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WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS STATEMENT THIS WEEK, NOW SECRETARY COHEN
SAID WE'VE REPLACED THOSE WEAPONS WITH WEAPONS IN OUR INVENTORY
NOW THAT ARE SAFE. I KNOW THAT DEFENSE SECRETARY COHEN WOULD
AGREE THAT THAT IS NOT A CORRECT STATEMENT. THAT ALL OF THE
WEAPONS IN OUR CURRENT INVENTORY LACK ONE OR MORE. THE
ESSENTIAL SAFETY FEATURES THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AS THE DIRECTOR OF LOS ALAMOS LAB, DR. SIDE HECKER INDICATED IN
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A LETTER TO ME AND I QUOTE, "WITH A CTBT IT WILL NOT BE
POSSIBLE TO MAKE SOME OF THE POTENTIAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FOR
GREATER INTRINSIC WARHEAD SAFETY DURING THE CONSIDERED 1990
TIME FRAME. THE REASON IS MANY NUCLEAR TESTS MUST BE DONE TO
CONFIRM THAT ONCE THEY ARE I OBJECT PRAILTED THE WEAPONS ARE
STILL RELIABLE AND OPERATE AS INTENDED. THE CTBT MAKES IT
POINTLESS TO TRY TO INVENT NEW I PROVED SAFETY FEATURES BECAUSE
THEY CANNOT BE ADOPTED WITHOUT TESTING. THE WORSE, THE CTBT
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MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO CHECK INTO SAFETY THROUGH THE
INCORPORATION OF CURRENT WELL UNDERSTO SAFETY FEATURES. THEY
CONSIST OF INSENSITIVE HIGH EXPLOSIVE AND FIRE RESISTANT PITS.
INSENSITIVE HIGH EXPLOSIVE IN THE PRIMARY OF A NUCLEAR WEAPON
IS INTEND TODAY PERMIT THE PREMATURE DETONATION OF THE TRIGGER
RESULTININ A POTENTIAL EXPLOSION SHOULD IT BE TO STRESS LIKE
BEING DROPPED. FIRE RESISTANT PITS ARE EXRESULTING IN
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RADIOACTIVE CONTAMINATION OF AN AREA SHOULD IT BE EXPOSED TO A
FIRE SUCH AS LOADING A WEAPON AN AIRCRAFT. UNFORTUNATELY, FEW
PEOPLE KNOW MANY OF OUR CURRENT WEAPONS DO NOT CONTAIN ALL THE
SAFETY FEATURES THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN INVENTED BY OUR NATIONAL
LABORATORIES. ONLY ONE IN NINE OF THE WEAPONS IN THE CURRENT
STOCKPILE INCORPORATES ALL SIX AVAILABLE SAFETY FEATURES. IN
FACT, THREE OF THE WEAPONS IN THE STOCKPILE, THE W-WARHEAD
WHICH IS USED ON THE MINUTE MAN THREE ICBM, AND THE W 76 AND
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W-88 WARHEADS WHICH SET A TOP MISSILES CARRIED ABOARD TRIDENT
SUBMARINES, INCORPORATE ONLY ONE OF THE SIX SAFETY FEATURES.
