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MANY MORE LIMIT THEIR HOURS TO AVOID THE SOCIAL SECURITY
EARNINGS TEST AND ITS APPLICATION WHICH WOULD RESULT IN THE
DEDUCTION OF SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS. A MANUFACTURER FROM
BELLTON, MISSOURI SAID TO ME, SENIORS WORK UNTIL THEY REACH THE
INCOME LIMIT, AND THEN THEY TELL THE EMPLOYER I WON'T BE HERE
NEXT WEEK, I WILL SEE YOU NEXT JANUARY. WELL, WHAT DOES THIS DO
TO OUR SITUATION WHERE WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH
CONTINUITY AND WE WANT OUR MANUFACTURERS AND OUR ENTERPRISES TO
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BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE WITH CONTINUITY?
WELL, HERE YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYER WHO IS LEFT IN THE LURCH HAVING
TO ABSORB TRAINING COSTS OR HEAVY OVERTIME COSTS BECAUSE WE
HAVE SAID TO SENIORS, YOU CAN'T WORK ON A REGULAR BASIS IF THAT
REGULAR BASIS CARRIES YOU OVER THE INCOME LIMIT. THESE
DECISIONS OF PEOPLE WORKING FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND THEN
PRECIPITOUSLY DROPPING OFF OR BEING UNDEREMPLOYED BY NOT
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WORKING VERY MUCH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE YEAR, THESE DECISIONS
ARE BASED ON THE ARBITRARY EARNINGS TEST LIMIT OF THE SOCIAL
SECURITY ADMINISTRATION WHICH SAYS THAT IF YOU PASS A CERTAIN
LIMIT, WE WILL START DEDUCTING FROM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK.
EVEN WHEN SENIORS WORK AROUND THE TEST THEY SUFFER UNEXPECTED
COSTS. C.D. CLARK FROM FLORISSANT, MISSOURI, EARNED $25,000
BEFORE TRYING TO LIMIT EARNINGS TO PROTECT HIMSELF FROM THE
TEST. HE PLANNED TO WORK ONLY EIGHT MONTHS SO HIS SOCIAL
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SECURITY BENEFITS WOULD NOT BE CUT. HE WOULD GET HIMSELF DOWN
UNDER THE LIMIT. SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION HOWEVER ASSUMED
THAT HE WOULD EARN THE SAME AMOUNT, THE $ $25,000 HE EARNED
PREVIOUSLY AND WITHHELD HIS SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS FROM JANUARY
THROUGH MARCH OF THIS YEAR. WHEN MR. CLARK COMPLAINED TO THE
SOCIAL SECURITY THAT HE HAD NOT REACHED THE INCOME LIMIT OF
$17,000, HE WAS TOLD, "WE LIKE TO GET OUR MONEY UP FRONT." AS
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IF SOCIAL SECURITY WAS THEIR MONEY, AS IF IT WERE NOT A BENEFIT
FOR WHICH MR. CLARK HAD PAID YEARS AND YEARS OF TAXES. NOT ONLY
DO WE FIND PEOPLE HARMED FINANCIALLY, BUT SENIORS EXPRESSED TO
ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEIR PHYSICAL AND MENTAL
WELL-BEING IS PINED UPON THEIR ABILITY TO KEEP WORKING. IN ST.
JOSEPH, MISSOURI, WORKING IS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. SENIORS WHO
DON'T WORK OFTEN LOSE THEIR SENSE OF SELF-WORTH SELF-WORTH.
