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ONGOING A SILVER SOFT MONEY APPELLATE TER. THE D.N.C. SEIZED ON
THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE F.E.C. SOFT-HARD ALLOCATION
REGULATIONS TO RUN TV ADS USING THE 40% SOFT MONEY, THE FIRST
ONES BEGAN RUNNING IN OCTOBER OF 1995 SHORTLY AFTER THIS
OPINION WAS RENG DEADER. HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE
RULES STILL PROHIBITED SOFT MONEY, ELECTIONEERING MESSAGES AND
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COORDINATION BETWEEN THE CANDIDATE AND COMMITTEE. IN SUMMARY
THE NATIONAL PARTY COULD SPEND SOFT MONEY FOR A PORTION OF ITS
STATE-BASED PARTY BUILDING AND DIRECTLY SPEND SOFT MONEY FOR A
PORTION OF ITS ISSUE ADVOCACY. OR IT COULD TRANSFER SOFT MONDAY
TOY STATE PARTIES. AGAIN, THIS IS THE SYSTEM WE HAVE TODAY.
DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A SIMPLE, FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM THAT WE
ARE TRYING TO SOMEHOW IMPROPERLY MESS WITH?
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THIS IS THE HOPELESSLY COMPLEX, AS WE WILL SEE IN A MINUTE,
RIDICULOUS SYSTEM, THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED TO BE CREATED UNDER OUR
VERY NOSES. HOWEVER AGAIN, UNDER THE F.E.C. RULINGS AND COURT
DECISIONS, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT NONE OF THIS SOFT MONEY WAS
SUPPOSED TO GO FOR ACTIVITIES THAT WERE TO BE COORDINATED WITH
INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES. NEVERTHELESS, BY NOW THE SYSTEM HAD BEEN
HAPHAZARDLY AND WITHOUT PREMEDITATION TRANSFERRED FROM ONE
WHICH LIMITED BIG MONEY FOR FEDERAL CANDIDATES INTO AN
ATTRACTIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE WILLING TO PUSH THE SOFT
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MONEY DEFAME TO ITS NEXT LEVEL AND PAST WHAT THE LAW APPLAUD.
THE CLINTON-GORE CAMPAIGN WAS WILLING. BRIEFLY STATED THROORX
CAMPAIGN CIRCUMVENTED THE D.N.C.'S COORDINATED EXPENDITURE
LIMIT, AND USED APPROXIMATELY $344 MILLION?
NATIONAL COMMITTEE SOFT MONEY TO THEIR CANDIDATE'S ADVANTAGE
THROUGH ELECTIONEERING MESSAGES THAT THEY CLAIM TO BE ISSUE
ADVERTISEMENTS. ALL THE TIME WHILE CERTIFYING, UNDER OUR
PRESIDENTIAL SYSTEM, YOU REMEMBER, ALL THE WHILE CERTIFYING
THAT THEY WOULD NOT SPEND ANYMORE THAN THE PUBLIC FUNDING
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SYSTEM WAS GIVING THEM. THEY WERE RECEIVING THE TAXPAYER
FUNDING ALL AT THE SAME TIME THEY WERE RAISING THE $44 MILLION
OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM. THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT
PERSONALLY RACED A LOT OF THIS ON I, PUTTING THEM RIGHT BACK
INTO THE CAMPAIGN FUNDING CHASE THAT CONGRESS SPECIFICALLY
INTENDED THE CAMPAIGN LAWS TO PUT THEM ABOVE. THE PRESIDENT
PERSONALLY REVIEWED AND EDITED TV COMMERCIAL SCRIPTS THAT THE
SOFT MONEY WENT FOR. HELPED MAKE DECISIONS AS TO WHERE ADS
WOULD BE RUN. AGAIN, SOFT MONEY IS NOT PERMIT TODAY SUPPORT
