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MR. DORGAN: MR. PRESIDENT?
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NORTH DAKOTA.
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MR. DORGAN: MR. PRESIDENT, UNANIMOUS CONSENT I ASK THE QUORUM
CALL BE VACATED.
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. UNDER THE
PREVIOUS ORDER, THE LEADERSHIP TIME IS RESERVED AND THERE WILL
NOW BE A PERIOD FOR THE TRANSACTION OF MORNING BUSINESS WITH
SENATORS PERMITTED TO SPEAK THEREIN FOR UP TO TEN MINUTES EACH.
UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE
TIME UNTIL 1:00 P.M. SHALL BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SENATOR
FROM ILLINOIS, MR. DURBIN OR HIS DESIGNEE.
MRDURBIN:MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY
CONSUME.
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE SENATOR IS
RECOGNIZED.
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MR. DORGAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I CAME TO THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE
TODAY AS WE BEGIN BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK TO TALK ABOUT TWO
ISSUES. FIRST, LET ME JUST DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED SATURDAY
EVENING ON THE EAST COAST. THERE WAS A HOCKEY TEAM FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF NORTH DAKOTA WENT TO THE EAST COAST TO PLAY IN
THE NCAA DIVISION 1 HOCKEY CHAMPIONSHIP, AND WHEN THEY FINISHED
THAT COMPETITION, THE NORTH DAKOTA SIOUX WERE DIVISION 1
NATIONAL CHAMPIONS ONCE AGAIN. IN FACT, IT'S THE SEVEN DIVISION
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1 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH DAKOTA
HOCKEY TEAM. -- HOCKEY TEAM. I'M AN ALUMNI OF THAT GREAT SCHOOL
AND IT IS WITH GREAT PRIDE I WATCHED THE GAME ON TELEVISION
LAST SATURDAY EVENING AND SAW THE NORTH DAKOTA FIGHTING SIOUX
WIN THAT CONTEST. WE ARE THE HOME OF GREAT SKATERS, GREAT
HOCKEY PLAYERS, GREAT TRADITION, AND THIS YEAR ONCE AGAIN WE
DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A 40,000-STUDENT
POPULATION TO BE A DIVISION 1 NATIONAL CHAMPION. I HAVE CALLED
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THE WHITE HOUSE THIS MORNING AND ASKED THAT THEY WOULD INVITE
THAT TEAM TO THE WHITE HOUSE, AS IS OFTEN THE CUSTOM FOR
CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS, COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL AND OTHER
TEAMS, INCLUDING PROFESSIONAL TEAMS HAVE BEEN INVITED TO THE
WHITE HOUSE BY THE PRESIDENT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.
AND I HOPE HE WILL DO THE SAME FOR THIS WONDERFUL GROUP OF
YOUNG MEN FROM NORTH DAKOTA WHO ARE NOW THIS NATION'S CHAMPIONS
IN DIVISION 1 HOCKEY. SO MY HAT IS OFF TO THE UNIVERSITY OF
NORTH DAKOTA. IT'S A WONDERFUL SCHOOL. I'M PROUD TO HAVE GOTTEN
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MY UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE THERE. BUT I'VE BEEN INCREASINGLY PROUD
YEAR AFTER YEAR AS I WATCH THIS SCHOOL. NOT ONLY ARE THESE
GREAT ATHLETES AND GREAT HOCKEY PLAYERS, THESE ARE GREAT
STUDENTS AND GOOD YOUNG MEN. THIS IS AN ATHLETIC PROGRAM
WITHOUT PARALLEL AROUND THE COUNTRY, IN MY JUDGMENT. AND,
AGAIN, I WANTED TO COME THIS MORNING JUST TO SAY
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE YOUNG MEN. I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM. MR.
PRESIDENT, IF I CAN IN A SEPARATE PART OF THE RECORD, UNDER A
SEPARATE HEADING DISCUSS JUST FOR A MOMENT THE ISSUES THAT FACE
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THE CONGRESS AND WHERE WE ARE AND WHY WE'RE HERE AND SUGGEST
PERHAPS A SLIGHTLY MORE ROBUST AGENDA FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF
MONTHS. IT IS MOU A MONDAY IN APRIL -- IT IS NOW A MONDAY IN
APRIL. IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR TO ME WHAT THE AGENDA WILL BE ON
THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE THIS WEEK. I GUESS IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR
YET TO ANYONE. WE KNOW THAT IN THE COMING WEEKS WE WILL DO OUR
WORK AS PRORGPS. I'M ON THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE -- AS
PRORGPSS. I'M ON THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. WE WILL DO OUR
WORK AS APPROPRIATORS AND BRING OUR WORK TO THE FLOOR OF THE
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SENATE. BEYOND THAT, IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR WHAT THE AGENDA IS.