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THIS POINT WAS NOT ONLY MADE TO ME IN ST. JOSEPH BUT ACROSS THE
STATE. IN JOPLIN, FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS GIVEN THE SAME
INFORMATION. TO THE EXTENT IT KEEPS 200,000 SENIORS FROM
WORKING, IT HARMS THE MENTAL WELL-BEING OF THOSE 200,000
MISSOURI SENIORS WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ACTIVE. OVER AND OVER
AGAIN THIS WAS A REFRAIN THAT I HEARD FROM SENIORS, WE WANT TO
WORK, WE WANT TO BE ACTIVE, AND WE NEED TO BE. THE EARNINGS
TEST CAN THREATEN LIVES IN OTHER WAYS AS WELL. LOIS MURPHY OF
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SLTUGS ST. LOUIS IS 65 AND WORKS PART-TIME AS A NURSE IN THE
OPERATING ROOM. THE HOSPITAL SUFFERS FROM A LABOR SHORTAGE AND
NEEDS HELP FROM WOMEN LIKE MRS. MURPHY WHO ARE EXPERIENCED AND
WILLING AND DEDICATED TO WORK. BUT SHE LIMITS HER HOURS BECAUSE
OF THE EARNINGS LIMIT. TAKING A SKILLED EXPERIENCED AND NEEDED
WORKER OUT OF THE HOSPITAL, OUT OF THE CAPACITY OF CARING FOR
OTHERED INDIVIDUALS. MRS. MURPHY WROTE TO ME AND I QUOTE, --
QUOTE -- "THE $17,000 LIMIT A PERSON CAN EARN PLUS THE SMALL
SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK IS NOT ENOUGH TO LIVE COMFORTABLY AND
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ENJOY YOUR SENIOR YEARS." MRS. MURPHY NEATLY SUMMARIZED THIS
ISSUE IN ONE SIMPLE SENTENCE AND I QUOTE, -- QUOTE --" I THINK
IN A SENIOR AT AGE 65 IS WILLING TO WORK, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE
TO EARN A LOT MORE OR NOT HAVE A LIMIT." I BELIEVE MRS. MURPHY
IS RIGHT. SENIORS SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TOO EARN IF THEY
CHOOSE. THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. WE MUST SEND
THE EARNINGS TEST INTO RETIREMENT. WE SHOULD RETIRE THE
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EARNINGS TEST, NOT FORCE THE RETIREMENT OF OUR SENIOR CITIZENS.
ONE OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND OPERATORS THAT I TALKED TO PUT
IT THIS WAY: SENIORS ARE ABLE TO WORK PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY
THROUGH MOST OF THE YEAR UNTIL THEY GET UP TO THE BRINK OF THE
CHRISTMAS SEASON WHEN THEY REALLY ARE NEEDED AND THEN WHEN THEY
ARE REALLY INTENSELY NEEDED, THE EARNINGS TEST KICKS IN AND
THEY HAVE TO CHECK OUT. MANY SENIORS WHO WANT TO WORK DON'T
WORK BECAUSE OF THE COSTS IMPOSED BY THE EARNINGS TEST. TAKE
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FOR EXAMPLE RA SENIOR IN THE 28% TAX BRACKET. THE ERX TEST
KIRKS IN, ONE OUT OF EVERY $3 IS TAKEN AWAY BY SOCIAL SECURITY
SO THAT'S ANOTHER TAX OF ROUGHLY 33%. THEN IF YOU ADD THE 7.65%
SOCIAL SECURITY TAX ON TO PEOPLE AND A STATE INCOME TAX OF SAY
6%, YOU GET UP TO A PLACE OF A 74% TO 80% COMBINED TAX LOAD ON
A WORKING SENIOR CITIZEN. IF THEY HAVE ANY EXPENSES OF GOING TO
AND FROM WORK OR WARDROBE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH WORK IT
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COULD WELL BE THE SENIOR CITIZEN LOSES MONEY BECAUSE THE
GOVERNMENT IS SO AGGRESSIVE IN REDUCING THEIR ABILITY TO EARN
BY DEDUCTING FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK AS A RESULT OF THIS
PERNICIOUS DISCRIMINATORY TEST CALLED THE EARNINGS TEST. THIS
IS SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO ADDRESS AND I AM DELIGHTED THAT THE
HOUSE HAS DONE SO AND THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SIGNALED HIS
AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE HOUSE HAS DONE. I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
THIS SINCE I CAME TO THE SENATE IN 1995. I VOTE TODAY
SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE LIMIT IN 1997. I CALLED FOR THE
ELIMINATION OF THE TEST AND COONSORED LEGISLATION THAT WOULD
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GET RID OF THE TEST. THIS YEAR I HAVE INTRODUCED LEGISLATION
THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE TEST. MY BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION HAS 43
COSPONSORS, INCLUDING THE ENTIRE MAJORITY LEADERSHIP. THERE ARE
A NUMBER OF OTHERS, ORGANIZATIONS AND ALL, INCLUDING THE GREEN
THUMB, 60 PLUS, SENIOR COALITION, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOME
BUILDERS. TAXPAYERS UNION, U.S. AIR FORCE SERGEANT'S SOKESZE,
AND A LIST OF OTHERS THAT ENDORSE THIS CONCEPT. THE POINT IS
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES RECOGNIZED THE VALUE OF THIS
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CONCEPT, UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TODAY END THE EARNS LIMIT, THE
PRESIDENT INDICATED HE WOULD SIGN CLEAN LEGISLATION
UNENCUMBERED BY EXTRANEOUS AMENDMENTS, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE
SHOULD KNOLL THE LEAD OF THE HOUSE HERE AND DO WHAT THE
PRESIDENT IS ASKING US TO DO TO DELIVER THIS MEASURE WHICH
WOULD ELIMINATE THE EARNINGS TEST. IT IS SOMETHING I HAVE
WITHIN WORKING ON NOW FOR YEARS. S ---- --I HAVE HAVE BEEN
WORKING ON THIS NOW FOR YEARS. I BELIEVE WITH THE PRESIDENT
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PREPARED TO SIGN IT THE SENATE NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD AND
ELIMINATE THIS OUT-OF-DATE AND COSTLY IMPEDIMENT, THIS
DISCRIMINATION, THIS VERY, VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR OUR
SENIORS, WHICH ALSO RESULTS IN OUR CULTURE NOT HAVING THE
BENEFIT AND VALUE OF THE BEST EFFORT OF MANY OF OUR VERY BEST
WORKERS. WITH THAT IN MIND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DEBATE LATER
TODAY, AND I AM PLEASED TO HAVE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS
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THIS ISSUE. MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR. MR. LEAHY: MR.
