[NIFL-AALPD:1014] RE: discourse has many facets (brief)

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Consider the purpose
Consider the audience
Organize and present information
Pay attention to conventions
Revise  and edit to convey meaning.

The real question ought to be, do we practice what we teach?

Gloria Gillette

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From: Bonnie Odiorne <bonniesophia@adelphia.net>
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I think that what might be happening here is a "classic" divide, between
"academic" and "practitioner," or at least those practitioners (including
me, sometimes) who tend to go into academic-speak, and thus MYEGO:  My eyes
glaze over. It can be shorthand, the legitimate terminology of the field. It
can be pretentiousness, the kind of "I want you to know I know" that
first-year graduate students are so good at. Or it can be sheer cluelessness
that things could possibly be phrased otherwise, or more "accessibly", even
to "us." I need you to know that I've been in all these positions in my
ill-starred (or starry-eyed) career. As for the question of "science," I
agree about what has been said: that if anecdotes are to be used in
research, there needs to be a framework for them, a question asked that they
can answer. Otherwise-- and perhaps this was the initial intention?-- they
exist to give a "human" face to the numbers, furnish data on outcomes not
covered by the NRS, or to personalze the issue for those funders or
legislators who might be moved to respond differently. God knows I have work
to do, too, and reading these posts does get wearisome. But it also keeps us
in touch with the professional discourse of our field, a collegiality (which
should be collegial) which keeps us on our toes. I don't feel that anyone
need censor him/herself, though I agree a bit that we should get as upset
(and do) about issues as about expletives. Every list has rules against
flaming. Let's accord ourselves the same dignity as we do our students. And,
yes, isn't it great that the conservative positivists are into
deconstruction?! Oh, the inroads into classical humanism--or is it
scientific discourse that is the current bulwark against the forces of
anarchy and the demise of values?
Warmest Regards,
Bonnie Odiorne Ph.D
Program Faciliator
Working Smart
Computers 4 Kids
Silas Bronson Library Information Technology Center
Waterbury, CT
Integrating Technology, ABE and ESL Instruction

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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:45:46 -0500 (EST) Melissa Monti
<melissa_monti@iu13.org>

>Guess I should just continue my scan and delete practice and get back
>to work.  For there is work to be done, no?
>
>M.  Monti

Melissa (and others), I would maintain that these discussions are part of
the critical work that needs attention and that discourse has many
facets, including the more scholarly, dialogical, and polemical.  I don't
view any of these dimensions of discourse as inherently superior or
inferior, but that's just me, though I do agree that what keeps open the
discussion and what tends to close it are important matters.

George



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