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           UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. DOMENICI AND THEN MR. MCCAIN HAVE ORDERS
           FOR RECOGNITION.
           
[ram]{14:00:12 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }
           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR IS CORRECT.
           
[ram]{14:00:23 NSP} (MR. BYRD) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }
           MR. BYRD: I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT I MAY BRIEFLY SPEAK NOW
           AND THAT I ALSO BE RECOGNIZED FOLLOWING THE SPEECH BY MR.
           MCCAIN AND THE SPEECH BY MR. DOMENICI AND I BE RECOGNIZED AT
           THAT TIME FOR NOT TO EXCEED 45 MINUTES.
           
[ram]{14:00:47 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }
           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION.
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
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           MR. BYRD: MR. PRESIDENT, ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, THE SENATE
           LOST ONE OF ITS OWN FAMILY MEMBERS. NOT A MEMOIR CAPITAL "M"
           ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, BUT NONE PAID UNSUNG BUT, OH, SO
           IMPORTANT. A MEMBER OF THE SENATE FAMILY ON WEDNESDAY, MAUREEN
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           MANSFIELD, THE BELOVED LIFE OF FORMER MAJORITY LEADER MIKE
           MANSFIELD, PASSED AWAY. IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT WITHOUT THE
           EFFORTS -- WITHOUT THE EFFORTS, THE ENERGY, THE DEDICATION AND
           THE LOVE OF MAUREEN MANSFIELD, THE STPHALT AND THE PEOPLE OF
           MONTANA MIGHT -- THE SENATE AND THE PEOPLE OF MONTANA MIGHT
           NEVER HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE EXTRAORDINARY TALENTS OF MIKE
           MANSFIELD.
           