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INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE AND NOT SUPPOSED TO BE COORDINATED OR
DIRECTED BY THOSE CANDIDATES. NEVERTHELESS, THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL, THROUGH HER OPINION ON THIS MATTER ACTION PERMITS THIS
ABUSE AND WE CAN FASTEN OUR SEAT BETS FOR THE NEXT ELECTIONS
UNLESS WE MAKE SOME CHANGES. NOW THE SEK LARGE AREA THAT WAS
EXPLOITED IN THE 1996 ELECTION CYCLE HAD TO DO WITH THE
TRANSFER OF LARGE AMOUNTS OF SOFT MONEY FROM THE NATIONAL PARTY
TO THE STATE PARTIES, WHICH IN TURN WOULD BE DIRECTEDLY THE
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NATIONAL PARTIES AS TO HOW TO USE THE FUNDS FOR NATIONAL PARTY
PURPOSES. IN OTHER WORDS, JUST USING THE -- THE NATIONAL PARTY
IS JUST USING THE STATE PARTY AS A PASS THROUGH. UNDER THE
F.E.C. RULES, THE AMOUNT OF PERMISSIBLE SOFT MONEY EXPENDITURES
BY SAIT PARTIES DEPEND ON THE ROW SHOW OF -- RATIO OF FEDERAL
TO NONFEDERAL CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT F THERE WERE ARE TWO
FEDERAL RACES AND EIGHT NONFEDERAL LOCAL RACES, THE STATE PARTY
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CAN PAY FOR 80% OF THEIR GENERIC ACTIVITIES WITH SOFT DOLLARS.
AGAIN, THIS IS THESIMPLE DEREGULATED SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
GIVEN THAT HARD DOLLARS RAISED IN THE $1,000 INCREMENTS ARE
MORE DIFFICULT TO RAISE, THIS GIVES AN INENSIF TO HAVE THE
STATE PARTY PAY TO TORE AS MANY ACTIVITIES AS POSSIBLE USING
SOFT MONEY. IN OTHER WORDS, NOW THEY HAVE A SYSTEM ALL
CONTORTED SO THAT STATES CAN USE MORE SOFT MONEY THAN FEDERAL
CAN, SO YOU GAME THE FEDERAL SYSTEM AS MUCH AS CAN YOU THROUGH
THE PARTY COMMITTEE, THE PRESIDENT RAISES THE SOFT MONEY, RUNS
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IT THROUGH THE D.N.C. AND SPENDS THE SOFT MONEY ADDITIONALLY TO
WHAT HE IS ALLOWED TO SPEND THROUGH PUBLIC FINANCING THEN YOU
GO TO STATES AND BECAUSE STATES CAN USE MORE SOFT MONEY THAN
CAN YOU, YOU RUN THE REST OF IT THROUGH THE STATES AND HAVE THE
STATES RUN THE SAME ADS THAT YOU ARE RUNNING AT THE FEDERAL
LEVEL FOR THE SAME PURPOSE OF REELECTING THE PRESIDENT. NOW
THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE GOT TODAY. SO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE.
SYSTEM, NATIONAL PARTY COMMITTEES BEGIN TRANSFERRING SOFT MONEY
TO STATE PARTY COMMITTEES TO UTILIZE THEIR HIGHER SOFT MONEY
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ALLOWANCE. THEN THE CRUCIAL 1995 PRE-ELECTION YEAR, ACCORDING
TO THE F.E.C. REPORT, THE D.N.C. TRANSFERRED ALMOST $11.4
MILLION OF SOFT MONEY TO STATE PARTIES. FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER
$6.5 MILLION IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 1996. THE R.N.C. SHIFTED A
LITTLE OVER $2.4 MILLION IT TO STATES IN THAT SAME PERIOD OF
TIME. ULTIMATELY THE D.N.C. QUIETLY TRANSFERRED AT LEAST $32
MILLION AND PLANS AS MUCH AS $64 MILLION BY SOME ESTIMATES, TO
STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES IN THE 1919 -- 1996 ELECTION CYCLE.