RECOGNIZING THAT MY POLITICAL PARTY, THE ONE THAT I REPRESENT
HERE IN THIS CHAMBER, DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION, IT IS ALSO
CLEAR THAT WE DON'T SET THE AGENDA HERE IN THE UNITED STATES
SENATE. THE POLITICAL SYSTEM HAS A UNIQUE WAY OF DESCRIBING WHO
CONTROLS INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS THIS. AND THOSE THAT HAVE THE
MOST MEMBERS, THOSE THAT GET THE MOST VOTES IN A GENERAL
ELECTION HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTROL AND TO CREATE AN
AGENDA. AND THAT'S AS IT SHOULD BE. BUT IT IS PERHAPS
FRUSTRATING FOR ME A OTHERS THAT OUR AGENDA IS NOT NEARLY AS
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ROBUST AS IT COULD OR SHOULD BE. LET ME DESCRIBE SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING AND THAT I HOPE THE
MAJORITY LEADER AND OTHERS WILL AGREE AT SOME POINT IN THE
COMING WEEKS THAT WE WILL DO. FIRST, WE PASSED SOME LONG, LONG
TIME AGO A PATIENTS' BILL OF RIGHTS. I DIDN'T SUPPORT THE
SENATE VERSION OF IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD BILL.
BUT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES PASSED A BIPARTISAN PIECE OF
LEGISLATION, A PIECE OF LEGISLATION COAUTHORED BY A DEMOCRAT
AND REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. IT WAS A VERY
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VIGOROUS BATTLE IN THE U.S. HOUSE, AND THEY PASSED A REAL
PATIENTS' BILL OF RIGHTS BILL. IT SAYS IN THIS CONTEST OF WILLS
BETWEEN PATIENTS AND DOCTORS AND THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND
H.M.O.'SIT SAYS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN RIGHTS THAT PATIENTS
OUGHT TO HAVE. EVERY PATIENT IN THIS COUNTRY THAT SEEKS MEDICAL
TREATMENT OUGHT TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THEIR
OPTIONS FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT, NOT JUST THE CHEAPEST. NOT JUST
THE LEAST EXPENSIVE. THOSE WHO NEED EMERGENCY ROOM TREATMENT
OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO EXPECT TO HAVE EMERGENCY ROOM TREATMENT
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WHEN NEEDED. WHEN A WOMAN FALLS OFF A 40-FOOT CLIFF AND IS
HAULED INTO AN EMERGENCY ROOM, COMATOSE AND AN H.M.O. LATER
SAYS WE WILL NOT APPROVE YOUR EMERGENCY ROOM COSTS BECAUSE YOU
DID NOT GET PREAPPROVAL FOR EMERGENCY ROOM TREATMENT, THERE'S
SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM. ARE THERE CERTAIN RIGHTS THAT
PATIENTS OUGHT TO HAVE IN THIS HEALTH CARE SYSTEM?
THE ANSWER IS YES. AND AMONG THOSE RIGHTS ARE THE RIGHTS
EMBODIED IN THE BILL IN THE U.S. HOUSE CALLED THE PATIENTS'
BILL OF RIGHTS. IT IS NOW IN CONFERENCE. IT IS NOT LIKELY TO
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PRODUCE MUCH, UNFORTUNATELY UNDER CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES, CAUSE
THE HOUSE APPOINTED CONFEREES THAT IN MOST CASES DIDN'T VOTE
FOR THE BILL THAT THEY SENT TO CONFERENCE. AND THE SENATE, OF
COURSE, HAS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT REALLY DOESN'T DO THE
JOB. BUT THOSE OF US WHO SUPPORT A PATIENTS' BILL OF RIGHTS,
ONE THAT IS A STRONG PATIENTS' BILL OF RIGHTS, STILL REMAIN
HOPEFUL THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THIS LEGISLATIVE
SESSION WE WILL PASS A BIPARTISAN PIECE OF LEGISLATION CALLED A
PATIENTS' BILL OF RIGHTS THAT REALLY DOES PROVIDE THE RIGHTS
AND THE ASSISTANCE TO PATIENTS IN DEALING WITH THEIR INNER
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SHURNSE COMPANIES WITH RESPECT TO THEIR HEALTH-- --INSURANCE
COMPANIES WITH RESPECT TO THEIR HEALTH CARE TREATMENT. JUVENILE
JUSTICE -- WE PASSED A JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES SENATE AND THAT BILL WAS PASSED IN THE SENATE WITH
LEGISLATION MANY DON'T LIKE. AMONG THE TWO PIECES OF
LEGISLATION THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ON THAT BILL AND THE REASON,
I GUESS, IT IS STALLED IS SOME LEGISLATION DEALING WITH GUNS.
