#1 capture started on Wed Sep 22 18:00:17 1999 lauram: Hi Mardean and Ina! lauram: How are you? MardeanB: It was good to hear from you the other day! MardeanB: School's going well - but already too busy. Ina: Looks neat Mardean...just checked out the general info site. lauram: yes - that's always a problem Ina: I had a long talk with Mike today. He's really interested in pursuing the project with his Phys Sci. MardeanB: I was just telling Ina that Eli and I have just spent 3 hrs tonight working on our school web site -- we're doing an overhaul. lauram: I appreciated your srtatus messages over the summer €€€ sdf has joined. €€€ MardeanB: Ina, that's what Doug was saying after school. lauram: sounds like a lot of work sdf: Hello everyonee lauram: Welcome sdf! lauram: Can I ask what you real name is? sdf: I'm Eileen...Looking to see where this name came from? MardeanB: Hi, Eileen lauram: oh - you should be able to change your nickname lauram: you are on a mac right? sdf: Looking for it... sdf: I'm on PC lauram: under the IRC menu, select Change Nickname Ina: Hi Eileen! €€€ mare has joined. €€€ lauram: Hi mare. Welcome! mare: Hello sdf: I'm in MCChat...looking sdf: Hello lauram: Mare - are you Mary Clifford? mare: No, Mary Warren MardeanB: Greetings from New Hampshire, Mary lauram: ok - welcome Mary. Mary was in LInC winter 98 €€€ sdf has changed nickname to Eileen €€€ Eileen: Ha! mare: Greetings to you all. lauram: Ina, Eileen and Mardean were in Winter 99 lauram: Shall we get started? mare: Glad to meet you all. Eileen: ok mare: yes, MardeanB: Ready Ina: Hi Mare! All set Laura. lauram: Ok - this first session is about how to create the web page form lauram: The second session in one hour is about how to make the form send you e-mail with the results lauram: But if we are faster, I will just continue mare: Super! lauram: Do you have a web page form started or do you want to start from scratch? Eileen: Sherri is coming...i just called her mare: From scratch. lauram: 1 vote in! Eileen: I have a page but it is wrong.. lauram: ok, thanks Eileen MardeanB: from scratch Eileen: So go from scratch] lauram: ok - we have a quorom lauram: please put your chat window on 1/2 your screen and open up PageMill to the other half lauram: Let me know when you are there. Ina: Laura--I'll be switching to the PC side to use FrontPage...it may take awhile longer. I'll catch up if I fall behind. mare: Ready here. MardeanB: I have pagemill up Eileen: ready lauram: Ok Ina - you'll want to translate my instructions to FrontPage-ese Ina: No problem! lauram: Ok - The first step is to create form objects lauram: using PageMill lauram: form objects are ... lauram: checkboxes, menus, radio buttons, text fields, ... Ina: Laura--is anyone capturing this? Will it be posted anywhere? lauram: These items are icons in the top right of the PageMill toolbar lauram: I'm capturing lauram: I'll post as well MardeanB: Thanks lauram: without clicking - pass your mouse over lauram: the right half of the icons on that toolbar lauram: an little box will pop up saying what each item is lauram: Do you see this? Eileen: got it MardeanB: ok Ina: All set. mare: ok lauram: For example, the first one says "insert checkbox" lauram: great! Wed Sep 22 18:15:32 1999 lauram: ok - go ahead and click on the checkbox and press return MardeanB: Done mare: ok Eileen: done €€€ Smeehan has joined. €€€ lauram: then click on the radiobutton twice and press return MardeanB: done mare: so we should now have a checkbox and 2 radio buttons lauram: yes. Ina: Yes Eileen: yes €€€ Sherri has joined. €€€ lauram: then press return Eileen: Hi shreei Sherri: hi. finally! lauram: then click on the scrolled text icon and press return Ina: Scrolled text icon??? mare: the next one... lauram: It's the next icon after radiobutton MardeanB: Got it! mare: If Ina is in front page it might say text field?? Ina: Sorry--I'm menuing it in frontpage. Ina: Found it. lauram: ok great. Smeehan: Okay I have these also. lauram: What we just did was pick a few sample form objects Eileen: ok lauram: When you do one later, you can pick whatever items you need lauram: We'll stop here and just use these 4 items as your starting example Ina: Am I correct that radio button = one choice, checkbox if want options to select two or more? lauram: exactly lauram: if you have 6 radiobuttons - only one may be selected at any time lauram: if you have 6 checkboxes, all or none can be selected mare: got it. Eileen: ok lauram: ok - the next step is to give these form objects intelligent names so you can recognize them when they are e-mailed back to you lauram: Also, we need to give a value that will be sent when the checkbox is checked or radiobutton is selected lauram: To do this, click once on the checkbox lauram: Then from the VIEW menu, choose SHOW INSPECTOR (if your is not already up lauram: let me knwo when you are there Eileen: ok MardeanB: ok mare: I don't have VIEW, could I have an older version of pagemill? lauram: Mary are you on a Mac? Smeehan: ok mare: yes Mac 550 lauram: Stephen, are you on a Mac? Smeehan: Yes lauram: ok - then it is the version. Ina: Think I'm set. Sherri: On the mac it is "window" lauram: Mary, is their a WINDOW menu? mare: