Jumping into this thread at a late date, but......... why not use standard pronunciation texts/references intended for NNS or at least the material included in even a elementary linguistics course?  Not that you need to burden your students with esoteric detail, but surely the teacher can use his/her own linguistic knowledge to inform explanations/modeling provided students.
 
  Dictionaries/pronunciation systems developed for native speakers will of course be totally inadequate for ELLs as will any system that focuses on individual words/syllables and ignores the importance of stress and intonation in chunks of language.
 
Best,
Sue Sandeen
ESOL Gainesville, FL USA
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jn at cloudworld.co.uk
To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
Cc: debbie at syntheticphonics.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: [EnglishLanguage 1030] Re: pronunciation of ed


 
Hello Bonnita and all,
 
I think I can speak for British English.  
 
Here we do not soften the 't'.  So there's no problem distinguishing 'matter' from 'madder'.  When teaching to spell and to read, we would separate words and speak them clearly.  So 'laughed' would definitely sound with /t/.  And you'd hear the /p/ in 'jumped'.
 
For spelling you have to teach that the /t/, /d/ and /i,d/ endings are nearly always spelt 'ed' for verbs in the past tense or past participle.   Note that, if you remove the ending you should be left with the root verb.  We allow 't' for /t/ for some verbs, as in 'learnt', 'leant', 'spelt', 'smelt', 'spilt', and (as in US) 'dreamt', although the 'ed' are OK, as in 'learned' etc.  Where the root verb ends in 'll', the past is either 'lt' or 'lled'.  
 
Words like 'blessed' and 'learned' can be with /t/ or /i,d/, but this can change the meaning slightly.  This is for advanced learners!
 
Words ending /i,d/ which are _not_ verbs will usually have 'id' as in 'rapid'.  (Shouldn't this be 'rappid' to keep the sort /a/?)  But 'wicked' is spelt with 'ed'.  (Any other examples?)
 
Note that 'varied' has root 'vary' with /i/, so a second /i/ for the 'ed' ending is not necessary.
 
BTW, the http://www.m-w.com/ is definitely American English.  For example one meaning of "lift" is given as (mainly British) "elevator".  (On my first trip to US, arriving very jet-lagged at the hotel, I asked for the lifts, and got very strange looks.)
 
Cheers,
 
John
 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bonnita Solberg 
To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: [EnglishLanguage 1021] Re: pronunciation of ed


Addendum:  I searched for m-w.com to access the Mirraim Webster Dictionary.  Interesting:  m-w writes the sound of "tt" as "t', but when I clicked on the sound button, it was pronounced as a "d" sound, not a "t".

Bonnita Solberg <bdsunmt at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
I understand you have vested interest in keeping your system as you have developed it in truespel, but even this example does not hold true to your expectations.  If "jumped" is followed by a prepostion, it maintains its sound of "t" else it would be contorted into "jummed over".  In American English, the sound of "p" is lost with the final sound of "d".  Across the board, "jumped" is pronounced "jumpt" in American English.  Is m-w.com based on British English?  The sound of "tt" as "dd" in butter and better is the first pronunciation, not an alternate pronunciation, in American English.

Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote: 
Dictionaries can be consistently wrong on some issues. I found this out by 
respelling English in truespel phonetic notation. Maybe our pronunciation 
has evolved. For instance listen to m-w.com's (a great resource) 
pronunciation of butter and better. Those t's are spoken as d's and this 
does sound like typical USA pronunciation. But the m-w.com phonetics has 
"t" not "d". Truespel Beginner's Dictionary (authorhouse.com) possibly is 
the only dictionary that gives the "d" pronunciaton as an alternate.

As for "jumped", if you follow it with a preposition such as in, on, over, 
across, which is often done, you need the d to get the spoken sound right 
before the vowel beginning the next word, not t as someone pointed out. 
That's enough for me to keep it ~jumpd not ~jumpt.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.






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>Reply-To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion 

>List

>To: "The Adult English Language Learners Discussion 

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>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 1009] Re: pronunciation of ed

>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:27:53 -0800

>

>And I agree .. the unvoiced/voiced rule works automatically for /t/ and /d/ 

>"ed" pronunciation .. to try to twist the unvoiced "ed" to /d/ is not 

>logical and darn near impossible to do ... I'm not familiar with truspel 

>but from what I've read here, it is a phonetic system of spelling and every 

>dictionary I've every used has the phonetic spelling of jumped as /jumpt/ .

>

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>From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf of Bonnita Solberg

>Sent: Mon 1/15/2007 2:31 PM

>To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 1000] Re: pronunciation of ed

>

>

>The "t" sound of "ed" at the end of a word indicates past tense, as does 

>the sound "d" or "ed" or "id". I have not heard anyone in an American 

>English conversation say "jumped" four times in a row, so this point 

>escapes me. Although the sound "d" for "ed" at the end of a word is, in 

>some cases, easier to say, this example does not support that "sometimes." 

>In this case it is a contortion of American English to say "jumpd", which 

>is neither easy or used in "flowing" speech.

>

>Tom Zurinskas wrote:

>

> Thanks Tom, good points. My problem was how to phonetically spell "jumped"

> in truespel. (Someone said the books say ~jumpt, which started this

> discussion). I decided on ~jumpd. It retains the "d" to show past tense.

> It is mostly spoken "d" in flowing speech. Saying ~jumpt four times fast 

>is

> much more a strain (to get that aspiration in at the end of "t") than

> ~jumpd. This shows that ~d is easier to say, and speech tends to lean to

> the easiest pronunciation.

>

> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+

> See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.

>

>

> >From: "Thomas N. Robb"

> >Reply-To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion

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> >To: "The Adult English Language Learners Discussion

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> >Subject: [EnglishLanguage 997] Re: pronunciation of ed

> >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:50:37 +0900

> >

> >What is happening with the /d/, compared with /t/, endings is technically

> >called "devoicing". The "voiced consonants" such as /b/, /d/, /g/ and /v/

> >tend not to be fully voiced at the end of words, so they end up sounding

> >pretty much like their unvoiced counterparts /p/, /t/, /k/, and /f/. We

> >can't really say that they become the same, however, because if the

> >following word begins with a vowel, then the full voicing is heard.

> >Compare:

> >

> >He jumped.

> >

> >He jumped in.

> >

> >Cheers,

> > Tom Robb, Japan

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