DEGREES IN CTRL MN. EMBEDDED VORT LOBE DRIVING THE SECONDARY COLD FRONT WILL PASS DURING THE AFTERNOON AND POSSIBLY LEAD TO A LIGHT SHOWER OR FLURRY OVER CTRL MN AND WRN WI. THE 03Z SHORT RANGE ENSEMBLE FIELDS REFLECT THIS WITH TOTAL TOTAL INDICES NEAR 50 OVER THIS AREA THIS AFTN. THE CYCLONIC FLOW WILL REMAIN OVER THE REGION THROUGH THU. THE LOW CLOUDS SHOULD HOLD STEADY THROUGH AT LEAST THU MORNING BEFORE SOME PULL TO THE EAST BEGINS WITH SYSTEM DEPARTURE. A WEAK SHORT WAVE IN THE NORTHWEST FLOW IS BECOMING EVIDENT DURING FRIDAY ON GUIDANCE. WINDOW OF THETA-E RETURN IN THE 700MB AND BELOW LAYER IS VERY BRIEF AND WEAK ON THE ADIABATIC CHARTS. SO NO ADDED MENTION OF A SHOWER AT THIS POINT. BAROCLINIC ZONE AT 850MB LIFTS OVER THE AREA DURING THE WEEKEND. THE LIFT ALONG THIS HAS PROGRESSIVELY BECOME STRONGER IN SOLUTIONS AND NOW WARRANTS A SLIGHT CHANCE OF SOME LIGHT RAIN OR SNOW IN CTRL MN INTO PARTS OF WEST CTRL WI DURING SAT NIGHT AND SUN. MORE CLOUDS AND SLIGHTLY COOLER TEMPS HAVE BEEN ADDED AS WELL DURING THAT TIME. IN THE LONG RANGE...MANY UNCERTAINTIES EXIST FOR THANKSGIVING WEEK. JUST A QUICK COMPARATIVE GLANCE AT THE 500MB HEIGHTS AND 850MB THETA-E ON THE GFS AND ECMWF IN CURRENT AND PAST RUNS SHOW WIDE DISCREPANCIES IN UPPER FLOW AND LOW LEVEL BAROCLINIC ZONE AREA. STILL LOOKS LIKE A HUDSON BAY TROUGH WILL EXTEND INTO PART OF THE GREAT LAKES...KEEPING THE UPPER FLOW AT LEAST WESTERLY IF NOT NORTHWESTERLY DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. THIS ALONG WITH 13/12Z HPC 6-10 DAY GUIDANCE WOULD IMPLY TEMPS NEAR OR BELOW NORMAL. && .AVIATION... BAND OF LIGHT RAIN ASSOCIATED WITH FROPA AND UPPER TROUGH SHOULD EXIT WEST CENTRAL WISCONSIN AROUND 06Z. SOME AC/CIRRUS POSSIBLE ACROSS AREA THEREAFTER...BEFORE MORE SIGNIFICANT CAA AND GRADIENT WINDS DEVELOP WED MORNING. MODELS INDICATE LOW LEVEL RH OR STRATOCUMULUS DECK SHOULD DROP SOUTH OVER AT LEAST CENTRAL MN/MUCH OF WC WI BY MID MORNING WED. WILL MENTION SOME MVFR CIGS DEVELOPING ACROSS ALL OF TAF SITES BY 18Z. MAY SEE A FLURRY OVER THE NORTHERN CWA WED AFTERNOON AS WELL. WILL LEAVE OUT OF RWF/MSP TAFS FOR NOW. WEST TO NORTHWEST WINDS WILL INCREASE WEDNESDAY MORNING SA WELL...WITH SOME 40KT PLUS WIND GUSTS LIKELY DEVELOPING WC/SW MN. LOW CLOUDS EXPECTED TO HOLD FIRM THROUGH 06Z AS COLD CORE MOVES ACROSS THE AREA. && .MPX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... MN...WIND ADVISORY FROM 6 AM THIS MORNING TO 6 PM CST THIS AFTERNOON FOR CHIPPEWA-DOUGLAS-KANDIYOHI-LAC QUI PARLE-POPE-STEARNS- STEVENS-SWIFT-TODD-YELLOW MEDICINE COUNTIES. WIND ADVISORY FROM 9 AM THIS MORNING TO 6 PM CST THIS AFTERNOON FOR BLUE EARTH-BROWN-FARIBAULT-FREEBORN-LE SUEUR-MARTIN- MCLEOD-MEEKER-NICOLLET-REDWOOD-RENVILLE-SIBLEY- WATONWAN COUNTIES. WI...NONE. && $$ MTF/DWE
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS NORTH PLATTE NE
255 PM CST WED NOV 14 2007 .DISCUSSION... TIGHT PRESSURE GRADIENT BETWEEN EXITING LOW AND SFC HIGH PUSHING INTO NORTHERN ROCKIES. WITH GUSTS STILL TO 45KTS...WILL KEEP THE WIND ADVISORY GOING UNTIL AT LEAST 00Z. THE BIG QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE WINDS WILL DROP OFF AS THE SUN GOES DOWN. H8 WINDS REMAIN AT 40-45KTS OVER THE EASTERN PART OF THE FORECAST AREA THROUGH 06Z. MAY NEED TO EXTEND THE WIND ADVISORY TO 02Z WHEN THE INVERSION REALLY STARTS TO DECOUPLE THE WINDS. MODELS ARE IN PRETTY GOOD AGREEMENT THROUGH ABOUT SUN WITH NORTHWEST FLOW OVER THE AREA. HOWEVER...AFTER SUN THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE. THE GFS KEEPS THE SYSTEM AS AN OPEN WAVE THAT STARTS OUT OVER THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST TUE AND THEN DROPS THE MAIN UPPER LOW DOWN INTO WESTERN TX BY FRI MORNING. THE ECMWF CUTS THE LOW OFF OVER THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST AND MOVES IT VERY SLOWLY EASTWARD. IN THIS SCENARIO...THE ONSET OF PCPN WOULD HOLD OFF UNTIL WED BUT WOULD LINGER INTO THE WEEKEND. THIS WILL NEED TO BE WATCHED OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL RUNS AS THIS WILL IMPACT HOLIDAY TRAVELERS. LOOKS LIKE SOME OVERRUNNING CLOUDS AND PCPN WILL DEVELOP AND WITH H8 TEMPS DROPPING WELL BELOW ZERO...EXPECT SNOW OVER THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CWA WITH RAIN POSSIBLY MIXED WITH SNOW SOUTH TUE AND WED. && .AVIATION... VFR CONDITIONS SHOULD BE IN PLACE ACROSS NEBRASKA INTO THE FRONT RANGE OF THE ROCKIES OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS. THE MAIN CONCERN TO LIGHT AIRCRAFT WILL BE NORTHWEST WINDS GUSTING OVER 40 MPH THROUGH SUNSET ACROSS THE AREA. AFTER SUNSET THESE WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO QUICKLY CALM DOWN. .FIRE WEATHER... DRY ATMOSPHERE...DRY FUELS AND BREEZY CONDITIONS WILL ONCE AGAIN ELEVATE FIRE WEATHER CONCERNS THURSDAY AFTERNOON. RH LEVELS WILL DROP TO NEAR 20 PERCENT MAINLY ALONG AND SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 80 BY MID AFTERNOON ON THURSDAY...THIS ALONG WITH SOUTHERLY WINDS OF 15 TO 25 MPH SHOULD BRING NEAR CRITICAL FIRE WEATHER CONDITIONS AND WILL BE MONITORED FOR FIRE HEADLINES. FIRE STARTS HAVE BEEN MORE NUMEROUS THE PAST FEW WEEKS WITH THE EXTENDED DRY AND WARM PERIOD LEADING TO EXTENDED OUTDOOR RECREATION AND AGRICULTURAL OPPORTUNITIES. && .LBF WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 8 PM CST /7 PM MST/ THIS EVENING FOR NEZ004>010-022>029-035>038-056-057-059-094. && $$ 13/75
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS ABERDEEN SD
1004 AM CST WED NOV 14 2007 .UPDATE... HAVE UPDATED FORECAST FOR FLURRIES/LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS MOVING ACROSS THE BORDER FROM NORTH DAKOTA WHERE MORE WIDESPREAD SNOW SHOWERS WERE OCCURRING. THIS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE AFTERNOON UNTIL THE SATURATED LATER BETWEEN H7 AND H8 LAYERS BEGINS TO DRY. OTHERWISE GOING FORECAST IS GOOD AND WILL CONTINUE WIND ADVISORY THROUGH 00Z. && .PREV DISCUSSION... .SHORT TERM...TODAY THROUGH FRIDAY SECONDARY COLD FRONT WILL BE MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE CWA EARLY THIS MORNING. LOW CLOUDS WERE ALONG THE LEADING EDGE OF THE COLD FRONT ALONG WITH A MARKED INCREASE IN WINDS. WIND GUSTS OVER 50 MPH HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN ND AS THE FRONT PASSED THROUGH. OTHERWISE...MODEL SOUNDINGS ACROSS THE CWA POINT TO A DEEP MIXED LAYER THROUGH THE DAY WITH DEEP STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS ALONG WITH A CLOUD LAYER MOVING IN/FORMING AT MOST LOCATIONS THROUGH THIS MORNING. THUS...THE WIND ADVISORY LOOKS GOOD THROUGH 6 PM CST TODAY. WITH CAA ALONG WITH THE LOW CLOUDS MOVING IN...THE HIGH TEMPERATURES FOR TODAY WILL BE EARLY THIS MORNING ACROSS MUCH OF THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN CWA. EXPECT THE LOW CLOUDS TO REMAIN IN ACROSS MUCH OF THE EASTERN CWA THROUGH THIS EVENING. WITH THE SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE REMAINING OFF TO THE WEST OF THE CWA AND A DECENT SURFACE PRESSURE GRADIENT...NORTHWEST WINDS WILL DROP OFF SOME THIS EVENING. AS THE CLOUDS MOVE OUT AND THE PRESSURE GRADIENT LOOSENS...THE WINDS WILL DROP OFF QUITE A BIT...ESPECIALLY WEST IN THE CWA AFTER MIDNIGHT. LOWS TONIGHT WILL BE TRICKY...DEPENDING ON WHEN THE SKIES CLEAR AND WINDS DROP OFF. THE SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE QUICKLY BUILDS EAST ON THURSDAY WITH WINDS BECOMING SOUTH. THURSDAY WILL BE A LITTLE WARMER THAN TODAY WITH 85H TEMPERATURES RISING ALONG WITH MORE SUNSHINE. THE MODEL SOUNDINGS AND SURFACE CHARTS SHOW A WARM FRONT RETURNING THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING. INDICATIONS ARE THAT MID AND HIGH CLOUDS WILL INCREASE...HELPING KEEP TEMPERATURES UP ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND COULD TEMPER WARMING ON FRIDAY. ALTHOUGH...FRIDAY WILL STILL BE WARMER THAN THURSDAY WITH NOT MUCH WIND. INCREASED HIGHS FOR FRIDAY. THERE MAY BE SOME MID LEVEL LIGHT SNOW/FLURRIES WITH THE WAA ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND EARLY FRIDAY AS SHOWN BY THE GFS. WITH THE VERY DRY LOW LEVELS...WILL KEEP PRECIPITATION CHANCES OUT AT THIS POINT. .LONG TERM...FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY FORECAST CHALLENGES...PRECIPITATION POTENTIAL AND TYPE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING...ALONG WITH TEMPERATURES ON SATURDAY. NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE 00Z GFS/EC SOLUTIONS. BOTH MODELS APPEAR