I now enclose the word "race" in quotations because it is a word that  
describes something that does not exist, it is a powerful word that has  
created havoc on the planet, and I will not legitimize it by putting it  
out there without quotation marks.  And I really do want to know from  
anyone who disagrees  exactly what legitimate reality they think they  
are describing.

Andrea

On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Daniel Rizik-Baer wrote:


>

> I love this…..

>  

> Yes, racism is the ideology you described, but prejudice is the action.

>  

> Race is a spurious concept to those that can deconstruct it, however  

> race has come to be very real and not spurious because of the actions  

> taken to solidify it as an actual signifier. I think putting it in  

> quotes is appropriate for some discussions and not for others.

>  

> And I do not think it is simply greed, or money, but everything that  

> goes along with it- a comfortable life, supposed progression, health  

> care, the ability to care for one’s own family, etc. - things that are  

> not bad on their own, but when acquired on the backs of others, are  

> indeed steeped in the blood and anguish of others.

>  

> People have been accustomed to thinking that rich and poor is natural,  

> or that the only way to accomplish the aforementioned goals is to  

> subjugate others. Therefore, race becomes a (weak) way to legitimize  

> that. Are you going to feel bad for oppressing someone if you think  

> they deserve it, or that they are not human, or at the least less  

> human than you?

>  

> It is a form of dissonance and disconnection, a way to stay Christian  

> and believe in oppression, a way to absolve morality or values or  

> ethics consciousness.

>  

> Daniel

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

> From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov  

> [mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Wilder

> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:40 PM

> To: The Poverty, Race, Women and Literacy Discussion List

> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1662] Re: Comments about oppression

>  

>

> OK, so racism is an ideology based on the spurious concept of race,  

> that attaches negative attributes to those defined by "race." Under  

> these negative attributes is greed--those on the other side gain  

> financially through the ideology of racism. --I have to put money in  

> here, it is my practice to ask, when a contentious issue rises its  

> head, "Where is the money in this problem?" OK, then why do we not  

> enclose this spurious concept in quotation marks to designate it as  

> spurious?

>

>  Andrea

>

>  On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:05 PM, margery freeman wrote:

> In the work I do with The People's Institute, Andrea, we define race  

> historically.  We say that race is a specious (looking true but  

> actually false) classification of human beings created by Europeans  

> and white Americans in the 16th-18th centuries, that uses the notion  

> of "white" as the model of humanity, in order to establish and  

> maintain power.  Racism is the ideology, or belief system, based on  

> race.

>  This isn't the way race is used in every day speech, but it does help  

> us understand how we've all been played.

>  Margery

>

> Andrea Wilder <andreawilder at comcast.net> wrote:

> OK, many have tossed the word RACE around. Everyone abhors RACISM.

>  Now--can we please define RACE? Please? Otherwise, I do feel that

>  this conversation will dissolve like fog under the sun, snow under  

> road

>  salt, or whatever metaphor is appropriate.

>

>  Andrea

>

>  On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Dr. Kathleen P. King wrote:

>

>  > Daniel-

>  > Wonderful articulation fo the complexity of these issues

>  > Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights with us

>  >

>  > And yes Eric, It pains me terrificly that it was the US flag flying

>  > above those camps and that  if flies over some wars that this  

> country

>  > has been involved in.

>  >

>  > Thank you both -

>  > Kathy

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