#1 capture started on Wed Sep 22 18:00:17 1999 lauram: Hi Mardean and Ina! lauram: How are you? MardeanB: It was good to hear from you the other day! MardeanB: School's going well - but already too busy. Ina: Looks neat Mardean...just checked out the general info site. lauram: yes - that's always a problem Ina: I had a long talk with Mike today. He's really interested in pursuing the project with his Phys Sci. MardeanB: I was just telling Ina that Eli and I have just spent 3 hrs tonight working on our school web site -- we're doing an overhaul. lauram: I appreciated your srtatus messages over the summer €€€ sdf has joined. €€€ MardeanB: Ina, that's what Doug was saying after school. lauram: sounds like a lot of work sdf: Hello everyonee lauram: Welcome sdf! lauram: Can I ask what you real name is? sdf: I'm Eileen...Looking to see where this name came from? MardeanB: Hi, Eileen lauram: oh - you should be able to change your nickname lauram: you are on a mac right? sdf: Looking for it... sdf: I'm on PC lauram: under the IRC menu, select Change Nickname Ina: Hi Eileen! €€€ mare has joined. €€€ lauram: Hi mare. Welcome! mare: Hello sdf: I'm in MCChat...looking sdf: Hello lauram: Mare - are you Mary Clifford? mare: No, Mary Warren MardeanB: Greetings from New Hampshire, Mary lauram: ok - welcome Mary. Mary was in LInC winter 98 €€€ sdf has changed nickname to Eileen €€€ Eileen: Ha! mare: Greetings to you all. lauram: Ina, Eileen and Mardean were in Winter 99 lauram: Shall we get started? mare: Glad to meet you all. Eileen: ok mare: yes, MardeanB: Ready Ina: Hi Mare! All set Laura. lauram: Ok - this first session is about how to create the web page form lauram: The second session in one hour is about how to make the form send you e-mail with the results lauram: But if we are faster, I will just continue mare: Super! lauram: Do you have a web page form started or do you want to start from scratch? Eileen: Sherri is coming...i just called her mare: From scratch. lauram: 1 vote in! Eileen: I have a page but it is wrong.. lauram: ok, thanks Eileen MardeanB: from scratch Eileen: So go from scratch] lauram: ok - we have a quorom lauram: please put your chat window on 1/2 your screen and open up PageMill to the other half lauram: Let me know when you are there. Ina: Laura--I'll be switching to the PC side to use FrontPage...it may take awhile longer. I'll catch up if I fall behind. mare: Ready here. MardeanB: I have pagemill up Eileen: ready lauram: Ok Ina - you'll want to translate my instructions to FrontPage-ese Ina: No problem! lauram: Ok - The first step is to create form objects lauram: using PageMill lauram: form objects are ... lauram: checkboxes, menus, radio buttons, text fields, ... Ina: Laura--is anyone capturing this? Will it be posted anywhere? lauram: These items are icons in the top right of the PageMill toolbar lauram: I'm capturing lauram: I'll post as well MardeanB: Thanks lauram: without clicking - pass your mouse over lauram: the right half of the icons on that toolbar lauram: an little box will pop up saying what each item is lauram: Do you see this? Eileen: got it MardeanB: ok Ina: All set. mare: ok lauram: For example, the first one says "insert checkbox" lauram: great! Wed Sep 22 18:15:32 1999 lauram: ok - go ahead and click on the checkbox and press return MardeanB: Done mare: ok Eileen: done €€€ Smeehan has joined. €€€ lauram: then click on the radiobutton twice and press return MardeanB: done mare: so we should now have a checkbox and 2 radio buttons lauram: yes. Ina: Yes Eileen: yes €€€ Sherri has joined. €€€ lauram: then press return Eileen: Hi shreei Sherri: hi. finally! lauram: then click on the scrolled text icon and press return Ina: Scrolled text icon??? mare: the next one... lauram: It's the next icon after radiobutton MardeanB: Got it! mare: If Ina is in front page it might say text field?? Ina: Sorry--I'm menuing it in frontpage. Ina: Found it. lauram: ok great. Smeehan: Okay I have these also. lauram: What we just did was pick a few sample form objects Eileen: ok lauram: When you do one later, you can pick whatever items you need lauram: We'll stop here and just use