Received: from e7k9e6 (ascend2-ppp316.advdata.net [63.77.235.130]) by advdata.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14167 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:24:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001192124.QAA14167@advdata.net> From: wwebb@adni.net To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:21:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: US-LIST -- Changing Structure Reply-to: wwebb@adni.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) As a new-comer to the list, has there been any discussion on offering additional naming structures within the US domain? . Received: from wraith.sf.ca.us (night.wraith.sf.ca.us [192.58.220.13]) by fallkiss.wraith.sf.ca.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA52710 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:21:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001192221.OAA52710@fallkiss.wraith.sf.ca.us> To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: us domain stasis Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:24:42 -0800 From: gnu not unix Hi. First message in a while here. The "dot us" domain is a valuable resource. However, it has languished due to an unfortunate RFC, that burdens the "dot us" domain with things like "san-francisco.ca.us" rather than "sf.ca.us." I had submitted some comments, however they never made it onto the web site. Essentially, the existing, burdensome RFC-based use is the only one allowed at this point. Stasis, deep and dark... .../Steven . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qser0.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.59.96]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18779; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:00:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38865BC2.2538920A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:50:10 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure References: <200001192124.QAA14167@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whomever, There hasn't been any discussion on this list what so ever. Yours is the first post I have see thus far. wwebb@adni.net wrote: > As a new-comer to the list, has there been any discussion on > offering additional naming structures within the US domain? Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from e7k9e6 (ascend2-ppp316.advdata.net [63.77.235.130]) by advdata.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26783 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:31:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> From: wwebb@adni.net To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:27:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: REVAMPING US DOMAIN Reply-to: wwebb@adni.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) I note that RFC 1480, which apparently sets forth the philosophy under which the US domain will be operated, has not been updated in nearly SEVEN YEARS. See ftp://ftp.is.co.za/rfc/rfc1480.txt Is it time for some updates? What person(s) or entities have the authority to change how the US domain will be operated? . Received: (from orc@localhost) by pell.portland.or.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15922; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:02:54 -0800 From: david parsons Message-Id: <200001200102.RAA15922@pell.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN To: wwebb@adni.net Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:02:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov In-Reply-To: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> from "wwebb@adni.net" at Jan 19, 2000 06:27:44 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > I note that RFC 1480, which apparently sets forth the philosophy > under which the US domain will be operated, has not been updated > in nearly SEVEN YEARS. See ftp://ftp.is.co.za/rfc/rfc1480.txt Is > it time for some updates? > > What person(s) or entities have the authority to change how the US > domain will be operated? Jon Postel is dead, so I suspect it's the US Government. ____ david parsons \bi/ Or ICANN. \/ . Received: from iciiu.org (108.m61.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.108]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25114; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:08:55 -0500 Message-ID: <38865FFA.65C34B10@iciiu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:08:10 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure References: <200001192124.QAA14167@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > As a new-comer to the list, has there been any discussion on > offering additional naming structures within the US domain? Yours is the first message I've received on the list since I joined it many months ago. There has been no discussion regarding your query, nor about anything else. Should we assume from this that the NTIA has shelved the project to reorganize .US? If someone from the NTIA is receiving this, perhaps theyll respond. ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from bvirtueserve (du643-pcap-nca01.wgn.net [207.213.7.135]) by mail.wgn.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA31663 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:06:29 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20000119170951.034c88b0@mail.wgn.net> X-Sender: bvirtual@mail.wgn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:14:26 -0800 To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov From: Peter Benjamin Subject: support for your_name.city.state.us issue In-Reply-To: <38865BC2.2538920A@ix.netcom.com> References: <200001192124.QAA14167@advdata.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just to generate some discussion on somethings that would help me out I'd like to see discussion on allowing the format your_name.city.state.us where your_name is *whatever* you asked for. I think your_name is currently restricted to the name of one the host computer. Thus, one computer can not host multiple such names. It would be cool if low_level.your_name.city.state.us could be DNS hosted on one's own DNS server too. . Received: from iciiu.org (108.m61.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.108]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25270; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <38866159.2F5C0876@iciiu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:14:01 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnu not unix CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: us domain stasis References: <200001192221.OAA52710@fallkiss.wraith.sf.ca.