I found it, thanks. lauram: great. lauram: ok - Now type something in the name like "happy" lauram: don't include the quotes Eileen: ok mare: ok Smeehan: ok lauram: I suggest names be in lower case lauram: also - please no spaces in these names lauram: sound familiar :-) Ina: ok lauram: Now fill in the value. What do you want your e-mail message to say if the person checks the box lauram: so I have put in "yes" in my value lauram: without the quotes Eileen: ok mare: ok Smeehan: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: the "checked" field lets you pick whether you want the checkbox to be checked when your reader first looks at your form. lauram: So you can select that or not as you prefer Smeehan: ok mare: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: Now we are done with the checkbox Wed Sep 22 18:30:35 1999 Eileen: not sure what you mean by first checked? lauram: click on the first readiobutton lauram: Eillen, when your reader first gives the URL for your form and sees it on the web Eileen: ok lauram: i.e. the default if your reader does nothing lauram: ok the trick with radiobuttons lauram: is that all the radiobuttons that go together have the same name lauram: so let's name this radiobutton "color" lauram: and give it a value of "white" Ina: That's how you can make two sets on the same line of a table that can be checked?!? lauram: no quotes in either of these or in the rest of this chat lauram: Yes Ina, the first set has one name lauram: and the second set has another lauram: now click on the second radiobutton lauram: give it the same name "color" lauram: give it a value of "black" Smeehan: ok MardeanB: Done mare: ok lauram: you can have long rows of radiobuttons this way lauram: but two is enough to get the idea across lauram: ok, nect click on your scrolled text field Ina: Neat! The light goes on.... Eileen: ok lauram: give it a name like "experience" lauram: these names arbitrary - you'll pick your own when you fo forms later lauram: You can decide how many rows and columns you want mare: ok lauram: let me know when you are done Smeehan: ok Eileen: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: Sherri - are you caught up? Ina: Okay Sherri: I'm not sure lauram: have you created a few items and named them and given them values? Sherri: I created a pg added radio buttons, Sherri: and a text box Sherri: I opened inspector Sherri: OK lauram: ok - now - every form needs a Submit button lauram: Can't submit without it. lauram: Add a submit button by clicking on the icon with the blue check MardeanB: ok mare: ok lauram: then add a reset button by clicking on the itemn with a red x Eileen: ok Sherri: ok Smeehan: ok lauram: the reset button is optional MardeanB: ok Eileen: set mare: super Smeehan: ok reset lauram: But if you have a form it is nice to allow the reader to clear all the fields with one button press - which is what the reset buttom does lauram: now we need to click on the submit button you created to get the inspector lauram: Name must be "submit" Sherri: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: label can be whatever you like Smeehan: ok lauram: "go for it" lauram: "submit" or something like that Smeehan: ok Ina: Laura--The submit & reset came up in front page when I added the first component. lauram: sounds fine Ina - you are doing well to translate and keep up at the same time! lauram: then click on the reset button Eileen: ok Sherri: I think that may have been my probelm Eileen: what/ Sherri: not "name" submit lauram: you can put whatever label you like on it. lauram: Yes - Sherri lauram: might depend on how the CGI works - but naming it submit is safest Sherri: Good Eileen: so why does it come to me as an unknown application? lauram: say label it "clear" Sherri: I have it lauram: Eileen - the way you are using - I don't think it gives the proper header info on the mail message to identify it as text instead of some other application file Eileen: what needs to change? lauram: can you all Save your form to myform.html lauram: always good to save periodically Smeehan: ok Eileen: ok Wed Sep 22 18:45:44 1999 MardeanB: ok Sherri: done mare: ok lauram: ok - next step is we have to tell the form what program to run when the user presses submit €€€ sdf has joined. €€€ sdf: I'm back lauram: To do this - click anywhere in your page €€€ sdf has changed nickname to Eileen2 €€€ lauram: Hi Eileen - you only missed our SAVING the file Ina: all set Eileen2: I'm saved lauram: after you click on your page (not on a form item) €€€ Eileen has quit saying: Ping timeout for Eileen[pm007-016.dialip.mich.com] €€€ €€€ Eileen2 has left. €€€ Sherri: ok lauram: in the inspector, click on the 3rd item at the top lauram: it looks like a scrolled text icon MardeanB: ok mare: got it lauram: for Action, fill in the URL for the script lauram: for our server, this should be €€€ Eileen has joined. €€€ Eileen: Having server problems Eileen: What is happening? Sherri: should be...? Smeehan: ok lauram: hello lauram: i'm back lauram: sorry - it was sending to the console instead of this window for a few minutes Eileen: ok Smeehan: ok lauram: oh - I understand Eileen: I've been gone and back twice! lauram: when I give