these 4 items as your starting example Ina: Am I correct that radio button = one choice, checkbox if want options to select two or more? lauram: exactly lauram: if you have 6 radiobuttons - only one may be selected at any time lauram: if you have 6 checkboxes, all or none can be selected mare: got it. Eileen: ok lauram: ok - the next step is to give these form objects intelligent names so you can recognize them when they are e-mailed back to you lauram: Also, we need to give a value that will be sent when the checkbox is checked or radiobutton is selected lauram: To do this, click once on the checkbox lauram: Then from the VIEW menu, choose SHOW INSPECTOR (if your is not already up lauram: let me knwo when you are there Eileen: ok MardeanB: ok mare: I don't have VIEW, could I have an older version of pagemill? lauram: Mary are you on a Mac? Smeehan: ok mare: yes Mac 550 lauram: Stephen, are you on a Mac? Smeehan: Yes lauram: ok - then it is the version. Ina: Think I'm set. Sherri: On the mac it is "window" lauram: Mary, is their a WINDOW menu? mare: I found it, thanks. lauram: great. lauram: ok - Now type something in the name like "happy" lauram: don't include the quotes Eileen: ok mare: ok Smeehan: ok lauram: I suggest names be in lower case lauram: also - please no spaces in these names lauram: sound familiar :-) Ina: ok lauram: Now fill in the value. What do you want your e-mail message to say if the person checks the box lauram: so I have put in "yes" in my value lauram: without the quotes Eileen: ok mare: ok Smeehan: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: the "checked" field lets you pick whether you want the checkbox to be checked when your reader first looks at your form. lauram: So you can select that or not as you prefer Smeehan: ok mare: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: Now we are done with the checkbox Wed Sep 22 18:30:35 1999 Eileen: not sure what you mean by first checked? lauram: click on the first readiobutton lauram: Eillen, when your reader first gives the URL for your form and sees it on the web Eileen: ok lauram: i.e. the default if your reader does nothing lauram: ok the trick with radiobuttons lauram: is that all the radiobuttons that go together have the same name lauram: so let's name this radiobutton "color" lauram: and give it a value of "white" Ina: That's how you can make two sets on the same line of a table that can be checked?!? lauram: no quotes in either of these or in the rest of this chat lauram: Yes Ina, the first set has one name lauram: and the second set has another lauram: now click on the second radiobutton lauram: give it the same name "color" lauram: give it a value of "black" Smeehan: ok MardeanB: Done mare: ok lauram: you can have long rows of radiobuttons this way lauram: but two is enough to get the idea across lauram: ok, nect click on your scrolled text field Ina: Neat! The light goes on.... Eileen: ok lauram: give it a name like "experience" lauram: these names arbitrary - you'll pick your own when you fo forms later lauram: You can decide how many rows and columns you want mare: ok lauram: let me know when you are done Smeehan: ok Eileen: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: Sherri - are you caught up? Ina: Okay Sherri: I'm not sure lauram: have you created a few items and named them and given them values? Sherri: I created a pg added radio buttons, Sherri: and a text box Sherri: I opened inspector Sherri: OK lauram: ok - now - every form needs a Submit button lauram: Can't submit without it. lauram: Add a submit button by clicking on the icon with the blue check MardeanB: ok mare: ok lauram: then add a reset button by clicking on the itemn with a red x Eileen: ok Sherri: ok Smeehan: ok lauram: the reset button is optional MardeanB: ok Eileen: set mare: super Smeehan: ok reset lauram: But if you have a form it is nice to allow the reader to clear all the fields with one button press - which is what the reset buttom does lauram: now we need to click on the submit button you created to get the inspector lauram: Name must be "submit" Sherri: ok MardeanB: ok lauram: label can be whatever you like