WE PROVIDED TWO SIMPLE COMPONENTS TO THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
NOW I COME FROM NORTH DAKOTA. I GREW UP HUNT, I HAD A GUN WHEN
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I WAS A TEENAGER, PHEASANT HUNTED, DEER HUNTED, PRACTICE TARGET
SHOOTING. SO I KNOW ABOUT GUNS. I'M NOT SOMEONE WHO RUSHES INTO
THIS CHAMBER SAYING LET'S HAVE GUN CONTROL. THAT'S NOT MY
ORIENTATION AT ALL. BUT THE TWO PIECES DEALING WITH GUNS THAT
WE ADDED TO THE JUVENILE JUSTICE ACT, THEY ARE SO SENSIBLE.
ONE, MANDATORY TRIGGER LOCKS FOR HANDGUNS. MANDATORY TRIGGER
LOCKS FOR HANDGUNS. WHEN SIX-YEAR-OLDS GO TO SCHOOL AND SHOOT
ANOTHER SIX-YEAR-OLD, OUGHT WE NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR
TRIGGER LOCKS ON HANDGUNS?
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IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S EMINENTLY SENSIBLE. SECOND, THE ISSUE OF
GUN SHOWS AND THE QUESTION OF WHETHER AT GUN SHOWS THE PEOPLE
SET UP AROUND THIS COUNTRY ON SATURDAYS OR SUNDAYS, WHETHER
THERE OUGHT TO BE AN INSTANT CHECK AT GUN SHOWS WHEN GUNS ARE
SOLD TO FIND OUT WHETHER YOU'RE SELLING THE GUN TO A CONVICTED
FELON. GO TO A GUN STORE ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY AND TRY TO
BUY A GUN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO RUN YOUR NAME THROUGH AN
INSTANT CHECK TO FIND OUT ARE YOU A CONVICTED FELON, BECAUSE IF
YOU ARE, YOU CANNOT BUY A GUN. BUT WE HAVE A LOOPHOLE, AND THE
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LOOPHOLE IS GUN SHOWS WHICH ARE BIGGER, GETTING BIGGER AND
THERE ARE MORE OF THEM, AND MANY FEEL -- THE SENATE FEELS,
INCIDENTALLY, BY A RATHER CLOSE VOTE THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE AND SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO
BUY A GUN, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A GUN STORE OR A GUN SHOW,
YOU OUGHT TO HAVE TO HAVE YOUR NAME RUN THROUGH AN INSTANT
CHECK SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SELLING A GUN TO A FELON.
THOSE TWO ISSUES -- TRIGGER LOCKS FOR HANDGUNS FOR THE SAFETY
OF CHILDREN IN THIS COUNTRY AND CLOSING THE GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE
-- HAVE MEANT THAT THAT JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL WHICH IS SO
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IMPORTANT IS NOW IN CONFERENCE AND APPARENTLY WE CAN'T GET IT
OUT. NOW I HOPE WE CAN BE MORE SENSIBLE ABOUT THIS AND GET THAT
BILL OUT OF CONFERENCE AND BRING IT TO THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE
AND THE HOUSE AND GET IT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR SIGNATURE. OTHER
ITEMS THAT WE CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH, THE ISSUE OF SCHOOL
CONSTRUCTION. I'VE SPOKEN AT GREAT LENGTH ABOUT WALKING INTO
THE CANNON BALL SCHOOL AND SEEINGLY ROSIE TWO BEARS, A THIRD
GRADER WHO SAYS, MR. SENATOR, ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD ME A NEW
SCHOOL?
THE ANSWER IS, NO, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BILL ULTED --
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BUILD YOU A NEW SCHOOL. ABOUT 150 KIDS AND ONE WATER FOUNTAIN
AND TWO TOILETS, HAVING CLASSES IN SCHOOL BUILD GDS THAT ARE
NOT FIT FOR CLASSES, WHERE SEWER GAS COMES UP AND YOU HAVE TO
EVACUATE THE ROOMS. ROSIE ISN'T GETTING THE KIND OF EDUCATION
WE WANT FOR HER AS AMERICANS. WE SAY LET'S HELP REBUILD AND
RENOVATE AND CONSTRUCT SOME OF AMERICA'S SCHOOLS TO BRING THEM
BACK UP TO STANDARD. THEN WE'RE TOLD, NOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. THAT'S NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JOB.