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           LIKE MYSELF, MIKE WAS RAISED BY AN AUNT AND UNCLE AFTER THE
           DEATH OF HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS JUST THREE YEARS OLD. DURING
           THE FIRST WORLD WAR, MIKE MANSFIELD DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL AND
           HE JOINED THE NAVY, AND HE ALSO SERVED WITH THE ARMY AND IN THE
           MARINE CORPS. UPON HIS RETURN TO MONTANA, HE WORKED AS A MUCKER
           IN THE COPPER MINES. AND DID NOT RESUME THE SCHOOLING THAT HE
           HAD LEFT BEHIND IN THE EIGHTH GRADE. MAUREEN, A HIGH
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           SCHOOLTEACHER WHEN HER YOUNGER SISTER INTRODUCED HER TO MIKE,
           ENCOURAGED HIM TO RETURN TO SCHOOL. SHE HELPED HIM TO APPLY TO
           MONTANA STATE UNIVERSITY AND HELPED HIM TO COMPLETE HIS HIGH
           SCHOOL EQUIVALENCY COURSES BEFORE COMPLETING COLLEGE. SHE
           CASHED IN HER LIFE INSURANCE AND WORKED AS A SOCIAL WORKER IN
           ORDER TO SUPPORT HER HUSBAND IN SCHOOL. AND THEN BOTH OF THEM
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           WENT ON TO EARN MASTERS DEGREES. MAUREEN MANSFIELD DID NOT
           BELIEVE IN AND SHE DISPROVED THE OLD SAW THAT YOU CANNOT CHANGE
           A MAN AND THAT ALL EFFORTS TO DO SO WILL BE FUTILE. MIKE
           MANSFIELD'S CONGRESSIONAL CAREER ALSO BENEFITED FROM MAUREEN
           MANSFIELD'S SUPPORT. MAUREEN WOULD CAMPAIGN FOR MIKE IN
           MONTANA, SOMETIMES ON HER OWN WHEN MIKE COULD NOT GET AWAY FROM
           WASHINGTON. MIKE MANSFIELD SERVED FIVE TERMS IN THE HOUSE OF
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           REPRESENTATIVES BEFORE HIS FIRST ELECTION TO THE SENATE. IN THE
           UNITED STATES SENATE, LYNDON JOHNSON PICKED MIKE FOR PARTY
           WHIP. IN THOSE DAYS IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT IS NOW,
           BECAUSE A LEADER WILL NOT PICK ANOTHER MEMBER FOR THE OFFICE OF
           PARTY WHIP. MIKE WENT ON -- THAT'S A MATTER THAT THE MEMBERS
           WILL RESOLVE. MIKE WENT ON TO SERVE AS MAJORITY LEADER HIMSELF
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           FOR 16 YEARS, LONGER THAN ANY OTHER SENATOR. I SERVED AS HIS
           PARTY WHIP. I CONTINUE TO HOLD MIKE MANSFIELD IN THE HIGHEST
           RESPECT. MIKE AND MAUREEN HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GOOD FRIENDS TO ME
           AND TO ERMA, AND WE WILL BOTH MISS THEIR COMPANIONSHIP AND THE
           VERY DEEP AFFECTION AND ESTEEM WITH WHICH THEY TREATED EACH
           OTHER AND WHICH SUSTAINED THEM THROUGH 68 YEARS OF MARRIAGE. SO
           I'VE GOT FIVE MORE YEARS TO GO, ERMA AND I, BEFORE WE CAN SAY
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           WE'VE BEEN MARRIED 68 YEARS. BUT MIKE AND MAUREEN SET AN
           EXEMPLARY AND GREAT EXAMPLE IN THAT REGARD. MIKE MANSFIELD
           NEVER LOST HIS APPRECIATION FOR HIS WIFE'S SUPPORT. HE ALWAYS
           READILY GAVE MAUREEN THE CREDIT THAT HE FELT SHE WAS DUE AND
           WHICH I, HAVING ENJOYED THE SAME KIND OF LOVE AND SUPPORT FROM
           MY OWN WIFE, READILY ENDORSE. THESE TALENTED, ORGANIZED,
           GRACIOUS WOMEN, LIKE MAUREEN MANSFIELD AND MY WIFE ERMA, COULD
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           HAVE COMMANDED ARMIES. THEY COULD HAVE RUN UNIVERSITIES OR WON
           SENATE SEATS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT. BUT THEY CHOSE INSTEAD TO
           HITCH THEIR STARS TO THE WAGONS OF THEIR HUSBANDS. AND MIKE
           MANSFIELD AND I ARE DEFINITELY THE BETTER FOR IT. I BELIEVE TOO
           THAT THE NATION IS BETTER OFF AS A RESULT. THE DEMANDS OF THE
           SENATE, PARTICULARLY THE DEMANDS PLACED UPON MAJORITY LEADERS,
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           ARE STRESSFUL, THEY ARE TIME-CONSUMING, THEY ARE EXHAUSTING. IT
           IS EVEN MORE THAN A TWO-PERSON JOB. I COULD CONCENTRATE ON
           SENATE MATTERS KNOWING THAT ERMA WAS THERE AT HOME TO SUPPORT
           ME, TO GIVE THE LOVE AND AFFECTION AND ATTENTION TO OUR TWO
           DAUGHTERS THAT THEY SO MUCH DESERVED. I'M HERE TO SAY THAT ONE
           OLD ADAGE IS CERTAINLY TRUE, AND THAT IS THIS, AND WE'VE ALL
           HEARD IT MANY TIMES. "BEHIND ANY MAN, ANY GREAT MAN IS AN EVEN
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           GREATER WOMAN." TO THE EXTENT THAT I EVER WANTED TO BE GREAT,
           I'VE BEEN DENIED THAT -- THAT, BUT I CAN SAY THAT I HAVE ERMA
           TO THANK FOR WHATEVER I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. I THINK
           MIKE MANSFIELD WOULD SAY THE SAME ABOUT MAUREEN. NOW THAT
           MAUREEN HAS FOUND NEW LIFE IN THE SHELTER OF GOD'S HAND, I HOPE
           THAT MIKE AND HIS DAUGHTER, ANN, AND HIS GRANDDAUGHTER MIGHT
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           SYMPATHIZE WITH THE WORDS OF THE BEYOND BY ELLER WHEELER
           WILCOX. IT SEEMTH SUCH A LITTLE WAY TO ME, ACROSS THAT STRANGE
           COUNTRY, THE BEYOND. AND YET, NOT STRANGE FOR IT HAS GROWN TO
           BE THE HOME OF THOSE OF WHOM I AM SO FOND. THEY MAKE IT SEEM
           FAMILIAR AND MOST DEAR AS JOURNEYING FRIENDS BRING DISTANT
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           COUNTRIES NEAR. AND SO FOR ME, THERE IS NO STING OF DEATH. AND
           SO THE GRAVE HAS LOST ITS VICTORY. IT IS BUT CROSSING WITH
           BATED BREATH AND WHITE SET FACE A LITTLE STRIP OF SEA TO FIND
           THE LOVED ONES WAITING ON THE SHORE MORE BEAUTIFUL, MORE
           PRECIOUS THAN BEFORE. WE MISS HER HERE BUT SHE SURELY WAITS FOR
           MIKE. MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.
           