Smeehan: ok lauram: "go for it" lauram: "submit" or something like that Smeehan: ok Ina: Laura--The submit & reset came up in front page when I added the first component. lauram: sounds fine Ina - you are doing well to translate and keep up at the same time! lauram: then click on the reset button Eileen: ok Sherri: I think that may have been my probelm Eileen: what/ Sherri: not "name" submit lauram: you can put whatever label you like on it. lauram: Yes - Sherri lauram: might depend on how the CGI works - but naming it submit is safest Sherri: Good Eileen: so why does it come to me as an unknown application? lauram: say label it "clear" Sherri: I have it lauram: Eileen - the way you are using - I don't think it gives the proper header info on the mail message to identify it as text instead of some other application file Eileen: what needs to change? lauram: can you all Save your form to myform.html lauram: always good to save periodically Smeehan: ok Eileen: ok Wed Sep 22 18:45:44 1999 MardeanB: ok Sherri: done mare: ok lauram: ok - next step is we have to tell the form what program to run when the user presses submit €€€ sdf has joined. €€€ sdf: I'm back lauram: To do this - click anywhere in your page €€€ sdf has changed nickname to Eileen2 €€€ lauram: Hi Eileen - you only missed our SAVING the file Ina: all set Eileen2: I'm saved lauram: after you click on your page (not on a form item) €€€ Eileen has quit saying: Ping timeout for Eileen[pm007-016.dialip.mich.com] €€€ €€€ Eileen2 has left. €€€ Sherri: ok lauram: in the inspector, click on the 3rd item at the top lauram: it looks like a scrolled text icon MardeanB: ok mare: got it lauram: for Action, fill in the URL for the script lauram: for our server, this should be €€€ Eileen has joined. €€€ Eileen: Having server problems Eileen: What is happening? Sherri: should be...? Smeehan: ok lauram: hello lauram: i'm back lauram: sorry - it was sending to the console instead of this window for a few minutes Eileen: ok Smeehan: ok lauram: oh - I understand Eileen: I've been gone and back twice! lauram: when I give the URL it thinks it is a command lauram: I'll try this way Smeehan: tricky lauram: slash cgi-bin/genmail.cgi lauram: there lauram: no space between the slash and the cgi-bin Eileen: I'm missing something...what is this? lauram: it is a forward slash just like the second one lauram: ok Eileen. lauram: Click in your pagemill window anywhere not on a form item Eileen: ok Ina: Laura--I don't believe I have an "inspector" and can't locate anything similiar. Any suggestions?....If you don't know, I'll just listen and try to find later. lauram: then in the inspector, click on the 3rd icon which looks like a scrolled text Eileen: ok lauram: Eileen - then for the action fill in /cgi-bin/genmail.cgi Smeehan: ok Sherri: Done. Hit return too? lauram: not sure Ina - how do you usually change properties of things - like how thick a line is lauram: don't need to hit return lauram: for the method - you must select POST Ina: I'll try form properties--I saw that. lauram: Ina - I can tell you how to do it in source code if you can't find it. It's easy Smeehan: ok lauram: ok, now add whatever text you would like in your PageMill window. mare: Is this the code for fnal ONLY? Eileen: ok lauram: The URL for the CGI script is fnal-only lauram: The process of creating and naming fields is same for all mare: ok, so my own server would be something else, right? Eileen: Where are we adding the txt in page mill? Sherri: Why not use the "mailto: our e-mail accounts? lauram: yes. You would need a "formmail" type CGI on their server lauram: Sherri - you can do that. lauram: The e-mail sent with results does not look very nice Sherri: How would we get the results of our forms from fnal? Eileen: missing something...Where am I putting this text? lauram: hell=yes&goodbye=no&there=people lauram: sorry that was supposed to be hello lauram: I am answering Sherri lauram: Sherri - that is what your results look like with the mailto approach lauram: This will look nicer Sherri: ok mare: Ok, we believe you. lauram: Also - Eileen's mail had trouble with that approach as you told me. lauram: ok Eileen Eileen: worked with MAC not PC Sherri: I was just guessing, I believe you too lauram: This text we are adding is just extra text in the file for the viewer mare: ok Eileen: under the submit box? lauram: You may want to add "happy: " before the checkbox lauram: "color:" before the radiobuttons lauram: experience: before the text field Wed Sep 22 19:00:47 1999 lauram: this is just for the reader to know what they are entering lauram: It doesn't do anything for the CGI program Eileen: I get it... a light went on! Sherri: like labels or directions lauram: great - yes. MardeanB: Done! lauram: ok perfect. We are done with part one right on time €€€ Jan has joined. €€€ mare: Super lauram: Hi Jan. Welcome. Jan: Hi everyone! lauram: We are just about to start part 2 Sherri: How do we get our results from your server? mare: Yes, results? lauram: please bring up your PageMill on the form you have ready to use. lauram: ok - please save your file to myfile.html lauram: oops - Jan cancel that lauram: Ok. Now you should be able to quit pagemill after you have saved lauram: please open your file in SimpleText if you have a Mac and WordPad if you have a PC mare: Is this direction for everyone? Sherri: Which file? the one we just created? lauram: Yes - the one you just created and saved. lauram: exit PageMill first lauram: You don't want to edit the file two ways at the same time :-( lauram: Also bring up your web browser Sherri: Everything is in code mare: this is gonna be a challenge, 3 windows??? Smeehan: okay I have "myform.html" opened in simpletext. Eileen: ok open lauram: yes. Sherri: Browser open Smeehan: browser open mare: If you lose me, it means I froze.... lauram: ok. Sherri: ok mare mare: I'm there so far, ok. lauram: should be ok - Chat and simpletext don't take much memory lauram: that is the reason for not using PageMill for this part lauram: Ok - go to the URL Sherri: good thinking! Sherri: which mare: ok the cgi-bin, etc one? lauram: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml lauram: No - not the CGI - If you give the CGI as the URL it will try to run the program without any form input lauram: it will not work lauram: The CGI is run by pressing submit on the form mare: I don't see where we put http.... etc. lauram: sorry - in your browser - I am asking you to go to a web page that has documentation Eileen: found it mare: ok Sherri: not available Smeehan: ok i think lauram: do you have docs plural Sherri lauram: do you have hyphen between www and ed Sherri: yes lauram: can you copy and paste Sherri: no mare: you can cut and paste the URL from the chat screen lauram: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml Eileen: I can just click on it from chat Sherri: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%0Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml Sherri: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%0Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml%Dhttp://www-ed.fnal.gov/docs/genmail.shtml lauram: Sherri - erase everything from your location field lauram: Just put the URL once lauram: ok - others Sherri: done mare: I'm there. lauram: Do you see the line starting with
lauram: That's perfect Stephen. Smeehan: is that correct? Smeehan: ok lauram: The PC people may not have been so lucky Wed Sep 22 19:15:56 1999 mare: same on mine Sherri: yep me too and form by itself at the bottom mare: right Eileen: I'm missing the word "post lauram: Ok - the next step is COPY and PASTE the line starting lauram: Smeehan: ok lauram: as Sherri bounds to the finish line - we are not there yet! mare: we are to copy from web page to text file, right? lauram: just that one line for now Sherri: i only have it on my clipboard lauram: starting with statement Eileen: I need to watch...lost something but not much Sherri: where? Sherri: after the form action=? lauram: What we are doing now is filling in some "hidden" fields that tell the form where we want it to go lauram: Yes Sherri, you've got it lauram: after the line, press return and then copy the other line Sherri: and leave the cgi-bin intact? lauram: Your FORM line should look exactly like this