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RESTRICT THE ABILITY TO FILL VACANT POSITIONS TEMPORARILY AND
TO CONDUCT THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
IMPEDING THE NOMINATIONS PROCESS AND CONFIRMING NOMINEES AT A
SNAIL'S PACE. THE SENATE BEARS PARTIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
TIME IT TAKES TO NOMINATE OFFICIALS FOR SENATE-CONFIRMED
POSITIONS. THIS CONGRESS HAS SUBJECTED THE ADMINISTRATION'S
NOMINEES TO UNPRECEDENTED SCRUTINY, USING ALMOST ANY PRIOR
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ALLEGED INDISCRETION NO MATTER HOW TRIVIAL BY A NOMINEE AS AN
EXCUSE TO DELAY OR PREVENT A VOTE. SENATORS HAVE ALSO
INTERJECTED THEMSELVES INTO THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINATIONS PROCESS
TO AN UNPARALLELED DEGREE. AS A RESULT, THAT FRONT-END PROCESS
-- THE SELECTION, RECRUITMENT AND VENTING OF CANDIDATES --
TAKES LONGER THAN EVER BEFORE. THE NOMINATION AND CONFIRMATION
PROCESS, IT'S BEEN OBSERVED, IS ONE OF -- QUOTE -- "THE
PRESIDENT PROPOSING, THE SENATE DISPOSING." IF THE SENATE
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EXPECTS ADHERINGS TO THE RIGID PARAMETERS THIS BILL WOULD
IMPOSE ON ADVANCING CANDIDATES, WE AS SENATE MEMBERS NEED TO BE
READY AND WILLING TO DILIGENTLY CONSIDER THESE CANDIDATES FOR
PUBLIC OFFICE AND TO TAKE PROMPT AND DELIBERATE ACTION TO
CONFIRM OR REJECT THEM. THE SENATE HAS FREQUENTLY DECLINED TO
EXERCISE ITS ADVICE AND CONSENT RESPONSIBILITY IN A TIMELY AND
APPROPRIATE MANNER. TOO OFTEN, NOMINATIONS DIE IN COMMITTEE,
LANGUISH INTERMINABLY ON THE EXECUTIVE CALENDAR, OR SIMPLY TAKE
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MONTHS OR YEARS TO MOVE THROUGH THIS CHAMBER. JUST AS THE
PRESIDENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO
FORWARD NOMINEES TO THE SENATE IN A TIMELY FASHION, WE IN THE
SENATE HAVE A CONCOMITANT OBLIGATION TO DISCHARGE OUR
CONSTITUTIONAL PREROGATIVE OF ADVICE AND CONSENT ON THOSE
CANDIDATES IN A FAIR, EFFICIENT AND EXPEDITIOUS FASHION. HE WE
SIMPLY CANNOT CONFRONT PRACTICAL DEFICIENCIES IN THE FRONT-END
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PHASE OF THE PROCESS FOR EVALUATING QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND
IGNORE THE SENATE'S OWN RESPONSIBILITIES. WE OWE IT NOT ONLY TO
THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH BUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO OFFER, NOT
WITHHOLD, OUR ADVICE AND, WHERE APPROPRIATE, OUR CONSENT. I
HAVE FILED AND CERTAINLY HOPE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER
SOME RELEVANT AMENDMENTS DESIED TO ADDRESS THOSE INSTANCES OF
DILATORY SENATE COMMITTEE PROCESSING AND FLOOR INACTION ONCE A
NOMINEE IS ADVANCED TO THE CALENDAR. ONE OF MY AMENDMENTS WOULD
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PROVIDE ANY NOMINATION SUBMITTED TO THE SENATE THAT IS 1
PENDING BEFORE A SENATE COMMITTEE FOR 150 CALENDAR DAYS SHALL,
ON THE DAY FOLLOWING SUCH 150TH DAY, BE DISCHARGED, PLACED ON
THE SENATE EXECUTIVE CALENDAR AND CONSIDERED AS FAVORABLY
REPORTED. ANOTHER AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE THE SENATE TO TAKE UP
FOR VOTE ANY NOMINATION WHICH HAS BEEN PENDING ON THE EXECUTIVE
CALENDAR IN EXCESS OF 150 DAYS. 150-DAY STANDARD IS ESTABLISHED
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BY THIS BILL, IMPOSED ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. FRANKLY, I
BELIEVE THAT STANDARD SHOULD BE IMPOSED AS WELL ON THE SENATE.