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[ram]{14:08:59 NSP} (MR. DOMENICI) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }
           MR. DOMENICI: MR. PRESIDENT?
           
           
[ram]{14:09:02 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }
           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM NEW MEXICO.
           
[ram]{14:09:08 NSP} (MR. DOMENICI) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }
           MR. DOMENICI: MR. PRESIDENT, FIRST I WANT TO CONGRATULATE
           SENATOR BYRD ON HIS COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE VERY
           DISTINGUISHED MIKE MANSFIELD AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM RECENTLY
           IN THE PASSING OF HIS BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL WIFE. I TOO, IN
           READING ABOUT HIM, I DIDN'T EXPERIENCE AS MUCH OF HIM AS YOU
           DID. BUT WHAT I DID WAS RATHER SENSATIONAL AND RATHER UNIQUE,
           THE WAY HE DID THINGS. BUT EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T KNOW HIM AS
           LONG AS YOU DID AND DIDN'T FEEL HIS PRESENCE AS MUCH, WHAT I
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           KNOW OF HIM, HE'S A VERY REMARKABLE AMERICAN. CAN YOU IMAGINE
           IN HIS EARLY LIFE WHAT HE DID AND HOW HE GOT EDUCATED AND FINDS
           HIMSELF MAJORITY LEADER OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE FOR -- AND
           HE DOES THAT FOR A LONG TIME. ISN'T HE STILL THE RECORD HOLDER?
           
           
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           MR. BYRD: HE IS. HE WAS MAJORITY LEADER LONGER THAN ANY OTHER
           SENATOR.
           
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           MR. DOMENICI: AND FRANKLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, HE DID IT
           WITH A VERY COOL HAND. I MEAN, MAYBE IT WAS DIFFERENT DAYS, BUT
           IT WAS LESS CONFRONTATIONAL TODAY, AS I UNDERSTAND. NO
           CRITICISMS, JUST IT WAS DIFFERENT WHEN HE WAS LEADING IT.
           
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           MR. BYRD: WE WERE IN VERY DIFFERENT TIMES AND WE WERE DEALING
           WITH DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES. HE WAS A REMARKABLE MAN, HOWEVER.
           AND I THANK THE VERY DISTINGUISHED SENIOR SENATOR FROM NEW
           MEXICO FOR HIS WORDS.
           