TO BE CONVERGING ON A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT LONGWAVE TROF AND UPPER CIRCULATION CENTER OVER THE CENTRAL ROCKIES BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. UNTIL THEN...THE FLOW PATTERN ALOFT CONTINUES TO BE ONE OF EITHER NW FLOW OR FASTER ZONAL FLOW. CAVEAT TO TEMPERATURES ON SATURDAY...THE 00Z GFS SOLUTION INDICATES A LITTLE BIT OF SHALLOW COLD AIR INTRUDING INTO THE FORECAST AREA FROM THE NORTHEAST FRIDAY NIGHT AND INTO SATURDAY /BEST SEEN IN THE 925HPA THERMAL PROGS/. THIS WAS HANDLED WELL IN THE GRIDS...SO NO REAL CHANGE NOTED THERE. AN UPPER WAVE OF MODERATE STRENGTH/DYNAMICS...AS PROGGED IN THE 00Z GFS RUN...IS SET TO SWEEP THROUGH NORTH DAKOTA AND NORTHERN MINNESOTA SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY. THERE IS SOME STRONG UPPER LEVEL JET SUPPORT FOR ENHANCEMENT OF MID-LEVEL FORCING...HOWEVER ADEQUATE LOW/MID LEVEL MOISTURE TO PRODUCE MORE THAN VIRGA ACROSS THE NERN THIRD OF FORECAST ZONES SATURDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY SUNDAY REMAINS TO BE SEEN. DID TOSS IN A TOKEN 20 POP TO BLEND UP TO NORTHERN BORDERING NEIGHBOR FOR SATURDAY NIGHT. PRECIPITATION TYPE MAY START OUT AS SOME LIGHT RAIN OR LIGHT FREEZING RAIN...BUT AS THE COLUMN SATURATES/COOLS...COULD SEE SOME LIGHT SNOW IN THE MIX AS WELL. TEMPERATURES ON SUNDAY APPEAR SIMILAR TO THOSE OF SATURDAY IN MAINLY NEUTRAL THERMAL ADVECTION PATTERN LEADING INTO NEXT WEEK. NO CHANGES MADE BEYOND SUNDAY...ALTHOUGH...COULD BE LOOKING AT A BETTER SHOT AT SOME OVER-RUNNING/WAA-TYPE PRECIPITATION BY MID TO LATE NEXT WEEK...DEPENDING ON EVOLUTION AND TRACK OF UPPER CIRCULATION PROGGED TO SET UP SHOP OVER CENTRAL ROCKIES BY NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT. && .AVIATION... VFR CONDITIONS WILL PREVAIL OVERNIGHT AND INTO THE DAY ON WEDNESDAY...ALTHOUGH A SCATTERED TO BROKEN DECK OF STRATUS CLOUDS /WITH BASES FROM 3500 TO 6500 FT AGL/ WILL SWEEP SOUTHWARD ACROSS THE KABR AND KATY TERMINALS FOR MUCH OF THE TAF VALID PERIOD. THE KMBG AND KPIR TERMINALS SHOULD REMAIN CLEAR OF ANY OF THESE STRATUS CLOUDS. WIND SPEEDS WILL BE THE REAL CHALLENGE OVER THE NEXT 18 HOURS OR SO. LOW LEVEL WIND SHEAR IS EXPECTED ACROSS MUCH OF THE REGION...PER 04Z-05Z TAMDAR SOUNDING DATA AT THE KATY...KABR AND KPIR TERMINALS UNTIL THE RATHER STRONG WINDS SWEEPING SOUTHWARD OUT OF NORTH DAKOTA REACH THE TERMINALS IN THIS FORECAST AREA. AT THE SURFACE WEST WINDS BETWEEN 15 AND 25 KNOTS TURN TO A NORTHWEST DIRECTION AROUND 55 TO 60 KNOTS WITHIN THE FIRST THOUSAND FEET OF THE ATMOSPHERE. HOWEVER...ONCE A REINFORCING SHOT OF COLD AIR /ACCOMPANYING THE STRATUS CLOUDS/ REACHES THIS FORECAST AREA...WINDS WILL SWITCH AROUND TO THE NORTHWEST AND INCREASE AT THE SURFACE TO 25 TO 35 KNOTS WITH HIGHER GUSTS. THIS WIND SHIFT AND INCREASE IN SPEED SHOULD OCCUR AT ALL 4 TERMINALS BETWEEN 08Z AND 11Z THIS MORNING...AND PERSIST WELL INTO THE AFTERNOON ON WEDNESDAY. && .ABR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SD...WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM CST /5 PM MST/ THIS AFTERNOON FOR BROWN- BUFFALO-CAMPBELL-CLARK-CODINGTON-CORSON-DAY-DEUEL-DEWEY- EDMUNDS-FAULK-GRANT-HAMLIN-HAND-HUGHES-HYDE-JONES-LYMAN- MARSHALL-MCPHERSON-POTTER-ROBERTS-SPINK-STANLEY-SULLY- WALWORTH. MN...WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS AFTERNOON FOR BIG STONE- TRAVERSE. && $$ UPDATE...CONNELLY SHORT TERM...MOHR LONG TERM...DORN AVIATION...DORN
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS ABERDEEN SD
322 AM CST WED NOV 14 2007 .SHORT TERM...TODAY THROUGH FRIDAY SECONDARY COLD FRONT WILL BE MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE CWA EARLY THIS MORNING. LOW CLOUDS WERE ALONG THE LEADING EDGE OF THE COLD FRONT ALONG WITH A MARKED INCREASE IN THE WINDS. WIND GUSTS OVER 50 MPH HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN ND AS THE FRONT PASSED THROUGH. OTHERWISE...MODEL SOUNDINGS ACROSS THE CWA POINT TO A DEEP MIXED LAYER THROUGH THE DAY WITH DEEP STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS ALONG WITH A CLOUD LAYER MOVING IN/FORMING AT MOST LOCATIONS THROUGH THIS MORNING. THUS...THE WIND ADVISORY LOOKS GOOD THROUGH 6 PM CST TODAY. WITH CAA ALONG WITH THE LOW CLOUDS MOVING IN...THE HIGH TEMPERATURES FOR TODAY WILL BE EARLY THIS MORNING ACROSS MUCH OF THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN CWA. EXPECT THE LOW CLOUDS TO REMAIN IN ACROSS MUCH OF THE EASTERN CWA THROUGH THIS EVENING. WITH THE SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE REMAINING OFF TO THE WEST OF THE CWA AND A DECENT SURFACE PRESSURE GRADIENT...NORTHWEST WINDS WILL DROP OFF SOME THIS EVENING. AS THE CLOUDS MOVE OUT AND THE PRESSURE GRADIENT LOOSENS...THE WINDS WILL DROP OFF QUITE A BIT...ESPECIALLY WEST IN THE CWA AFTER MIDNIGHT. LOWS TONIGHT WILL BE TRICKY...DEPENDING ON WHEN THE SKIES CLEAR AND WINDS DROP OFF. THE SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE QUICKLY BUILDS EAST ON THURSDAY WITH WINDS BECOMING SOUTH. THURSDAY WILL BE A LITTLE WARMER THAN TODAY WITH 85H TEMPERATURES RISING ALONG WITH MORE SUNSHINE. THE MODEL SOUNDINGS AND SURFACE CHARTS SHOW A WARM FRONT RETURNING THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING. INDICATIONS ARE THAT MID AND HIGH CLOUDS WILL INCREASE...HELPING KEEP TEMPERATURES UP ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND COULD TEMPER WARMING ON FRIDAY. ALTHOUGH...FRIDAY WILL STILL BE WARMER THAN THURSDAY WITH NOT MUCH WIND. INCREASED HIGHS FOR FRIDAY. THERE MAY BE SOME MID LEVEL LIGHT SNOW/FLURRIES WITH THE WAA ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND EARLY FRIDAY AS SHOWN BY THE GFS. WITH THE VERY DRY LOW LEVELS...WILL KEEP PRECIPITATION CHANCES OUT AT THIS POINT. .LONG TERM...FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY FORECAST CHALLENGES...PRECIPITATION POTENTIAL AND TYPE SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING...ALONG WITH TEMPERATURES ON SATURDAY. NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE 00Z GFS/EC SOLUTIONS. BOTH MODELS APPEAR TO BE CONVERGING ON A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT LONGWAVE TROF AND UPPER CIRCULATION CENTER OVER THE CENTRAL ROCKIES BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. UNTIL THEN...THE FLOW PATTERN ALOFT CONTINUES TO BE ONE OF EITHER NW FLOW OR FASTER ZONAL FLOW. CAVEAT TO TEMPERATURES ON SATURDAY...THE 00Z GFS SOLUTION INDICATES A LITTLE BIT OF SHALLOW COLD AIR INTRUDING INTO THE FORECAST AREA FROM THE NORTHEAST FRIDAY NIGHT AND INTO SATURDAY /BEST SEEN IN THE 925HPA THERMAL PROGS/. THIS WAS HANDLED WELL IN THE GRIDS...SO NO REAL CHANGE NOTED THERE. AN UPPER WAVE OF MODERATE STRENGTH/DYNAMICS...AS PROGGED IN THE 00Z GFS RUN...IS SET TO SWEEP THROUGH NORTH DAKOTA AND NORTHERN MINNESOTA SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY. THERE IS SOME STRONG UPPER LEVEL JET SUPPORT FOR ENHANCEMENT OF MID-LEVEL FORCING...HOWEVER ADEQUATE LOW/MID LEVEL MOISTURE TO PRODUCE MORE THAN VIRGA ACROSS THE NERN THIRD OF FORECAST ZONES SATURDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY SUNDAY REMAINS TO BE SEEN. DID TOSS IN A TOKEN 20 POP TO BLEND UP TO NORTHERN BORDERING NEIGHBOR FOR SATURDAY NIGHT. PRECIPITATION TYPE MAY START OUT AS SOME LIGHT RAIN OR LIGHT FREEZING RAIN...BUT AS THE COLUMN SATURATES/COOLS...COULD SEE SOME LIGHT SNOW IN THE MIX AS WELL. TEMPERATURES ON SUNDAY APPEAR SIMILAR TO THOSE OF SATURDAY IN MAINLY NEUTRAL THERMAL ADVECTION PATTERN LEADING INTO NEXT WEEK. NO CHANGES MADE BEYOND SUNDAY...ALTHOUGH...COULD BE LOOKING AT A BETTER SHOT AT SOME OVER-RUNNING/WAA-TYPE PRECIPITATION BY MID TO LATE NEXT WEEK...DEPENDING ON EVOLUTION AND TRACK OF UPPER CIRCULATION PROGGED TO SET UP SHOP OVER CENTRAL ROCKIES BY NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT. && .AVIATION... VFR CONDITIONS WILL PREVAIL OVERNIGHT AND INTO THE DAY ON WEDNESDAY...ALTHOUGH A SCATTERED TO BROKEN DECK OF STRATUS CLOUDS /WITH BASES FROM 3500 TO 6500 FT AGL/ WILL SWEEP SOUTHWARD ACROSS THE KABR AND KATY TERMINALS FOR MUCH OF THE TAF VALID PERIOD. THE KMBG AND KPIR TERMINALS SHOULD REMAIN CLEAR OF ANY OF THESE STRATUS CLOUDS. WIND SPEEDS WILL BE THE REAL CHALLENGE OVER THE NEXT 18 HOURS OR SO. LOW LEVEL WIND SHEAR IS EXPECTED ACROSS MUCH OF THE REGION...PER 04Z-05Z TAMDAR SOUNDING DATA AT THE KATY...KABR AND KPIR TERMINALS UNTIL THE RATHER STRONG WINDS SWEEPING SOUTHWARD OUT OF NORTH DAKOTA REACH THE TERMINALS IN THIS FORECAST AREA. AT THE SURFACE WEST WINDS BETWEEN 15 AND 25 KNOTS TURN TO A NORTHWEST DIRECTION AROUND 55 TO 60 KNOTS WITHIN THE FIRST THOUSAND FEET OF THE ATMOSPHERE. HOWEVER...ONCE A REINFORCING SHOT OF COLD AIR /ACCOMPANYING THE STRATUS CLOUDS/ REACHES THIS FORECAST AREA...WINDS WILL SWITCH AROUND TO THE NORTHWEST AND INCREASE AT THE SURFACE TO 25 TO 35 KNOTS WITH HIGHER GUSTS. THIS WIND SHIFT AND INCREASE IN SPEED SHOULD OCCUR AT ALL 4 TERMINALS BETWEEN 08Z AND 11Z THIS MORNING...AND PERSIST WELL INTO THE AFTERNOON ON WEDNESDAY. && .ABR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SD...WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM CST /5 PM MST/ THIS AFTERNOON FOR BROWN- BUFFALO-CAMPBELL-CLARK-CODINGTON-CORSON-DAY-DEUEL-DEWEY- EDMUNDS-FAULK-GRANT-HAMLIN-HAND-HUGHES-HYDE-JONES-LYMAN- MARSHALL-MCPHERSON-POTTER-ROBERTS-SPINK-STANLEY-SULLY- WALWORTH. MN...WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS AFTERNOON FOR BIG STONE- TRAVERSE. && $$ SHORT TERM...MOHR LONG TERM...DORN AVIATION...DORN
