[PovertyRaceWomen 1663] Re: Comments about oppressionDaniel Rizik-Baer drizikbaer at gmail.comFri Feb 22 18:55:25 EST 2008
I love this... Yes, racism is the ideology you described, but prejudice is the action. Race is a spurious concept to those that can deconstruct it, however race has come to be very real and not spurious because of the actions taken to solidify it as an actual signifier. I think putting it in quotes is appropriate for some discussions and not for others. And I do not think it is simply greed, or money, but everything that goes along with it- a comfortable life, supposed progression, health care, the ability to care for one's own family, etc. - things that are not bad on their own, but when acquired on the backs of others, are indeed steeped in the blood and anguish of others. People have been accustomed to thinking that rich and poor is natural, or that the only way to accomplish the aforementioned goals is to subjugate others. Therefore, race becomes a (weak) way to legitimize that. Are you going to feel bad for oppressing someone if you think they deserve it, or that they are not human, or at the least less human than you? It is a form of dissonance and disconnection, a way to stay Christian and believe in oppression, a way to absolve morality or values or ethics consciousness. Daniel _____ From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Wilder Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:40 PM To: The Poverty, Race, Women and Literacy Discussion List Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1662] Re: Comments about oppression OK, so racism is an ideology based on the spurious concept of race, that attaches negative attributes to those defined by "race." Under these negative attributes is greed--those on the other side gain financially through the ideology of racism. --I have to put money in here, it is my practice to ask, when a contentious issue rises its head, "Where is the money in this problem?" OK, then why do we not enclose this spurious concept in quotation marks to designate it as spurious? Andrea On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:05 PM, margery freeman wrote: In the work I do with The People's Institute, Andrea, we define race historically. We say that race is a specious (looking true but actually false) classification of human beings created by Europeans and white Americans in the 16th-18th centuries, that uses the notion of "white" as the model of humanity, in order to establish and maintain power. Racism is the ideology, or belief system, based on race. This isn't the way race is used in every day speech, but it does help us understand how we've all been played. Margery Andrea Wilder <andreawilder at comcast.net> wrote: OK, many have tossed the word RACE around. Everyone abhors RACISM. Now--can we please define RACE? Please? Otherwise, I do feel that this conversation will dissolve like fog under the sun, snow under road salt, or whatever metaphor is appropriate. Andrea On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Dr. Kathleen P. King wrote: > Daniel- > Wonderful articulation fo the complexity of these issues > Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights with us > > And yes Eric, It pains me terrificly that it was the US flag flying > above those camps and that if flies over some wars that this country > has been involved in. > > Thank you both - > Kathy > > > -- > Dr. Kathleen P. 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