Ken Reuer
	12/09/03 08:12 AM	 
		 To: James Krugman/R2/USDAFS@FSNOTES, David Clement/R2/USDAFS@FSNOTES
		 cc: 
		 Subject: Re: Fire Red Book v/s FSM & FSH
		
		Another related note from Hollenshead on "Red Book". FYI  Willie B.

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Ken Reuer
(303) 275-5192

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			Michael Harper
	12/09/2003 05:09 AM
		 
		 To: Willie Boyer/R1/USDAFS@FSNOTES, Ken Reuer/R2/USDAFS@FSNOTES
		 cc: 
		 Subject: Re: Fire Red Book v/s FSM & FSH

Here is the message from Ed that I mentioned on the phone.
----- Forwarded by Michael Harper/WO/USDAFS on 12/09/2003 07:07 AM -----
	Ed Hollenshead
	09/15/2003 03:11 PM
		
		 To: Michael Harper/WO/USDAFS@FSNOTES
		 cc: Paul D Hefner/R4/USDAFS@FSNOTES
		 Subject: Re: Fire Red Book

Mike... 
All are very good questions.  We have "adopted" the red book (Interagency 
Standards for Fire and Fire Aviation Operations") but not as policy.  Our 
FSM/FSH trump the red book every time.  The red book was the BLM's sole 
guidance for fire operaitons, their policy and operations manual rolled 
into one.  Someone decided what a cool idea if we all worked off the same 
song sheet.  Last year was the first attempt, each chapter had 
agency-specific caveates at the end, creating a lot of confusion.  2003 
was better, but still is confusing to some.  The goal for 2004 is to 
include only those policies that are, indeed, across-the-board, the rest 
will be maintained in agency specific manuals and handbooks.  The URL for 
the red book is:
http://www.fire.blm.gov/Standards/redbook.html
The book has already been referenced in the recent revisions to 5100.  For 
more information on the book, it's use and content, and FS intentions for 
the 2004 revision, you might want to visit with Paul Heffne who is the FS 
member on the team revising the book for 2004 (775-355-5317).
Give me a call if I can provide further assistance.

-ed-

Ed Hollenshead
National Fire Operations Safety Officer
USDA Forest Service
NIFC - WO
208-387-5102   fax: 208-387-5398
ehollens@fs.fed.us


	Michael Harper
	09/15/2003 11:34 AM
		
		 To: Ed Hollenshead/WO/USDAFS@FSNOTES
		 cc: 
		 Subject: Re: Fire Red Book

Hi Ed.  I often have people tell me what the "Fire Red Book" says on one 
thing or another.  They say that the Fire Red Book is policy blessed by 
Fire, Safety, and the Chief.  They say it takes precedence over other 
Forest Service policy but are not suer when it kicks in.  Some say they 
think it becomes the rule as soon as a P-code is assigned to a fire. 

What is the Fire Red Book? 
Is it part of FS manuals and handbooks?  FSM/FSH?  
Where can I get a copy?  
Is it on the internet or intranet?  
Is it a source that it is valid to reference in our FSM and FSH revisions?