THE THIRD CATEGORY OF THREE MILLION PLUS ARE THOSE AT-RISK
           KIDS. WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST
           LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE. SO, MR. PRESIDENT, AT SOME POINT, AT
           SOME POINT, I WILL BE JOINING MY FRIEND, THE SENATOR FROM UTAH,
           THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, TO INTRODUCE AN AMENDMENT IN THE

           NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE, ACTUALLY, THAT MAKES, I THINK, THE
           NECESSARY CORRECTIONS AND A BILL THAT'S ALREADY MADE SOME
           PROGRESS -- ON A BILL THAT'S ALREADY MADE SOME PROGRESS. AGAIN,
           PLMS, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN
           FOR THE LAST 15
           
           YEARS: A TRIAL LAWYER WITH WHOM I USED TO PRACTICE USED TO
           ALWAYS STY A JURY, "KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL." THE PROSECUTION
           IS GOING TO GET UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THIS, THIS,
           AND THIS ABOUT THE DEFENDANT. THE QUESTION IS, DID THE
           DEFENDANT PULL THE TRIGGER?

           KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL. WELL, I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST IN THIS
           DEBATE, WE KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO
           ABOUT THOSE 115,000 VERY VIOLENT KIDS IN AMERICA?
           WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ABOUT THAT 680,000 WHO ARE IN THE CRIME
           STREAM BUT HAVE NOT COMMITTED CRIMES OF VIOLENCE BUT ARE OR THE EDGE?
           AND WHAT ARE WE GOING DO ABOUT THOSE THREE MILLION KIDS ROUGHLY
           WHO ARE ON THE EDGE ABOUT TO SLIP INTO THE CRIME STREAM?
           I'LL CONCLUDE BY SAYING, MR. PRESIDENT, THE THING WE REALLY
           HAVE TO DO, THE PROBLEM THAT STILL EXISTS BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE

           TO DEAL WITH HERE, AND BEYOND GUNS AND BEYOND PREVENTION, WHICH
           I, THE HATCH-BIDEN SUBSTITUTE PUTS A LOT MORE MONEY IN FOR
           SUBSTITUTE, WHAT WE REALLY HAVE TO DO, MR. PRESIDENT, IS DEAL
           WITH THE DRUG PROBLEM IN AMERICA. I USED -- I SAID TO YOU
           BEFORE THAT WE KNEW AND WE LEARNED IN THE EARLY 1980'S, IF YOU
           WERE ABLE TO TAKE THE 6% OF THE CAREER CRIMINALS IN AMERICA AND
           REMOVE THEM BY AN ACT OF GOD FROM THE SCENE, VIOLENT CRIME IN

           AMERICA WOULD DROP OVER 50%. NOBODY DISPUTES THAT NOW. WELL, I
           RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST TO YOU, IF ANYONE OF YOU IN HERE COULD
           HAVE ONE WISH -- ONE WISH -- THAT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER
           YOUTH VIOLENCE IN AMERICA, ASK GOD TO COME DOWN AND TAKE
           ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE OUT OF THE SYSTEM. IF DID YOU THAT ONE
           THING, NOTHING ELSE, YOU WOULD AFFECT THE COURSE OF JUVENILE

           JUSTICE IN AMERICA MORE THAN ANYTHING WE COULD DO. NOW,
           OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO THAT, MR. PRESIDENT. BUT AS I SAID YEARS
           AGO WHEN I INTRODUCED THE FIRST BILL, THERE'S THREE THINGS WE
           HAVE
           
           TO DO: ONE, DEAL WITH ADULT CRIME AND PARTICULARLY FOCUSING ON
           VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN. THEN, TWO, WE GOT TO GO FIX THE
           JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. THEN, THREE, WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH
           THE DRUG PROBLEM. THERE ARE THE THREE PIECES. IT HASN'T
           CHANGED. IT HANG CHANGED. SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES, AS THIS

           DEBATE GETS UNDERWAY, KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL DON'T. TRY TO
           REINVENT THE WHEEL. LOOK AT WHAT'S WORKING. STICK WITH WHAT'S
           WORKING. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU DON'T TRY NEW IDEAS. BUT
           LET'S STICK WITH WHAT'S WORKING. AND, BY THE WAY, I WOULD POINT
           OUT THAT THE VERY PEOPLE WHO NOW ARE ALL FOR JUVENILE BRADY,
           WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL THING IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL I
           INTRODUCED, ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST -- WHO WERE
           AGAINST THE BRADY BILL BEFORE. SO THERE IS PROGRESS, THERE IS
           HOPE HERE. BRADY MADE A DIFFERENCE. THESE OTHER THINGS MADE A
           DINS. I YIELD FOR A QUESTION.
           