the URL it thinks it is a command lauram: I'll try this way Smeehan: tricky lauram: slash cgi-bin/genmail.cgi lauram: there lauram: no space between the slash and the cgi-bin Eileen: I'm missing something...what is this? lauram: it is a forward slash just like the second one lauram: ok Eileen. lauram: Click in your pagemill window anywhere not on a form item Eileen: ok Ina: Laura--I don't believe I have an "inspector" and can't locate anything similiar. Any suggestions?....If you don't know, I'll just listen and try to find later. lauram: then in the inspector, click on the 3rd icon which looks like a scrolled text Eileen: ok lauram: Eileen - then for the action fill in /cgi-bin/genmail.cgi Smeehan: ok Sherri: Done. Hit return too? lauram: not sure Ina - how do you usually change properties of things - like how thick a line is lauram: don't need to hit return lauram: for the method - you must select POST Ina: I'll try form properties--I saw that. lauram: Ina - I can tell you how to do it in source code if you can't find it. It's easy Smeehan: ok lauram: ok, now add whatever text you would like in your PageMill window. mare: Is this the code for fnal ONLY? Eileen: ok lauram: The URL for the CGI script is fnal-only lauram: The process of creating and naming fields is same for all mare: ok, so my own server would be something else, right? Eileen: Where are we adding the txt in page mill? Sherri: Why not use the "mailto: our e-mail accounts? lauram: yes. You would need a "formmail" type CGI on their server lauram: Sherri - you can do that. lauram: The e-mail sent with results does not look very nice Sherri: How would we get the results of our forms from fnal? Eileen: missing something...Where am I putting this text? lauram: hell=yes&goodbye=no&there=people lauram: sorry that was supposed to be hello lauram: I am answering Sherri lauram: Sherri - that is what your results look like with the mailto approach lauram: This will look nicer Sherri: ok mare: Ok, we believe you. lauram: Also - Eileen's mail had trouble with that approach as you told me. lauram: ok Eileen Eileen: worked with MAC not PC Sherri: I was just guessing, I believe you too lauram: This text we are adding is just extra text in the file for the viewer mare: ok Eileen: under the submit box? lauram: You may want to add "happy: " before the checkbox lauram: "color:" before the radiobuttons lauram: experience: before the text field Wed Sep 22 19:00:47 1999 lauram: this is just for the reader to know what they are entering lauram: It doesn't do anything for the CGI program Eileen: I get it... a light went on! Sherri: like labels or directions lauram: great - yes. MardeanB: Done! lauram: ok perfect. We are done with part one right on time €€€ Jan has joined. €€€ mare: Super lauram: Hi Jan. Welcome. Jan: Hi everyone! lauram: We are just about to start part 2 Sherri: How do we get our results from your server? mare: Yes, results? lauram: please bring up your PageMill on the form you have ready to use. lauram: ok - please save your file to myfile.html lauram: oops - Jan cancel that lauram: Ok. Now you should be able to quit pagemill after you have saved lauram: please open your file in SimpleText if you have a Mac and WordPad if you have a PC mare: Is this direction for everyone? Sherri: Which file? the one we just created? lauram: Yes - the one you just created and saved. lauram: exit PageMill first lauram: You don't want to edit the file two ways at the same time :-( lauram: Also bring up your web browser Sherri: Everything is in code mare: this is gonna be a challenge, 3 windows??? Smeehan: okay I have "myform.html" opened in simpletext. Eileen: ok open lauram: yes. Sherri: Browser open Smeehan: browser open mare: If you lose me, it means I froze.... lauram: ok. Sherri: ok mare mare: I'm there so far, ok. lauram: should be ok - Chat and simpletext don't take much memory lauram: that is the reason for not using PageMill for this part lauram: Ok - go to the URL Sherri: good thinking! Sherri: which mare: ok the cgi-bin, etc one? lauram: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml lauram: No - not the CGI - If you give the CGI as the URL it will try to run the program without any form input lauram: it will not work lauram: The CGI is run by pressing submit on the form mare: I don't see where we put http.... etc. lauram: sorry - in your browser - I am asking you to go to a web page that has documentation Eileen: found it mare: ok Sherri: not available Smeehan: ok i think lauram: do you have docs plural Sherri lauram: do you have hyphen between www and ed Sherri: yes lauram: can you copy and paste Sherri: no mare: you can cut and paste the URL from the chat screen lauram: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml Eileen: I can just click on it from chat Sherri: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%0Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml Sherri: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%0Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml lauram: Sherri - erase everything from your location field lauram: Just put the URL once lauram: ok - others Sherri: done mare: I'm there. lauram: Do you see the line starting with