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THEREFORE, HE HAS POTENTIALLY UNDERMINED NOT ONLY PUBLIC
CONFIDENCE IN THE INVESTIGATION BUT ALMOST ASSUREDLY THE
CONFIDENCE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HERSELF. MR. PRESIDENT, I
DON'T KNOW WHAT JANET RENO IS THINKING, BUT KENNETH STARR MADE
A FOOL OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES. AND HAVING
HER PROCEED WITH MR. STARR INVESTIGATING HIS OWN
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TRANSGRESSIONS. THIS MANEUVERING, HOWEVER, TO MANY IN THIS
INSTITUTION WILL NOT COME AS A PRINCIPAL SURPRISE. PROBLEMS
WITH INDEPENDENT COUNSEL HAVE BEEN COMING FOR SOME TIME AND,
INDEED, ALMOST INCREDIBLY, JUSTICE SCALIA PREDICTED IN HIS
DISSENT IN MORRIS V. OLSON EXACTLY WHAT HAS NOW OCCURRED. A
PROSECUTOR SO FOCUSED ON ONE SUSPECT UNDER THE LAWS OF THE
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INDEPENDENT COUNSEL WOULD, AND HE WROTE -- AND I QUOTE -- "WHAT
WOULD NORMALLY BE REGARDED AS A TECHNICAL VIOLATION MAY IN HIS
OR HER WORLD ASSUME THE PROPORTIONS OF AN INDICTABLE OFFENSE
OIFMT " -- OFFENSE." MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAS
OCCURRED. MR. STARR HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED FROM ONE WHO IS NO
LONGER AN OBJECTIVE PROSECUTOR INTO A PARTISAN POLITICAL ACTOR
WITHOUT OVERSIGHT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, CONTROL OF THE
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FEDERAL COURTS AND NO LONGER EVEN OPERATING WITHIN FEDERAL LAW.
MR. PRESIDENT, I CALL UPON MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME IN URGE
URGEING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO ONCE AGAIN ASSUME HER LAWFUL
RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE --
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR'S 15 MINUTES ARE CONCLUDED.
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MR. TORRICELLI: -- RECOGNIZING THAT THE OFFICE OF INDEPENDENT
COUNSEL DOES NOT REQUIRE OPERATING OUTSIDE OF FEDERAL LAW. MR.
PRESIDENT, IT IS HIGH TIME AT LAST TO RESTORE THE CREDIBILITY
OF THIS INVESTIGATION AND ITS OFFICE. MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD
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THE FLO FLOOR. A SENATOR: MR. PRESIDENT?
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM OREGON.
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MR. WYDEN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MR. PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE
IT IS NOW VERY CLEAR THE THAT THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY AND THEIR
ALLIES WILL PULL OUT ALL THE STOPS -- I WOULD BE HAPPY TO YIELD
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TO THE CHAIRMAN OF OUR COMMERCE COMMITTEE. MR. MCCAIN: MR.
PRESIDENT?
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA.
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MR. MCCAIN: I THANK THE SENATOR FROM OREGON FOR YIELDING. I ASK
UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE SENATE STAND IN RECESS SUBJECT TO
THE CALL OF THE CHAIR FOLLOWING TEN MINUTES OF DEBATE BY
SENATOR WYDEN.
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT OBJECTION.
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MR. WYDEN: I THANK MY COLLEAGUE. MR. PRESIDENT, I DO BELIEVE IT
IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY AND THEIR ALLIES WILL
PULL OUT ALL THE STOPS TO KILL LEGISLATION THAT PROTECTS OUR
CHILDREN. AND IT IS VERY CLEAR HOW THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY HOPES
TO BRING ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION'S DEMISE. THE TOBACCO LOBBYISTS
WANT TO PRODUCE A DEATH BY DISTRACTION DISTRACTION. AND IT IS
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VERY EASY TO SEE WHY THE TOBACCO LOBBYISTS ARE PURSUING THIS
STRATEGY. THEY CANNOT DERAIL OUR CAUSE -- PROTECTING CHILDREN
FROM STARTING TO SMOKE -- ON THE MERITS. THE CASE FOR PASSING
LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR KIDS IS TOO POWERFUL, IT'S TOO
STRONG, IT'S TOO MORAL. SO THE TOBACCO LOBBY HOPES TO THROW
EVERYTHING BUT THE PROVERBIAL KITCHEN SINK INTO IT THIS DEBATE,
HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T STINK THE PLACE UP TOO MUCH AND THEN HOPE
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THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT THIS IS REALLY
ABOUT -- ALL ABOUT. THE FACT IS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET
IT. THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING CHILDREN, AND
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FALL FOR THIS STRATEGY OF TRYING TO
PRODUCE ENOUGH DISTRACTIONS THAT SOMEHOW THE SENATE WILL HAVE
TO MOVE ON TO OTHER ISSUES OR SOMEHOW SOME OTHER QUESTION WILL
HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED ON THIS FLOOR. I BELIEVE THAT ALLOWING
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THIS BILL TO DIE BY ALL OF THESE DISTRACTIONS WOULD BE ONE OF
THE MOST SHOCKING ABDICATIONS OF OUR PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITIES
THAT HAS BEEN SEEN IN YEARS. IF THIS BODY STAYS FOCUSED ON THE
GOAL OF PROTECTING CHILDREN CHILDREN, WORKS THROUGH THE
RELEVANT AMENDMENTS AND PASSES THIS IMPORTANT LEGISLATION, THIS
CONGRESS WOULD HAVE A LASTING LEGACY OF ACCOMPLISHMENT IN THE