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AND OF THIS MONEY WAS USED FOR TELEVISION COMMERCIALS. THIS
TRANSFER ALLOWED OF COURSE THE STATE PARTY COMMITTEES TO USE
NATIONAL PARTY SOFT MONEY IN AREAS TO HELP FEDERAL ELECTION
GOALS, MORE THAN IF THE NATIONAL PARTY HAD MADE THE
EXPENDITURES DIRECTLY. THE D.N.C. ON ITS OWN WOULD HAVE HAD TO
PURCHASE THE SAME AIR TIME UNDER THE GUIDE LINES REQUIRING A
HIGHER PEARS DAMAGE OF HARD DOLLARS. OUR HEARINGS DEMONSTRATED
THAT ON SOME OCCASIONS THE VERY SAME AD WOULD BE RUN BOTH BY
THE NATIONAL PARTY AND SAIT PARTY, ALL CREATED BY THE D.N.C.
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CLINTON-GORE MEDIA CONSULTANTS, SQUIRE APP AND KNOCK. REPORTS
OF EXPENDITURES OF STATE PARTIES FROM JUDGE, INDICATED STATE
ENTITIES OPERATED LITTLE MORE THAN PASS-THROUGHS FOR THE D.N.C.
TO PAY FOR PRODUCTION AND BROADCASTING OF ADS BY THE SQUIRE
FIRM. SQUIRE FIRM OF COURSE WAS UP HERE, IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
CONSULTING WITH THE PRESIDENT, WAS THE PAID MEDIA CONSULTANT
FOR THE D.N.C., FOR THE CLINTON-GORE CAMPAIGN, AND AT THE SAME
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TIME WAS RUNNING THESE ADS AND CREATING ADS FOR THE STATE
PARTIES, AND IN MANY CASES THEY WERE THE SAME ADS. THE
CLINTON-GORE CAMPAIGN FOUND THE WAY TO USE ALL BIG CORPORATE
AND INDIVIDUAL AND UNION MONEY THEN COULD RAISE FOR THE BENEFIT
OF THEIR OWN CAMPAIGN. THEY COULD ACTUALLY RAISE THE SOFT MONEY
FOR THE D.N.C. WHICH IN TURN WOULD SPEND IT AS DIRECTEDLY THE
CLINTON-GORE CAMPAIGN, IN ORDER TO BENEFIT THE NATIONAL
CAMPAIGN. SO IT WAS ALL AN OBVIOUS RUSE TO ANYBODY WHO TOOK A
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LOOK AT IT. BUT IT COULD WORK IN A WORLD WHERE THE F.E.C. MIGHT
TAKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS TO IMPOSE A MODEST FINE AND WITH AN
ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLING TO ADOPA TORTURED CLINTON-GORE LEGAL
DEFENSE THEORY IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY SUCH ACTIONS. OF COURSE
LABOR UNIONS AND THE O. 50 A 15 C-4 TAX EXCEPT GROUPS HAVE KENT
APRIL PACE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS. THEN RUN ADS TARGETING
SPECIFIC CANDIDATES WHILE COORDINATING THEIR ACTIVITIES WITH
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THE CANDIDATE THEY PORT AS WELL AS WITH EACH OTHER. AS WITH THE
NATIONAL PARTIES, THEY CLAIM THAT THE ADS THEY RUN ARE ISSUE
ADS. CAN'T BE REGULATED. SOMETIMES THEY ARE, AND SOMETIMES
MAYBE THEY ARE NOT. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THAT ON AN INDIVIDUAL
FACT-BY-FACT BASIS. HOWEVER, THEY TAKE THE POSITION THAT IN
MOST CASES THAT THEY ARE NOT -- THEY ARE NOT COORDINATED.