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           MR. DOMENICI: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, YESTERDAY AND MAYBE TWO
           PREVIOUS TIMES ON THE SENATE FLOOR I HAVE DISCUSSED THE GORE
           BUDGET AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ALL OF THE HUGE AMOUNT OF
           MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE TAXPAYERS WHICH WE'VE BEGUN
           TO CALL SURPLUS. I CHOOSE NOW TO CALL IT THE TAX SURPLUS. IT'S
           -- IT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING IN THAT WE DON'T NEED. AND
           I'D LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN MAKE SURE THAT THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE
           FOR PRESIDENT, GEORGE W. BUSH, AND THE VICE PRESIDENT WHO LAST
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           NIGHT DID SUCH A MARVELOUS JOB, THE DISTINGUISHED FORMER
           SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, DICK CHENEY, I URGE THEM TO CONTINUE --
           TO CONTINUE -- TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT THE GORE BUDGET
           WILL LOOK LIKE. WHEN THEY MENTION IT, WHEN IT'S MENTIONED,
           EVERYBODY SAYS THIS CAME FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE STAFF THAT
           ARE REPUBLICANS. AND THEREFORE, YOU SHOULDN'T USE IT. IT'S
           PARTISAN. IT'S LIKE PAPER THAT IS NOT EVEN WORTH USING. I
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           SUBMIT AND I TELL OUR TWO CANDIDATES, YOU KEEP USING IT AND YOU
           KEEP SAYING IT'S TRUE, BECAUSE THE -- ABOUT AS GOOD A PEOPLE AS
           WE'VE EVER HAD TO LOOK AT BUDGETS LOOKED AT THE GORE BUDGET.
           AND FRANKLY, THE CHAIRMAN -- I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT
           COMMITTEE, AND I'VE RELIED UPON THEIR EXPERTISE YEAR AFTER
           YEAR. I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO EXAGGERATE AND SAY THEY ARE THE
           BEST. THEY ARE THE BEST AT GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF PROGRAMS
           AND ANALYZING THEM. I ASKED THEM TO DO IT. THEY DID IT. THEY
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           GAVE US A MAJOR REPORT ON THE SUBJECT. AND I WOULD SAY TO OUR
           CANDIDATE, THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS, FORMER SECRETARY DICK CHENEY,
           NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT IT, YOU USE IT. THE GORE BUDGET
           HAS 200 NEW PROGRAMS IN IT. IF YOU ESTIMATE APPROPRIATELY THEIR
           COST BASED UPON WHAT IS SAID ABOUT THE PROGRAM, YOU CANNOT PAY
           FOR THOSE PROGRAMS WITHOUT USING ALL OF THE ON-BUDGET SURPLUS
           AND $700 BILLION TO $900 BILLION OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY
           SURPLUS. NOW THAT'S OUR VERSION. WE THINK IT'S TRUE. AND WE
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           DON'T BELIEVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THAT WHEN YOU
           FINALLY HAVE A SURPLUS BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING SO MUCH MORE IN
           TAXES THAN WE NEED, WE DON'T THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT THE
           GOVERNMENT TO GROW AT THE LARGEST RATE IN MODERN HISTORY.
           PROBABLY IF YOU PUT THE GORE EXPENDITURE BUDGET INTO EFFECT,
           YOU WILL INCREASE GOVERNMENT IN ONE TO TWO YEARS MORE THAN ANY
           MODERN YEAR EXCEPTING MAYBE THE LYNDON JOHNSON GREAT SOCIETY
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           YEAR. TWO YEARS. NOW IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, AS THE CHAIRMAN
           OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, WHAT VICE PRESIDENT GORE SAYS ABOUT
           THESE FIGURES, NOR WHAT OUR DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM
           CONNECTICUT, THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, WHOM I HAVE GREAT
           RESPECT FOR, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY KEEP SAYING. THE TRUTH
           OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF THAT BUDGET. AND EARLY
           NEXT WEEK WE WILL HAVE A FULL ANALYSIS OF THE -- THEY FINALLY
           PUT THEIR BUDGET INTO SHEETS OF PAPER. IT'S A VERY LARGE
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           BUDGET. WE WILL FINALLY HAVE THAT ANALYZED. AND I'M TOLD IT
           WILL COME OUT NO DIFFERENT. IT WILL COME OUT THE SAME WAY.
           200-PLUS NEW PROGRAMS, THE LARGEST NEW EXPENDITURE IN THE NEXT
           FIVE YEARS THAT WE'VE EVER HAD IN GOVERNMENT. AND IF YOU TAKE
           THEM AT THEIR WORD AND DO ALL OF THEM, YOU CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT
           SPENDING PART OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS. NO MATTER WHAT
           THEY SAY ABOUT ITS SOURCE, IT IT'S AS GOOD AS ANYTHING THEY'VE
           GOT. I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE. HE
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           KNOWS THAT. BUT LAST NIGHT HE SAID SOMETHING THAT WASN'T TRUE,
           AND I JUST WOULD ASK HIM TO TAKE A LOOK. HE SAID THEIR BUDGET,
           THE BUDGET THEY HAVE, ANALYZED FOR THE FUTURE WAS DONE BY A
           NEUTRAL BODY CALLED THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. THAT'S TO
           MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WOULD THINK IT'S AUTHENTIC AND THE
           DOMENICI BUDGET ANALYSIS IS NOT AUTHENTIC. LET ME ASSURE
           EVERYONE, THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE DOES NOT DO AN
           ANALYSIS OF
{END: 2000/10/06 TIME: 14-15 , Fri.  106TH SENATE, SECOND SESSION}
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