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April 22, 1999
Pat Cowings / Research Psychologist,
Principal Investigator of Psychophysiological Research Laboratories
NASA Ames Research Center
Tish/NASAChatHost - 18 - 11:01:30
]
We are ready to begin our chat with Pat Cowings. If you have not read
her profile please do so at: http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/women/bios/pc.html
so you can compose thoughtful questions. This chat is moderated so you
will not see your questions posted immediately. Please do not repost questions
as it slows down the process. As soon as we see Pat online we will continue
posting questions.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 19 - 11:16:33 ]
RE: [SaraApodaca-Mrs.Maline/ManuelL.Real] When
did you decide that you wanted to be an astronaut?
I was about 9 years old
[ PatCowings/ARC - 21 - 11:18:22 ]
RE: [ThomasHepburn-Mrs.Maline/ManuelL.Real]
How did your parents feel about your wanting to do a job that men did?
My parents wanted me do do what I wanted to do. With 3 brothers (no sisters),
I learned long ago that anything they could do--I could do too.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 23 - 11:21:44 ]
RE: [Ashley-amiller/ndhs4girls.] Did anyone
give you a hard time because you were a female?
Of course they did! I also had the double "problem" of being Black--you
could say a "triple" problem because I was very young when I got my Ph.D.
(23). But youth is something you get over if you live long enough. And
MOST intelligent human beings will judge you on what you DO, not how you
LOOK. I only wish MORE people were INTELLIGENT human beings.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 28 - 11:23:56 ]
RE: [vicky] Dear Pat, Are you dissappointed
that you never had the chance to fly a space shuttle? How do they choose
the people that do (fly in the shuttles)?
Yeah--I'll probably always be disappointed. Even though NOW I know that
it's not such a glamorous job as it is a dangerous and uncomfortable one.
I STILL want to go. How do they choose the people. But ability for sure,
but there's also "political reasons". Don't kid yourself otherwise. Sally
Ride wasn't the FIRST woman picked for the space program, but we all think
she was the first to RIDE because of her name--it was easy to remember.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 33 - 11:27:40 ]
RE: [Ashley-amiller/ndhs4girls.] What specific
job do you do?
That's a complicated question. I'm a scientist. I study how people adapt
to unusual environments and I help them to adapt faster. I'm a teacher.
I show people how to control their own heart rates, blood pressure and
things like that. If you can make your heart rate slow down, you can get
rid of panic. If you can make it speed up when you're really tired, you
can do work that you need to do. I LOVE to work with people--they're my
favorite laboratory animals!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 34 - 11:29:39 ]
RE: [ThomasHepburn-Mrs.Maline/ManuelL.Real]
How did you improve your math skills?
I hate to say this--but I HATED math. I use statistics all the time. I
used to call it SADISTICS. But I improved because my dad made me study
and rewarded me when I did well on tests. Making my folks happy with me
was very important--and now, dispite myself, I'm pretty good at math.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 35 - 11:31:54 ]
RE: [JoshHall-Mrs.Maline/ManuelL.Real] Why
did you want to become an astronaut?
Because of star trek at first. Then, because I thought that it had to
be the most important thing a human could do. We are the only animals
that learned to leave the planet of our origin!! I wanted to be part of
that human adventure.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 37 - 11:35:18 ]
RE: [Amber/6thgrade] Where you upset
when you found out that you couldnt go into space? Or when you found out
that they didnt have a suit to fit you?
Well, when I first trained, I KNEW it was just a dress rehersal and that
I wouldn't be going soon. Although I DID have hopes for the future. When
I was there, the folks at NASA had never worked with a woman crew-person
before. You'd think some of these guys had never SEEN a woman. One guy
said to me about the suit, "I don't understand it. If it fits in the chest,
it's too big at the waist and the sleeves are too long. If it fits on
your waist, the hips are too small". I told him to go home and look at
his wife. Women are shaped differently than men!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 38 - 11:40:54 ]
RE: [SaraApodaca-Mrs.Maline/ManuelL.Real] What
were the activities you completed in order to train to go into space?
What is it like in space?
Well, I was a Scientist astronaut candidate--they're called Payload Specialists.
My main job was to learn how to conduct the experiments on board the mission.
The PS is picked from among the principal investigators because he or
she is the best one to do her OWN experiment and has the skills to perform
others. The hardest thing I had to learn was how to use the zero-g "liquid
waste collection system". Picture in your mind a small vacuum cleaner
tube with a funnel on the end. The "funnel" was the "female adapter. Now,
imagine using this in the zero-gravity aircraft while NASA trainers watch
how well you handle the task!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 39 - 11:42:06 ]
RE: [girlscouts] Hello Pat and Tish,
The Girl Scouts are here from Cincinnati
hello girl scouts. I used to be one of you!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 44 - 11:44:31 ]
RE: [Ileana/5thgrade] Did you ever have
time to go out or do fun things?