           MRS. BOXER: WILL THE SENATOR YIELD FOR A QUESTION?
           BIDE BILD BE HAPPY TO.
           

           MRS. BOXER: I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. THE SENATOR AND I
           HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR A VERY LONG TIME ABOUT AFTER-SCHOOL
           PROGRAMS, AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE HATCH-BIDEN
           AMENDMENT. I'M VERY GLAD THE FWO OF YOU WERE ABLE TO WORK
           SOMETHING OUT WITH A BIPARTISAN THRUST TO IT. COULD YOU CLARIFY
           FOR ME THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU BOTH HAVE AGREED TO REGARDING THE
           BLOCK GRANTS AND SETTING ASIDE 25% FOR PREVENTION?
           AND WOULD AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS FIT INTO THAT DEFINITION THAT

           YOU'VE GOT IN THE BILL?
           
           

           MR. BIDEN: IN THE INTEREST OF TIME -- AND I'LL BE BRIEF BECAUSE
           WE'LL DO THAT WHEN THE AMENDMENT COMES UP; AND I AM HAPPY TO
           ANSWER THE SENATOR'S QUESTION -- THERE ARE FOUR BLOCK GRANTS IN
           THIS BILL, THE ONE OF WHICH THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM UTAH
           HAS AGREED TO MAKE AN ALTERATION, IS THE PROVISION FOR 4 -- FOR
           $450 MILLION THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR UP TO 25% -- $113 MILLION
           THAT HAVE WILL NOW BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR AFTER-SCHOOL
           PROGRAMS, FOR DRUG TREATMENT PROGRAMS AND/OR FOR ANY PROGRAM

           THAT IS DESIGNED TO DEAL WITH THAT CADRE OF KID WHOSE FROM THE
           TIME THE SCHOOL
           
           BELL RINGS AT 2:30 UNTIL THEY GO INTO A SUPERVISED SITUATION
           
           AT 6:00 OR 7:00 AT DINNER COMMIT THE MAJORITY OF THE CRIMES
           THAT ARE COMMITTED BY YOUNG PEOPLE. BUT THERE'S TWO OTHER
           PROVISIONS OF THE BILL TO BE FAIR TO THE BILL. THERE ARE TWO
           OTHER BLOCK GRANTS OF $200 MILLION APIECE, AND THOSE TWO ALLOW
           MONEY TO BE USED FOR PREVENTION IN AFTER-SCHOOL PRAFMS BUT AS I
           TOLD THE SENATOR, I HAPPEN TO THINK IN THE ORIGINAL BILL THAT I

           INTRODUCED TWO YEARS AGO THAT WAS JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL THAT
           HAD A NUMBER OF COSPONSORS AND THE LEADERSHIP BILL, I THINK WE
           SHOULD BE SPENDING CLOSER TO $1 BILLION -- $1 BILLION -- ON
           THIS PREVENTION NOTION, AFTER-SCHOOL. AS MY MOTHER WOULD SAY,
           FROM THE TIME SHE WAS A KID -- I WENT TO A CATHOLIC GRADE
           SCHOOL AND THE NUNS USED TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUNS GOT IT
           FROM MY MOTHER OR MY MOTHER GOT IT FROM THE NUNS. YOU USED TO

           ALWAYS HEAR "AN IDLE MIND IS A DEVIL'S WORKSHOP." GIVE A KID NO
           SUPERVISION FROM
           
           2:30 IN THE AFTERNOON UNTIL DINNERTIME AND I PROMISE YOU -- I
           PROMISE YOU -- GOOD KIDS ARE GOING TO GET INTO TROUBLE AND BAD
           KIDS ARE GOING TO DO VERY BAD THINGS. AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ROCKET
           SCIENCE. THIS IS A WAY THAT WE SHOULD BE -- WE SHOULD BE DOING
           MUCH MORE. I WILL SUPPORT GREATER ATTEMPTS. I UNDERSTAND THE
           SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA, WHO HAS BEEN FOCUSED VERY MUCH ON A
           CONGRESS CONGRESSWOMAN AND NOW ALSO HERE AS A SENATOR, ON
           DEALING WITH AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS. IF YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT

           IT A MINUTE -- AGAIN, IF YOU COULD WAVE A WONDGZ $WAND -- I
           WOULD GET ALL THOSE SCHOOL BOARD AND SCHOOL DISTRICT WHOSE SAY
           -- AND THEY DO -- CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN, I'D GET
           THEM TO HAVE BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, CHEERLEADERING, CHESS,
           GIRLS' FIELD HOCKEY, LACROSSE -- I'D GET THEM TO HAVE THOSE
           PROGRAMS FOR EVERY JUNIOR HIGH IN AMERICA. ALMOST NO JUNIOR
           HIGH IN AMERICA HAS THOSE PROGRAMS. YOU WANT TO SPEND MONEY,
           YOU WANT TO KEEP KIDS OUT OF TROUBLE -- LOOK, THIS ISN'T HARD.
           THIS ISN'T HARD. THE PEOPLE IN THE GALLERY KNOW IT. THEY

           UNDERSTAND IT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT. AND WHY DON'T
           WE UNDERSTAND IT?
           WHY DON'T THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES UNDERSTAND IT?
           WELL, IT'S HARD TO TELL PEOPLE YOU ARE REAL ESTATE GOING TO
           RAISE THEIR TAXES IN ORDER TO DO THIS. AND THE OTHER THING THAT
           BILL DOES WITH THE HELP OF SENATOR PHIL GRAMM AND BOB BYRD,
           WHEN THE BIDEN CRIME BILL PASSED IN 1994, WE SET UP A VIOLENT
           CRIME TRUST FUND. WE FIRED -- WE LET OFF -- WE LET GO 300,000
           FEDERAL WORKERS. UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE THE

           SMALLEST FEDERAL WORK FORCE SINCE JOHN KENNEDY WAS PRESIDENT.
           BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE DID WITH THAT -- I KNOW THE SENATOR KNOWS
           THIS -- WHAT WE DID WITH THAT MONEY IS WE TOOK THE PAYCHECK
           THAT USED TO GO TO THE PERSON WORKING AT THE I.R.S. OR THE
           DEPENDENT OF ENERGY OR WHENEVER, WHEN THEY LEFT OFFICE, WHEN
           THEY LEFT THEIR JOB, WE DIDN'T REHIGHER PEOPLE. WE REDUCED THE
           FORT. WE PUT THEIR PAYCHECK IN THE TRUST FUND. IT CAN ONLY BE
           USED FOR CRIME. THIS EXTENDS THE TRUST FUND TO THE YEAR 2005.
           BECAUSE I WOULD SAY TO MY FRIEND, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS

           THAT ARE WORTH SPENDING MONEY ON -- EDUCATION, DEFENSE -- BUT I
           CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING MORE FUNDAMENTAL THAN TAKING THE
           STREETS BACK AND GIVING OUR KIDS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH
           TOLY.
           
           SO, THERE'S TWO THINGS WE DO: WE ADD PREVENTION MONEY AS A
           PERMISSIBLE USE, WE EARMARK IT, IT ADDS UP ONLY TO $113
           MILLION, IT, AS PART OF THE OTHER $400 MILLION THAT'S IN THIS
           BILL THAT CAN BE USED FOR PREVENTION -- BUT NIFIKTS EA SHORT OF
           WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING

           THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA WHEN SHE DELISE MORE FOR
           AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS.
           