SUCH SENATE CONSIDERATION MUST OCCUR WITHIN FIVE CALENDAR DAYS
OF THAT 150TH DAY. IN EFFECT, IT CREATES AN END POINT AFTER
WHICH WE CAN NO LONGER HOLD UP A NOMINEE. I'M NOT SUGGESTING
THAT WE WOULD GIVE OUR CONSENT TO ALL THESE NOMINEES. I'M
CONSENTING -- I'M BASICALLY SAYING THAT THIS PROCESS SHOULD
COME TO A CLOSE CLOSE, THE SENATE SHOULD VOTE, IT SHOULD MAKE
ITS DECISION. IF WE WANT TO REASONABLY TIME LIMIT THE FRONT END
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OF THE PROCESS -- THE PRESIDENT -- WITH WHICH I DO NOT
DISAGREE, AND PROMPTLY FILL VACANCIES, WE NEED TO BE EQUALLY
WILLING TO BUILD SOME FINALITY IN THE BA END OF THE PROCESS,
WHERE THE SENATE MUST DO ITS WORK, AND IMPOSE SOME TIME LIMITS
ON OUR OWN CONSIDERATION OF THESE CANDIDATES. THE FIRST PROBLEM
I FIND WITH THIS BILL IS THAT FILLING POSITIONS IN THE
GOVERNMENT REQUIRES TIME FAR LONGER THAN THAT SPECIFIED IN THIS
BILL. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT WHICH SUGGESTS INCREASING THE 150-DAY
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PERIOD TO 210 DAYS. I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE WONDERING IF THEY'RE
FOLLOWING THIS DEBATE WHY IT WOULD TAKE SO LONG FOR ANY KIND OF
PROCESS TO REVIEW A NOMINEE. WELL, AS IT TURNS OUT, THE AVERAGE
NUMBER OF DAYS THAT A VACANCY EXISTS PRIOR TO A SENATE
NOMINATION BEFORE THE WHITE HOUSE IS 313 DAYS. WHAT COULD
POSSIBLY TAKE 313 DAYS IN INVESTIGATING THE QUALIFICATIONS OF
AN INDIVIDUAL TO FILL THE JOB?
WELL, CONSIDER ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE
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INVESTIGATED. NOT ONLY THE LENGTHY FORMS THE INDIVIDUAL MUST
FILL OUT -- ETHICS DISCLOSURES, FINANCIAL STATEMENTS,
FINGERPRINTS AND THE LIKE -- BUT ALSO AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION,
A FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION REPORT ON THAT PERSON, THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR GROUPS TO COME TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO SAY THEY
EITHER OPPOSE OR SUPPORT THE INDIVIDUAL, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
MEMBERS OF GROSS COME FORWARD AND SUGGEST TO THE ADMINISTRATION
-- CONGRESS TO COME FORWARD TO SUGGEST TO THE ADMINISTRATION
THAT THEY EITHER SUPPORT THAT NOMINEE OR THEY OPPOSE IT. AND AS
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IT TURNS OUT, SOME OF THESE THINGS, SUCH AS AN F.B.I. REPORT,
MAY NOT HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS SOME PEOPLE IMAGINE. WE HAVE
HEAPED ON THAT AGENCY ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES EVERY YEAR.