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CAUSE OF KEEPING OUR CHILDREN HEALTHY IN THE 21ST CENTURY. NOW,
THERE ARE A VARIETY OF LEGITIMATE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP IN
THIS DEBATE. THE QUESTION OF EDUCATION POLICY, OF INCOME TAXES,
A WHOLE HOST OF QUESTIONS. I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH A NUMBER OF
OUR COLLEAGUES THE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO WANT TO MAKE IT
TOUGHER, FOR EXAMPLE, TO RAISE TAXES. I'M ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS
WHO VOTED TO DO THAT. BUT THIS IS NOT THE PROPER BILL ON WHICH
TO HAVE A DEBATE ON TAX POLICY. THIS IS NOT THE PROPER VEHICLE
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TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT TAX REFORM. THIS IS
ABOUT TOBACCO. I SEE OUR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE, SENATOR FORD. HE
AND I SERVE ON THE COMMERCE COMMITTEE. WE PRODUCED A BILL THAT
CAME OUT 6 COMMITTEE BY 19-1 BECAUSE WE STAYED FOCUSED ON THE
RELEVANT ISSUES. WE DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE. I HAVE ENORMOUS
RESPECT FOR SENATOR FORD. HE'S DONE YEOMEN WORK ON THE QUESTION
OF MAKING SURE OUR FARMERS GET A FAIR SHAKE. HE KNOWS I FEEL
STRONGLY ON KEY ISSUES; FOR EXAMPLE, MAKING SURE THAT THESE
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TOBACCO COMPANIES DON'T PAY FOR A SETTLEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY BY
TARGETING YOUNGSTERS AROUND THE GLOBE. BUT TOGETHER AND WITH
OUR COLLEAGUE, SENATOR HOLLINGS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, WE PRODUCED
WHAT WE THINK IS A FAIR PACKAGE PACKAGE. AND THERE CAN BE
FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THOSE ISSUES, BUT WE STAYED FOCUS ON THE
THE QUESTION OF TOBACCO. WE DIDN'T RAISE A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER
ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO BOTH OF US. WE STAYED FOCUS ON THE
CAUSE OF TRYING TO PROTECT CHILDREN, RECOGNIZING THAT WE'D HAVE
FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT SUBJECT HERE ON THE FLOOR. BUT WE
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STAYED FOCUSED ON THE TOPIC AT HAND. THE FIGHT TO STOP THE
CIGARETTE INDUSTRY FROM MARKETING TO CHILDREN DID NOT BEGIN
THIS YEAR, MR. PRESIDENT PRESIDENT. BUT THIS IS THE YEAR WE
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE REAL PROGRESS. I WAS A MEMBER OF
THE OTHER BODY AND PARTICIPATED IN THE HEARINGS HELD BY
THEN-CHAIRMAN HENRY WAXMAN. THE TOBACCO EXECUTIVES TOLD ME
UNDER OATH THAT NICOTINE ISN'T ADDICTIVE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
DIDN'T BELIEVE THEM. THE SURGEON GENERALS OF THE LAST 20 YEARS
DIDN'T BELIEVE THEM. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT HEARING AND THE
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DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE COME OUT OVER THESE MANY YEARS, WE HAVE
BEEN IN A POSITION TO MAKE GREAT PROGRESS PROGRESS, PROGRESS,
FOR EXAMPLE, THAT LED TO THAT 19-1 VOTE IN THE SENATE COMMERCE
COMMITTEE. THIS DEBATE IS THE CULMINATION OF YEARS OF WORK BY
THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PROMOTE THE CAUSE OF BETTER
HEALTH FOR CHILDREN IN OUR NATION. AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT IN
A WAY THAT'S GOING TO HELP KIDS AROUND THE WORLD BE HEALTHIER.
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FOR THE FIRST TIME -- THE FIRST TIME -- WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT
YOU'VE GOT TO PROTECT KIDS IN BANDEN, OREGON, AND BO BOMONT,
TEXT TURKS AND ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET
GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO HELP THESE TOBACCO
COMPANIES SELL CIGARETTES OVERSEAS AND HOOK KIDS IN BANGKOK AND
BANGLADESH. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. BUT WE'RE UP AGAINST
TREMENDOUS LOBBYING. THE TOBACCO COMPANIES HAVE SPENT MILLIONS.
MAYBE WHAT WE NEED IS A MILLION CHILD MARCH ON WASHINGTON,
D.C., WITH FAMILIES, WITH HEALTH PROFESSIONALS TO SHOW THAT
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WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DERAILED BY THESE LOBBYISTS. THESE
LOBBYISTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DERAIL THE CAUSE OF
PUBLIC HEALTH IN THIS BODY. WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THE DAYS AHEAD SO THIS ISSUE IS FOCUSED ON
WHAT REALLY COUNTS AND THAT'S PROTECTING CHILDREN. THERE'S NOT
GOING TO BE A DEATH BY DISTRACTION. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A
PRECIPITOUS AND UNFORTUNATE DEMISE FOR THIS BILL BY VIRTUE OF
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SO MANY OTHER ISSUES COMING UP AND BEING DEBATED ON THIS FLOOR.
WE'RE GOING TO STAY FOCUSED. MR. PRESIDENT, I KNOW OF THE GOOD
WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS ISSUE. WE HAVE FOUGHT TOGETHER
ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS TO TRY TO PROTECT CHILDREN IN OUR STATE.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE KIND OF SPIRIT THAT YOU AND I
HAVE BROUGHT TO THIS ISSUE COME TO THIS BODY AS A WHOLE, MAKE
SURE THAT WE STAY FOCUSED ON THEISH YOU'VE PROTECTING -- THE
ISSUE OF PROTECTING CHILDREN. AND I YIELD MY TIME, MR.
PRESIDENT.
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDER, THE SENATE
STANDS IN RECESS SUBJECT TO THE CALL OF THE CHAIR.
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