lauram: lauram: Then press return lauram: Then copy in the line that says lauram: lauram: Then press return lauram: instead of the darkstar@imsa.edu - put your own e-mail address Eileen: I think I pasted it right... lauram: good Eileen - It's better to copy and paste lauram: otherwise it's too easy to make typos and the text has to be exact. The computer is picky :-) Eileen: I understand the idea...We are putting in our information into the standard form mare: I have something after /genmail.cgi" that says ENCYTYPE=... so I put " on the form statement Eileen: I'm worried about spaces...they may gum things mare: yes, ok lauram: the next statment must go after that ">" lauram: Eileen, spaces between things don't matter lauram: unless they are in the middle of words mare: Yes, the < and > begin and end the tags MardeanB: Whew! - I think I got it all lauram: ok - Do the same with the next line Eileen: I'm with you...at least until the test! Sherri: this is from myform.html lauram: put it as the next line lauram: You get to say who the mail looks like it is coming from lauram: so the example says nobody@fnal.gov lauram: but you could put your or someoneelse's e-mail in lauram: This is just for convenience for mail filing or for REPLYing lauram: Ok - I think you can read through the rest and add those lines lauram: and just ask me questions lauram: For the mail subject - you get to decide what the subject line of the message will be. mare: so, am I right in adding these one after another in my text? lauram: Yes Mary. mare: got it lauram: For the "REQUIRED" statement - you get to decide if any of the items are required lauram: If they are required, they will not let the user submit the form if the user has not filled those items in. Smeehan: So we just select the input lines that seem appropriat and paste them in one at a time? lauram: You can choose all fields or no fields to be required. lauram: list the field names with one space between each name. lauram: Choose the first required line if you wannt to make some fields required lauram: Choose the second required line if you want to make nothing required. lauram: Don't include both Wed Sep 22 19:31:04 1999 lauram: That will be the last line you need to copy and paste lauram: You do not need the two text fields at the bottom and you already should have a submit button lauram: Mary - if you do this on another server with another CGI program - You should be able to use the same form lauram: but you'll have to put in new "hidden" fields lauram: and a new "action" mare: ok lauram: So it shouldn't be a lot of work to convert. lauram: The fields are called hidden because they don't show to the reader. lauram: When you are done, save your file, upload it into your project folder, open the URL with your browser, and press the submit button. lauram: I'll be here for questions. Sherri: OK, I think. *-| Eileen: No keeping up but I have some of it...got confused at the required ... Eileen: all I need to do is out the required line in? €€€ Marguerit has joined. €€€ Sherri: So these hidden fields make it required for certain input by the user? lauram: Welcome Marguerite! lauram: Eileen, the last line you need to put in is the required line lauram: pick one of the two Marguerit: Hello. Sorry I just got here. Eileen: I guess I wondered if I need to replace any wording except email? lauram: subsititute your field names in for the sample ones if you are making some fields required Sherri: I see. Eileen: That is the problem...field names? refers to??? lauram: You could replace "mail_from mail_subject" with lauram: "happy color experience" lauram: because those were the field names used Sherri: oops Eileen: half way there lauram: Sherri - the NAME="required" line lets you pick which fields in your form should be required. Sherri: so, I could leave that alone and simply use the "subject" and mailto:? Eileen: I know what fields are Where did they get the words "mail_from mail_subject" lauram: That's just an example Smeehan: Laura I chose save as. I sent it to the server and opend the document and none of the buttons or boxes were there. although the text I wrote infront of