From: Jaffe, Lyle D
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:19 PM
To: Dockets, FDA
Subject: FW: response to Cathy and Randy Gordon 



-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Betty Martini [mailto:Bettym19@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:39 PM
To: Gordon, Randy HS; 'SueW'; Gordon, Randy HS; Gordon Cathy;
becky@thefoodsyndicate.com
Cc: DHATTAN-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; RXH-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; Jaffe Lyle D;
inforeply-cdc.gov
Subject: RE: response to Cathy and Randy Gordon 


Randy, here's some homework.  Nicely tell the FDA because their approval of 
aspartame is poisoning the world you would like them to take it off the 
market to save a few million lives.  They refuse even to answer the 
Citizens Petition for ban of aspartame which underlaw they only have 180 
days.  It's been over two years.

Nicely tell the CDC that since they did such a damning investigation on 
aspartame which showed liver problems, cardiac arrest, seizures, mood 
alterations and DEATH for starters that you certainly would appreciate if 
they would remove the phony summary that contradicts their investigation 
which is 146 pages long on www.dorway.com

Tell MIT if they hadn't sold out for research funds they could have warned 
the world.  And pretty please with sugar on it would they now decide to 
tell the truth.

I told you Cathy and Randy, you can't win this.  Nobody cares what you 
say.  Everything has been tried in the 20 years it has been on the market 
from trying to have the manufacturer indicted to three congressional 
hearings.    Ed Horton of the prestigious Lancet  wrote that the FDA 
endangers the lives of the people because they take money from 
industry.  The FDA doesn't care.  They are weak, feeble men who do not 
care.  When a lady named Julie Kelly Castle wrote the FDA that aspartame 
killed her friend they not only did not care or want to investigate but 
sent back a packet of propaganda that were lies along with a sheet on 
Stevia saying not to use it, a healthful herb that is the salvation of the 
diabetics since aspartame can precipitate diabetes, simulates and 
aggravates diabetic retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve, 
causes diabetics to go into convulsions and interacts with insulin, 
according to Diabetic Specialist H. J. Roberts, M.D., and other 
experts.  You will notice I'm saying this to their face, not behind their 
back.  Some of the above have been there for years and know without a 
shadow of a doubt that aspartame is poisoning the public.  They could care 
less.

We have been successful.  The millions of Mission Possible activists the 
world over have saved the lives of thousands or millions.  The NutraSweet 
Company and Monsanto and the American Diabetes Association who has been 
written to for years have been charged with racketeering.  And that goes 
for NutraSweet's spin doctor, Dr. Robert Moser, who has been misleading 
physicians for years so they can't diagnose their patients.  Class action 
attorneys are gearing up everywhere.  Support groups and aspartame 
detoxification centers are now trying to help the sicking and dying from 
this poison.  Physicians continue to write text books so physicians and 
consumers understand how deadly it is.  A quarter of a million web sites 
alert consumers all over the globe.  Radio hosts warn thousands.  And every 
single journalist who dares to advertise, sell or say aspartame is safe is 
written immediately,   Movies are being made to expose aspartame, one 
already out, and four or five more coming. Companies are reformulating.

In the end I pray this inept FDA will be replaced by those who are 
interested in safe food and drugs instead of  continually approving poisons 
and trying to lock up those using God's safe herbs to help people.  If it 
were up to me every single person from the FDA who knows aspartame is 
deadly and lies to the public, should be put on a deserted island and fed 
any kind of food they like as long as it contains aspartame.  They should 
have to receive within themselves the recompense for their error.  They 
should have to suffer what they are causing the public to suffer.

When Dr. James Bowen wrote them the letter on labeling on 
www.dorway.com  and told them aspartame was mass poisoning of the public 
and more than 70 countries of the world, they sent an agent to his 
office.  He handed them 29 more cases of people suffering aspartame 
poisoning.  Were they concerned in the least?  No,  the agent  didn't want 
to take the 29 cases and furious that he wrote the letter.  "By their 
fruits you will know them".

Now, don't take up our time anymore.  There are hundreds of thousands 
poisoned on aspartame that need our time to be educated and helped.  The 
FDA has done nothing to help them.  In Congress it was admitted that the 
FDA was so swamped with complaints they were referring them to the AIDS 
Hotline.

You want to talk about good manners.  Nobody with good manners would dare 
to get into an aspartame support group and chastise victims who are trying 
to alert the world.  Basically we are doing the work of the FDA and CDC by 
alerting the public because these government organizations are letting them 
die and lying to them.

You lost.  Get use to it.  I leave you with the words of Margaret Mead:

"Never  doubt that a group of  thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the  world.  Indeed it is the only thing that ever has."

And the FDA and the CDC have failed miserably.  As Henry Clay said  (1977 - 
1852)  "Government is a trust, and the offices of the government are 
trustees, and both the trust and the trustees are created for the benefit 
of the people."  These agencies are there for the benefit of industry and 
have abused the trust of the people.

