SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA
AFDLOX 400 AM PDT SAT OCT 4 2003
.SHORT TERM...UPPER LOW THAT WAS OVER NEVADA YESTERDAY IS OVER THE
FOUR CORNERS THIS MORNING WITH WEAK RIDGING OVER SRN CA. ALL AS
EXPECTED. SATELLITE SHOWS AREAS OF LOW CLOUDS ALONG THE COAST NORTH OF
PT CONCEPTION...BUT THE COAST SOUTH OF PT CONCEPTION IS MOSTLY CLEAR
AT THIS TIME. THIS WAS NOT EXPECTED. BASICALLY...WE LOST THE STRONG
EDDY CIRCULATION THAT GAVE US THE CLOUDS MOST OF YESTERDAY. IN FACT...
YESTERDAY EVENING YOU COULD SEE THE EDDY ON THE SATELLITE DATA
SLIPPING TO THE SOUTH AS THE SKIES CLEARED. ANOTHER EDDY IS TRYING TO
SPIN UP...BUT IT IS VERY WEAK. LATEST ACARS DATA OUT OF LAX SHOWS A
GOOD MARINE INVERSION STILL HOLDING AT 2500 TO 3000 FT. AND SATELLITE
DATA DOES SHOW SOME NORTHWARD MOVEMENT OF THE MARINE LAYER CLOUDS THAT
ARE CURRENTLY OVER THE SAN PEDRO CHANNEL. SO LOW CLOUDS ARE STILL A
DISTINCT POSSIBILITY AND ARE IN THE FORECAST FOR THE COASTAL SECTIONS
OF LA AND VENTURA COUNTIES. HOWEVER...IF THEY DON'T FILL IN SOON...
YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE AN UPDATE BEFORE SUNRISE REDUCING THE CLOUD
COVER OVER THE COASTS. AS FOR THE FOG THIS MORNING...MANY STATIONS ARE
REPORTING RESTRICTIONS TO VISIBILITY DUE TO FOG SO THAT WILL STAY IN
THE FORECAST. AS THE DAY PROGRESSES...LOOK FOR MOSTLY SUNNY SKIES WITH
PERHAPS A FEW CLOUDS LINGERING ALONG THE COASTS...ESPECIALLY NORTH OF
PT CONCEPTION.
IN 24 HOURS...THE UPPER RIDGE SHIFTS TO THE EAST AND AN UPPER TROUGH
BEGINS TO BUILD OVER SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AS A PRECURSOR TO A LOW THAT
WILL BE MOVING DOWN JUST OFF THE COAST SUNDAY AND MONDAY. LOOK FOR A
STRONGER EDDY TO BUILD TONIGHT WITH MORE LOW CLOUDS AND FOG MAKING IT
FURTHER INLAND ON SUNDAY MORNING AND LINGERING LONGER INTO THE MORNING
HOURS ON SUNDAY. HOWEVER...CLOUDS SHOULD CLEAR TO THE COAST ON SUNDAY
GIVING MOST PEOPLE A SUNNY DAY. EDDY IS BACK MONDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY
SHOULD BE BASICALLY A REPEAT OF SUNDAY...EXCEPT FOR A FEW DEGREES OF
WARMING INLAND DUE TO THE UPPER LOW PASSING FURTHER TO OUR SOUTH AND
WEST ON MONDAY.
.LONG TERM...EXTENDED RANGE PATTERN HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT IN THE
LAST 24 HOURS. YESTERDAY MORNING...MODEL DIVERGENCE RESULTED IN LOW
CONFIDENCE IN THE EXTENDED FORECAST. SPECIFICALLY...AT THAT TIME THE
ECMWF AND GFS WERE PROGRESSIVE IN MOVING THE TROUGH...THE ONE THAT
MOVES DOWN THE COAST SUNDAY AND MONDAY...OFF TO THE EAST ON TUESDAY
WITH RIDGING ALOFT IN ITS WAKE. HOWEVER...AT THAT TIME I MENTIONED
THAT THE NEW AVN SOLUTION FAVORED A DEEPENING OF THE LOW OVER SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA ON TUESDAY...LEAVING THE LOCAL REGION UNDER A TROUGH ALOFT
INSTEAD OF RIDGING. AT THIS TIME IT SEEMS THAT THE ECMWF MODEL HAS
CHANGED ITS MIND AND IS AGREEING WITH THE AVN SOLUTION THAT DEEPENS
THE TROUGH NEAR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ON TUESDAY. FULLY EXPECT THAT THE
NEW GFS WILL FOLLOW THIS TREND. THUS...NOW LOOK FOR THE UPPER LOW TO
MOVE JUST WEST OF SRN CA ON TUESDAY. SLIGHT POSSIBLITY THAT THIS WILL
TAP SOME MOISTURE AND BRING IT NORTHWARD OVER SAN DIEGO COUNTY...