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS MORRISTOWN TN
949 AM EST WED NOV 14 2007 .DISCUSSION... A SURFACE COLD FRONT IS CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE OHIO VALLEY. AHEAD OF THE FRONT...VISIBLE SATELLITE SHOWS CONVECTIVE CLOUDS OVER WEST AND MIDDLE TN...INDICATING AN UNSTABLE AIR MASS. BEFORE THUNDERSTORMS AFFECT OUR AREA...A STRONG MIDLEVEL INVERSION BETWEEN 650 AND 600 MB MUST ERODE. ACARS SOUNDINGS SHOW THIS INVERSION IS WEAKER TO THE WEST...AND MODEL SOUNDINGS SHOW IT WEAKENING LATE THIS AFTERNOON WHEN A 600 MB TEMPERATURE GRADIENT PASSES THROUGH. UNTIL THEN WE SHOULD SEE SCATTERED LIGHT SHOWERS...MAINLY IN NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THE AREA. PLENTY OF SUN IN THE SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL TENNESSEE VALLEY THIS MORNING WILL LIKELY ENHANCE THUNDERSTORMS AND SEVERE POTENTIAL THIS EVENING. WILL ISSUE AN SPS TO MENTION THE THREAT OF SEVERE THIS EVENING IN SOUTHERN AND WESTERN COUNTIES. THE FORECAST UPDATE WILL ALSO RAISE TEMPS IN THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE AREA. && .MRX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... NC...NONE. TN...NONE. VA...NONE. && $$ DGS

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS MARQUETTE MI
400 AM EST FRI NOV 16 2007 .DISCUSSION... 00Z RAOBS/LATEST WV IMAGERY SHOW NW FLOW ALF OVER THE UPR GRT LKS BTWN DEEP UPR TROF OVER THE E CENTERED NEAR HUDSON BAY AND RDG OVER THE ROCKIES. THE UPR TROF IS TENDING TO SHIFT TO THE E WITH 12Z-24Z H3 HGT RISES AOA 200M IN THE UPR MS VALLEY. APRCH OF ASSOCIATED SFC RDG AXIS STRETCHING FM NW ONTARIO SWD ALG THE MS RIVER HAS CAUSED SKIES TO CLR OVER THE W AS OF 04Z...BUT NW FLOW OF COLD AIR (H85 TEMP -11C AT GRB WITH INVRN BASE ARND H8 SHOWN ON 00Z APX RAOB/02Z TAMDAR SDNG FM SAW) IS CAUSING QUITE A BIT OF LK SC OVER THE ERN ZNS ALG WITH SOME LGT LES. BUT DRY AIR APRNT UNDER THE INVRN BASE HAS SGNFTLY REDUCED THE INTENSITY OF THE SN...WITH REFLECTIVITY NO HIER THAN 16-20DBZ IN WEAKLY DVLPD BANDS ACRS WRN ALGER COUNTY AS OF 04Z. LOOKING UPSTREAM...THREE SHRTWVS OF INTEREST. THE FIRST IS DROPPING INTO NRN MANITOBA. THE OTHER TWO ARE OVER NRN SASKATCHEWAN AND WRN ND. HI CLDS IN ADVANCE OF THESE FEATURES ARE ALREADY MOVING INTO THE NW GRT LKS. BUT DRYNESS OF AIRMASS PER 00Z BIS/YQD/INL/YPL SDNGS INDICATES WHY LTL IF ANY PCPN REPORTED UNDER THE CLD COVER. MAIN FCST CONCERNS THIS PACKAGE REVOLVE ARND PCPN/LES CHCS ASSOCIATED WITH UPSTREAM SHRTWVS. FOR TDAY...NW FLOW ALF FCST TO CONTINUE ACRS THE FA WITH THIS AIRSTREAM FORCING SASKATCHEWAN/ND SHRTWVS TO STAY TO THE S. ALTHOUGH SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC ACCOMPANYING ND SHRTWV PROGGED TO BRUSH THE SRN TIER ZNS THIS MRNG/EARLY AFTN. GFS FCSTS A FEW HUNDREDTHS OF AN INCH OF PCPN NR THE WI BORDER THRU 18Z...BUT PREFER THE ZERO QPF SHOWN BY THE DRIER NAM CONSIDERING DRY AIR SHOWN ON UPSTREAM SDNGS AND GFS FCST SHARPEST H85-7 FGEN STAYING S OF THE BORDER. HOWEVER...SOME FLURRIES ARE NOW FALLING IN NW MN...SO KEPT FLURRIES IN NEAR THE WI BORDER. DURING THE AFTN...APRCH OF MANITOBA SHRTWV THRU NW ONTARIO/SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC WL LIKELY CAUSE AT LEAST WEAK LES OVER THE E TO PERSIST IN LGT NW FLOW TO THE E OF SFC RDG AXIS PROGGED TO DRIFT INTO THE CENTRAL CWA BY 00Z. IN FACT...NAM FCST SDNG FOR ERY SHOWS INVRN BASE RISING TO 6K FT BY 00Z WITH APRCH OF THIS SHRTWV. HOWEVER...YPL SDNG IS SO DRY THAT ANY ACTIVITY SHOULD BE ON THE LGT SIDE. NAM/GFS FCST SDNGS FOR ERY SHOW THE IMPACT OF THE DRY AIR. WL FCST ONLY FLURRIES THIS AFTN OVER THE E. SHRTWV DROPPING THRU ONTARIO PROGGED TO REACH NRN LK SUP LATE TNGT. SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC FCST IN ADVANCE OF THIS SHRTWV THIS EVNG. ALTHOUGH SETUP WOULD APPEAR TO FAVOR A PD OF LK ENHANCED SN WITH DVLPG LLVL NNE FLOW IN THE EVNG WHILE THESE DYNAMICS ARE IN PLAY...FCST SDNGS EVEN NEAR LK SUP ARE QUITE DRY AND FLOW LGT/ TENDING TOWARD ACYC WITH ONLY WEAK LLVL CNVGC. OPTED TO CUT POPS BACK TO NO MORE THAN 30 NEAR LK SUP IN THE EVNG. ANY ACTIVITY WL TEND TOWARD PURE LES AFT 06Z...BUT LARGE SCALE ACYC FLOW/DRY ADVCTN FM THE NE WL GREATLY LIMIT COVG/INTENSITY OF SHSN DESPITE FVRBL OVER LK INSTABILITY (H85 TEMPS AS LO AS -12C) AND INVRN HGT UP TO H825 PER GFS/NAM FCST SDNGS. MAINTAINED SOMEWHAT HIER 40 POP OVER THE HIER TERRAIN OF THE NCNTRL FAVORED BY EXPECTED NNE FLOW. UKMET IS MUCH FASTER THAN GFS/NAM/CNDN MODELS IN BLDG HI PRES INTO THE UPR GRT LKS ON SAT AND ENDING LGT LES PRIMARILY IN THE NLY WIND BELTS EARLIER. WL TEND TOWARD THE MAJORITY CAMP AT THIS POINT AND MAINTAIN POPS THRU THE DAY AS H85 THERMAL TROF (TEMP ARND -11C) SWINGS THRU THE DAY. ALTHOUGH THERMAL INSTABILITY LOOKS FVRBL... DRYNESS OF AIRMASS/LARGE SCALE ACYC FLOW/WEAK CNVGC WL GREATLY LIMIT SN AMTS AS FCST SDNGS SHOW INVERTED V APPEARANCE. WITH HI PRES BLDG INTO THE UPR LKS ON SAT NGT...ANY LINGERING FLURRIES SHOULD END AS SKIES CLR WITH PWAT FCST DOWN TO 0.15 INCH BY 12Z SUN. LOOKS LIKE REAL COLD NGT SETTING UP OVER THE W WITH LGT WINDS ALLOWING EARLY DVLPMNT OF STRONG RADIATION INVRN. WL LOWER FCST MIN TEMPS AOB MOS GUIDANCE IN THESE AREAS EVEN THOUGH SOME THIN CI MIGHT ARRIVE LATE OVER THE W. THE CNDN/UKMET ARE QUITE A BIT FASTER AT BRINGING PCPN INTO WRN LK SUP LATE IN THE DAY THAN IS THE GFS/NAM AS WAD IN SW FLOW ON THE BACKSIDE OF FASTER DEPARTURE OF SFC HI DVLPS. WL MAINTAIN GOING 20 POP FOR LATER IN THE DAY OVER WRN LK SUP EVEN THOUGH U.S. MODELS ARE QUITE DRY INITIALLY. BUT GFS SATURATES ATMOSPHERE FAIRLY QUICKLY SUN NGT IN INCRSGLY MOIST SW FLOW/FAIRLY SHARP WAD...SO MAINTAINED GOING CHC POPS OVER THE W HALF THEN. ALTHOUGH MAX TEMPS ON SUN WL RISE ABV FREEZING WITH SUNSHINE MARRED BY INCRSG HI CLDS...LLVL DRY AIR/ CST THERMAL PROFILES SUG PCPN WL BE IN THE FORM OF SN SUN NGT. SHARP INVRN WITH INTENSE WAD/FCST THERMAL PROFILE ON GFS FCST SDNGS WITH POTENTIAL WBLB COOLING HINT A MESSY WINTRY MIX MIGHT BE PSBL AT LEAST ON MON MRNG...SO ADDED A CHC OF SN TO GOING FCST OF PLAIN RA BEFORE 18Z. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 06Z TAF ISSUANCE)... DRY AIR ASSOCIATED WITH A HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE MOVING INTO FAR WESTERN UPPER MI HAS EFFECTIVELY CLEARED OUT MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE CLOUDS FROM BOTH TAF SITES. HOWEVER...MID AND HIGH CLOUDS ARE MOVING ACROSS MINNESOTA ASSOCIATED WITH A CLIPPER MOVING THROUGH NE SOUTH DAKOTA. THIS CLIPPER IS EXPECTED TO MOVE DOWN INTO IOWA TONIGHT... WHICH SHOULD SPREAD THE MID AND HIGH CLOUDS ACROSS THE TAF SITES. IT REMAINS POSSIBLE THAT A 3000-4000FT DECK COULD FORM AT KCMX BY 15Z DUE TO ONSHORE FLOW DEVELOPING. WHEN THE CLIPPER MOVES DOWN INTO IOWA...WINDS TURN NORTH...SUPPORTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOW VFR CEILING AT SAW THIS EVENING. SOUNDINGS STILL LOOK TOO DRY IN THE LOW LEVELS TO MENTION ANY -SHSN FOR EITHER TAF SITE. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 AM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... OUTSIDE OF A BRIEF PERIOD OF 15 TO 25 KT WINDS ON LAKE SUPERIOR SATURDAY MORNING ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH PRESSURE BUILDING SOUTH THROUGH MANITOBA...EXPECT WINDS BELOW 20 KT ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT. ON SUNDAY...WINDS WILL BEGIN PICKING UP ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR...DUE TO THE AFOREMENTIONED HIGH PRESSURE AREA HEADING TOWARDS LAKE ONTARIO AND A STRONG SURFACE LOW CROSSING SOUTH CENTRAL CANADA. WINDS SHOULD APPROACH 25 KT BY LATE SUNDAY. WINDS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE SUNDAY NIGHT AS THE SURFACE LOW MOVES INTO WESTERN ONTARIO...WITH 35 TO 40 KT SOUTHERLY GALES DEVELOPING LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. THE HIGHEST WINDS APPEAR TO BE CONFINED TO CENTRAL AND EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR. AS THE LOW LIFTS INTO NORTHERN ONTARIO ON MONDAY...WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY RELAX WEST TO EAST. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A BRIEF TIME MONDAY MORNING ON EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR THAT SPEEDS COULD APPROACH 45 KT. A COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW WILL CROSS LAKE SUPERIOR LATE MONDAY INTO MONDAY NIGHT...WITH WINDS SHIFTING TO THE NW AND DIMINISHING TO BELOW 20 KT BEHIND IT. AS THE FRONT SHIFTS SOUTH THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN ON TUE AND HIGH PRESSURE DROPS DOWN THROUGH CENTRAL CANADA...WINDS WILL PICK UP AGAIN...PERHAPS INCREASING TO AS HIGH AS 30 KT FROM THE NORTH TUE NIGHT. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ DISCUSSION...KC AVIATION...AJ MARINE...AJ

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS SAN DIEGO CA
300 AM PST FRI NOV 16 2007 .SYNOPSIS...COOLER TODAY AND THROUGH THE WEEKEND MAINLY NEAR THE COAST...AS WEAK ONSHORE FLOW RETURNS. A DEVELOPING MARINE LAYER WILL BRING AREAS OF COASTAL LOW CLOUDS AND FOG IN THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS THROUGH MONDAY...OTHERWISE FAIR WITH CONTINUED WARM DAYS INLAND THROUGH THE WEEKEND. MUCH COOLER TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AS COLD SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE INTERIOR BRINGS GUSTY OFFSHORE WINDS. && .DISCUSSION...FOR SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA INCLUDING SAN DIEGO... ORANGE...SOUTHWEST SAN BERNARDINO AND WEST RIVERSIDE COUNTIES. A COASTAL EDDY HAS DEVELOPED AND IS HELPING TO REESTABLISH THE MARINE LAYER ALONG THE COAST. LATE EVENING MDCRS SOUNDINGS NEAR KSAN INDICATE THE MARINE LAYER HAD DEEPENED TO AROUND 700 FEET. STRATUS AND FOG HAS PUSHED INTO THE MESAS ALONG THE COAST. WILL ISSUE A DENSE FOG ADVISORY FOR THE MESAS AND THE INLAND VALLEY AREAS VALID UNTIL 830 AM. RIDGE REMAINS IN PLACE OVER THE WEST COAST THROUGH THE WEEKEND ALTHOUGH THE RIDGE DOES WEAKEN DURING THE PERIOD. THIS WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP THE AREA DRY THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THE MARINE LAYER SHOULD REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH THE WEEKEND AND DEEPEN SLIGHTLY TONIGHT TO BRING COOLING ALONG WITH NIGHT AND MORNING FOG OR LOW CLOUDS TO THE COASTAL AND SOME INLAND VALLEY AREAS. THE MEDIUM RANGE MODELS CONTINUE TO DIFFER ON TIMING FOR THE OFFSHORE FLOW EVENT FOR NEXT WEEK. THE GFS INDICATES THE OFFSHORE FLOW SHOULD MOVE INTO THE AREA BEGINNING TUESDAY WHILE THE ECMWF INDICATES WEDNESDAY OR WEDNESDAY NIGHT OF NEXT WEEK. ALSO...THE GFS NOW INDICATES THE SHORTWAVE TROUGH THAT WILL SWING THROUGH AHEAD OF THE OFFSHORE FLOW WILL BE TRACKING A LITTLE MORE TO THE SOUTHEAST TOWARDS THE FOUR CORNERS AREA INSTEAD OF DROPPING SOUTH JUST INLAND FROM THE COAST. THE ECMWF BRINGS THE SHORTWAVE SOUTHWARD BUT A LITTLE FURTHER INLAND THAN PREVIOUS RUNS. STILL LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT OFFSHORE FLOW EVENT FOR NEXT WEEK. THICKNESS VALUES WITH THE NEXT WEEK EVENT CONTINUE TO INDICATE A COOLER EVENT THAN PREVIOUS. && .AVIATION... 160900Z...MARINE LAYER VARIABLE FROM ABOUT 500 FT TO 1000 FT. DENSE FOG WITH AREAS OF 1/4SM VSBY ALONG THE COAST UNTIL ABOUT 9 AM. COASTAL EDDY HAS CRANKED UP AND WILL CONTINUE THROUGH SATURDAY. EXPECT THE MARINE LAYER TO INCREASE TO ABOUT 1500 FT PLUS WITH DENSE FOG AGAIN TONIGHT AND SATURDAY MORNING MAINLY OVER THE MESAS. OTHERWISE SOME HIGH CLOUDS MOVING OVER TODAY AND SATURDAY. && .SGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT...SEE LAXSPSSGX. DENSE FOG ADVISORY...SEE LAXNPWSGX. && $$ PUBLIC...HORTON AVIATION...WHITLOW
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
951 AM EST FRI NOV 16 2007 .SYNOPSIS... GUSTY NORTHWEST WINDS WILL BRING BLUSTERY CONDITIONS TO THE REGION TODAY. SNOW SHOWERS OVER THE APPALACHIANS WILL DIMINISH THROUGH THE AFTERNOON. A CLIPPER-LIKE SYSTEM WILL BRING A CHANCE OF RAIN SHOWERS SAT AFTERNOON AND EVENING ALONG WITH MOUNTAIN SNOW SHOWERS. HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH A WARMING TREND EXPECTED DURING THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. && .NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 PM THIS EVENING/... WATER VAPOR LOOP SHOWS A POSITIVELY TILTED TROUGH MOVING THROUGH NEW ENGLAND. A WAVE IS EMBEDDED IN NORTHWESTERLY FLOW OVER THE MIDWEST. AN UPPER LOW CONTINUES TO ROTATE NEAR BAJA CALIFORNIA. ACARS 400-250MB WIND OBSERVATIONS SHOW A 80-100KT NORTHWESTERLY FLOW ACROSS THE CENTRAL CONUS PHASES WITH THE SOUTHERN STREAM ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST CONUS. 12Z SURFACE ANALYSIS PLACED A STATIONARY BOUNDARY FROM A 986MB CYCLONE IN EASTERN MAINE...WEST THROUGH THE UPPER MIDWEST. A 1026MB ANTICYCLONE DOMINATED THE GULF STATES...WITH A TROUGH IN THE LEE OF THE CAROLINA APPALACHIANS. WARM ADVECTION EXPECTED TO SHIFT LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS NORTH THROUGH THE DAY. WITH ONLY A WEAK LOW LEVEL INVERSION NOTED ON THE 12Z KIAD RAOB...EXPECT DOWNSLOPE FLOW TO ERODE STRATO-CU EAST OF THE MOUNTAINS. BY LATE AFTERNOON...MID LEVEL CLOUDS WILL APPROACH FROM THE WEST AHEAD OF THE NEXT SUBTLE SHORTWAVE. PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL SUPPORT WIND GUSTS AROUND 30 MPH THROUGH THE MID AFTERNOON (WITH 40KTS SHOWN THIS MORNING AT 850MB PER 12Z KIAD RAOB AND ACARS SOUNDINGS). WITH A LACK OF A NOCTURNAL INVERSION...TEMPERATURES WILL GRADUALLY RISE THROUGH THE 40S TODAY...EXCEPT REMAINING IN THE 30S IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN WITH SOME AREAS RECEIVING SEVERAL INCHES OF SNOW. && .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH 6 AM SATURDAY/... RIDGE OF HIGH PRES WILL BUILD TONIGHT AND WINDS WILL SUBSIDE AFTER SUNSET. WEAK WARM ADVECTION ALOFT WILL SUPPORT PARTLY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES. NO MEASURABLE PRECIP IS EXPECTED HOWEVER GFS RH/OMEGA H7-H5 FIELDS SUGGEST A FEW FLURRIES POSSIBLE TOWARD 12Z SAT W OF THE BLUE RIDGE. NOT ENOUGH CONFIDENCE TO MENTION IT ATTM. && .LONG TERM /SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/... NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO EXTENDED FORECAST. MODELS STILL FORECASTING CLIPPER SYSTEM TO PASS THROUGH AREA SATURDAY NIGHT WITH SFC LOW TRACKING ACROSS N VA. GFS APPEARS TO BE THE WETTEST MODEL ALTHOUGH NAM/GFS/EC ALL HAVE SIMILAR FEATURES AND TIMING. TRIMMED PRECIP CHCS DOWN ACROSS SOUTHERN ZONES SINCE BULK OF SHOWERS WILL OCCUR ALONG AND NORTH OF CLOSED H85 LOW...ALONG PA BORDER. GENERALLY BENIGN WX FOR THE EARLY PART OF THE WEEK WITH ZONAL FLOW OVERHEAD AND A SLOW WARMING TREND. SFC HIGH PRESSURE WILL PUSH DOWN THE COAST AND THEN EVENTUALLY SLIDE EAST OF THE AREA BY WED. WAA CLOUDS SHOULD MOVE INTO THE AREA WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY...ALTHOUGH IF WE SEE SOME SUNSHINE ON THU...IT COULD BE THE WARMEST DAY OF THE WEEK...AROUND 60 IN THE METRO AREAS. BOTH THE EC/GFS SPIN-UP A POTENT SFC LOW ACROSS THE MIDWEST...EC FURTHER EAST...AND TRA && .AVIATION /15Z FRIDAY THROUGH TUESDAY/... PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL SUPPORT 25-30KT NNW WIND GUSTS AS SNOW SHOWERS DISSIPATE THROUGH THE DAY IN THE MOUNTAINS. SCATTERED RAIN SHOWERS ACROSS MARYLAND AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA SATURDAY NIGHT. POSSIBLE MVFR CONDITIONS WITH THIS CLIPPER TYPE SYSTEM...OTHEWINTHERISE VFR CONDITIONS THROUGH MID WEEK. && .MARINE... PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL SUPPORT 25-30KT NNW WIND GUSTS...WHICH ARE EXPECTED TO CALM THROUGH THE EVENING HOURS. POSSIBLE SCA AGAIN ON SUNDAY. && .LWX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... DC...NONE. MD...NONE. VA...NONE. WV...NONE. MARINE...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 11 PM EST THIS EVENING FOR ANZ530>534-537. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR ANZ535- 536. && $$ SYNOPSIS...ROGOWSKI NEAR TERM...ROGOWSKI SHORT TERM...ROSA LONG TERM...WINTHER AVIATION...ROGOWSKI/ROSA MARINE...ROGOWSKI/ROSA