WE ENTRUST THEM WITH VERY IMPORTANT JOBS. WE TELL THEM THAT WE
WANT THEM TO FINGERPRINT AND MAKE CERTAIN THAT THOSE WHO WANT
TO BE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES IN FACT HAVE NO CRIMINAL
RECORD IN ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY. THAT'S A VALID QUESTION. BUT
IT'S AN ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY. THE LIST GOES
ON AND ON AND ON ON. AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, WHEN THE
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ADMINISTRATION COMES TO THIS AGENCY -- AND IT'S ONLY ONE
EXAMPLE -- AND ASKS FOR A TIMELY REVIEW OF AN INDIVIDUAL
NOMINATED FOR A POSITION, THEY SOMETIMES HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE
LINE. AND WHILE THEY WAIT, THE CLOCK IS TICKING. AND CONSIDER
THIS AS WELL -- AS A RESULT OF THIS LEGISLATION SAYING THE
ADMINISTRATION SHALL ONLY HAVE 150 DAYS, WHAT IF IN THE MIDST
OF THIS PROCESS PROCESS, WHAT IF, SAY, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS INTO
IT -- FOUR MONTHS, FOR EXAMPLE, INTO THE PROCESS, THE
ADMINISTRATION REACHES A CONCLUSION THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SHOULD
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NOT GO FORWARD, HIS NOMINATION SHOULD NOT BE SENT TO THE
SENATE, DOES THE CLOCK START TO RUN AGAIN?
NO. THE CLOCK CONTINUES TO RUN. 150 DAYS. SO THE NEW NOMINEE,
STARTING OV, GOING THROUGH ALL THESE PROCESSES, TRYING TO CLEAR
ALL THESE HURDLES IS STILL BURDENED BY THE ORIGINAL CLOCK
TICKING AT 150 DAYS. I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC. I DON'T
THINK IT'S FAIR. MERELY BY ADDING 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS TO THE
CURRENT 120-DAY TIME FRAME WITHIN WHICH AN ACTING OFFICIAL MAY
TEMPORARILY PERFORM THE DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS OF A VACANT
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OFFICE, UNLESS THE PRESIDENT HAS FORWARDED I A NOMINEE TO THE
SENATE WITHIN THAT SPAN, IS IM IMPRACTICAL, IT'S UNREALISTIC
AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ADEQUATE.
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MR. BYRD: MR. PRESIDENT, WILL THE SENATOR YIELD?
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MR. DURBIN: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO YIELD.
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MR. BYRD: HE HAS SUGGESTED AN AMENDMENT, MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT
AS FAR AS I'M PERSONALLY CONCERNED, I COULD ACCEPT. WHY NOT LET
US INVOKE CLOTURE. THAT AMENDMENT IS CERTAINLY A GERMANE
AMENDMENT. AND HAVE THE SENATOR PUT IT UP FOR ACTION BY THE
SENATE. I'M ONE WHO WOULD VOTE FOR IT.
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MR. DURBIN: WELL, I THANK THE SENATOR FROM WEST VIRGINIA AND I
CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. BUT WE ARE TOLD BY THE
SENATE PARLIAMENTARIAN THAT THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE RELEVANT BUT
NOT GERMANE AND, THEREFORE, ANY ACTION FOR CLOTURE WHICH WOULD
PUT A BURDEN ON THE SENATE TO ACT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF
TIME ON NOMINEES THAT ARE SENT WOULD BE WIPED AWAY OR COULD BE
WIPED AWAY BY THE CLOTURE MOTION.
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MR. BYRD: MADAM PRESIDENT, WOULD THE SENATOR YIELD FURTHER?
I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD THE SENATOR. I THOUGHT THAT THE
SENATOR WAS SUGGESTING THAT 150 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH AND THAT HE
WOULD LIKE TO SEE 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS DAYS. THAT WOULD CERTAINLY
BE -- SEEM TO BE GERMANE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
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MR. DURBIN: IF THE SENATOR WOULD ALLOW ME TO RESPOND, THAT
AMENDMENT IS GERMANE. AND THE ONLY OTHER AMENDMENTS WHICH WOULD
IMPOSE A RESPONSIBILITY ON SENATE TO MOVE A NOMINEE OUT OF
COMMITTEE WITHIN 150 DAYS AFTER IT'S SENT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
OR TO MOVE IT OFF THE EXECUTIVE CALENDAR FOA VOTE WITHIN 150
DAYS I'M TOLD BY THE SENATE PARLIAMENTARIAN MAY NOT BE ALLOWED
IF CLOTURE IS IS INVOKED.