FACTUAL ISSUES. BUT IF THEY ARE COORDINATED WITH THE CANDIDATE,
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IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CANDIDATE ACCORDING
TO BUCKLEY. BUCKLEY HAS BEEN QUOTED OF COURSE AS LIMITING THE
EXPENDITURES THAT CONGRESS -- THE REGULATION THAT CONGRESS CAN
PLACE ON EXPENDITURES. BUT IN THE BUCKLEY DECISION IT SAYS IF
YOU SET UP A KIND OF A SHAM DEAL WHERE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
MAKING THESE INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES BUT REALLY DOING IT AT
THE DIRECTION OF THE CANDIDATE, THAT'S NOT INDEPENDENT. IT IS
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CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CANDIDATE. AND THE F.E.C., AS
IN MANY CASES, SUPPORTED THAT PROPOSITION. THERE IS NOTHING IN
THE COURT CASE THAT IS WOULD INDICATE THAT THAT'S PROPER. IN
FACT, QUITE THE CONTRARY. IN FACT THE F.E.C. TAKES THE POSITION
THAT EVEN ISSUE ADS WHICH ARE COORDINATED ARE ILLEGAL. NATIONAL
PARTIES AND INDEPENDENT GROUPS SEEM TO BE TAKING THE POSITION
THAT WE DIDN'T COORDINATE, BUT IF WE DID, IT MAY BE LEGAL
ANYWAY. BUT THE D.N.C. AND CLINTON-GORE CAMPAIGN STAND ALONE IN
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THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THEIR SOFT MONEY EXPENDITURES WERE
COORDINATED AND DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT, SO OPENLY AND
CLEARLY, AND BLATANTLY, THAT THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO JUST
ADOPT THE IDEA IN THE FACE OF COURT DECISIONS AND IN THE FACE
OF F.E.C. RULINGS, THAT IT WAS STILL LEGAL AND PROPER AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS GONE ALONG WITH THEM ON IT. AS I SAID,
BUBBLY ADDRESSED THE PROBLEMS OF WOULD BE CONTRIBUTORS AVOIDING
LIMITS BY PAYING DIRECTLY FOR THE ADS THEMSELVES WHEN THEY WERE
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COORDINATING CONTROL BY THE CANDIDATE. BUCKLEY STATED AND THIS
IS A QUOTATION FROM THE MUCH-COASTED BUCKLEY, "SUCH COORDINATED
AND CONTROLLED EXPENDITURES ARE TREATED AS CONTRIBUTIONS RATHER
THAN EXPENDITURES UNDER THE ACT. THE ACT CONTRIBUTION CEILINGS
PREVENT ATTEMPTS TO CIRCUMVENT THROUGH COORDINATIONS DISGUISED
TO HIDE THEM. THAT'S THE BUCKLEY DECISION. OF COURSE IN THE
PRESENT ENVIRONMENT, IT PREVENTS NO SUCH THING. BUCKLEY SAYS,
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LEGALLY IT PREVENTS IT. PRACTICALLY WE SEE THAT IT DOES NOT. IT
CERTAINLY MAKES NO DIFFERENCE THE PERSON THAT RUNS THE TV ADS
RUNS THEM THROUGH A PARTY INSTEAD OF BUYING THEM DIRECTLY. THE
POTENTIAL FOR CORRUPTION THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED WITH
FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, IN THIS COUNTRY AND OTHERS, IS THERE
EITHER WAY. NEVERTHELESS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SEEMS TO HAVE
ADOPTED THE CLINTON-GORE CAMPAIGN ARGUMENT. THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S MOTION WAIL HAVE MANY RAMIFICATIONS, MR. PRESIDENT.