Betty




At 01:47 PM 12/2/2004, Gordon, Randy             HS wrote:
>Alright,
>
>Will you Please look at all of our e-mails. Show me where we have said that
>Aspartame is a good thing. I don't think Cathy or I have lowered ourselves
>to start name calling as in your post you allege that we are ignorant and do
>not have half a brain. In the future if you think you need to get involved,
>please refrain from using childish name calling.
>
>This is the type of e-mails that Cathy and I are talking about. We have
>never once disagreed with your claims. I don't necessarily think that
>Aspartame is the lone culprit. I think  all chemicals and preservatives in
>food lend in the poisoning of the world.
>
>All we are saying is that being nice and understanding is a better way to
>get people on your side.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SueW [mailto:gswidemark@cox.net]
>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:20 PM
>To: Gordon, Randy HS; Gordon Cathy; becky@thefoodsyndicate.com; Dr.
>Betty Martini
>Cc: DHATTAN-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; RXH-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; Jaffe Lyle D;
>inforeply-cdc.gov
>Subject: Re: response to Cathy and Randy Gordon
>
>
>Cathy and Randy:
>
>You are not putting out the facts because the facts are that aspartame is a
>neurotoxin and you don't have to go to www.dorway.com to see that. In fact,
>anyone who reads the www.aspartame.com site with a half a brain and a bit of
>medical knowledge will see that.
>
>1. Monsanto admits to "small amounts of formaldehyde" in aspartame but
>claims small amounts won't hurt you.  Not true according to several studies,
>some of which have been published in Journal of the American Medical Assn
>which states that even trace amounts of formaldehyde such as obtained from
>breathing fumes from asbestos dust, can store up in the tissues and cause
>serious neurological problems years later.
>
>2. Monsanto admits that aspartame contains methyl (which is also in "wood
>alcohol") but again states that this cannot be dangerous because fruit juice
>has MORE methyl than aspartame.  Partially true but fruit juice also
>contains ETHYL which neutralizes the methyl so what is in fruit juice cannot
>damage a person neurologically like aspartame can.
>
>3. OK, let's look at this another way.  When ANY sweet taste is felt in the
>mouth, the body begins to produce insulin in preparation for what it THINKS
>is sugar. But when no sugar follows, we are left with higher levels of
>insulin in the blood stream which can cause, among other things, a weight
>gain.  Richard Simmons states that when he gave up drinking diet pop, he
>LOST 13 lbs without making ANY OTHER CHANGE in his diet or exercise program.
>
>So see, that aspartame is a chemical poison is a no brainer.  Insulting
>people who carry that message like Betty Martini, doesn't change the truth.
>It's just hurtful and besides whether you admit it or not, if you consume
>aspartame you WILL subject yourself to the risk of serious health problems.
>
>But of course, perhaps you are smarter than to consume aspartame but just
>don't want to be politically incorrect by warning people about it.  Some of
>us don't share that view and feel it is important to warn people.
>
>Sue Widemark
>against aspartame after it FIRST CAME OUT and I looked at the ingredients...
>LONG before dorway.com or any of the others.
>http://healthread.org
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
> >At 10:35 AM 12/1/2004, Gordon, Randy             HS wrote:
> > >Maybe you are right about aspartame, I don't know.  But who is going to
> > >believe you, the way you treat those who may not know what you know or
> > >believe what you believe.  In your Bio, it says, "They perform this work
> > >as an expression of the neighbor love the Bible teaches".  If this is how
> > >the Bible teaches one to
> > >express love to thy neighbor, I'm glad that I have never read it. Also,
> > >while doing my homework, I noticed this: "When she developed breast
>cancer
> > >she named the herbal formula that cured her for her mother. Now the FDA
> > >has started outlawing the healthful, life saving herbs. It is no wonder
> > >she calls the FDA the Fatal Drugs Allowed
> > >folks for approving deadly poisons and outlawing safe herbs needed for
>good
> > >health."  Maybe you have a personal vendetta against the FDA. By the
> > >way...love the "Glamour Shots"!
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Dr. Betty Martini [mailto:Bettym19@mindspring.com]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:23 PM
> > >To: Gordon Cathy; becky@thefoodsyndicate.com
> > >Cc: DHATTAN-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; RXH-CFSAN.FDA.GOV; Jaffe Lyle D;
> > >inforeply-cdc.gov; RANDY GORDON (E-mail)
> > >Subject: RE: [Aspartame Support] The deadly neurotoxic drug, aspartame
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear Cathy,
> > >
> > >Because she selected a cookie to recommend to the public that has the
> > >deadly chemical poison aspartame that can kill people.  She should have
> > >done her homework.  What if a pregnant woman uses that cookie and it
>kills
> > >her baby.  Aspartame is an abortifacient and teratogen (causes birth
> > >defects).  What if somebody uses the product and its just enough more
> > >aspartame to cause sudden death from damage to the cardiac conduction
> > >system.
> > >
> > >Cathy Gordon, looks like you didn't do your homework either!   Are you
>one
> > >of the flacks who gets in the aspartame support groups of the sick and
> > >disabled from aspartame and tries to convince people the other way.  Too
> > >late.  Racketeering charges have already been filed agains the industry
>and
> > >many companies using this deadly poison.
> > >
> > >Cathy email cori@soundandfuryproductions.com  and see the movie on how
> > >aspartame has poisoned the entire planet.  Sweet Misery: A Poisoned
>World.
> > >
> > >Betty