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MR. BYRD: WELL, YES, I EXPECT THE PARLIAMENTARIAN IS RIGHT ON
THAT. I WOULDN'T ARGUE WITH THAT. NOR WOULD I PROBABLY SUPPORT
IT IT. IF THE SENATOR WOULD ALLOW ME, THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T
SAY THAT THE SENATE HAS TO CONFIRM THE NOMINEES. IT SIMPLE SAYS
THAT THE PRESIDENT CANNOT HAVE THE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND
POWER HIMSELF TO NAME PEOPLE TO IMPORTANT POSITIONS. THIS IS A
MATTER THAT HAS TO BE SHARED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION BETWEEN THE
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PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE. AND THIS CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION IS
WHAT I'M BEING -- TRYING TO PROTECT TODAY. IT'S BEING GIVEN THE
RUNAROUND BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND SEVERAL OTHER
DEPARTMENTS, AND I WANT TO PROTECT THAT CONSTITUTIONAL POWER
THAT IS GIVEN TO THE SENATE. AS TO HOW -- WHETHER OR NOT THE
SENATE ACT, THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T REQUIRE THE SENATE TO ACT.
BUT I THINK THAT THE SENATE DOES ACT AND WOULD CONTINUE TO ACT
ON NOMINATIONS WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. HAVING BEEN
MAJORITY LEADER OF THE SENATE UPON THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, I
CAN SAY TO THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR THAT WHEN I WAS MAJORITY
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LEADER LEADER, WE HAD NOMINATIONS LEFT ON THE CALENDAR AT THE
END OF A CONGRESS IN ALL THREE OF THE CONGRESSES IN WHICH I
SERVED AS MAJORITY LEADER. WHEN WE ADJOURNED SIGNDIE -- SINE
DIE, THAT EXECUTIVE CALENDAR WAS NOT WIPED CLEAN. WE ALL DID
THE BEST WE COULD BUT WE DID LEAVE SOME NOMINATIONS ON THERE.
AND I CERTAINLY SHARE THE SENATOR'S FEELING THAT THE SENATE
OUGHT TO ACT, ACT EXPEDITIOUSLY, IN REASONABLE FASHION AND SO
ON. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO REQUIRING THE SENATE TO ACT ON ALL
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NOMINATIONS, I DON'T THINK THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES THAT. AND
I MIGHT HAVE TO PART COMPANY WITH THE SENATOR AT THAT POINT.
BUT SOME OF HIS OTHER SUGGESTIONS I THINK ARE ARE VERY
WELL-MADE.
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MR. DURBIN: I THANK THE SENATOR FROM WEST VIRGINIA. AND IT
PAINS ME TO BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION,
BUT THOSE THINGS DO OCCUR. AND I'M CERTAIN THAT THE SENATOR, AS
MAJORITY LEADER, DID HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. THERE'S
NEVER BEEN A DOUBT ABOUT THAT. AND ALSO ACTED WITH DISPATCH IN
A TIMELY MANNER. AND I THINK THE SENATOR MAKES A GOOD POINT. WE
NOT ONLY WANT TO PROTECT THE CLEAR CONSTITUTIONAL
RESPONSIBILITY AND RIGHT OF THE SENATE IN THIS PROCESS, WE WANT
TO BRING THE BEST MEN AND WOMEN FORWARD TO CONTINUE SERVING OUR
GOVERNMENT AND WE WANT IT ALL DONE IN A TIMELY FASHION. MY
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CONCERN WITH THIS BILL IS THAT IT ADDRESSES ONE SIDE OF THE
EQUATION. IT SAYS TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, YOU HAVE TO MOVE IN
A MORE TIMELY FASHION TO BRING THESE MEN AND WOMEN TO THE
SENATE FOR CONSIDERATION. IF WE ARE CLEARLY LOOKING FOR FILLING
VACANCIES IN A TIMELY FASHION, THAT IS ONLY HALF THE PROCESS.