them were visible. Did i miss something. lauram: Stephen, I'll check - what folder did you upload to Smeehan: http://www-ed.fnal.gov/help/meehan_nolan/myform.html Eileen: I'm going to try that...I have been following directions just not sure why? and pretty sure I missed something...Will try now to save and upload lauram: ok, checking ... mare: same thing happened to me, I don't have a folder so I did it locally. mare: text we copied and pasted appears, I do get all my other objects to appear. lauram: Mary - you can't do it locally. lauram: It expects the CGI program to be on your compyter then. lauram: you can upload to your mwarren folder. Smeehan: I see I have to subject inputs I will remove one of them. mare: ok got it. Sherri: When I put myform it showed up in code Sherri: Do we have to open our editied myfom.html in pagemill then upload? Sherri: hey! wait Sherri: Eileen orver wrote my file lauram: Do not open your edited form in Pagemill Wed Sep 22 19:46:07 1999 Sherri: I guess I will add a 2 to myform2.html Sherri: ok Sherri: I am looking at eileen's form. I can see her e-mail Sherri: address lauram: Stephen - yours is working for me. Eileen: my is a muck...as I knew it would. When I missed something,,,I fell behind..I need to sort it out without following the conversation Eileen: I think I understand the concept and I know how to read html lauram: I removed the spaces betweeb < and the tags lauram: Everyone may need to do this lauram: It should read Sherri: will do lauram: instead of < FORM ... /cgi-bin/genmail.cgi > lauram: see the extra spaces after < and before > lauram: remove the similar spaces in your other tags Eileen: better this time...but needs work on the submit button http://www-ed.fnal.gov/lincon/w99/projects/multiple/myform.html lauram: i.e. , I get a good form for yours. lauram: checkout myform3.html in your same folder - Stephen. lauram: No Eileen, Do not load the form in Pagemill lauram: upload it to the server lauram: Then give the URL for the page to your web browser Sherri: It worked Laura! Sherri: removing the spaces...I mean mare: I lost my submit button, will check thisout... lauram: Hooray!!! lauram: That's ok Mary - you can just add one in simpletext lauram: an example is on the documentaion web page Jan: I sent a sample form and the screen showed me what I submitted. Does that mean it worked? Eileen: I did that already laura and founf the submit button gone...now I put it pack on the page... Eileen: uploaded it and it wenty to fermi (with errors...) Eileen: This is all part of m learning curve...I'm close but now need to look at all the tags Eileen: and I have a secret weapon...Sherri got it! so I can get her to trouble shoot Sherri: MAIL from failed. Syntax error - parameters or arguments. lauram: Jan - did you put your e-mail address in? Sherri: think again eileen Sherri: Yes lauram: Jan - check your e-mail. Eileen: opps I spoke too soon...Sherri didn;t get it all...but at least it went to her mailbox! Sherri: nope it never was sent lauram: Stephen - Did you get an e-mail from my test. It says "hi stephen" Smeehan: Okay, I have removed all of the spaces from before the input and now the input lines are hidden and all the check and radio items are there. Smeehan: I will check Jan: Got the e-mail! However, every word is on a separate line followed by a colon-- I have to figure that out! Smeehan: Yes Laura I got your mail. Thanks. lauram: Yeah! lauram: Yes Jan - that is how it works lauram: It returns each line with lauram: fieldname: value lauram: So it should say lauram: happy: yes lauram: color: white Jan: This returns each word with a colon and on a separate line lauram: experience: whatever_you_typed_in Smeehan: bye! lauram: Is that what you see? €€€ Smeehan has left. €€€ Jan: What: rnrndid: rnrnyou: rnrnexpect: rnrnto: rnrnlearn: rnrntoday?: Jan: It looks like this! Wed Sep 22 20:01:16 1999 Jan: Wait, I have an idea Eileen: my form is looking better but still submits to fnal...http://www-ed.fnal.gov/lincon/w99/projects/multiple/myform.html Sherri: I just e-mailed you my simpletext file Eileen: any suggestions? lauram: Ok, Eileen, I will look at yours Ina: Thanks everyone....nice to hear from all of you again. Goodnight. Jan: Ok, it works! Jan: Thanks for the help! €€€ Ina has quit saying: Ina €€€ mare: Thanks Laura, I think I need to play with this some more, this was my first attempt. Eileen: Thanks...i enjoyed it...Was it a nightmare for you>??? lauram: Great Jan!! Sherri: Thanks Laura Marguerit: Hello and good bye to all. mare: I appreciate you inviting me and enjoyed it much. lauram: Eileen - you have 3 problems lauram: Mary - did yours work? Sherri: I need to work on this some more MardeanB: I think I got it! lauram: your e-mail adress looks wrong Eileen Eileen: ok mare: Not yet, I will play with it, but I think I know what's wrong, at least with the submit button... lauram: Hooray Mardean! Great Sherri: so, I'll probably e-mail you again later; if it is OK with you mare: Thanks again, see you all later. lauram: Your SUBMIT button needs to be named "submit" Sherri: bye lauram: Ok Mary. Good to see you. Sherri: i'm still here mare: Yes, I can see that I accidently erased it, bye. lauram: Sherri - I'll work with Eileen, then she can help you. mare: See you all later... MardeanB: Thanks, Laura, for your help -- it's all becoming clearer now. Eileen: ok €€€ mare has left. €€€ Sherri: OK. I will not e-mail you then. Eileen: I know I need time to play... Sherri: I really got a lot out of this session. Thank you Laura Eileen: Bye for now lauram: Eileen if you make those two changes - it should work. MardeanB: Bye, all -- was good to "see" all again lauram: bye mardean - thanks for stopping by, €€€ MardeanB has left. €€€ Sherri: by all! Thanks so very much €€€ Sherri has left. €€€ Eileen: bye €€€ Eileen has left. €€€ Jan: Will there be a log of the chat for next week? lauram: Eileen - talk to you on Friday. lauram: I will make a log of both this week and next Jan: Thanks for everything! See you on the net... lauram: Ok Jan - glad it worked. What did you fix? Marguerit: did it. it goes into graphics? Jan: I used underlines between my words on the form. Before I had spaces-- my fault! lauram: ok - glad it was something simple. Have a great week. Jan: Thanks and Bye! €€€ Jan has left. €€€ Marguerit: I think it sounds ok. It always sounds easier than when you do it though. lauram: You can e-mail questions ... lauram: you asked me about contests? lauram: [a long time ago :-( Marguerit: Thanks. How is everything at Fermi? - Yes I remember about the contests. . . lauram: you can enter your project in some contests - but it depends on the contest. lauram: basically - let me know what contest it is and I will ask our lawyers to look at the fine print. Marguerit: I have put up a bulletin board outside my classroom with all the pictures I took out ther and will have students do research on various related topics. -- lauram: The work needs to be freely available because tax payers have already sponsored your work. lauram: Don't let this discourage you. lauram: We have already had a bunch of people enter and win some contests lauram: !! Marguerit: OK. I don't know about which contests. I did read something that AOL put out and it looked like mine would fit. lauram: So I just need to make sure the contest organization does not wannt to own your work end details like that Wed Sep 22 20:16:24 1999 lauram: that's fine. when your ready, just send me the URL for conference info and I will look into it. Marguerit: I think that anything that I entered would probably fit that criteria HMMM I would have to check on the owning part as well. I didn't think about that. lauram: It's exciting when people enter contests. lauram: The lawyers still need to look at the rules since I'm not a lawyer. lauram: So - Thanks for coming. Hope to see you next week. lauram: Any questions? Marguerit: Thanks so much for your help :) I will definitely let you know before I enter. Hope to see you next week. I may have a conflict though. I will ask Saundra if she can attend and save form me if she can. Talk to you soon. lauram: ok have a great week. lauram: bye Marguerit: No questions for now. Have a good nigth. Marguerit: bye €€€ Marguerit has left. €€€ Capture stopped on Wed Sep 22 20:30:15 1999