PRESIDENT?
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VERMONT.
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MR. LEAHY: MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT IS THE PARLIAMENTARY SITUATION?
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATE IS NOW IN A PERIOD OF MORNING
BUSINESS.
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MR. LEAHY: MR. PRESIDENT, I WILL SPEAK ON A MATTER INVOLVING
THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CONFERENCE --
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR IS RECOGNIZED.
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MR. LEAHY: I WILL SPEAK ON A MATTER OF THE JUVENILE JUSTICE
CONFERENCE OR PERHAPS MORE ACCURATELY I SHOULD SAY THE LACK OF
A CONFERENCE ON THE JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL. IT IS A MATTER THAT
CONCERNS ME GREATLY BECAUSE I WAS A FLOOR LEADER ON THIS SIDE,
THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM UTAH THE FLOOR LEADER ON THE
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OTHER SIDE, WHEN WE HAD OVER A WEEK OF DEBATE ON THE JUVENILE
JUSTICE BILL. WE HAD THE DEBATE, A VERY SOLID DEBATE. WE THEN
PASSED A BILL WITH 73 VOTES HERE IN THE SENATE. IT WENT TO
CONFERENCE AND IT IS LIKE GOING INTO THE BETTER MU DA TRIANGLE.
WE VICE PRESIDENT -- FIKEZE INTO THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE. WE
HAVEN'T SEEN IT SINCE. WE HAVE KEPT THE COUNTRY WAITING TOO
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LONG ON THIS LEGISLATION AND WAITING TOO LONG ON GUN SAFETY
LAWS. WE ARE FAST APPROACHING THE FIRST YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE
SHOOTING AT COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL IN LITTLETON, COLORADO. IT
HAS BEEN 11 MONTHS SINCE 14 STUDENTS AND A TEACHER LOST THEIR
LIVES IN THAT TRAGEDY ON APRIL 20, 1999. APRIL 20 OF 1999. IT
HAS BEEN TEN MONTHS SINCE THE SENATE PASSED THE HATCH-
HATCH-LEAHY JUVENILE JUST BILL. AS I SAID BEFORE IT WAS AN
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OVERWHELMING VOTE, 73-25. OUR BIPARTISAN BILL INCLUDES MODEST,
BUT I BELIEVE EFFECTIVE GUN PROVISIONS. IT HAS BEEN NINE MONTHS
SINCE THE HOUSE PASSED ITS OWN JUVENILE CRIME BILL ON JUNE 17,
1999. THEN LEADERSHIP IN THE CONGRESS DELAYED ACTION ON CALLING
A CONFERENCE ALL SUMMER. IT HAS BEEN EIGHT MONTHS SINCE THE
HOUSE AND SENATE JUVENILE JUSTICE CONFERENCE MET FOR THE FIRST
AND ONLY TIME. REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE CONGRESS CONVENED THE
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CONFERENCE ON AUGUST 5, 1999. THEY DID THAT LESS THAN 24 HOURS
BEFORE THE CONGRESS ADJOURNED FOR A MONTH'S VACATION. NOW YOU
DON'T HAVE TO BE A CYNIC TO RECOGNIZE THIS FOR WHAT IT WAS. IT
WAS A TRANSPARENT EMPLOY TO DEFLECT CRITICISM FOR ----
--TRANSPARENT PLOY TO TEA E. DEFREQUENT CRITICISM. BUT IT ALSO
KEPT THEM FROM HAVING JUVENILE JUSTICE LEGISLATION TO SEND TO
THE PRESIDENT BEFORE SCHOOL BEGAN IN SEPTEMBER. BUT WE DID HAVE
TIME FOR THE SCHOOL TO DO IT BEFORE THE SCHOOL WENT BACK IN
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JANUARY. BUT WE DIDN'T DO THAT. NOW I WONDER IF WE WILL EVER DO
IT. HOUSE AND SENATE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR MONTHS TO
RECONVENE THE JUVENILE JUSTICE CONFERENCE. WE HAVE TOLD THE
REPUBLICANS WE WOULD MEET WITH THEM ON A MINUTE'S NOTICE. WE
WANT TO WORK WITH THE REPUBLICANS TO CRAFT AND EFFECTIVE
JUVENILE JUSTICE CONFERENCE REPORT THAT INCLUDES REASONABLE GUN
SAFETY PROVISIONS. BUT, EVEN THOUGH THE UNITED STATES SENATE
PASSED THIS LEGISLATION BY A THREE-ONE MAJORITY, NO CONFERENCE.
