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TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL OF-- --TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL. AGAIN,
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SENATORS HAVE ADDRESSED THE SECURITY
COUNCIL, I KNOW HE PRECEDED ME. AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANYONE
ELSE IN MY MEMORY THAT'S DONE THAT. AND HE WENT TO THE UNITED
NATIONS AND IN HIS TYPICAL SOUTHERN GENTLEMANLY FASHION WAS
BLUNTLY FORTHRIGHT ABOUT WHAT HIS OBJECTIVES WERE. I REMEMBER
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AT THE TIME READING IN THE PRESS SOME FAIRLY HARSH CRITICISM OF
HIS GENERAL TALLMANLY ASSERTIONS, ASSERTIONS MADE IN A GENERAL
TALLMANLY MANNER AND IN NEW YORK. AGAIN, ALMOST EVERYONE WAS
WRONG BECAUSE THEY PARTICIPATED WHAT THE RESPONSE WOULD BE OF
FURTHER FREEZING RATHER THAN THAT YOUING OF THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND THE OWE -- AND THE U.N. AND A
TEVENDS SI OF THOSE IN THE U.N. WHICH WAS A VAST MAJORITY WHO
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THOUGHT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT THIS WAY OF HUNKERING DOWN
AND DENYING US ULTIMATELY THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN THE UNITED
NATIONS BECAUSE OF "NOT PAYING OUR DUES." WELL, AS USUAL, MY
COLLEAGUE, ALTHOUGH WE ARRIVED AT THE SAME YEAR, HE ARRIVED
WITH MORE WISDOM THAN I DID. MY COLLEAGUE ONCE AGAIN
DEMONSTRATED THAT HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING. A VERY CLOSE
FRIEND OF HIS AND A MAN WHO ACTUALLY IS A FORMER DEMOCRATIC
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STATE SENATOR I'M TOLD -- AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME --
WORKED WITH SENATOR HELMS IN YEARS GONE BY. HIS CONTEMPORARY
WAS THE PUBLIC DELEGATE TO THE UNITED NATIONS. I WILL NEVER --
FROM NORTH CAROLINA. I'LL NEVER FORGET AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE
EVER ANTICIPATED THEY WOULD SEE A DINNER IN NEW YORK ORGANIZED
BY OUR AMBASSADOR TO HONOR SENATOR HELMS WHERE IF I'M NOT
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MISTAKEN, ORIGINALLY SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF 100 INVITATIONS
WERE SENT OUT, BUT SO MANY DELEGATES, SO MANY AMBASSADORS
WISHED TO COME, I DON'T WANT TO GUESS THE NUMBER BUT IT WAS
CLOSE TO 140, I THINK, OF THE 180 SOME NATIONS THAT SHOWED UP
IN A LARGE BALLROOM OF A LARGE HOTEL IN NEW YORK CITY TO HONOR
THE MAN EVERYONE THOUGHT IN THE PRESS AND OTHER PLACES THEY
WOULD HAVE WANTED TO VILIFY. AND I NEVER THOUGHT I'D LIVE TO
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SEE THE DAY WHEN I SAW SENATOR JESSE HELMS, HENRY KISSINGER,
HOLBROOKE, AND MR. BELK, THE PUBLIC DELEGATE FROM NORTH
CAROLINA AND THE U.N. BRASS HAVING THEIR PICTURE TAKEN IN THE
MIDDLE OF THAT BALLROOM WEARING BLEW U.N. CAPS -- WEARING BLUE
U.N. CAPS. NOW, THAT WAS A BIT OF AN EPIPHANY FOR ME. I WAS
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SITTING AT THE TABLE WITH THE GERMAN AMBASSADOR. AT MY TIME
THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL
SITTING THERE. I WAS AMAZED TO WATCH WHAT HAPPENED. EVERYONE
LOOKED AT IT SOMEWHAT BEMUSED AND AMUSED BUT THEN I NOTICED ALL
THESE VERY DIGNIFIED DIPLOMATS AMONG THE HIGHEST RANKING