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NWS MARQUETTE MI
701 AM EST FRI NOV 16 2007 UPDATED AVIATION SECTION FOR 12Z TAF ISSUANCE .DISCUSSION... 00Z RAOBS/LATEST WV IMAGERY SHOW NW FLOW ALF OVER THE UPR GRT LKS BTWN DEEP UPR TROF OVER THE E CENTERED NEAR HUDSON BAY AND RDG OVER THE ROCKIES. THE UPR TROF IS TENDING TO SHIFT TO THE E WITH 12Z-24Z H3 HGT RISES AOA 200M IN THE UPR MS VALLEY. APRCH OF ASSOCIATED SFC RDG AXIS STRETCHING FM NW ONTARIO SWD ALG THE MS RIVER HAS CAUSED SKIES TO CLR OVER THE W AS OF 04Z...BUT NW FLOW OF COLD AIR (H85 TEMP -11C AT GRB WITH INVRN BASE ARND H8 SHOWN ON 00Z APX RAOB/02Z TAMDAR SDNG FM SAW) IS CAUSING QUITE A BIT OF LK SC OVER THE ERN ZNS ALG WITH SOME LGT LES. BUT DRY AIR APRNT UNDER THE INVRN BASE HAS SGNFTLY REDUCED THE INTENSITY OF THE SN...WITH REFLECTIVITY NO HIER THAN 16-20DBZ IN WEAKLY DVLPD BANDS ACRS WRN ALGER COUNTY AS OF 04Z. LOOKING UPSTREAM...THREE SHRTWVS OF INTEREST. THE FIRST IS DROPPING INTO NRN MANITOBA. THE OTHER TWO ARE OVER NRN SASKATCHEWAN AND WRN ND. HI CLDS IN ADVANCE OF THESE FEATURES ARE ALREADY MOVING INTO THE NW GRT LKS. BUT DRYNESS OF AIRMASS PER 00Z BIS/YQD/INL/YPL SDNGS INDICATES WHY LTL IF ANY PCPN REPORTED UNDER THE CLD COVER. MAIN FCST CONCERNS THIS PACKAGE REVOLVE ARND PCPN/LES CHCS ASSOCIATED WITH UPSTREAM SHRTWVS. FOR TDAY...NW FLOW ALF FCST TO CONTINUE ACRS THE FA WITH THIS AIRSTREAM FORCING SASKATCHEWAN/ND SHRTWVS TO STAY TO THE S. ALTHOUGH SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC ACCOMPANYING ND SHRTWV PROGGED TO BRUSH THE SRN TIER ZNS THIS MRNG/EARLY AFTN. GFS FCSTS A FEW HUNDREDTHS OF AN INCH OF PCPN NR THE WI BORDER THRU 18Z...BUT PREFER THE ZERO QPF SHOWN BY THE DRIER NAM CONSIDERING DRY AIR SHOWN ON UPSTREAM SDNGS AND GFS FCST SHARPEST H85-7 FGEN STAYING S OF THE BORDER. HOWEVER...SOME FLURRIES ARE NOW FALLING IN NW MN...SO KEPT FLURRIES IN NEAR THE WI BORDER. DURING THE AFTN...APRCH OF MANITOBA SHRTWV THRU NW ONTARIO/SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC WL LIKELY CAUSE AT LEAST WEAK LES OVER THE E TO PERSIST IN LGT NW FLOW TO THE E OF SFC RDG AXIS PROGGED TO DRIFT INTO THE CENTRAL CWA BY 00Z. IN FACT...NAM FCST SDNG FOR ERY SHOWS INVRN BASE RISING TO 6K FT BY 00Z WITH APRCH OF THIS SHRTWV. HOWEVER...YPL SDNG IS SO DRY THAT ANY ACTIVITY SHOULD BE ON THE LGT SIDE. NAM/GFS FCST SDNGS FOR ERY SHOW THE IMPACT OF THE DRY AIR. WL FCST ONLY FLURRIES THIS AFTN OVER THE E. SHRTWV DROPPING THRU ONTARIO PROGGED TO REACH NRN LK SUP LATE TNGT. SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC FCST IN ADVANCE OF THIS SHRTWV THIS EVNG. ALTHOUGH SETUP WOULD APPEAR TO FAVOR A PD OF LK ENHANCED SN WITH DVLPG LLVL NNE FLOW IN THE EVNG WHILE THESE DYNAMICS ARE IN PLAY...FCST SDNGS EVEN NEAR LK SUP ARE QUITE DRY AND FLOW LGT/ TENDING TOWARD ACYC WITH ONLY WEAK LLVL CNVGC. OPTED TO CUT POPS BACK TO NO MORE THAN 30 NEAR LK SUP IN THE EVNG. ANY ACTIVITY WL TEND TOWARD PURE LES AFT 06Z...BUT LARGE SCALE ACYC FLOW/DRY ADVCTN FM THE NE WL GREATLY LIMIT COVG/INTENSITY OF SHSN DESPITE FVRBL OVER LK INSTABILITY (H85 TEMPS AS LO AS -12C) AND INVRN HGT UP TO H825 PER GFS/NAM FCST SDNGS. MAINTAINED SOMEWHAT HIER 40 POP OVER THE HIER TERRAIN OF THE NCNTRL FAVORED BY EXPECTED NNE FLOW. UKMET IS MUCH FASTER THAN GFS/NAM/CNDN MODELS IN BLDG HI PRES INTO THE UPR GRT LKS ON SAT AND ENDING LGT LES PRIMARILY IN THE NLY WIND BELTS EARLIER. WL TEND TOWARD THE MAJORITY CAMP AT THIS POINT AND MAINTAIN POPS THRU THE DAY AS H85 THERMAL TROF (TEMP ARND -11C) SWINGS THRU THE DAY. ALTHOUGH THERMAL INSTABILITY LOOKS FVRBL... DRYNESS OF AIRMASS/LARGE SCALE ACYC FLOW/WEAK CNVGC WL GREATLY LIMIT SN AMTS AS FCST SDNGS SHOW INVERTED V APPEARANCE. WITH HI PRES BLDG INTO THE UPR LKS ON SAT NGT...ANY LINGERING FLURRIES SHOULD END AS SKIES CLR WITH PWAT FCST DOWN TO 0.15 INCH BY 12Z SUN. LOOKS LIKE REAL COLD NGT SETTING UP OVER THE W WITH LGT WINDS ALLOWING EARLY DVLPMNT OF STRONG RADIATION INVRN. WL LOWER FCST MIN TEMPS AOB MOS GUIDANCE IN THESE AREAS EVEN THOUGH SOME THIN CI MIGHT ARRIVE LATE OVER THE W. THE CNDN/UKMET ARE QUITE A BIT FASTER AT BRINGING PCPN INTO WRN LK SUP LATE IN THE DAY THAN IS THE GFS/NAM AS WAD IN SW FLOW ON THE BACKSIDE OF FASTER DEPARTURE OF SFC HI DVLPS. WL MAINTAIN GOING 20 POP FOR LATER IN THE DAY OVER WRN LK SUP EVEN THOUGH U.S. MODELS ARE QUITE DRY INITIALLY. BUT GFS SATURATES ATMOSPHERE FAIRLY QUICKLY SUN NGT IN INCRSGLY MOIST SW FLOW/FAIRLY SHARP WAD...SO MAINTAINED GOING CHC POPS OVER THE W HALF THEN. ALTHOUGH MAX TEMPS ON SUN WL RISE ABV FREEZING WITH SUNSHINE MARRED BY INCRSG HI CLDS...LLVL DRY AIR/ CST THERMAL PROFILES SUG PCPN WL BE IN THE FORM OF SN SUN NGT. SHARP INVRN WITH INTENSE WAD/FCST THERMAL PROFILE ON GFS FCST SDNGS WITH POTENTIAL WBLB COOLING HINT A MESSY WINTRY MIX MIGHT BE PSBL AT LEAST ON MON MRNG...SO ADDED A CHC OF SN TO GOING FCST OF PLAIN RA BEFORE 18Z. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 12Z TAF ISSUANCE)... DRY AIR ASSOCIATED WITH A HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE MOVING INTO CENTRAL UPPER MI HAS CLEARED OUT ALL LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS FROM BOTH TAF SITES. HOWEVER...MID AND HIGH CLOUDS ARE NOW SPREADING INTO WESTERN UPPER MI ASSOCIATED WITH A CLIPPER MOVING THROUGH NE SOUTH DAKOTA. THIS CLIPPER IS EXPECTED TO MOVE DOWN INTO IOWA TONIGHT...WHICH SHOULD SPREAD THE MID AND HIGH CLOUDS ACROSS THE TAF SITES. IT REMAINS POSSIBLE THAT A 3000-4000FT DECK COULD FORM AT KCMX BY 15Z DUE TO ONSHORE FLOW DEVELOPING. WHEN THE CLIPPER MOVES DOWN INTO IOWA...WINDS TURN NORTH...SUPPORTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOW VFR CEILING AT SAW THIS EVENING. HAVE DECIDED TO INCLUDE A PROB30 GROUP FOR SAW FOR BOTH -SHSN AND A POSSIBLE HIGH MVFR DECK FOR LAKE EFFECT PCPN. DRY AIR COMING IN AFTER 06Z SHOULD HELP END ANY -SHSN...BUT NOT ENOUGH TO RID THE LOW VFR CEILING. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 AM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... OUTSIDE OF A BRIEF PERIOD OF 15 TO 25 KT WINDS ON LAKE SUPERIOR SATURDAY MORNING ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH PRESSURE BUILDING SOUTH THROUGH MANITOBA...EXPECT WINDS BELOW 20 KT ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT. ON SUNDAY...WINDS WILL BEGIN PICKING UP ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR...DUE TO THE AFOREMENTIONED HIGH PRESSURE AREA HEADING TOWARDS LAKE ONTARIO AND A STRONG SURFACE LOW CROSSING SOUTH CENTRAL CANADA. WINDS SHOULD APPROACH 25 KT BY LATE SUNDAY. WINDS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE SUNDAY NIGHT AS THE SURFACE LOW MOVES INTO WESTERN ONTARIO...WITH 35 TO 40 KT SOUTHERLY GALES DEVELOPING LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. THE HIGHEST WINDS APPEAR TO BE CONFINED TO CENTRAL AND EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR. AS THE LOW LIFTS INTO NORTHERN ONTARIO ON MONDAY...WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY RELAX WEST TO EAST. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A BRIEF TIME MONDAY MORNING ON EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR THAT SPEEDS COULD APPROACH 45 KT. A COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW WILL CROSS LAKE SUPERIOR LATE MONDAY INTO MONDAY NIGHT...WITH WINDS SHIFTING TO THE NW AND DIMINISHING TO BELOW 20 KT BEHIND IT. AS THE FRONT SHIFTS SOUTH THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN ON TUE AND HIGH PRESSURE DROPS DOWN THROUGH CENTRAL CANADA...WINDS WILL PICK UP AGAIN...PERHAPS INCREASING TO AS HIGH AS 30 KT FROM THE NORTH TUE NIGHT. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ DISCUSSION...KC AVIATION...AJ MARINE...AJ

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS SAN DIEGO CA