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gnu not unix wrote: > > Essentially, the existing, burdensome RFC-based use is the only > one allowed at this point. Stasis, deep and dark... The NTIA held a conference in Washington about six months ago on reorganizing .US. There were some interesting proposals. But they seem to have abandoned the project, or let it slide. Maybe they're waiting for some over-all policy on ccTLDs to emerge from ICANN. That would be unfortunate, because they'll wait forever. ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from iciiu.org (108.m61.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.108]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25283; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:16:17 -0500 Message-ID: <388661B4.4900A4C3@iciiu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:15:32 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN References: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > What person(s) or entities have the authority to change how the US > domain will be operated? ICANN? The DOC? IANA? Everyone but the users. :-) ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: (from orc@localhost) by pell.portland.or.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16087; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:21:21 -0800 From: david parsons Message-Id: <200001200121.RAA16087@pell.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: support for your_name.city.state.us issue To: bvirtual@westworld.com (Peter Benjamin) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:21:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000119170951.034c88b0@mail.wgn.net> from "Peter Benjamin" at Jan 19, 2000 05:14:26 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Benjamin wrote: > > > Just to generate some discussion on somethings > that would help me out > > I'd like to see discussion on allowing the format > > your_name.city.state.us > > where your_name is *whatever* you asked for. > I think your_name is currently restricted to the > name of one the host computer. Thus, one computer > can not host multiple such names. Uh, no. I can't speak for every .us subdelegate, but in all the domains I've had pell (mpls.mn.us, chi.il.us, portland.or.us) I've been able to set up my own nameservers and use pell as both a hostname and as my toplevel domain. Currently pell has about 30 machine names (not all of which are active all the time, of course) all off .pell.portland.or.us ____ david parsons \bi/ only one machine? Ick. \/ . Received: from riddle (riddle.config.com [216.28.158.19]) by walnut.config.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA98494 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:30:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001200130.UAA98494@walnut.config.com> From: "Joe Rinehart" Organization: Config.Com, Inc. - http://www.config.com To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:30:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN Reply-to: joe@config.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Very Interesting. Someone had to make the change of delegation in July of 1997 which now require written authorization to manage a community domain. I believe this is an error for several reason: 1. The politics of commerce. 2. Governments are moving toward the dot com's due to the lack of knowledge of the .us standards etc... 3. Commerce and other organizations in a particular community have just as much interest in low cost domains i.e. lodge47.massillon.oh.us but now to offer host delegation for a community one needs permission by a government body. Most are still not connected to the 'net beyond dial-in access even at this point. 4. It is in the best interest of a community for a local experienced who is willing to play the role of delegate to be able offer and manage these domains in the best interest of commerce and non-profits. My own opinion is that government may and should have the right to contest improper DNS host delegates who don't live up to the rules, but should go through a body. I've just seen too much politics in the Internet biz start since March of '95. Government contracts for web publishing going to relatives, etc... It's absolutely amazing and I also feel this is why the .us domains are losing ground to the dot coms... Enough, of my complaining. I agree something should be done to manage the .us hierarchy in the best interest of the public. If it to ever amount to anything, it needs some work still. The sad thing is it's the only domain naming concept that I've seen that has the ability to make a direct economic impact on a given community by allowing the community to share the same domain;^) The fundamental concept was great and I'd hate to see it get lost in the dot com World. Best 'net regards, Joe Rinehart From: wwebb@adni.net To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:27:44 -0500 Subject: REVAMPING US DOMAIN Send reply to: wwebb@adni.net Priority: normal > I note that RFC 1480, which apparently sets forth the philosophy under > which the US domain will be operated, has not been updated in nearly > SEVEN YEARS. See ftp://ftp.is.co.za/rfc/rfc1480.txt Is it time for > some updates? > > What person(s) or entities have the authority to change how the US > domain will be operated? > Joe Rinehart, Operations Designer Config.Com, Inc. 124 North Chestnut Street, Ravenna, OH 44266 T: 330.297.9595 F:330.296.4005 H:330.874.2869 http://home.config.com/~joe/ mailto:joe@config.com finger:joe@config.com . Received: from laptop (laptop.jbr [10.0.0.2]) by port53.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23261; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:31:20 -0600 From: "John B. Reynolds" To: "Peter Benjamin" , Subject: RE: support for your_name.city.state.us issue Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:23:52 -0600 Message-ID: <000201bf62e5$035ca7e0$0200000a@jbr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000119170951.034c88b0@mail.wgn.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Benjamin [mailto:bvirtual@westworld.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 19 January 2000 19:14 > To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov > Subject: support for your_name.city.state.us issue > > > > Just to generate some discussion on somethings > that would help me out > > I'd like to see discussion on allowing the format > > your_name.city.state.us > > where your_name is *whatever* you asked for. > I think your_name is currently restricted to the > name of one the host computer. Thus, one computer > can not host multiple such names. > > It would be cool if > > low_level.your_name.city.state.us > > could be DNS hosted on one's own DNS server too. > The second case is certainly possible within chicago.il.us, and I suspect that the first is as well. Depending on your local registry, YMMV. . Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by claude.akamai.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12385 for us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:54:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:54:11 -0500 From: David Shaw To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN Message-ID: <20000119205410.A12344@akamai.com> Mail-Followup-To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov References: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> <388661B4.4900A4C3@iciiu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1i In-Reply-To: <388661B4.4900A4C3@iciiu.org>; from msondow@iciiu.org on Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 08:15:32PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CB3B415/2048/4D 96 83 18 2B AF BE 45 D0 07 C4 07 51 37 B3 18 X-URL: http://www.jabberwocky.com/ X-Phase-Of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) X-Pointless-Random-Number: 169 X-Silly-Header: It sure is. On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 08:15:32PM -0500, Michael Sondow wrote: > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > What person(s) or entities have the authority to change how the US > > domain will be operated? > > ICANN? The DOC? IANA? > > Everyone but the users. :-) Well, there *was* an attempt (last year?) by the US Post Office to take over *.us .. if I recall, it was more-or-less laughed down. David -- David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson . 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Is this permitted? Shouldn't it be nic.monterey.ca.us? Russ Smith http://domainia.org --------------340C88358FC90DD6BED0F41F-- . Received: from e7k9e6 (ascend2-ppp316.advdata.net [63.77.235.130]) by advdata.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17452; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001200216.VAA17452@advdata.net> From: wwebb@adni.net To: Michael Sondow Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:12:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure Reply-to: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Priority: normal In-reply-to: <38865FFA.65C34B10@iciiu.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Well, if the NTIA is going to be actionless, perhaps we ought to see how many people on this list are ready to start writing their Senators and Congressmen to get something done. Whose willing -- please send me a private note ? Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:08:10 -0500 From: Michael Sondow To: wwebb@adni.net Copies to: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > As a new-comer to the list, has there been any discussion on > > offering additional naming structures within the US domain? > > Yours is the first message I've received on the list since I joined > it many months ago. There has been no discussion regarding your > query, nor about anything else. Should we assume from this that the > NTIA has shelved the project to reorganize .US? If someone from the > NTIA is receiving this, perhaps theyll respond. > > > ============================================================ > Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org > Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 > ============================================================ > . Received: from iciiu.org (203.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.203]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27320; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:25:53 -0500 Message-ID: <38867205.AFCBE1F6@iciiu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:25:09 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Shaw CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN References: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> <388661B4.4900A4C3@iciiu.org> <20000119205410.A12344@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Shaw wrote: > > Michael Sondow wrote: > > > > Everyone but the users. :-) > > Well, there *was* an attempt (last year?) by the US Post Office to > take over *.us .. if I recall, it was more-or-less laughed down. You're not suggesting that the USPS is "the users", are you? :-) Yes, there has been much righteous opposition to even entertaining the idea that the USPS get involved in .US. I sent a vehement protest to the NTIA when the suggestion first arose, on the grounds that any attachment of domain names to street addresses was not only contrary to the Internet concepts of portability and extra-territoriality, but downright impractical considering how often people move. My recent experience with getting my mail forwarded from my apartment in New York City to my upstate getaway have sorely confirmed me in my derision of any connection whatsoever between the PO and the Internet. Those who don't depend on the USPS for important communications may think otherwise. :-) ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from iciiu.org (203.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.203]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27461; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:31:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3886736A.A7A3126A@iciiu.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:31:06 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure References: <200001200216.VAA17452@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > Well, if the NTIA is going to be actionless, perhaps we ought to > see how many people on this list are ready to start writing their > Senators and Congressmen to get something done. What do you say if we give the NTIA 24 hours to announce their involvement here, before making a protest (to the list admin?) about their having abandoned the subject and this list? HELLO OUT THERE! NTIA! ARE YOU THERE?! DO YOU EXIST? IS .US STILL VIABLE? HELLO?! HELLO?! ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from e7k9e6 (ascend2-ppp316.advdata.net [63.77.235.130]) by advdata.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20415 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:46:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001200246.VAA20415@advdata.net> From: wwebb@adni.net To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:43:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: US Domain -- You Won't Believe What they just did. Reply-to: wwebb@adni.