From: Jaffe, Lyle D Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:21 AM To: Dockets, FDA Subject: FW: More on Saccharin (To FDA: Is aspartame or the components of aspartame found in saccharin/saccharine?) -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Betty Martini [mailto:Bettym19@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 4:27 PM To: DHATTAN-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; RXH@CFSAN.FDA.GOV; Jaffe Lyle D Subject: More on Saccharin (To FDA: Is aspartame or the components of aspartame found in saccharin/saccharine?) I have been on the FDA web site and don't see the ingredients in Saccharin. I need to know if aspartame or the components of aspartame are in saccharin/saccharine. Dr. Betty Martini, Founder, Mission Possible Intl, 9270 River Club Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097 770 242-2599 www.dorway.com and www.wnho.net From: "Victoria Carr" X-eGroups-Approved-By: bryanth798 via web; 04 Jul 2004 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:14:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Aspartame Support] Aspartame Now in Saccharin? I guess it is good to repeat some of our past information since we are constantly getting new members. I was able to get the patent for the components of Sweet n' Low back awhile ago. For newer members - back at the time that Cyclamates was banned, they FDA was allowing more "trickery" in the labeling of these poisonings so they list only (3 ingredients) on the back of the Swee n' Low package. Each of these three ingredients has its own patent. I have attached again the list of ingredients (components) that make up Calcium Saccharin. Which is actually called Aluminum Calcium Saccharin. I am still trying to get the patent on Splenda - it is getting more and more difficult for we "wise" consumers to have access to the truth. Bless, Victoria Calcium Saccharine - on the FDA site it is listed as Aluminum Calcium Saccharine IDENTIFIER(S)- sweetener powder food beverage CAS REG/EC #- 50-99-7 D-Glucose CAS REG/EC # 81-07-2 1,2-Benzisothiazol-3(2H)-one CAS REG/EC # 100-88-9 Sulfamic acid --cyclohexyl- CAS REG/EC # 118-71-8 4H-Pyran-4-one --3-hydroxy-2-methyl- CAS REG/EC #128-44-9 1,2-Benzisothiazol-3(2H)-one CAS REG/EC # 1405-86-3 D-Glucopyranosiduronic acid --(3.beta.,20.beta.)- 20-carboxy-11-oxo-30-norolean-12-en-3-yl 2-O-.beta.-D-glucopyranuronosyl- CAS REG/EC # 4940-11-8 4H-Pyran-4-one --2-ethyl-3-hydroxy- CAS REG/EC # 6485-34-3 1,2-Benzisothiazol-3(2H)-one CAS REG/EC # 7631-86-9 Silica CAS REG/EC # 9005-25-8 Starch CAS REG/EC # 13433-09-5 L-Phenylalanine --L-.alpha.-aspartyl- CAS REG/EC # 20702-77-6 1-Propanone --1-Ý4-ÝÝ2-O-(6-deox- y-.alpha.-L-mannopyr- anosyl)-.beta.-D-glu- copyranosyl¨oxy¨-2,6-dihydroxyphenyl¨-3-(3-hydroxy-4-methoxyphenyl)- CAS REG/EC #22839-47-0 L-Phenylalanine --L-.alpha.-aspartyl- CAS REG/EC # 33665-90-6 1,2,3-Oxathiazin-4(3H)-one --6-methyl- CAS REG/EC # 57817-89-7 Kaur-16-en-18-oic acid --13-Ý(2-O-.beta.-D-glucopyranosyl- .beta.-D-glucopyranosyl)oxy¨- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Betty Martini" To: "E Bryant Holman" Cc: "Aspartame Support Group" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:12 AM Subject: [Aspartame Support] Aspartame Now in Saccharin? > Bryant, This may be an email I didn't get. If anyone on the list has this > information I would appreciate it, because I would definitely write an > article on it, especially if its in the patent and not on the box. I know > that Sweet N Low in Greece is aspartame. > > At 05:18 AM 7/4/2004, E Bryant Holman wrote: > >It was posted on our list last year, and I think that Victoria Carr is the > >one who showed us this. I thought you remembered that. She found a page that > >showed the patent that Sweet-n-Low had on their product, and you could see > >very clearly that they listed Aspartame as one of the ingredients. They had > >apparently found a way to construct and molecule that allowed them to bond > >together a sodium saccharin molecule to an aspartame molecule. By doing > >this, they could call it saccharin, but it was actually modified saccharin. > >I was, of course, very skeptical about all of this, and refused to believe > >it was true. However, when I went to the website that showed the report on > >the substance that they owners of the patent were describing, it was quite > >unmistakable that aspartame was clearly listed as an ingredient. > > > >I should hope that I am not the only one on the list now who remembers this > >exchange. But, clearly, we discussed this and the other person made their > >case (as I say, I think the person was Victoria, but I may be wrong about > >that) very well, and I, who had been skeptical, walked away from the > >exchanged convinced that this was so. > > > >I could search the archives for the links, but I hope that I don't have to, > >because this would be enormously tedious. > > > >Bryant > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dr. Betty Martini" > >To: "Bryant Holman" Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Aspartame Support] Just some comments and some questions.... Bryant, if they are using aspartame in Sweet N Low I need some proof so I can write an article about it and warn the world. Where did you get this information. Thanks, Betty To: From: "E Bryant Holman" > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:02:42 -0500 > > > >Subject: Re: [Aspartame Support] Just some comments and some > >questions.... > > > >Dear Lori, > > > > > > > >That is very commendable that you are doing that. Aspartame, because it > > > >contains methanol, which is actually a type of alcohol, is addictive and > > > >at the same toxic. It becomes, for a recovering alcoholic or drug abuser, > > > >their new "drug of choice". > > > > > > > >Here is an article about that which you might also print and distribute: > > > > > > > >http://nancymarkle.com/tldaddic.txt > > > > > > > >Splenda is a bad choice as a substitute. > > > > > > > >http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ > > > > > > > >The best choice, in my opinion, is stevia, a completely natural > >substance: > > > > > > > >http://steviva.com > > > > >We discovered that Sweet-n-Low, although they do not say so, actually contains aspartame, because they simply bind aspartame to the saccharin molecule and that effectively makes it, according to their thinking, no longer aspartame. If you have any more questions on this, please let us know and we will > >try >and help. Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Williams To: aspartame@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 8:47 AM > > > > Subject: [Aspartame Support] Just some comments and some questions.... I just want to thank everyone who is involved in this group. I hope that you all realize how much help and support that you all provide in this group. I'm a drug and alcohol rehabilitation counselor and I have a clinic here in Texas where we treat heroin and opiate addiction. I recently printed out the warning sheet regarding aspartame and put it in the clinic. I've been surprised at how many of my clients have come forward and made comments and statements about it and their own personal use of products containing aspartame as well as their symptoms. Thanks to the sheet, many of them are evaluating their symptoms and aspartame use. I have been off of the diet cokes and other aspartame products now for almost a month. I've definitely seen a difference in some of my symptoms!! My confusion is.....does sweet-n-low contain aspartame and is splenda >a good substitute for a sweetener? Lori