HOWEVER... WILL KEEP THE EXTENDED PERIOD DRY FOR OUR AREA. WHEN ALL IS
SAID AND DONE...WHILE THE PATTERN HAS CHANGED...THE FORECAST HAS NOT
CHANGED THAT MUCH. IF THE PRESENT AVN TRACK IS CORRECT...ONCE THE
UPPER LEVEL LOW PASSES TO THE WEST OF US ON TUESDAY...WE WILL SEE
RIDGING OVERHEAD WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY ANYWAY. SO THE MAIN IMPACT
IS TO DELAY WARMING BY A DAY...STARTING THE WARMING TREND ON WEDNESDAY
THROUGH FRIDAY. STILL NO PRECIPITATION IN THE FORECAST.
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.LOX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE
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DANIELSON
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NWS WICHITA KS
AFDICT 1040 AM CDT SAT OCT 4 2003
MAIN CONCERN FOR THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT RAIN
SHOWERS NEAR THE KANSAS AND OKLAHOMA BORDER.
LATEST WATER VAPOR LOOP SHOWING A WELL DEFINED COLD POCKET
DEVELOPING IN EASTERN COLORADO. LOTS OF MID AND HIGH LEVEL MOISTURE
CONTINUES TO STREAM AHEAD OF THIS SYSTEM WHICH EVEN DEVELOPED SOME
LIGHT RAIN SHOWERS IN GAGE OK. MDCRS PLOTS SHOWING A NICE JET STREAK
AT THE BASE OF THIS COLD POCKET WHICH WILL PROVIDE SOME UPPER LEVEL
DIVERGENCE WHICH IS EVIDENT ON THE UPPER AIR PLOTS. THIS COLD POCKET
IS EXPECTED TO SLIDE EAST THIS AFTERNOON. MODELS SEEM TO BE
UNDERDOING THE AMOUNT OF LOW LEVEL MOISTURE AT THE PRESENT TIME WITH
SURFACE DEWPOINTS AROUND 50 ACROSS SOUTH CENTRAL KANSAS. ALBEIT THIS
MOISTURE IS FAIRLY SHALLOW. NEVERTHELESS, LATEST ETA RUN SHOWS A
VERY STRONG COLD POCKET PUSHING OUT OF THE ROCKIES THIS AFTERNOON
WHICH WILL PROVIDE RISING THETA SURFACES AND WITH ADEQUATE MID LEVEL
MOISTURE WE COULD SQUEEZE OUT A FEW LIGHT RAIN SHOWERS IN SOUTH
CENTRAL KANSAS LATE THIS AFTERNOON. WE HAVE INTRODUCED POPS TO
REFLECT THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LATEST RADAR LOOP SHOWS THE RW-
NOT TO FAR AWAY. TEMPERATURES WERE ALSO TRIMMED BACK IN THE WEST DUE
TO THICKER CLOUD COVER.
COX
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440 AM CDT SAT OCT 4 2003
DRIER AIR IS PUSHING FOG OUT OF CWA SLOWER THAN PREVIOUSLY EXPECTED,
SO WILL UPDATE FORECAST TO ACCOUNT FOR PATCHY AREAS OF EARLY MORNING
FOG ALONG THE OKLAHOMA BORDER. VISIBILITIES FOR MOST AREAS WON'T
DROP LOWER THAN 2-3 MILES, HOWEVER, ISOLATED LOCATIONS MAY DROP TO
1/4 OR LESS. DUE TO THE ISOLATED NATURE AND DRIER AIR PUSHING IN,
DENSE FOG ADVISORY WILL NOT BE NEEDED.
KLEINSASSER
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PREVIOUS DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WICHITA KS
349 AM CDT SAT OCT 4 2003
...FORECAST CONCERNS FOCUS ON PRECIP CHANCES TONIGHT AND EXPECTED
PATTERN CHANGE NEXT WEEK...
CURRENT LARGE SCALE PATTERN ACROSS NORTH AMERICA EXHIBITS DEEPLY
AMPLIFIED FLOW, WITH A HIGH-OVER-LOW BLOCKING PATTERN ACROSS THE
WEST, AND A DEEP MID-UPPER LOW OVER THE GREAT LAKES. CWA IS
CURRENTLY IN BETWEEN THE POLAR JET TO THE EAST, AND THE SUBTROPICAL
JET TO THE SOUTH, RESULTING IN FAIRLY BENIGN WEATHER CONDITIONS.