PERSONS IN THE GOVERNMENTS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES LINING
UP VERY TACTFULLY AS IF THEY REALLY WEREN'T WANTING A PICTURE
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TO HAVE THEIR PICTURE TAKEN WITH SENATOR JESSE HELMS. NOW, I
DON'T KNOW IF SENATOR HELMS EVER EXPECTED THAT. I DON'T THINK
HE DID KNOWING HIM. BUT I CITE IT NOT TO BE HUMOROUS, NOT TO
TELL YOU ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SORT OF AN INTERESTING
THING THAT HAPPENED BUT TO POINT OUT THAT BECAUSE OF SENATOR
HELMS, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE 28 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, THERE
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IS A GENUINE SENSE OF WARMTH, THERE IS A DIFFERENT DEGREE OF
TRUST, THERE IS A GREATER OPENNESS THAT HAS OCCURRED AS A
CONSEQUENCE ON HIS INSISTENCE IN SAVING THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS
MONEY. I RELUCTANTLY WENT ALONG WITH THE CONDITIONS, AS MY
FRIEND FROM NORTH CAROLINA KNOWS. I HAVE NO DOUBT THE REFORMS
WERE NEEDED. I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE AGREED ON OUR BACKDUES,
AND I AGREE WITH HIM ON THE NUMBER, PAY THE BACKDUES, AND THEN
-- AND THEN PROSPECTIVELY INSIST ON CONDITIONS IN THE FUTURE.
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IT WAS A DISTINCTION WITH SOME DIFFERENCE, BUT, BUT I WANT TO
REMIND EVERYONE -- AND WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE COME TO THE FLOOR, I
EXPECT, AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. I
WOULD POINT OUT TO THEM WHEN WE WERE DEBATING THIS AND I ASKED
MY FRIEND FROM NORTH CAROLINA TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I
DON'T REMEMBER ANYBODY ELSE WHO SUPPORTED THE U.N. WERE ABLE TO
GARNER ONE SINGLE PENNY IN BACKDEUCE. I REMEMBER SAYING A VERY
SIGNIFICANT FORMER MEMBER OF THE HOUSE WHO WAS UPSET WITH THE
HELMS-BIDEN APPROACH. I SAID I'LL WITHHOLD PUSHING THIS. I'LL
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GIVE YOU A WEEK. IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO ME AND TELL ME YOU'RE
ABLE TO RAISE ONE SINGLE CENT IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TO PAY THE BACKDUES, I'LL WITHDRAW. I'LL WITHDRAW. THE POINT
WAS EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT THE PURE IF I -- THE PURITY OF WE
SHOULD DO IT THE RIGHT WAY WHICH LEAVES -- LEADS ME TO MY
SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE. I'VE SERVED WITH MY FRIEND TOO
LONG NOT TO UNDERSTAND HE HAS A VERY HEALTHY SKEPT TIFM OF
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INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. NOT A HOSTILE, A SKEMTISM. I'VE
SERVED WITH HIM TOO LONG NOT TO KNOW THAT HE HAS A SKEPTICISM
FOR INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS MADE WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE
HISTORIES OF NOT KEEPING INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS. I SERVED
WITH HIM TOO LONG TO UNDERESTIMATE HIS ABILITY TO KNOW HOW TO
GET THINGS DONE. HE KNEW BETTER THAN MOST OF US THAT EVEN IF HE
THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE NO CONDITIONS, WHICH HE THOUGHT THERE
SHOULD BE, THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANYTHING DONE HERE.