ANOTHER WEAPON, THE W-62 WARHEAD DOES NOT HAVE ANY OF THE SIX
SAFETY FEATURES INCORPORATED INTO ITS DESIGN. THE BOTTOM LINE
IS THAT A BAN ON NUCLEAR TESTING PREVENTS US FROM MAKING OUR
WEAPONS AS SAFE AS WE KNOW HOW TO MAKE THEM, AND CREATES A
DISINCENTIVE TO MAKING SUCH SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. MR. PRESIDENT,
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ANOTHER POINT THAT I THINK IS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT AS WE
DEBATE THIS CTBT IS THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE TREATY CAN NOTE BE
ACHIEVED BY ITS RATIFICATION. IN ADDITION TO UNDERMINING OUR
NUCLEAR DETERRENT AS I HAVE JUST SPOKEN TO, THE TREATY WILL NOT
ACHIEVE ITS GOAL OF HALTING NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION. NOW
SUPPORTERS OF THE TREATY SAY THE UNITED STATES MUST LEAD BY
EXAMPLE. AND THAT BY HALTING NUCLEAR TESTS OURSELVES WE WILL
PERSUADE OTHERS TO FOLLOW OUR EXAMPLE. YET THE HISTORY OF THE
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LAST EIGHT YEARS SHOWS THAT THIS THEORY IS FALSE. SINCE THE
UNITED STATES HALTED TESTING IN 1992, INDIA, PAKISTAN, RUSSIA,
CHINA, AND FRANCE HAVE ALL CONDUCTED TESTS. FURTHERMORE, THE
CTBT WILL NOT ESTABLISH A NEW INTERNATIONAL NORM AGAINST
NUCLEAR WEAPONS TESTING OR POSSESSION. THE NUCLEAR
NONPROLIFERATION TREATY, THE N.P.T. RATIFIED BY 185 COUNTRIES
HAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT NORM. THE N.P.T. CALLS FOR PARTIES
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TO THE TREATY OTHER THAN THE FIVE DECLARED NUCAR POIRS TO
PLEDGE NOT NO PURSUE NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAMS. YET, NORTH KOREA
AND IRAQ, TO NAME TWO, WHO ARE PARTIES TO THE N.P.T., HAVE OF
COURSE VIOLATED IT. THEY PURSUED NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAMS
DESPITE THEIR SOLEMN INTERNATIONAL PLEDGE NEVER TO DO SO. THE
C.T.B.T. WILL ADD NOTHING USEFUL TO THE INTERNATIONAL NONPROPE
LIVRATION REGIME SINCE THESE NATIONS IN EFFECT WOULD BE
PLEDGING NOT TO TEST THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS THEY HAVE ALREADY
PROMISED NEVER TO HAVE UNDER THE N.P.T. SO MUCH FOR THE
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NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL NORM. NOR WILL THE CTBT IMPOSE A
SIGNIFICANT I AM MEANT TO ACQUISITION OF WEAPONS BY ROGUE
STATES ALTHOUGH NUCLEAR TESTING ESSENCE TO MAINTAINING THE
SOPHISTICATED NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE U.S. ART NAL TODAY, IT IS
NOT REQUIRED TO DEVELOP RELATIVELY SIMPLE FIRST GENERATION
NUCLEAR DEVICES LIKE THOSE NEEDED OR BEING DEVELOPED BY IRAN
AND IRAQ. FOR EXAMPLE, THE UNITED STATES BOMB DROPPED ON
HIROSHIMA WAS NEVER TESTED AND THE ISRAELI NUCLEAR ARSENAL HAS
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BEEN CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT TESTING. INCIDENTALLY THE CLRGS DOES
NOT DISPUTE THIS POINT. IN SENATE TESTIMONY IN 1997 C.I.A.
DIRECTOR GEORGE TENET STATED NUCLR TESTING IS NOT REQUIRED FOR
THE ACQUISITION OF A BASIC NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAPABILITY. I.E. A
BULKY FIRST GENERATION DEVICE WITH BUT DID I OF CAN YOU.
TESTING WITH NO NUCLEAR YIELD WOULD PROVIDE REASONABLE
CONFIDENCE IN THE PERFORMANCE OF A FIRST GENERATION DEVICE.
NUCLEAR TESTING BECOMES CRITICAL ONLY WHEN A PROGRAM MOVES
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BEYOND BASIC DESIGNS TO INCORPORATE MORE ADVANCED CONCEPTS. I
BELIEVE DIRECTOR TENANT IS CORRECT BASED ON SECRETARY OF
DEFENSE LETTER THAT I QUOTED EARLIER. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO
UNDERESTIMATE THE WEAPON, THOUGH, DESCRIBED BY DIRECTOR TENANT.