ONCE THE NOMINATION IS BROUGHT TO THE SENATE, WE SHOULD MOVE IN
A TIMELY FASHION, TOO, OTHERWISE, USING THE OLD REFERENCE TO
EQUITY, WE DON'T COME TO THIS ARGUMENT WITH CLEAN HANDS. AND
THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME SYMMETRY HERE IN THE
REQUIREMENT OF THE EXECUTIVE AS WELL AS THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.
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MR. BYRD: WOULD THE SENATOR YIELD?
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MR. DURBIN: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO YIELD.
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MR. BYRD: AND I THANK HIM FOR YIELDING. THE SENATOR, AS I THINK
I UNDERSTAND, SUGGESTED THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH ONE
PART OF THE EQUATION -- NAMELY, THE NOMINATING PROCESS -- AND
PROTECT OURSELVES IN THAT REGARD, WE OUGHT TO BE EQUALLY
INTERESTED IN DEALING WITH THE OTHER HALF OF THE EQUATION,
WHICH REQUIRES THE ACTION BY THE SENATE TO CONFIRM OR REJECT
NOMINEES. MAY I, WITH GREAT RESPECT, SUGGEST -- AND I'M DOING
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THIS FOR THE RECORD. I'M SURE I'M NOT AHEAD OF THE SENATOR IN
THINKING THIS. I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS THE CONSTITUTIONAL SIDE OF
THE EQUATION AND STOP THE ADMINISTRATION -- NOT ONLY THIS
ADMINISTRATION BUT PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS -- FROM CONDUCTING
A RUNAROUND OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS OF THE SENATE. I'M
SUGGESTING WE DEAL WITH THAT CONSTITUTION SIDE OF THE EQUATION.
NOW, THE OTHER SIDE WITH WHICH THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR
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MENTIONS, IF HE WILL PARDON MY SAYING SO, I THINK WHAT HE'S
TALKING ABOUT IS THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THE EQUATION. THAT
PART'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONSTITUTION. THE CONSTITUTION
DOESN'T REQUIRE THE SENATE TO ACT ON ANY NOMINATION. BUT THAT'S
THE POLITICAL SIDE. I'D LIKE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL
SIDE, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS LEGISLATION. AND THEN WE
COULD DO THE BEST WE CAN IN DEALING WITH THE POLITICAL SIDE.
THE SENATOR IS QUITE RIGHT -- NEITHER SIDE COMES INTO THIS
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MATTER WITH PERFECTLY CLEAN HANDS. THAT'S AN OLD EQUITY AXIOM.
THEMISTCLES ONCE SAID TO ARISTIDES THAT A GOOD GENERAL SHOULD
BE ABLE TO FORESEE WHAT THE DEMANDS AND REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE
ON HIS TROOPS AND ARISTIDES SAID THAT IS QUITE RIGHT, I AGREE
WITH THERMISTICLES. BUT A GOOD GENERAL SHOULD ALSO COME IN --
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ALSO ARE HAVE CLEAN HANDS. THEMISTCLES WAS NOTED FOR NOT BEING
ABLE TO CONTROL HIS HANDS. I HAVE THAT PROBLEM. MINE IS A
BENIGN ESSENTIAL TRERM. I HAVE TROUBLCONTROLLING MY HANDS. BUT
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THEMISTICLES TROUBLE, BEING ABLE TO
CONTROL HIS HANDS. I THINK HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO PUT HIS HANDS
IN OTHER PEOPLE'S POCKETS PROBABLY. AND HE WAS VERY AVORICIOUS.
HE WANTED TO ACQUIRE ALL OF THE WEALTH THAT HE COULD. I CAN'T
ESPECIALLY BLAME HIM FOR THAT. BUT HE -- BUT ARISTIDES WAS
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REMINDING THEMISTICLES THAT A GOOD GENERAL SHOULD ALSO BE
HONEST, FORTHRIGHT AND, THEREFORE, COME WITH CLEAN HANDS. AND
SO WE DO FAIL IN THAT REGARD, AS I SAID IN MY STATEMENT. WE DO
FALL SHORT OF COMING IN WITH CLEAN HANDS. WE DON'T COME FORWARD
AND ACT
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