IT'S INTERESTING THERE WAS A PIECE IN "NEWSWEEK" LAST WEEK BY
JONATHAN ALTER. HE SAID ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO E CONGRESS
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DECIDED THEY WERE GOING TO SPEND $8 BILLION TO UPGRADE JAMES
AND PRISONS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. STATE AND LOCAL JAILS AND
PRISONS, ABSOLUTELY SPEND THE MONEY. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO
THAT TO UPGRADE THE JAILS AND PRISONS, BUT NOT THE SCHOOLS. IS
IT LESS IMPORTANT TO BRING SCHOOLS UP TO STANDARD THAN A JAIL
OR A PRISON SOMEWHERE?
IF WE CAN DO $8 BILLION TO IMPROVE PLACES TO INCARCERATE
CRIMINALS, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND FEW BILLION DOLLARS TO
HELP KIDS GO INTO A CLASSROOM DOOR IN A SCHOOL THAT WE AS
PARENTS CAN BE PROUD OF. THAT OUGHT TO GET DONE IN THIS SESSION
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OF THE CONGRESS AS WELL. AND JUDICIAL NOMINATIONS, WE NEED TO
GET THROUGH THOSE. I'M THINKING, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMITTEE IN
THIS CONGRESS FOR LOST AND FOUND. ALMOST EVERYWHERE ELSE YOU
GO, HOTELS, MOTELS, EVERY OTHER INSTITUTION, YOU LOSE SOMETHING
AND YOU ASK WHERE'S THE LOST AND FOUND, THEY SEND YOU. IN
CONGRESS THERE'S NO PLACE YOU CAN GO ON LOST AND FOUND ISSUES.
MAYBE WE NEED A COMMITTEE ON LOST AND FOUND. THESE ISSUES LEAVE
HERE AND WE NEVER HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN -- JUVENILE JUSTICE,
PATIENTS' BILL OF RIGHTS. SOME DON'T EVEN GET HERE. EXPORT
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ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WE OUGHT TO DO. WELL, I HOPE THAT IN THE
COMING DAYS REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TOGETHER CAN DECIDE THAT
THERE ARE CERTAIN COMMON ELEMENTS 20 AN AGENDA THAT WILL
STRENGTHEN THIS COULDN'T AND MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE IN WHICH
TO LIVE AND WE CAN FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER ON THESE
MATTERS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE ONE
SIDE OF THE POLITICAL AISLE IS ALL RIGHT AND THE OTHER SIDE'S
ALL WRONG. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE HAVE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN
SERVING IN THIS CHAMBER ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL AISLE.
BUT IT REMAINS A FRUSTRATION THAT IN SOME AREAS WHERE WE HAVE
PASSED LEGISLATION, IT GETS SENT TO A CONFERENCE SOMEWHERE
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NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN BECAUSE A SMALL MINORITY REFUSED TO
ACCEPT SENSIBLE JUDGMENTS OF THE MAJORITY IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND
THE SENATE. I THINK THAT IS THE CASE WITH RESPECT TO THE
PATIENTS' BILL OF RIGHTS, WITH RESPECT TO THE VOTE IN THE
HOUSE. IT'S CERTAINLY THE CASE WITH JUVENILE JUSTICE AND THE
DECISIONS THE SENATE MADE ON THINGS LIKE TRIGGELOCKS AND ALSO
CLOSING THE SATURDAY-NIGHT LOOPHOLE. MR. PRESIDENT, I HOPE THAT
WE CAN FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES IN
THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN DEMONSTRATE
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WE CARE ABOUT EDUCATION, HEALTH
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CARE, ADDRESSING THE CRIME ISSUE IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY, GETTING
NOMINATIONS THROUGH THIS CHAMBER, APPOINTING THE FEDERAL JUDGES
THAT SHOULD BE APPOINTED TO FILL THE VACANCIES. THOSE ARE ALL
THINGS THAT REPRESENT PART OF THE AGENDA THAT NEEDS TO BE
COMPLETED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. MR.
PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: DOES THE SENATOR SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF
A QUORUM?
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MR. DORGAN: I SUGGEST THE ABSENCE OF A QUORUM.
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.
QUORUM CALL:
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