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YOU HAD TO BRING ALONG A STPHRANT PORTION OF THE HOUSE AND A
SIGNIFICANT MINORITY OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE WHO DIDN'T
EVEN WANT TO PAY THE BACKDEUCE, DIDN'T WANT TO PAY ANYTHING,
CONDITIONS OR NOT. SO AS AN OLD SAW GOES OVER THE LAST 30
YEARS, JUST AS NIXON CAN GO TO CHINA, ONLY HELMS CAN FIX THE
U.N. THAT'S TRUE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY TRUE. FOR IF
MY FRIEND HAD NOT -- AND I'M SURE HE'S TAKEN SOME HEAT FROM HIS
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HISTORICALLY LOYAL AND TRADITIONAL FRIENDS ON THE SENATE RIGHT
FOR EVEN DOING THIS. I HAVE FOR DOUBT HE'S TAKEN SOME HEAT. BUT
AS USUAL, A MAN WHO STICKS TO HIS PRINCIPLES, HE TOOK THE HEAT,
BUT IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SO, HE QUITE FRANKLY REPEDERED THE
ARGUMENT AGAINST US PARTICIPATING -- RENDERED THE ARGUMENT
AGAINST US PARTICIPATING IN THE PROPER U.N., RENDERING IT --
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HOW CAN I SAY IT -- NOT NULL AND VOID. RENDERED IT -- LET ME
PUT IT THIS WAY. PUT IT IN A POSITION WHERE IT HAD NO
CREDIBILITY FOR HOW COULD ANYONE CHALLENGE ON THE SENATE RIGHT
THE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA. NOBODY DOUBTS HIS CONVICTIONS
OF PRINCIPLES. HE'S TOO DARN CONSERVATIVE FOR ME. I LOVE HIM,
BUT HE'S TOO DARN CONSERVATIVE FOR ME. ABOUT YOU IF JOE BIDEN
HAD COME ALONG AND DONE THIS, IF TRENT LOTT, THE LEADER OF THE
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REPUBLICAN PARTY CAME ALONG AND DID THIS, IF OTHER RESPECTED
MEMBERS DID THIS AND IT HAD BEEN LOTT-BIDEN, IT HAD BEEN
ANYBODY ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE-BIDEN AND NOT HELMS, THIS WOULD
NOT HAVE GOTTEN DONE. AND SO I WANT TO PAY TRIBUTE NOT ONLY TO
THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES HE'S WROUGHT BUT PAY TRIBUTE TO HIS
TACTICAL GENIUS IN HOW TO GET IT DONE. BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT
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HAVE GOTTEN DONE. AND WE WOULD BE STANDING HERE TODAY IN
SEMICRISIS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE STAY IN THE U.N., WHETHER OR
NOT OUR VOTE HAD BEEN TAKEN FROM US, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS ANY
LONGER RELEVANT. WE WOULD HAVE HAD SOME BITTER IDEOLOGICAL
DEBATES ON THIS FLOOR HAD HE NOT GOTTEN US TO THIS PLACE. AND I
FOR ONE THINK THE UNITED NATIONS AND THE INCREDIBLY VALUABLE
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INSTITUTION, THAT ON BALANCE OVERWHELMINGLY, OVERWHELMINGLY
BENEFITS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BUT I SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, DON'T
DO WHAT NONE OF US WHO HAVE SERVED WITH SENATOR HELMS FOR SOME
TIME NEVER DO. DON'T UNDERESTIMATE WHAT THIS FELLOW DID AND
DOES AND HOW KNOWLEDGEABLE HE IS ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING DONE.
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I'M JUST GLAD WE ARE NOT ONLY ON THE SAME HYMNAL ON THIS ONE
BUT ON THE SAME PAGE ON THIS ONE. SO I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK
HIM. HE DID MORE THAN SAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS $170 MILLION
AND MORE TO COME. HE DID MORE THAN SET AN ATMOSPHERE AND TONE
WHERE NOW IN THE UNITED NATIONS BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID, THERE
IS OPEN DISCUSSION AND DEBATE AMONG THE MEMBERS NOT INCLUDING
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US ABOUT THE NEED TO REFORM. HE WAS SORT OF THE FELLOW WHO CAME
ALONG AND SAID, HEY, BUT THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES. EVERYBODY
IS SITTING THERE KNEW THE EMPEROR HAD NO CLOTHES ON BUT UNTIL
SENATOR HELMS SAID, NO CLOTHES, UNTIL HE STARTS TO GET DRESSED,
I'M NOT PLAYING. NOW I ASK A RHETORICAL QUESTION. DID MY FRIEND
EVER THINK HE'D HEAR A DEBATE WITH EVERYONE FROM THE CHINESE
AMBASSADOR TO THE GERMAN AMBASSADOR TO THE FRENCH AMBASSADOR
TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR FURTHER REFORM AND GOING BACK TO
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THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND SAYING WE'VE REFORMED?