           MRS. BOXER: I WOULD JUST SAY BECAUSE I KNOW SENATOR WELLSTONE
           HAS BEEN WAITING
           
           SINCE 9:30, AGAIN THANK YOU AGAIN TO MY FRIEND FROM DELAWARE.
           WE -- I'M VERY HAPPY HE'S GOING TO SUPPORT AN AMENDMENT.
           BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS WE'RE SPEND $200 MILLION A YEAR ON
           AFTER-SCHOOL. AND THIS ADMINISTRATION DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT.
           THAT'S UP FROM $40 MILLION. BUT GUESS HOW MANY APPLICATIONS
           CAME IN I SAY TO MY FRIEND?
           ANOTHER 500 MILLION, 600 MILLION ON TOP OF THE $200 MILLION. SO
           WE HAVE A VERY BIG VOID TO FILL. AND AS MY FRIEND SAID, THAT'S

           WHEN THE CRIME HAPPENS, AFTER AFTERSCHOOL. THEIFY HAS SHOWN
           THAT US TO. SO I THINK FOR THIS BILL -- THE F.B.I. HAS SHOWN
           THAT TO US. SO OWE I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO TO PREVENTION AND
           MODEST GUN CONTROL MEASURES AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING
           WITH MY FRIENDS ON ALL OF THESE MATTERS.
           

           MR. BIDEN: AT SOME POINT WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE, WHEN THE
           DISTINGUISHED CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE DECIDES WIBEDE
           INTRODUCE OUR AMENDMENT, WE WILL BE DOING T I THANK HIM FOR
           REACHING OUT AS HE DOES. IF HASN'T BEEN EASY FOR HIM TO BE ABLE
           DO THIS. I LOOK FORWARD AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS ENTIRE BILL
           BEING A BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS. I YIELD THE FLOOR.
           

           MR. HATCH: MR. PRESIDENT, I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINGUISHED
           SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA WAS ABOUT TO TAKE THE FLOOR AND THEN
           WE'LL YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROMFUL F I WOULD --
           DOES THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA WANT TO SPEAK
           BEFORE LUNCH SOMETIME IN
           

           MRS. BOXER: NO, I CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER LUNCHES.
           

           MR. HATCH: THEN I WOULD SUGGEST AFTER THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR
           FROM MINNESOTA COMPLETES HIS REMARKS, WE RECESS FOR THE POLICY
           MEETINGS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
           
           

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: IS THERE OBJECTION TO THE SENATOR'S --
           

           MR. WELLSTONE: MR. PRESIDENT, RESERVING THE RIGHT TO OBJECT, I
           COULDN HEAR THE FIRST PART OF WHAT THE SENATOR FROM UTAH SAID.
           THE SENATOR FROM FLORIDA HAS MADE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FOR FOUR
           OR FIVE MINUTES RIGHT NOW. THEN I WOULD FOLLOW HIM. IS THAT
           PART --
           

           MR. HATCH: THAT'S RIGHT. THEN YOU WOULD BE THE LAST SPEAKER
           BEFORE THE POLICY MEETING OF BOTH PARTIES.
           

           MRS. BOXER: RESERVING THE RIGHT TO OBJECT, I WONDER IF FRIEND
           COULD EXPAND THAT TO INCLUDE A LIST ON OUR SIDE -- SENATOR
           SCHUMER AND SENATOR BOXER. IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT TH A
           LITTLE BROADER SO WE KNOW FORECERTAIN THAT WE COME BACK HERE
           AFTER LUNCH WE CAN TALK ON THIS BILL?
           
           

           MR. HATCH: I AM HOPING AFTER LUNCH THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO
           START ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE
           THE SENATORS AS THEY COME TO THE FLOOR.
           

           MRS. BOXER: SO, WHAT WE FRIEND IS SAYING IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE
           TO -- WE COULD SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THE
           AMENDMENT. IS IT POSSIBLE TO LINE NEWSPAPER THAT WAY?
           
           

           MR. HATCH: OF COURSE IT IS.
           

           MRS. BOXER: SO I WOULD ASK --
           

           MR. HATCH: WE'LL TRY TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THE FLOOR.
           

           MRS. BOXER: WELL, I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT -- I WOULD ADD
           TO THAT. THAT THE SPEAKERS TO BE DECIDED ON HIS SIDE OF THE
           AISLE, SENATOR HATCH, AND ON OUR SIDE OF THE AISLE, IT WILL BE
           SENATORS SCHUMER AND BOXER IN THAT ORDER, AFTER LUNCH. AND WE'D
           ADD THAT TO THE -- TIRX
           

           MR. HAH: WOULD THE SENATOR WITHHOLD UNTIL AFTER WE'VE OFFERED
           AN AMENDMENT?
           