Of course! My boy friend at the time way my co-investigator. This year
we'll be married 20 years! Our job was fun. That's the only reason I came
to work for NASA. But dancing and movies and stuff were things we always
found time for.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 45 - 11:47:53 ]
RE: [Gwen] Hi Pat- We would like to
know if all astronauts use your Autogenic Feedback Training exercises?
Who else uses them?
no. Unfortunately they don't. I am still trying though. Just last year
we did a test that showed we could train people over the internet. Astronaut
time is very precious, but if you've got a PC in your house, NOW I can
deliver this training anywhere the internet can reach. I'm working with
cosmonauts but the astronauts haven't worked with me since 1992. I'm told
that THIS year, I'll get my chance to change their minds. Really, I think
if I just had a chance to TELL them what I do, most of them would JUMP
for it--after all, it's a way to Help Yourself!! without pills.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 50 - 11:50:22 ]
RE: [girlscouts] how old were you when
you graduated from high school?
17 1/2 years old, just like everybody. But when I found out about psychophysiology
in college--the study of the relationship between mind and body--and when
I discovered that this was a way that people could learn to make themselves
better, tougher, more adaptable. I just FLEW through the rest of the courses
till my Ph.D.--I couldn't get enough!! I wanted to be the one who took
this stuff to the next level!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 52 - 11:56:11 ]
RE: [Vicky] Dear Pat, regarding what
they look for in the people they choose to go up in space, can ANYONE
do it if they had the education, training, and physical aptitude? i.e,
Can anyone be TRAINED for it, or do you have be a particular kind of person?
I've worked with a LOT of folks who've gone into space and I am absolutely
CONVINCED that anyone can do this stuff. OF course you can be trained,
of course education is necessary--but some of the things we may think
as being important--like atheltic abilitiy or strength? NAH. I believe
that amputees or paralyzed people should (and will) go into space. There's
no handicap there if you can't walk. And, there's good scientific evidence
that a Couch potatoe type person--overweight and out of shape, will probably
adapt BETTER than an athlete.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 53 - 12:01:37 ]
RE: [Alicia/WE] What is it called Autogenic
Feedback?
Autogenic is Latin for "self-generated". My treatment is called Autogenic-Feedback
Training Exercise (AFTE). It combines Autogenic therapy ( a psychotherapy
that involves self-hypnosis), with Biofeedback (showing a person his own
physiological responses, like heart rate, in real-time), Training (because
the more you do it, the better you get--like most things), and Exercise,
because what you're really learning how to do is to exercise or control
"smooth" muscle--the muscles of your heart, blood vessels, and gut. Plus,
you learn to regulate glandular responses as well. In my lab when we say
"don't sweat" we mean just that. We can teach you how to increase or decrease
sweat--on command! Some long sentences there!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 55 - 12:03:29 ]
RE: [Ileana/5thgrade] How did you get
a PHD at such a young age. It takes at least seven years to get one.
There really isn't a time-limit to getting a Ph.D. I was just in LOVE
with the study of psychophysiology. And when I learned that I could use
this to HELP ASTRONUATS!! I was on FIRE to get out of school and down
to business with NASA!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 56 - 12:06:42 ]
RE: [Amber/6thgrade] Are you glad that
you picked the profession? I think its great that you think you can do
anything and not worrying about what other people think.
Yes I'm glad I picked this profession. I think that studying the animal
(human) that invented all the other professions, makes mine the best field
of all. But it's not true that I can do anything without worrying about
what other people think. I'm human too, ya know. You just HAVE to figure
out that you can't please everybody--and that SOME people will be unhappy
with you no matter WHAT you do. So, even though it's hard to ignore put-downs
sometimes, you just HAVE to or you can't survive!
[ MrsMock/MontessoriSchoolofCorona - 57 - 12:10:01 ]
How many units did you take at a time to get through school so fast. How
can that be done. My students think you are almost like Doogie Howser
that kid tv doctor! Thanks again!
[ PatCowings/ARC - 59 - 12:13:46 ]
RE: [MrThompson] What other people would
benefit from your Autogenic Feedback work? Do you ever work with the medical
profession or high stress people?
Glad you asked. We've been working with some patients at the University
of Tennessee who suffer from Dysautonomia. This means they have constant
nausea and fainting spells. So far, the training seems to be working (over
44 people are feeling better). Also, people with inner ear problems have
benefited. Some work I did with the army showed that AFTE improves pilot
performance in High Stress enviroments like search and rescue!. I'm trying
to get the word out--AFTE is aslo, basically, a CURE for motion sickness
on Earth! Now, if only the NASA astronauts would let me play with THEM
on a regular basis--I'd be a happy camper.
[ PatCowings/ARC - 60 - 12:16:29 ]
RE: [MrsMock] Thank you very much for
chatting with us today. My students loved your answers!
You're welcome. It was fun
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