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HER POSITION IS WASTED ON THE IDEA THAT SOFT MONEY
CONTRIBUTIONS ARE NOT CONTRIBUTIONS. THERE IS A DEFINITION, AS
YOU KNOW, OF CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE ACT, IN THE LAW, AND SHE SAYS
SINCE SOFT MONEY CONTRIBUTIONS DON'T FALL WITHIN THAT TESTIFY
NATION OF CONTRIBUTIONS, THEN THEY ARE NOT REGULATED. SO THAT
YOU CAN HAVE UNLIMITED MONEY OVER HERE, SOFT MONEY, WE WON'T
CALM THEM CONTRIBUTIONS, SO THEY ARE NOT REGULATED. WELL, IF
THAT BLANKET POSITION IS TRUE, THEN FOREIGN SOFT MONEY
CONTRIBUTIONS ARE NOT ILLEGAL EITHER. BECAUSE THEY CAME UNDER
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THE SAME DEFINITION. IF CONTRIBUTIONS OF ANY KIND, SOFT MONEY
CONTRIBUTIONS OF ANY KIND ARE NOT REALLY CONTRIBUTIONS AS
DEFINED BY THE ACT, THEN THAT'S GOING TO APPLY DOMESTIC OR
FOREIGN. UNDER HER INTERPRETATION, YOU COULD HAVE UNLIMITED
AMOUNTS OF FOREIGN MONEY BROUGHT IN AND PUT BY A POLITICAL
CAMPAIGN INTO A SOFT MONEY ACCOUNT AND USED FOR SO-CALLED
ISSUED ADS, AND IT WOULD BE PERFECTLY LEGAL. THESE ARE THE
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THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE IN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE. IF
CONGRESS DOES NOT WANT TO BE BOUND BY THIS ABSURD
INTERPRETATION THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACT. IN SUMMARY WE
SEEP THE 1996 ELECTIONS PRODUCED SOME CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF THE
CRIMINAL LAW. CONGRESS' JOB IN THIS AREA IS TO EXERCISE
OVERHEIR OVERSIGHT OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. WE SEE THE WAY
SOFT MONEY ISSUE ADVOCACY AND COORDINATION ARE BEING USED, AND
ALLOWED TO BE USED, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER WE ARE LEFT WITH NO
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CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM AT ALL. AND THIS WEEK WE MUST DECIDE IF
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT. BECAUSE OF ALL OF THESE LOOPHOLES
HAVE BEEN OPENED UP, CONTRARY TO OUR ORIGINAL INTENT, WE FOUND
OURSELVES WITH A SITUATION WHERE WE WEREN'T THE ONES THAT
OPENED UP THE BARN DOOR, BUT ALL THE HORSES ARE RAPIDLY
LEAVING. DO WE WANT TO FIX IT OR DO WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF IT?
BECAUSE IT ESSENTIALLY HELPS ALL INCUMBENTS. AND WE GO THROUGH
THIS EXERCISE EVERY SO OFTEN AND GET A PRETTY GOOD VOTE BUT NOT
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QUITE ENOUGH. NOW WE HAVE GOT OUR CAKE AND EAT IT, TOO. IF WE
HAD COME TO THIS FLOOR AND PASSED A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT
ALLOWED THE CURRENT SYSTEM, THEY WOULD HAVE LAUGHED US OUT OF
TOWN AND NOBODY HERE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE COURAGE TO DO IT. SO
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE FIND OURSELVES WITH IT, WE
ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, BECAUSE IT BENEFITS ENCUM
WENT BENTS. SOME WOULD WELCOME THIS TERM OF EVENTS. SOME
BELIEVE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM,
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ANTHAT LARGE CORPORATIONS AND UNIONS AND OTHERS SHOULD BE
ALLOWED TO MAKE UNLIMITED CONTRIBUTIONS TO CANDIDATES. I
BELIEVE THAT THOSE THAT HOLD THAT POSITION HAVE WON THE DAY, SO
FAR. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE NOW. I THINK
IT IS TRAGIC. I BELIEVE THAT BOTH OF US IN BOAT PARTIES WHO
SUPPORT SUCH A SYSTEM, BECAUSE WE THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL
TO US AS INCUMBENTS, IN SOME WAY, ARE BEING VERY SHORT-SIGHTED,
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BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT NO SYSTEM THAT REQUIRES US OR ALLOWS US
AS ELECT DS OFFICIALS INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME RAISING SO MUCH MONEY FROM SO MANY
PEOPLE WHO HAVE INTERESTS BEFO US TH WE ARE PASSING LEGISLATION
ON, NO SUCH
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