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Cooincidently, since this list discussion began a few hours ago, I just received the following message from the US DOMAIN REGISTRY: To: WWEBB@ADNI.NET Copies to: usdomreg@ISI.EDU Send reply to: usdomreg@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: Request for Domain name Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:17:06 -0800 From: US Domain Registration Hi, We believe you should register under .gov. For more information on GOV please contact registration@fed.gov. Thank you, US Domain Registry ------------------------------------------------------------end of message--------------- This is VERY INTERESTING as it was the US Domain Registry that recently refused a government related registration to this organization and now, when a regular registration for a non-profit corporation was submitted, they REFUSE to register the domain. By what authority can the US Domain Registry refuse to register a domain name for a charitable organization? I find no such provisions in the RFC that they supposedly operate under. Please note that whoever signs the e-mail as "US DOMAIN REGISTRY" does not disclose their identity. . Received: from e7k9e6 (ascend2-ppp316.advdata.net [63.77.235.130]) by advdata.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20755; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:50:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001200250.VAA20755@advdata.net> From: wwebb@adni.net To: Michael Sondow Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:46:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure Reply-to: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3886736A.A7A3126A@iciiu.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) This list may get shut-down and none of us know who else is on the list. Those on this list that would be interested in pursuing discussions on getting changes made to the US domain administration, please drop me a private e-mail. That way, if this list closes, I'll setup another list that will be open to the public. Thanks. Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:31:06 -0500 From: Michael Sondow To: wwebb@adni.net Copies to: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > Well, if the NTIA is going to be actionless, perhaps we ought to > > see how many people on this list are ready to start writing their > > Senators and Congressmen to get something done. > > What do you say if we give the NTIA 24 hours to announce their > involvement here, before making a protest (to the list admin?) about > their having abandoned the subject and this list? > > HELLO OUT THERE! NTIA! ARE YOU THERE?! DO YOU EXIST? IS .US STILL > VIABLE? HELLO?! HELLO?! > > > ============================================================ > Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org > Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 > ============================================================ > . Received: from kstudio ([32.100.241.253]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000012003145722903vaqfbe>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:14:57 +0000 Message-ID: <002201bf62f2$d9c901e0$fdf16420@kstudio> From: "Art and Jewelry Studio" To: > References: <200001192124.QAA14167@advdata.net> Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:02:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Help, I want to get off of this list-----please how do I do that? Koschetzki http://www.ceramic-artists.com http://www.art-jewelry.com art@banet.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: US-LIST -- Changing Structure > As a new-comer to the list, has there been any discussion on > offering additional naming structures within the US domain? > . Received: from kstudio ([32.100.241.253]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000120031607229028b6p7e>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:16:07 +0000 Message-ID: <002801bf62f3$039f26c0$fdf16420@kstudio> From: "Art and Jewelry Studio" To: References: <200001192124.QAA14167@advdata.net> Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:04:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I want to get off of this list , ---how do I do that? Koschetzki http://www.ceramic-artists.com http://www.art-jewelry.com art@banet.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: US-LIST -- Changing Structure > As a new-comer to the list, has there been any discussion on > offering additional naming structures within the US domain? > . Received: by oracledesign.com from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:21:42 -0500 Received: by oracledesign.com from pubtech1 (12.20.199.92::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:21:41 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:21:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF62CB.9864F6E0.jleinbach@pubtech.com> From: Jared Leinbach Reply-To: "jleinbach@pubtech.com" To: "'us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov'" Subject: remove Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:21:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: B3D35262-CEB511D3-B0C100A0-249C8F8C remove . 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Received: from CJ52269A ([24.10.226.181]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000120033454.NTNG21783.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@CJ52269A> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:34:54 -0800 Reply-To: From: "domainiac" To: Subject: RE: US-LIST -- Changing Structure Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:35:50 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01bf62f7$72434a80$b5e20a18@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <002801bf62f3$039f26c0$fdf16420@kstudio> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ADDRESSES: To subscribe to the mailing list, send an electronic mail to us-list-request@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov and in the body of the message type: join us-list. . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qsdfu.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.53.254]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00687; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:56:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3886A111.C9746CBE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:45:53 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Shaw CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN References: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> <388661B4.4900A4C3@iciiu.org> <20000119205410.A12344@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David and all, Yes this is essentially correct. It was originally suggested by the late Jon Postel which ICANN nearly worships as a religious deity now. Of course the idea was entirely silly. David Shaw wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2000 at 08:15:32PM -0500, Michael Sondow wrote: > > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > > > What person(s) or entities have the authority to change how the US > > > domain will be operated? > > > > ICANN? The DOC? IANA? > > > > Everyone but the users. :-) > > Well, there *was* an attempt (last year?) by the US Post Office to > take over *.us .. if I recall, it was more-or-less laughed down. > > David > > -- > David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. > We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qsdfu.