230 PM PST FRI NOV 16 2007 .SYNOPSIS...A SHALLOW MARINE LAYER AND ONSHORE FLOW WILL CAUSE AREAS OF COASTAL LOW CLOUDS AND FOG DURING THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. COOLER WITH A DEEPER MARINE LAYER MONDAY AS UPPER LEVEL LOW PRESSURE MOVES PAST TO THE NORTH. COOL OFFSHORE FLOW WILL CAUSE LOCAL STRONG GUSTY WINDS TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY...ESPECIALLY THROUGH AND BELOW MOUNTAIN CANYONS AND PASSES. && .DISCUSSION...FOR SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA INCLUDING SAN DIEGO... ORANGE...SOUTHWEST SAN BERNARDINO AND WEST RIVERSIDE COUNTIES. .SHORT TERM (TODAY-MON)...THERE WERE AREAS OF LOW CLOUDS AND DENSE FOG NEAR THE COAST THIS MORNING. THE LOW CLOUDS ONLY PARTIALLY CLEARED FROM THE IMMEDIATE COAST...ESPECIALLY IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. THERE WERE ALSO A FEW HIGH CLOUDS IN NW WINDS ALOFT. EARLY AFTERNOON ACARS SOUNDINGS INDICATED A MODERATELY STRONG INVERSION BASED BELOW 1000 FT WITH N TO NW WINDS ALOFT. WEAK OFFSHORE GRADIENTS FROM THE N AND ONSHORE TO THE E. UPPER RIDGING AND ONSHORE FLOW WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE WEEKEND WITH A SLIGHT DEEPENING OF THE MARINE LAYER. LOW CLOUDS AND FOG WILL CONTINUE TO BE MOSTLY CONFINED TO THE COASTAL AREAS IN THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS. FOG COULD BE LOCALLY DENSE. MINOR DAY TO DAY TEMP CHANGES. A SHORT WAVE TROUGH WILL MOVE PAST TO THE N MON. THIS WILL DEEPEN THE MARINE LAYER WHICH WILL ALLOW STATUS TO GET INTO THE WRN INLAND VALLEYS BY MON MORNING. COOLER MON. STRONGER WINDS ALOFT AND ONSHORE FLOW WILL CAUSE LOCAL GUSTY W TO NW WINDS IN THE MOUNTAINS AND DESERTS MON AFTERNOON AND EVENING. THERE WILL BE VARIABLE HIGH CLOUDINESS IN NW WINDS ALOFT OVER THE TOP OF THE RIDGE THROUGH SAT. OTHERWISE...FAIR. && .LONG TERM (TUE-FRI)...THE FLOW WILL TURN OFFSHORE FROM THE N AND THEN NE IN THE WAKE OF THE TROUGH TUE. THERE SHOULD BE GOOD GRADIENT AND THERMAL SUPPORT FOR OFFSHORE WINDS WITH ONLY WEAK UPPER SUPPORT. IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE THE MOST WIDESPREAD STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS WILL BE WED...ESPECIALLY THROUGH AND BELOW MOUNTAIN CANYONS AND PASSES. THE SURFACE HIGH SHOULD WEAKEN AND SHIFT E THU FOR NOT QUITE AS STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS. ANOTHER SHORT WAVE COULD BRING BRIEF REENFORCEMENT OF OFFSHORE WINDS FRI. THIS WILL BE A COOL OFFSHORE WIND EVENT WITH MAX TEMPS GENERALLY REMAINING BELOW SEASONAL. THE DRY OFFSHORE WINDS WILL INCREASE THE FIRE WEATHER HAZARD WITH CRITICAL CONDITIONS PROBABLY DEVELOPING TUE AFTERNOON AND CONTINUING THROUGH THU. MODELS ARE IN BETTER AGREEMENT BUT THERE REMAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODELS AND FROM RUN TO RUN SO EXPECT THE DETAILS OF THE FORECAST TO CHANGE. && .AVIATION... 162130Z...THE MARINE LAYER DEPTH WILL BE AROUND 1500-1800 FEET AND LOW CLOUDS WILL PUSH ASHORE THIS EVE...AROUND 00-03Z. CEILINGS WILL BE AROUND 500-1000 FEET WITH VIS AROUND 3-5SM. BY SUNRISE THE VIS MAY BE AT OR BELOW 1SM AND EXTENDING ALMOST INTO ONT. CLEARING SAT MORNING IS EXPECTED AT 18-20Z WITH LINGERING 3-5SM HZ. ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MARINE LAYER...VFR CONDITIONS AND MOSTLY CLEAR SKIES. && .SGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT...SEE LAXSPSSGX. && $$ PUBLIC...DVA AVIATION...MM
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...CORRECTED
NWS BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
230 PM EST FRI NOV 16 2007 .SYNOPSIS... GUSTY NORTHWEST WINDS WILL DIMINISH ACROSS THE REGION THIS EVENING AS HIGH PRESSURE BUILDS IN FROM THE WEST. A WEAK CLIPPER SYSTEM WILL BRING A RISK OF UNSETTLED CONDITIONS LATER SATURDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT. HIGH PRESSURE WILL RETURN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. THE NEXT COLD FRONT IS EXPECTED TO AFFECT THE AREA BY THURSDAY. && .NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/... WATER VAPOR LOOP SHOWS A POSITIVELY TILTED TROUGH MOVING THROUGH NEW ENGLAND. A WAVE IS EMBEDDED IN NORTHWESTERLY FLOW OVER THE MIDWEST. AN UPPER LOW CONTINUES TO ROTATE NEAR BAJA CALIFORNIA. ACARS 400-250MB WIND OBSERVATIONS SHOW A 80-100KT NORTHWESTERLY FLOW ACROSS THE CENTRAL CONUS PHASES WITH THE SOUTHERN STREAM ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST CONUS. 12Z SURFACE ANALYSIS PLACED A STATIONARY BOUNDARY FROM A 986MB CYCLONE IN EASTERN MAINE...WEST THROUGH THE UPPER MIDWEST. A 1026MB ANTICYCLONE DOMINATED THE GULF STATES...WITH A TROUGH IN THE LEE OF THE CAROLINA APPALACHIANS. WARM ADVECTION EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO SHIFT LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS NORTH THIS EVENING. COMBINATION OF DOWNSLOPE FLOW AND LOSS OF DIURNAL HEATING EXPECTED TO ERODE STRATO-CU EAST OF THE MOUNTAINS. MID LEVEL CLOUDS WILL PASS OVERHEAD FROM THE WEST AHEAD OF THE NEXT SUBTLE SHORTWAVE. DECREASE IN PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL ALLOW WINDS TO SETTLE DOWN OVER THE LAND TONIGHT. THIS IS EXPECTED TO LEAD TO LOW TEMPERATURES IN THE 20S AND LOWER 30S. && .SHORT TERM /SATURDAY/... MID LEVEL CLOUDS MAY SHOW BREAKS DURING THE MORNING HOURS AS THE FIRST AFOREMENTIONED WAVE PASSES OFFSHORE. BY AFTERNOON A SECOND SURGE OF MID LEVEL MOISTURE REDEVELOPS AHEAD OF A SECOND WAVE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE NORTHWEST FLOW (AS A THIRD WAVE SAGS SOUTH ACROSS THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES). THIS COULD PRESENT LIGHT SHOWERS ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE MOUNTAINS AND NEAR THE PENNSYLVANIA BORDER PER THE 12Z NAM/GFS AND 09Z SREF. HIGH TEMPERATURES EXPECTED TO RECOVER ABOUT A CATEGORY WITHIN WARM ADVECTION REGIME. && .LONG TERM /SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY/... MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW A CLIPPER TYPE SYSTEM MOVING EAST THROUGH THE MID ATLANTIC SATURDAY NIGHT. HIGHEST POPS...SUPPORTED BY THE SHORT RANGE ENSEMBLES...ARE EXPECTED TO BE ACROSS THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PORTION OF THE CWA. WHERE THERE ARE POPS...WILL HAVE P-TYPE CONCERNS. LOOKS LIKE LIQUID IN DOWNTOWN DC/BALTIMORE AND POINTS SOUTH AND EAST...HOWEVER NORTHWEST OF DC/BALTIMORE...EXPECT RAIN TO MIX WITH OR CHANGE TO SNOW. NO ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED EXCEPT PERHAPS SOME OF HIGHER ELEVATIONS WHERE LIGHT ACCUMULATIONS (LESS THAN AN INCH) MAY OCCUR. CLIPPER EXITS BY SUNDAY MORNING. THEN THE MODELS EXHIBIT SOME DISAGREEMENT SUNDAY NIGHT. NAM AND SHORT RANGE ENSEMBLES SHOW ANOTHER DISTURBANCE BRINGING A CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION OVERNIGHT. DONT REALLY SEE THIS ON THE GFS. HAVE OPTED TO STICK WITH THE GFS...BUT WILL HAVE TO WATCH AS THIS WEAK SYSTEM COULD PRODUCE SOME LIGHT SNOW ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE AREA IF IT MATERIALIZES. MODELS AND ENSEMBLES REGAIN SOME AGREEMENT EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH A RIDGE BUILDING ACROSS THE MID ATLANTIC. MONDAY WILL REMAIN COOL...BUT WARMER TEMPERATURES WILL BE FELT TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. NEXT FRONT OF CONSEQUENCE IS FORECAST TO MAKE IT INTO THE REGION BY THURSDAY. HOWEVER...GFS SENDS THE FRONT THROUGH FOR HIGH PRESSURE TO BUILD IN FOR FRIDAY. ECMWF SLOWS DOWN THE FRONT AND FORMS A WAVE ALONG IT THAT WOULD KEEP UNSETTLED CONDITIONS ON FRIDAY. WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST POPS CENTERED AROUND THURSDAY...BUT WILL KEEP SOME LOW POPS ON FRIDAY WHICH AGREES WITH HPC GUIDANCE. TEMPERATURES THURSDAY/FRIDAY WILL COOL BACK DOWN TO OR BELOW CLIMO. && .AVIATION /19Z FRIDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/... PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL SUPPORT WIND GUSTS AROUND 25 KT INTO LATE THIS AFTERNOON. HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD OVER THE TERMINALS EARLY TONIGHT ALLOWING FOR WINDS TO DIMINISH QUICKLY AFTER SUNSET. VFR CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE OVERNIGHT AND THROUGH SATURDAY ALONG WITH LIGHT WINDS. HOWEVER...THERE WILL BE HIGH AND MID-LEVEL CLOUDS DURING THIS TIME AS A WEAK DISTURBANCE APPROACHES THE AREA FROM THE OHIO VALLEY. NO SIGNIFICANT WEATHER IS EXPECTED TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEKEND AND EARLY NEXT WEEK. && .MARINE... PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL SUPPORT 25-30KT NNW WIND GUSTS INTO THE EVENING HOURS...WHICH MAY INTERMITTENTLY PERSIST OVER THE CHESAPEAKE BAY DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS GIVEN WATER TEMPERATURES IN THE MID 50S AND STRONG FLOW JUST OFF THE SURFACE. NORTHERLY SURGE BEHIND A CLIPPER TYPE SYSTEM MAY BRING MARGINAL SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONDITIONS...MAINLY ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY...LATE SUNDAY/SUNDAY NIGHT. A COLD FRONT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BRING SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONDITIONS TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEK. && .LWX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... DC...NONE. MD...NONE. VA...NONE. WV...NONE. MARINE...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 4 AM EST SATURDAY FOR ANZ530>534- 537. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR ANZ535- 536. && $$ SYNOPSIS...PELOQUIN NEAR TERM...ROGOWSKI SHORT TERM...ROGOWSKI LONG TERM...PELOQUIN/ROGOWSKI AVIATION...ROGOWSKI/BJL/PELOQUIN MARINE...ROGOWSKI/PELOQUIN