THIS BULKY FIRST GENERATION DEVICE WITH HIGH RELIABILITY BUT
LOW EFFICIENCY. IT IS A LOT LIKE THE BOMB WE DROPPED ON
HIROSHIMA TO CHANGE WORLD HISTORY. IT IS A STRATEGIC WEAPON. IF
NORTH KOREA OR IRAN WERE TO BE ABLE TO DEPLOY SUCH A WEAPON,
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THEY COULD, TO PUT IT MILDLY, SEVERELY REDUCE OUR ABILITY TO
PROTECT OUR INTERESTS IN EAST ASIA AND THE PERSIAN GULF. THESE
ARE WEAPONS DESIGNED TO INTIMIDATE AND TO KILL LARGE NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE IN CITIES. NOT TO DESTROY PURELY MILITARY TARGETS AS THE
UNITED STATES WEAPONS ARE DESIGNED TO DO. MR. PRESIDENT,
ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH THE CTBT IS THAT IT IS TOTALLY
UNVERIFIABLE. IT CANNOT BE VERIFIED, DESPITE THE VAST ARRAY OF
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EXPENSIVE SENSORS AND DETECTION TECHNOLOGY BEING ESTABLISHED
UNDER THE TREATY, IT WILL BE POSSIBLE FOR NATIONS TO CONDUCT
MILL THAT TRLY SIGNIFICANT TESTING WITH LITTLE OR NO RISK OF
DETECTION. EFFECTIVE VERIFICATION REQUIRES HIGH CONFIDENCE THAT
MILITARILY SIGNIFICANT CHEATING WILL BE DETECTED IN A TIMELY
MANNER. THE UNITED STATES CANNOT NOW AND WILL NOT IN THE NEAR
FUTURE BE ABLE TO CONFIDENTLY DETECT AND IDENTIFY MILITARILY
SIGNIFICANT TESTS OF ONE KILOTON OR LESS. BY THE WAY, THAT'S
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ROUGHLY 500 TIMES LARGER THAN THE BLAST WHICH DESTROYED THE
MURRAH BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY. WE CAN'T DETECT A TEST OF
THAT MAGNITUDE. WHAT IS MILITARILY SIGNIFICANT NUCLEAR TESTING?
DEFINITIONS OF THE TERM MIGHT VAIRP. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT
ANY NUCLEAR TEST THAT GIVES A NATION INFORMATION TO MAINTAIN
ITS WEAPONS OR DEVELOP A NEWER OR MORE EFFECTIVE WEAPON IS MAIL
TAIRL SIGNIFICANT. IN THE COURSE OF U.S. WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT
NUCLEAR TESTS WITH YIELD BETWEEN ONE KILOTON AND TEN KILL TONS
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HAVE GENERALLY BEEN LARGE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE PROVE DATA ON NEW
WEAPONS DESIGNS. OTHER WEAPONS MIGHT HAVE WEAPONRY THAT CAN BE
ASSESSED AT LOWER YIELDS. AS WE KNOW CRUDE BUT STRATEGICALLY
SIGNIFICANT WEAPONS LIKE THE ONE WE DROPPED ON HIROSHIMA DON'T
NEED TO BE TESTED AT ALL. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT LET'S BE
CONSERVATIVE AND ASSUME THAT OTHER NATIONS WOULD WANT TO
CONDUCT TESTS AT LEVELS ABOUT ONE KILOTON TO DEVELOP A NEW
WEAPON DESIGN. THE VERIFY KIGS SYSTEM OF THE CTBT IS SUPPOSED
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TO DETECT BLASTS ABOVE ONE KILOTON. SO IT WILL SEEM THAT MOST
CHEATER WILL BE CAUGHT. BUT LOOK AT THE TREATY'S FINE PRINT.
THE CTBT'S INTERNATIONAL MONDAY THING SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO
DETECT TESTS OF ONE KILOTON OR MORE, IF THEY ARE NONINNOVATIVE
SIF. THAT MEANS THE CHEATER WILL ONLY BE CAUGHT IF HE DOES NOT
TRY TO HIDE HIS NUCLEAR TEST. WHAT IF HE DOES WANT TO HIDE IT?
WHAT IF HE CONDUCTS HIS TEST EE VAI CIVIL?