WE'RE SAVING OUR -- THEIR TAXPAYERS MONEY AS WELL. AND SO
THAT'S A BIG DEAL. BUT THE BIGGER DEAL IN MY VIEW IS THERE IS A
NEW SENSE OF LEGITIMACY AND VITALITY IN THIS CHAMBER, IN THIS
GOVERNMENT, IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE UNITED NATIONS. AND I'M NOT
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POLYANISH ABOUT THIS. I DON'T THINK THE UNITED NATIONS IS A
ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT LEADING TO NERVAN NERVANDO. FARTHER FROM
WHAT IT IS. BUT IT IS A PRACTICAL TOOL IN A NUMBER OF
CIRCUMSTANCES AND AN INCREASINGLY NECESSARY FORM FOR THE ONE
SUPER POWER IN THE WORLD TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HER VIEWS KNOWN AND
GARNER THE SUPPORT OF OR AT LEAST PIK THE CONSCIENCE OF THE
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REST OF THE WORLD SO WE'RE NOT CONSTANTLY PUT IN THE POSITION
OF THAT GREAT NATION IMPOSING HER VIEW ON ALL THE REST OF THE
WORLD. WHAT MOST OF OUR COLLEAGUES DON'T UNDERSTAND, WE
AMERICANS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE BEING THE SOLE SUPER POWER. I OFTEN
TELL OUR EUROPEAN FRIENDS WHICH I'M DEEPLY -- MY COLLEAGUE
KNOWS I'M DEEPLY INVOLVED AS HE IS WITH NATO AND EUROPE. I
OFTEN TELL THEM WHEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT US BEING THE ONLY
SUPER POWER, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. AMERICANS WEREN'T SEEKING TO
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SEEK THIS TITLE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE SUPER POWER. IF THERE
HAS TO BE ONE, IT WOULD BE US, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL. WE HAVE
NO -- WE HAVE NO COUNTRIES TO CONQUER. WE THIS NO DESIRE TO
IMPOSE OUR WILL. AMERICANS WOULD JUST AS SOON TEND TO THEIR
BUSINESS AND BE HOME. BUT THAT'S HOW WE'RE CAST TODAY. THAT'S
HOW WE'RE CAST, BY OUR FRIENDS AS WELL AS OUR FOES. AND I THINK
IN THAT CONTEXT, THE UNITED NATIONS TAKES ON DIFFERENT AND
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DYNAMIC ROLE POSSIBLY FOR OUR INTEREST. AND SO WHAT MY FRIEND
FROM NORTH CAROLINA DID IS MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. WHETHER IT MEETS
ITS EXPECTATIONS, WHETHER IT CONTINUES DOWN THE ROAD TO REFORM,
WHETHER IT DOES WHAT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DO REMAINS TO BE
SEEN. BUT WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THE POSITION TODAY, FEBRUARY
7, 2001, TALKING ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY WERE IT NOT FOR HIS
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INSISTENCE. AS I SAID, ONLY NIXON COULD GO TO CHINA. ONLY HELMS
COULD MAKE THE U.N. RELEVANT AT THE END OF THIS CENTURY AND THE
BEGINNING OF THE NEXT. AND I DON'T EVEN THINK HE -- I KNOW HE
UNDERSTANDS BUT KNOWING HOW HE IS, HE PROBABLY REFUSES TO
BELIEVE THAT THAT'S AS BIG A ROLE HE PLAYED. BUT IT LITERALLY
IS THAT BIG. THAT'S THE DEAL. THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO
CONSEQUENTIAL. THIS LEGISLATION BEFORE US IS IN A SENSE
INCONSEQUENTIAL. WE'RE CHANGING ONE WORD OR ONE NUMBER IN A
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PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE
GOOD-FAITH SERIOUS EFFORT TO HAVE EMBARKED UPON AND STAY
EMBARKED UPON MAKING AN INSTITUTION OF THE 20TH CENTURY
RELEVANT IN THE 21ST
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