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS MARQUETTE MI
424 PM EST FRI NOV 16 2007 .SHORT TERM (TONIGHT AND SAT)... MAIN FCST ISSUE IS LES POTENTIAL TONIGHT/SAT. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY AND RUC ANALYSIS SHOW NW FLOW ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES BTWN A DEEP TROF FROM HUDSON BAY TO NEW ENGLAND AND A RIDGE OVER THE ROCKIES. WEAK SHORTWAVE WAS NOTED OVER NRN ONTARIO. AT THE SFC...HIGH PRES WAS CENTERED OVER NRN MANITOBA AND THE GULF COAST WHILE LOW PRES WAS JUST E OF MAINE AND A TROF EXTENDED SE ACROSS THE DAKOTAS. LOCATED BTWN THESE PRES FEATURES...A COL AREA WAS OVER UPPER MI/LAKE SUPERIOR...AND THUS LIGHT WINDS HAVE BEEN THE RULE HERE TODAY. BAND OF LOW-MIDLEVEL FRONTOGENESIS FROM NRN MN ACROSS NRN WI HAS BEEN GENERATING A BAND OF CLOUDS AND RADAR RETURNS. NOT ALL OF THE PCPN ALOFT HAS BEEN REACHING THE GROUND... BUT RECENT SFC OBS DO SHOW SOME FLURRIES/-SN STREAKING ALONG THE MI/WI BORDER AREA. LES HAS BEEN NONEXISTENT OFF LAKE SUPERIOR TODAY. EARLY AFTN TAMDAR SOUNDING FROM KCMX INDICATED 850MB TEMP AROUND -9C. WITH WATER TEMP AROUND 6C...DELTA-T AROUND 15C IS SUFFICIENT FOR LES...BUT THE DISORGANIZED WIND FIELD AND WELL-MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER PER TAMDAR SOUNDING HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LACK OF LES. THERE HASN`T BEEN MUCH IN THE WAY OF LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS EITHER. EXPECT -SN/FLURRIES ALONG THE WI/MI BORDER TO BE OUT OF THE AREA BY 00Z. THEN ATTENTION TURNS TO LES. ALTHOUGH SHORTWAVE OVER NRN ONTARIO WILL DROP S TO LAKE SUPERIOR LATE TONIGHT...DEEP LAYER QVECTOR PROGS SHOW LITTLE/NO FORCING FOR UPWARD MOTION. MEANWHILE... FCST SOUNDINGS (ESPECIALLY GFS) CONTINUE TO SHOW A WELL MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER (INVERTED-V LOOK). UPSTREAM SFC DWPT DEPRESSIONS IN ONTARIO TEND TO SUPPORT THE DRIER GFS LOOK. SO...AS WINDS BECOME NNE DURING THE NIGHT AS NRN MANITOBA HIGH PRES BUILDS TOWARD NRN ONTARIO...NOT EXPECTING LES TO AMOUNT TO MUCH DESPITE 850MB TEMPS FALLING TO AROUND -12C BY MORNING PER PREFERRED COOLER GFS WHICH ANALYZED 12Z RAOBS BETTER. MAY SEE A FEW FLURRIES DEVELOP E OF KMQT EARLY THIS EVENING...BUT MORE LIKELY MID TO LATE EVENING THERE AND ALSO OVER THE FAR W. DON`T REALLY EXPECT -SHSN TO DEVELOP NEAR THE LAKE UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT WHEN NNE LOW-LEVEL FLOW STRENGTHENS. GIVEN THE NEGATIVES DISCUSSED ABOVE...POPS WILL BE KEPT IN THE 30-40 RANGE (HIGHEST NCNTRL DUE TO MORE DIRECT UPSLOPE)...AND ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD BE LESS THAN 1 INCH. CORE OF THE COLDEST 850MB AIR PASSES OVER THE AREA SAT MORNING THRU EARLY AFTN. GIVEN THE WELL MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER APPEARANCE OF THE FCST SOUNDINGS AND LOW-LEVEL FLOW TRENDING MORE ANTICYCLONIC WITH HIGH PRES MOVING CLOSER...LES WILL CONTINUE TO BE KEPT IN CHECK. MAX ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE OVER THE NCNTRL WITH MORE FAVORABLE UPSLOPE...BUT EVEN THERE...ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD ONLY BE AROUND 1 INCH. COOLER ETA MOS TEMPS LOOK ACCEPTABLE FOR MAX TEMPS WITH CORE OF COLDEST AIR PASSING OVER THE AREA. .LONG TERM (SAT NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY)... SAT NIGHT THROUGH MON...SATURDAY NIGHT MAY BE THE COLDEST NIGHT OF THE SEASON SO FAR FOR MANY LOCATIONS. WITH HIGH PRESSURE MOVING THROUGH...WINDS SHOULD DROP AND SKIES SHOULD CLEAR. LOWS ACROSS THE WESTERN HALF OF THE AREA SHOULD DROP INTO THE TEENS...WITH SINGLE DIGITS POSSIBLE IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN. TEMPERATURES MAY REMAIN CLOSER TO 20 IN THE EAST AS IT WILL TAKE LONGER FOR CLOUDS TO MOVE OUT OF THE AREA. SUNDAY SHOULD BE QUIET WITH THE HIGH PUSHING THROUGH AND TEMPERATURES NEAR NORMAL FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR. LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPING OVER CENTRAL CANADA WILL MOVE INTO MANITOBA SUNDAY NIGHT DRAGGING A WEAK COLD FRONT THROUGH THE AREA ON MONDAY. STRONG SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL SWEEP WARM AIR IN AND RESULT IN A POSSIBLE MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW EARLY IN THE DAY BEFORE SWITCHING TO ALL RAIN BY AFTERNOON. TUE THROUGH FRI...LOW CONFIDENCE THROUGH THIS PORTION OF THE FORECAST PERIOD DUE TO LARGE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODELS. AS A RESULT...MADE LITTLE CHANGE TO THE GOING FORECAST UNTIL SOME MODEL CONSISTENCY BEGINS TO APPEAR. MOST MODELS DEVELOP A SECOND SURFACE LOW ACROSS THE COLD FRONT OF THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM AND BRING THE SURFACE LOW THROUGH UPPER MICHIGAN BY 12Z TUESDAY...WITH PRECIPITATION WIDESPREAD ACROSS THE AREA. MODELS DIFFER QUITE A BIT WITH LOW-LEVEL THICKNESSES DURING THIS TIME PERIOD. ECMWF HAS RAIN MONDAY NIGHT...WITH COLDER AIR ADVECTING IN ON TUESDAY TO CHANGE EVERYTHING OVER TO SNOW. GFS ALSO HAS RAIN MONDAY NIGHT...BUT IS A BIT MORE DELAYED IN BRINGING THE COLDER AIR INTO THE REGION. STUCK WITH GOING FORECAST OF RAIN MONDAY NIGHT...WITH A RAIN-SNOW MIX DURING THE DAY ON TUESDAY. ALSO BROUGHT POPS INTO THE SOUTH ON TUESDAY...AS PREVIOUS MODEL RUNS HAD INDICATED THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A LAKE EFFECT EVENT CONTAINED TO THE SUPERIOR LAKESHORE. WITH LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE SHOWING THE LOW BARRELING THROUGH THE AREA...EVERYONE SHOULD SEE SOME SORT OF PRECIPITATION. ONCE COLDER AIR PUSHES INTO THE AREA TUESDAY NIGHT...ONSHORE FLOW SHOULD PERSIST AND RESULT IN A CHANCE OF SNOW ALONG LAKE SUPERIOR THROUGH MUCH OF THE REST OF THE FORECAST PERIOD. MODELS HAVE SHOWN VARYING SOLUTIONS FOR A POTENTIAL STORM AFFECTING THE REGION ON THANKSGIVING. WHILE THE ECMWF HAS KEPT THIS STORM TO THE SOUTH OF THE AREA FOR SEVERAL MODEL RUNS...THE GFS HAS INSISTED ON A MORE NORTHERLY TRACK ACROSS MICHIGAN. THE 12Z GFS RUN HAS FINALLY GONE WITH A MORE SOUTHERLY ROUTE...MATCHING UP WITH OTHER MODELS. AT THIS TIME...IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE STORM WILL END UP AFFECTING TRAVEL PLANS ACROSS UPPER MICHIGAN. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 18Z TAF ISSUANCE)... HIGH PRES OVER NRN MANITOBA WILL DRIFT TOWARD NRN ONTARIO TONIGHT AND SAT. END RESULT WILL BE LOW-LEVEL WIND FLOW BECOMING NNE ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR THIS EVENING THRU SAT MORNING. WITH LOW-LEVEL AIRMASS COOLING UNDER THIS FLOW REGIME...LAKE EFFECT CLOUDINESS AND SOME -SHSN/FLURRIES WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT AND CONTINUE INTO SAT. ALTHOUGH IT WILL BECOME COOL ENOUGH TO SUPPORT DECENT INTENSITY/COVERAGE OF SHSN OFF THE LAKE...BOUNDARY LAYER REMAINS FAIRLY DRY...AND THIS SHOULD KEEP -SHSN SCT AND OFTEN NOT MUCH MORE THAN FLURRIES. SO EXPECT VFR VIS TO PREVAIL FOR THE ENTIRE FCST PERIOD AT KCMX/KSAW. WITH MORE FAVORABLE UPSLOPE WIND...-SHSN WILL BE A BIT MORE FREQUENT AT KSAW...AND CIGS MAY DROP INTO THE HIGH MVFR RANGE SAT MORNING. EXPECT VFR CONDITIONS AT KCMX. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 PM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... OUTSIDE OF A PERIOD OF 15 TO 25 KT WINDS LATE TONIGHT THRU SAT MORNING DUE TO HIGH PRES BUILDING SE TOWARD NORTHERN ONTARIO... EXPECT WINDS BELOW 20 KT ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR THROUGH SUN MORNING. ON SUN...WINDS WILL BEGIN INCREASING ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR AS AFOREMENTIONED BUILDING HIGH PRES AREA HEADS TOWARD NEW ENGLAND AND A SFC LOW TRACKS THRU SOUTH CENTRAL CANADA. WINDS SHOULD APPROACH 25 KT BY LATE SUN. WINDS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE SUN NIGHT AS THE SFC LOW MOVES TO NORTHERN ONTARIO. S GALES OF 35-40 KT WILL LIKELY DEVELOP LATE SUN NIGHT. THE HIGHEST WINDS SHOULD BE CONFINED TO CENTRAL AND EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR. AS THE LOW LIFTS TOWARD JAMES BAY MON...WINDS WILL GRADUALLY RELAX W TO E. IT IS POSSIBLE WIND GUSTS COULD APPROACH 45 KT FOR A BRIEF TIME MON MORNING ON EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR. A COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW WILL CROSS LAKE SUPERIOR LATE MONDAY INTO MONDAY NIGHT...WITH WINDS SHIFTING NW AND DIMINISHING TO BELOW 20 KT. WINDS MAY AGAIN INCREASE TO 30 KT TUE/WED AS ANOTHER LOW PRES MOVES NE FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINS TO THE LWR GREAT LAKES. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ SHORT TERM...ROLFSON LONG TERM...TAG AVIATION...ROLFSON MARINE...ROLFSON