IT IS A VERY SIMPLE TASK FOR RUSSIA, CHINA, TO HILD NUCLEAR
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TESTS. ONE OF THE BEST NOPE MEANS OF INVASION IS DETONATING THE
NUCLEAR DEVICE IN A CAVITY SUCH AS A SALT TOMORROW OR ROOM
MINED BELOW GROUND. BECAUSE IT SURROUND THE EXPLOSION WITH
MILLION SPACE, THIS TECHNIQUE CALLED "DECOUPLING" REDUCES THE
NOISE OR SIZE OF THE DETONATION SIGNAL. THE SIGNAL OF A
DECOUPLED TEST IS SO MUCH DIMINISHED, BY AS MUCH AS A FACTOR OF
70, THAT IT WILL NOT BE TO RELIABLE DETECT. FOR EXAMPLE, A
1,000 TON HIDDEN TEST WOULD HAVE A SIGNAL OF A 14 TON OPEN
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TEST. THIS PUTS THE SIGNAL OF THE EE E. ILLICIT TEST WELL BELOW
THE THRESHOLD OF DETECTION. DECOUPLING IS A WELL-KNOWN
TECHNIQUE. TECHNOLOGICALLY SIMPLE TO ACHIEVE. IN FACT IT IS
QUITE POSSIBLE THAT RUSSIA AND CHINA HAVE CONTINUED NUCLEAR
TESTING DIRT THE PAST SEVEN YEARS WHILE THE U.S. HAS REFRAINED
FROM DOING SO BY THE USE OF DECUP RING. THERE ARE OTHER MEANS
OF CHEATING THAT CAN CIRCUMVENT VERIFICATION. ONE IS OPEN OCEAN
TESTING. THEY CAN PUT IT ON A BARGE, TO IT AND DETONATE IT. IT
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WOULD BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO LINK THE TEST TO THE CHEATER.
WHILE THESE TECH TECHNIQUES ARE COMPLEX, THE COSTS ARE LOW
COMPARED TO THE EXPENSE OF A NUCLEAR WEAPON PROGRAM AND NO MORE
COMPLICATED THAN WEAPONS DESIGN. FURTHER ESTABLISHED NUCLEAR
POWERS ARE WELL POSITIONED TO CONDUCT TESTING TO ENSURE
RELIABILITY AND UNDERTAKE MODEST UPGRADE THEIR ARTS NAMS.
RUSSIA AND CHINA DO NOT HAVE GOOD RECORDS ON COMPLIANCE WITH
ARMS CONTROL AND NONPROLIFERATION COMMITMENTS. IN ADDITION,
ACCORDING TO THE "WASHINGTON TIMES", U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES
BELIEVE CHINA CONDUCTED A SMALL UNDERGROUND TEST IN JUNE AND
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RUSSIA IS BELIEVED TO HAVE CONDUCTED A NUCLEAR TEST EARLIER
THIS MONTH. WHILE NEITHER COUNTRY HAS RATIFIED THE CTBT BOTH
HAVE SIGNED THE TREATY AND PROMISED TO ADHERE TO A TESTING
MORATORIUM. AGAIN, SO MUCH FOR THE NORM. MR. PRESIDENT, THE
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT A DETERMINED COUNTRY HAS SEVERAL MEANS TO
CONCEAL ITS WEAPONS TEST AND THE CTBT IS NOT EFFECTIVELY
VERIFIABLE. LET ME STRESS HERE MY ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT BASED ON
OPINIONS. OUR INABILITY TO VERIFY A WHOLE RANGE OF NUCLEAR
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TESTING IS WELL-KNOWN AND HAS BEEN AFFIRMED BY THE U.S.