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.53.254]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15344; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:01:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3886A226.405BD11B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:50:30 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Sondow CC: "dotUS-America's ccTLD" , Becky Burr Subject: [Attn Becky Burr]Re: FYI (from domain-policy@lists.internic.net) References: <38866DDD.4A6E9C36@iciiu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael and all, I suppose one would have to ask Becky Burr. I believe she is in charge directly of .US presently. I must say this Domain under the ..US ccTLD is a direct violation of the "Rules" governing that ccTLD. My bet is that she will sit on it though.... Michael Sondow wrote: > Subject: http://www.nic.us/ > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:45:18 -0500 > From: domainiac > To: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET > > http://www.nic.us/ > > new URL. Is this permitted? Shouldn't it be nic.monterey.ca.us? > > Russ Smith > http://domainia.org Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qsdfu.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.53.254]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06770; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:10:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3886A45C.9DB5A1DF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:59:56 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov CC: wwebb@adni.net, Michael Sondow , "'Marc Hurst'" , Becky Burr , Chip Pickering , Chris Cannon , commerce , Connie Morella , ecommercecommission Public comments , Eddie Bernice Johnson , Kay Bailey Hutchison , Phil Gramm , William Daley Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure References: <200001200216.VAA17452@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WWebb and all, Well many of us have been doing this. Fax as well. See CC list on this post. Still put me on your list if you have a petition. I will also contact all of our members to gain their support as well. wwebb@adni.net wrote: > Well, if the NTIA is going to be actionless, perhaps we ought to > see how many people on this list are ready to start writing their > Senators and Congressmen to get something done. > > Whose willing -- please send me a private note ? > > Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:08:10 -0500 > From: Michael Sondow > To: wwebb@adni.net > Copies to: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov > Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure > > > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > > > As a new-comer to the list, has there been any discussion on > > > offering additional naming structures within the US domain? > > > > Yours is the first message I've received on the list since I joined > > it many months ago. There has been no discussion regarding your > > query, nor about anything else. Should we assume from this that the > > NTIA has shelved the project to reorganize .US? If someone from the > > NTIA is receiving this, perhaps theyll respond. > > > > > > ============================================================ > > Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org > > Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 > > ============================================================ > > -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qsdfu.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.53.254]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21758; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:14:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3886A558.B41577F5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:04:08 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov CC: wwebb@adni.net, usdomreg@ISI.EDU, Becky Burr Subject: Re: US Domain -- You Won't Believe What they just did. References: <200001200246.VAA20415@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WWebb and all, Well you can see clearly that the domreg doesn't have a clue! ROFLMAO! wwebb@adni.net wrote: > Cooincidently, since this list discussion began a few hours ago, I > just received the following message from the US DOMAIN > REGISTRY: > > To: WWEBB@ADNI.NET > Copies to: usdomreg@ISI.EDU > Send reply to: usdomreg@ISI.EDU > Subject: Re: Request for Domain name > Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:17:06 -0800 > From: US Domain Registration > > > Hi, > We believe you should register under .gov. > For more information on GOV please contact registration@fed.gov. > Thank you, > US Domain Registry > ------------------------------------------------------------end of message--------------- > > This is VERY INTERESTING as it was the US Domain Registry > that recently refused a government related registration to this > organization and now, when a regular registration for a non-profit > corporation was submitted, they REFUSE to register the domain. > By what authority can the US Domain Registry refuse to register a > domain name for a charitable organization? I find no such > provisions in the RFC that they supposedly operate under. Please > note that whoever signs the e-mail as "US DOMAIN REGISTRY" > does not disclose their identity. Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: (from orc@localhost) by pell.portland.or.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17112; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:42:16 -0800 From: david parsons Message-Id: <200001200442.UAA17112@pell.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN To: jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com (Jeff Williams) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:42:16 -0800 (PST) Cc: dshaw@jabberwocky.com (David Shaw), us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov In-Reply-To: <3886A111.C9746CBE@ix.netcom.com> from "Jeff Williams" at Jan 19, 2000 09:45:53 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Williams wrote: > > David and all, > > Yes this is essentially correct. It was originally suggested by the late > Jon Postel which ICANN nearly worships as a religious deity now. > Of course the idea was entirely silly. Why so? The US Post Office, unlike the DOC, actually performs some non-administrative tasks. ____ david parsons \bi/ I will ignore the "GOVERNMENT IS EVIL!" argument, because \/ that argument gave us the sorry state the NSI leasespace is in. .