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NWS MARQUETTE MI
1240 PM EST FRI NOV 16 2007 UPDATED AVIATION SECTION FOR 18Z TAF ISSUANCE .DISCUSSION (ISSUED AT 400 AM EST)... 00Z RAOBS/LATEST WV IMAGERY SHOW NW FLOW ALF OVER THE UPR GRT LKS BTWN DEEP UPR TROF OVER THE E CENTERED NEAR HUDSON BAY AND RDG OVER THE ROCKIES. THE UPR TROF IS TENDING TO SHIFT TO THE E WITH 12Z-24Z H3 HGT RISES AOA 200M IN THE UPR MS VALLEY. APRCH OF ASSOCIATED SFC RDG AXIS STRETCHING FM NW ONTARIO SWD ALG THE MS RIVER HAS CAUSED SKIES TO CLR OVER THE W AS OF 04Z...BUT NW FLOW OF COLD AIR (H85 TEMP -11C AT GRB WITH INVRN BASE ARND H8 SHOWN ON 00Z APX RAOB/02Z TAMDAR SDNG FM SAW) IS CAUSING QUITE A BIT OF LK SC OVER THE ERN ZNS ALG WITH SOME LGT LES. BUT DRY AIR APRNT UNDER THE INVRN BASE HAS SGNFTLY REDUCED THE INTENSITY OF THE SN...WITH REFLECTIVITY NO HIER THAN 16-20DBZ IN WEAKLY DVLPD BANDS ACRS WRN ALGER COUNTY AS OF 04Z. LOOKING UPSTREAM...THREE SHRTWVS OF INTEREST. THE FIRST IS DROPPING INTO NRN MANITOBA. THE OTHER TWO ARE OVER NRN SASKATCHEWAN AND WRN ND. HI CLDS IN ADVANCE OF THESE FEATURES ARE ALREADY MOVING INTO THE NW GRT LKS. BUT DRYNESS OF AIRMASS PER 00Z BIS/YQD/INL/YPL SDNGS INDICATES WHY LTL IF ANY PCPN REPORTED UNDER THE CLD COVER. MAIN FCST CONCERNS THIS PACKAGE REVOLVE ARND PCPN/LES CHCS ASSOCIATED WITH UPSTREAM SHRTWVS. FOR TDAY...NW FLOW ALF FCST TO CONTINUE ACRS THE FA WITH THIS AIRSTREAM FORCING SASKATCHEWAN/ND SHRTWVS TO STAY TO THE S. ALTHOUGH SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC ACCOMPANYING ND SHRTWV PROGGED TO BRUSH THE SRN TIER ZNS THIS MRNG/EARLY AFTN. GFS FCSTS A FEW HUNDREDTHS OF AN INCH OF PCPN NR THE WI BORDER THRU 18Z...BUT PREFER THE ZERO QPF SHOWN BY THE DRIER NAM CONSIDERING DRY AIR SHOWN ON UPSTREAM SDNGS AND GFS FCST SHARPEST H85-7 FGEN STAYING S OF THE BORDER. HOWEVER...SOME FLURRIES ARE NOW FALLING IN NW MN...SO KEPT FLURRIES IN NEAR THE WI BORDER. DURING THE AFTN...APRCH OF MANITOBA SHRTWV THRU NW ONTARIO/SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC WL LIKELY CAUSE AT LEAST WEAK LES OVER THE E TO PERSIST IN LGT NW FLOW TO THE E OF SFC RDG AXIS PROGGED TO DRIFT INTO THE CENTRAL CWA BY 00Z. IN FACT...NAM FCST SDNG FOR ERY SHOWS INVRN BASE RISING TO 6K FT BY 00Z WITH APRCH OF THIS SHRTWV. HOWEVER...YPL SDNG IS SO DRY THAT ANY ACTIVITY SHOULD BE ON THE LGT SIDE. NAM/GFS FCST SDNGS FOR ERY SHOW THE IMPACT OF THE DRY AIR. WL FCST ONLY FLURRIES THIS AFTN OVER THE E. SHRTWV DROPPING THRU ONTARIO PROGGED TO REACH NRN LK SUP LATE TNGT. SOME DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC FCST IN ADVANCE OF THIS SHRTWV THIS EVNG. ALTHOUGH SETUP WOULD APPEAR TO FAVOR A PD OF LK ENHANCED SN WITH DVLPG LLVL NNE FLOW IN THE EVNG WHILE THESE DYNAMICS ARE IN PLAY...FCST SDNGS EVEN NEAR LK SUP ARE QUITE DRY AND FLOW LGT/ TENDING TOWARD ACYC WITH ONLY WEAK LLVL CNVGC. OPTED TO CUT POPS BACK TO NO MORE THAN 30 NEAR LK SUP IN THE EVNG. ANY ACTIVITY WL TEND TOWARD PURE LES AFT 06Z...BUT LARGE SCALE ACYC FLOW/DRY ADVCTN FM THE NE WL GREATLY LIMIT COVG/INTENSITY OF SHSN DESPITE FVRBL OVER LK INSTABILITY (H85 TEMPS AS LO AS -12C) AND INVRN HGT UP TO H825 PER GFS/NAM FCST SDNGS. MAINTAINED SOMEWHAT HIER 40 POP OVER THE HIER TERRAIN OF THE NCNTRL FAVORED BY EXPECTED NNE FLOW. UKMET IS MUCH FASTER THAN GFS/NAM/CNDN MODELS IN BLDG HI PRES INTO THE UPR GRT LKS ON SAT AND ENDING LGT LES PRIMARILY IN THE NLY WIND BELTS EARLIER. WL TEND TOWARD THE MAJORITY CAMP AT THIS POINT AND MAINTAIN POPS THRU THE DAY AS H85 THERMAL TROF (TEMP ARND -11C) SWINGS THRU THE DAY. ALTHOUGH THERMAL INSTABILITY LOOKS FVRBL... DRYNESS OF AIRMASS/LARGE SCALE ACYC FLOW/WEAK CNVGC WL GREATLY LIMIT SN AMTS AS FCST SDNGS SHOW INVERTED V APPEARANCE. WITH HI PRES BLDG INTO THE UPR LKS ON SAT NGT...ANY LINGERING FLURRIES SHOULD END AS SKIES CLR WITH PWAT FCST DOWN TO 0.15 INCH BY 12Z SUN. LOOKS LIKE REAL COLD NGT SETTING UP OVER THE W WITH LGT WINDS ALLOWING EARLY DVLPMNT OF STRONG RADIATION INVRN. WL LOWER FCST MIN TEMPS AOB MOS GUIDANCE IN THESE AREAS EVEN THOUGH SOME THIN CI MIGHT ARRIVE LATE OVER THE W. THE CNDN/UKMET ARE QUITE A BIT FASTER AT BRINGING PCPN INTO WRN LK SUP LATE IN THE DAY THAN IS THE GFS/NAM AS WAD IN SW FLOW ON THE BACKSIDE OF FASTER DEPARTURE OF SFC HI DVLPS. WL MAINTAIN GOING 20 POP FOR LATER IN THE DAY OVER WRN LK SUP EVEN THOUGH U.S. MODELS ARE QUITE DRY INITIALLY. BUT GFS SATURATES ATMOSPHERE FAIRLY QUICKLY SUN NGT IN INCRSGLY MOIST SW FLOW/FAIRLY SHARP WAD...SO MAINTAINED GOING CHC POPS OVER THE W HALF THEN. ALTHOUGH MAX TEMPS ON SUN WL RISE ABV FREEZING WITH SUNSHINE MARRED BY INCRSG HI CLDS...LLVL DRY AIR/ CST THERMAL PROFILES SUG PCPN WL BE IN THE FORM OF SN SUN NGT. SHARP INVRN WITH INTENSE WAD/FCST THERMAL PROFILE ON GFS FCST SDNGS WITH POTENTIAL WBLB COOLING HINT A MESSY WINTRY MIX MIGHT BE PSBL AT LEAST ON MON MRNG...SO ADDED A CHC OF SN TO GOING FCST OF PLAIN RA BEFORE 18Z. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 18Z TAF ISSUANCE)... HIGH PRES OVER NRN MANITOBA WILL DRIFT TOWARD NRN ONTARIO TONIGHT AND SAT. END RESULT WILL BE LOW-LEVEL WIND FLOW BECOMING NNE ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR THIS EVENING THRU SAT MORNING. WITH LOW-LEVEL AIRMASS COOLING UNDER THIS FLOW REGIME...LAKE EFFECT CLOUDINESS AND SOME -SHSN/FLURRIES WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT AND CONTINUE INTO SAT. ALTHOUGH IT WILL BECOME COOL ENOUGH TO SUPPORT DECENT INTENSITY/COVERAGE OF SHSN OFF THE LAKE...BOUNDARY LAYER REMAINS FAIRLY DRY...AND THIS SHOULD KEEP -SHSN SCT AND OFTEN NOT MUCH MORE THAN FLURRIES. SO EXPECT VFR VIS TO PREVAIL FOR THE ENTIRE FCST PERIOD AT KCMX/KSAW. WITH MORE FAVORABLE UPSLOPE WIND...-SHSN WILL BE A BIT MORE FREQUENT AT KSAW...AND CIGS MAY DROP INTO THE HIGH MVFR RANGE SAT MORNING. EXPECT VFR CONDITIONS AT KCMX. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 AM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... OUTSIDE OF A BRIEF PERIOD OF 15 TO 25 KT WINDS ON LAKE SUPERIOR SATURDAY MORNING ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH PRESSURE BUILDING SOUTH THROUGH MANITOBA...EXPECT WINDS BELOW 20 KT ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT. ON SUNDAY...WINDS WILL BEGIN PICKING UP ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR...DUE TO THE AFOREMENTIONED HIGH PRESSURE AREA HEADING TOWARDS LAKE ONTARIO AND A STRONG SURFACE LOW CROSSING SOUTH CENTRAL CANADA. WINDS SHOULD APPROACH 25 KT BY LATE SUNDAY. WINDS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE SUNDAY NIGHT AS THE SURFACE LOW MOVES INTO WESTERN ONTARIO...WITH 35 TO 40 KT SOUTHERLY GALES DEVELOPING LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. THE HIGHEST WINDS APPEAR TO BE CONFINED TO CENTRAL AND EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR. AS THE LOW LIFTS INTO NORTHERN ONTARIO ON MONDAY...WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY RELAX WEST TO EAST. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A BRIEF TIME MONDAY MORNING ON EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR THAT SPEEDS COULD APPROACH 45 KT. A COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW WILL CROSS LAKE SUPERIOR LATE MONDAY INTO MONDAY NIGHT...WITH WINDS SHIFTING TO THE NW AND DIMINISHING TO BELOW 20 KT BEHIND IT. AS THE FRONT SHIFTS SOUTH THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN ON TUE AND HIGH PRESSURE DROPS DOWN THROUGH CENTRAL CANADA...WINDS WILL PICK UP AGAIN...PERHAPS INCREASING TO AS HIGH AS 30 KT FROM THE NORTH TUE NIGHT. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ DISCUSSION...KC AVIATION...ROLFSON MARINE...AJ