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. AS THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED EARLIER
THIS WEEK, OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES LACK THE ABILITY TO
CONFIDENTLY DETECT LOW YIELD TESTS. WEAPON WOULD BE
IRRESPONSIBLE TO THE EXTREME TO RATIFY AN UN UNVERIFY ABILITY
ARMS CONTROL TREATY ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS TREATY WILL REDUCE OUR
CONFIDENCE IN OUR N NUCLEAR DETERRENT. PRESIDENT CLINTON'S
FIRST DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A. JAMES WOOLSEY SUMMED UP PROBLEMS
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WITH VERIFICATION STATING IN SENATE TESTIMONY I BELIEVE A ZERO
YIELD COMPREHENSIVE TEST BAN TREATY IS EXTRAORDINARY DIFFICULT
TO THE POINT OF NEAR POSSIBILITY AND POSSIBLY TO THE POINT OF
IMPOSSIBILITY TO VERIFY FROM A FAR. NOW, IN ADDITION TO THE
NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE TREATY
RATIFICATION, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE ACCORD IS VERY
POORLY CRAFTED. THE CTBT IS WEAKEST AT ITS VERY FOUNDATION. IT
ACTUALLY FAILS TO SAY WHAT IT BANS. NOWHERE IN ITS 17 ARTICLES
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AND TWO ANNEXES ARE THE TERMS "NUCLEAR WEAPONS TEST EXPLOSION"
OR "NUCLEAR EXPLOSION" DID HE FIND FOR QUANTIFIED AND THESE ARE
THE TREATIES USED IN THE BASIC OBLIGATIONS. ACTING UNDER
SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN HOLLUM ADMITTED THIS IN JUNE 29 OF THIS
YEAR STATING THE U.S. DECIDED AT THE OUTSET OF NEGOTIATIONS NOT
TO SEEK A NATIONAL AGREEMENT ON THE DEFINITION OF NUCLEAR TEST
EXPLOSION IN THE TREATY TEXT. THE COURSE OF NEGOTIATIONS
CONFIRMED OUR JUDGMENT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT AND POSSIBLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO SPECIFY IN
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TECHNICAL TERMS WHAT IS PROHIBITED BY THE TREATY. MR.
PRESIDENT, WHEN I READ THAT AGAIN, THE COURSE OF NEGOTIATIONS
CONFIRMED OUR JUDGMENT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT AND POSSIBLY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO SPECIFY IN
TECHNICAL TERMS WHAT IS PROHIBITED BY THE TREATY. BUT ANOTHER
NATION MIGHT CHOOSE TO APPLY A LESS RESTRICTIVE DEFINITION AND
CONDUCTS VERY LOW-YIELD TESTING, WHAT WE CALL HYDRONUCLEAR
TESTING. WHILE THE UNITED STATES INTERPRETS THE TREATY TO BAN
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ALL NUCLEAR EXPLOSIVE TESTING, IT IS WHY THEY CALL IT A ZERO
BAN TEST, OTHER NATIONS COULD CONDUCT VERY LOW YIELD TESTING,
WHICH I SAID WE COULDN'T VERIFY, BUT WHICH THEY WOULD CONSIDER
IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TREE I. THE SO-CALLED HYDRONUCLEAR
TESTING IS VERY USEFUL TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAMS BY HELPING
IMPROVE THE UNDERSTANDING OF FUNDAMENTAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS
PHYSICS. IT HELPS THEM DEVELOP NEW WEAPONS CONCEPTS. ASCERTAIN
EXISTING WEAPONS RELIABILITY AND EXERCISE THE SKILLS OF
SCIENTISTS AND TECHNICIANS. THE ENERGY RELEASED IN THIS TYPE OF
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TEST CAN BE LESS THAN FOUR POUND OF CONVENTION AT HIGH
EXPLOSIVES, AND AS I SAY, WOULD CERTAINLY ESCAPE DETECTION.
THIS IS WHERE THE TREATY'S VAGUENESS IS HARMFUL TO OUR
INTERESTS. EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO DETECT IT THE NATION
CONDUCTING A HYDRONUCLEAR TEST COULD SIMPLY ARGUE IT WAS LEGAL
UNDER THE TREATY AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE HISTORICAL CTBT
NEGOTIATING RECORD ON THEIR SIDE. MANY GRAFTS OF THE CTBT PRIOR
TO THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, ALLOWED FOR LOW YIELD PERMITTED
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EXPERIMENTS. THE VAIRP IF I INDICATION REGIME OF THE CTBT
CENTEREDED ON THE INTERNATIONAL MONITORING SYSTEM. I.M.S. BUT
THAT CAN'T DETECT SOME TESTS. TESTS CAN BE CONDUCTED WITH NO
DETECTION BY THER THE I.M.S. OR U.S. TECHNICAL MEANS. MR.
PRESIDENT, THERE IS MUCH MORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS TREATY, BUT I
BELIEVE I HAVE OUTLINED THE PRIMARY REASONS WHY THE ONLY
PRUDENT COURSE FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE IS TO REJECT THE
CTBT.
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