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THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP HAS DECIDED NOT TO ACT. I THINK THIS
IS PARTICULARLY SHAMEFUL BECAUSE THE CONGRESS HAS SPENT MORE
TIME IN RECESS THAN IN SESSION DURING THE LAST MEETING OF THIS
CONFERENCE. THINK ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE BEEN OFF ON VACATION MORE
TIME THAN WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN HERE WORKING SINCE WE HAD THAT
LAST CONFERENCE. TAKE A COUPLE DAYS OFF ONE OF THESE RECESSES
AND HAVE A CONFERENCE. TWO WEEKS AGO THE PRESIDENT INVITED
HOUSE AND SENATE MEMBERS OF THE CONFERENCE TO THE WHITE HOUSE,
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BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. HE URGED US TO PROCEED TO THE
CONFERENCE AND TO HAVE FINAL ENACTMENT OF LEGISLATION BEFORE
THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE COLUMBINE TRAGEDY. UNFORTUNATELY, THE
REPUBLICAN MAJORITY HAS REJECTED THE PRESIDENT PLEAS FOR
ACTION. BUT I THINK MORE THAN REJECTING THE PRESIDENT'S PLEA
FOR ACTION, THEY HAVE REJECTED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S PLEEP. ON
APRIL 22, LAST YEAR, BARELY TWO DAYS AFTER THE TRAGIC KILLINGS
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AT COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL, I CAME TO THE SENATE TO URGE ACTION.
I PRAISED THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER, I PRAISED SENATOR KENNEDY AND
OTHERS FOR THEIR THOUGHTFUL SPEECHES ON THIS MATTER AND
REACHING OUT TO THE FAMILIES THAT WEEK. I URGED THE SENATE A
YEAR AGO TO DEDICATE ITSELF TO ASSISTING PARENTS, TEACHER,
POLICE AND OTHERS TO STEM SCHOOL VIOLENCE. AND I SUGGESTED THAT
S. 9 THE SAFE SCHOOLS SAFE STREETS AND SAFE BORDERS ACT OF 1999
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PROVIDE A GOOD PLACE TO START. RESPONDING TO OUR EFFORTS TO
TURN THE SENATE'S ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEMS OF SCHOOL VIOLENCE,
ON APRIL 27 THE REPUBLICAN LEADER CAME TO THE FLOOR AND SAID
THAT IF WE WITHHELD FOR TWO WEEKS HE COULD PROVIDE A
LEGISLATIVE VEHICLE THAT -- QUOTE -- "WE COULD TAKE UP, THE
SENATE WEDNESDAY E. WOULD THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEBATE,
HAVE AMENDMENTS, AND HAVE VOTES." THEN SENATOR LOTT RETURNED TO
THE FLOOR THE FOLLOWINDAY TO REPEAT HIS COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE
THE SENATE WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE AND VOTE ON THOSE
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ISSUES DEALING WITH SCHOOL VIOLENCE. AND TO SENATOR LOTT'S
CREDIT, HE PROCEED TODAY S. 254 THE JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL,
WHICH WAS THEN PENDING ON THE SENATE CALENDAR, AND HE DID THAT
ON MAY 11. WE THEN HAD TWO WEEKS OF A REAL DEBATE. ONE OF THE
FEW WE HAVE HAD RECENTLY. AND THE SENATE WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH
THIS BILL. THE HATCH-LEAHY JUVENILE JUSTICE LEGISLATION THAT
PASSED THE SENATE ON MAY 20, PASSED WITH A STRONG BIPARTISAN
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MAJORITY, AND 73 VOTES, BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS VOTED
FOR IT. NOW, NO ONE SHOULD FORGET THAT IT WAS A REPUBLICAN
MAJORITY THAT DECIDED TO MAKE THE JUVENILE JUSTICE LEGISLATION
THE VEHICLE FOR THE
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