PATCHY FOG (3-5 MILES VISIBILITY) ACROSS SOUTHERN HALF OF CWA THIS
MORNING WITH BEST LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE. DRIER AIR IS ENCROACHING FROM
THE NORTH, THOUGH, AND WILL LIKELY SWEEP THROUGH MOST OF THE CWA BY
12Z, SO WILL LEAVE FOG WORDING OUT OF FORECAST.
HIGH CLOUDS WILL STEADILY INVADE THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE CWA TODAY,
AHEAD OF AN APPROACHING SHORTWAVE CURRENTLY OVER NORTHERN NEW
MEXICO. CONSEQUENTLY, AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES FARTHER SOUTHWEST WILL
BE IN THE LOW-MID 70S, WITH MID-UPPER 70S FARTHER NORTHEAST WHERE
CLOUD COVER WILL BE LESS DENSE.
THE AFOREMENTIONED SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE WILL MOVE SOUTH OF THE
CWA TONIGHT. BEST LIFT ASSOCIATED WITH JET DYNAMICS AND
WAA/ISENTROPIC LIFT WILL REMAIN SOUTH OF THE CWA. HOWEVER, A BIT TOO
CLOSE FOR COMFORT, SO INTRODUCED 20 POPS FOR THE COUNTIES BORDERING
OKLAHOMA TONIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING. GIVEN CURRENT LIGHTNING
STRIKES OVER NEW MEXICO, ADDED THUNDER WORDING TO SHOWERS, BUT
NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO SEVERE EXPECTED.
AS THE UPPER LOW OVER THE GREAT LAKES SLOWLY PROGRESSES EAST AND
AMPLIFIED WESTERN RIDGE FLATTENS, MODELS HINT AT A WEAK MID-UPPER
LEVEL TROUGH AND POSSIBLY A WEAK BACK DOOR COLD FRONT TO MOVE
THROUGH EASTERN KANSAS ON MONDAY/MONDAY NIGHT. TROUGH APPEARS QUITE
WEAK AND MOISTURE IS NIL, SO PROBABLY ONLY A FEW CLOUDS.
ADDITIONALLY, MODELS HAVE BEEN STEADILY TRENDING THE BACK-DOOR COLD
FRONT WEAKER AND FARTHER EAST, SO TEMPERATURES SHOULD REMAIN IN THE
UPPER 70 TO NEAR 80, NOT COOLING MUCH LIKE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT.
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, PATTERN CHANGE EXPECTED BY WEDNESDAY, AS
LONGWAVE TROUGH DEVELOPS ACROSS THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, ACTING TO
FLATTEN AND PROGRESS THE WESTERN RIDGE EAST EVEN MORE. RESULTANT
CONDITIONS WILL BE AN INCREASING SOUTHERLY LOW-LEVEL FLOW AS LEE
TROUGH DEVELOPS ALONG THE FRONT RANGE OF THE ROCKIES AS WELL AS
WARMER TEMPERATURES. HOWEVER, MEDIUM RANGE MODELS ARE IN POOR
AGREEMENT ON TIMING OF VARIOUS SHORTWAVE EXPECTED TO EJECT OUT OF
THE BASE OF THE LONGWAVE TROUGH, AS WELL AS WITH THE AMPLITUDE OF
THE EXPECTED LONGWAVE TROUGH. THEREFORE, DIDN'T CHANGE EXTENDED
PERIOD MUCH, LEAVING MID-UPPER 70S AND SLIGHT CHANCE OF
SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS IN FOR THURSDAY.
FCSTID = KLEINSASSER / 21
ICT 74 53 78 52 / 0 10 10 0
HUT 75 52 79 52 / 0 5 5 0
EWK 75 52 78 52 / 0 5 5 0
EQA 75 53 78 52 / 0 10 5 0
WLD 74 55 74 52 / 10 20 20 5
RSL 76 51 81 51 / 0 0 5 0
GBD 76 51 80 51 / 0 0 5 0
SLN 76 51 80 51 / 0 0 5 0
MPR 75 52 79 52 / 0 5 5 0
CFV 75 55 73 52 / 5 20 20 10
CNU 76 54 76 51 / 0 10 10 5
K88 76 53 77 51 / 0 10 10 5
.ICT...
KS...NONE.
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