           

           MRS. BOXER: ABSOLUTELY.
           

           MR. HATCH: I MEAN, AFTER WE'VE OFFERED AN AMENDMENT AND THEN
           WE'LL WORK OUT A -- WE'LL AGREE THAT WHEN WE GET INTO A --
           WE'LL WORK IT OUT.
           

           THE PRESIDING OFFICER: IS THERE OBJECTION TO THE ORIGINAL
           REQUEST?
           SEEING NO OBJECTION, SO ORDERED ORDERED. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES
           THE SENATOR FROM FLORIDA.
           

           MR. MACK: FIRXL I WANT TO THANK SENATOR WELLSTONE FOR HIS
           INDULGING ME, ALLOWING ME TO GO BEFORE HIM. HE'S BEEN WAITING
           FOR SOMETIME AND MY COMMENTS ARE ON AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
           SUFMBIT SO I THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THAT INDULGENCE. MR.
           PRESIDENT, I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE FINALLY TAX FREEDOM DAY HAS
           ARRIVED. THE DAY THE AVERAGE AMERICAN HAS EARNED ENOUGH INCOME
           TO COVER HIS OR HER FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL TAXES FOR THE
           YEAR. ONLY TODAY AFTER ONE-THIRD OF THE YEAR HAS ALREADY PASSED
           HAVE OUR WORKING MEN AND WOMEN EARNED ANOTHER MONEY TO PAY

           THEIR TAXES FOR THE YEAR. THIS IS TRULY AMAZING. IRTS EA ALSO
           TRULY WRONG. -- IT'S ALSO TRULY WRONG. TAX FREEDOM DAY HAS
           MOVED SUCCESSIVELY LATER IN THE YEAR YEAR, AS THE FEDERAL
           GOVERNMENT SEEKS TO CLAIM A LARGER PORTION OF THE FAMILY
           INCOME. SINCE 1993, FEDERAL TAX REVENUES HAVE GROWN 52% FASTER
           THAN PERSONAL INCOME GROWTH AND LAST YEAR ALONE FEDERAL
           REVENUES GREW 80% FASTER THAN PERSONAL INCOME. FLORIDA'S TAX
           FREEDOM DAY IS EVEN LATER. FLORIDIANS WILL NOT FINISH EARNING

           ENOUGH TO PAY THEIR TAXES FOR THE YEAR UNTIL FRIDAY, MAY 14.
           THEY ALSO SHOULDER THE FIFTHS-HEAVIEST TOTAL TAX BURDEN IN THE
           COUNTRY. IN 1999, FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE
           PROJECTED TO COLLECT AN AVERAGE OF $10,298 IN TAX REVENUE FOR
           EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTRY. THIS YEAR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
           WILL COLLECT MORE TAX REVENUE AS A SHARE OF G.D.P. -- OF GROSS
           DOMESTIC PRODUCT -- THAT'S 20.7% -- THAN AT ANY TIME SINCE
           1994. THIS IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN PEACETIME HISTORY. IF THAT

           ISN'T ENOUGH TO PUT THE HUGE FEDERAL TAX TAKE INTO PERSPECTIVE,
           LET ME SHARE WITH YOU A FEW EXAMPLES ON JUST HOW MUCH TAXES
           IMPEDE OUR FREEDOM EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. I BROUGHT WITH ME A
           DAILY TAX CLOCK TO ILLUSTRATE JUST HOW MANY DIFFERENT TIMES WE
           ARE TAXED IN WAYS WE MAY NOT EVEN REALIZE. THINK ABOUT THE
           DIFFERENT THINGS YOU DO IN THE COURSE OF YOUR AVERAGE DAY.
           PLANNING YOUR FAMILY'S SUMMER VACATION -- 40% -- 40% OF THE

           COST OF AN AIRLINE TICKET IS TAXES -- 40% OF THE COST OF THAT
           AIRLINE TICKET IS TAXES. WILL YOU DRIVE TO AND FROM WORK?
           54% OF THE PRICE AFTER GALLON OF GASOLINE IS TAXES.
{END: 1999/05/11 TIME: 12-15 , Tue.  106TH SENATE, FIRST SESSION}