Forecast Discussions mentioning "ACARS", "MDCRS", "AIRCRAFT", "TAMDAR", or "AMDAR" received at FSL on 11/19/07


SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA
326 PM PST SUN NOV 18 2007 .SHORT TERM (TONIGHT-WEDNESDAY)...MARINE LAYER STUBBORN THIS AFTERNOON AS EXPECTED. MOST BEACH AREAS STRUGGLED TO CLEAR THIS AFTERNOON. MARINE LAYER WILL LIKELY RETURN TO MOST AREAS WHERE IT WAS PRESENT LAST NIGHT. SOME CONCERN THAT THE MARINE LAYER MAY THIN TONIGHT AS A MORE NORTHERLY GRADIENT IS PRESENT BEHIND A WEAK BOUNDARY CURRENTLY PUSHING SOUTH DOWN THE COAST. MARINE LAYER SHOULD RETREAT FROM MOST AREAS ON MONDAY NIGHT...LIKELY REMAINING SOUTH OF POINT MUGU. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE STRATUS COULD REFORM AT THE BEACHES NORTH OF POINT CONCEPTION...HOWEVER NOT LIKELY AS INSTABILITY WITH THE SYSTEM ARRIVES AND COULD DISRUPT THE MARINE INVERSION. COLDER AIR REENFORCEMENT ARRIVES MONDAY NIGHT AS UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH PUSHES INTO THE NORTHERN GREAT BASIN AND INTERMOUNTAIN REGION. A SECONDARY BOUNDARY PUSHING SOUTH OVER THE STATE STILL BRINGS SOME CONCERN FOR BREEZY CONDITIONS FOR SOUTHERN SANTA BARBARA COUNTY AND THE ANTELOPE VALLEY MONDAY NIGHT. WEAK TO MODERATE THERMAL GRADIENTS STILL DEVELOP BETWEEN THE CENTRAL VALLEY AND THE LEEWARD SIDE...WITH ABOUT 15 TO 25 KNOTS OF WIND AT 850 MB. 12Z UKMET STILL REMAINS QUITE STRONG RELATIVE TO ITS PAST RUNS...BUT CONFIDENCE WOULD IMPROVE WITH BETTER MODEL AGREEMENT. UNCERTAINTY STILL IN PLACE FOR MIDWEEK. UPPER-LEVEL SYSTEM PUSHES INTO GREAT BASIN. THE MIDDLE-LEVEL COLD FRONT SAGS SOUTH THROUGH UTAH AND NEVADA...THEN SEEMS TO DIE AND PUSH EAST. NAM-WRF SEEMS TO PUSH A PIECE OF THE 700 MB FRONT INTO THE OWENS VALLEYS TUESDAY NIGHT...BUT MODELS STILL STRUGGLE WITH MODELING THE LOWER AND MIDDLE LEVELS WITH 18Z SOLUTIONS CONTINUING TO WEAKEN THE EVENT FOR MIDWEEK. 18Z GFS SOLUTION IS SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKER THAN 12Z SOLUTION...WITH NAM-WRF CONTINUING TO WEAKEN THE SYSTEM. THE EUROPEAN MODEL SOLUTIONS CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE AS WELL. MODELS DO AGREE THAT THE FLOW PATTERN DOES BECOME NORTHEASTERLY...BUT THE QUESTION IS THE STRENGTH AND TIMING AT THIS TIME. ONE THING THAT IS CERTAIN IS THAT COOLER CONDITIONS WILL DEVELOP OVER THE AREA...WITH POSSIBLE FROST OR FREEZE CONDITIONS DEVELOPING TUESDAY NIGHT AND/OR WEDNESDAY NIGHT IN THE ANTELOPE VALLEY. .LONG TERM (THANKSGIVING DAY-SUNDAY)...MODELS SEEMING TO BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT A SECOND SYSTEM DROPPING SOUTH OF CANADA INTO THE GREAT BASIN AND PUSHING WEST INTO SOUTHEASTERN CALIFORNIA. GOOD AGREEMENT DOES EXIST WITH GFS AND ECMWF ABOUT THE MOVEMENT OF THE UPPER LEVEL SYSTEM THAT COULD PRODUCE A MODERATE TO STRONG EVENT OVER THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND...HOWEVER WITH MODEL PERFORMANCE SO POORLY LATELY...LITTLE CONFIDENCE SHOULD BE PLACED IN THE STRENGTH AND TIMING OF THE EVENT AT THIS TIME. && .AVIATION...18/1818Z...STRATUS SLOWING BURNING OFF TO THE COAST THIS MORNING. LATEST AMDAR SOUNDINGS INDICATE MARINE INVERSION AROUND 1400 FEET THIS MORNING. EXPECT THE STRATUS TO BURN OFF WELL THIS AFTERNOON...WITH ONLY SOME MVFR VSBYS LINGERING ACROSS THE COASTAL/VALLEY TERMINALS. FOR TONIGHT...ONSHORE FLOW IS FORECAST TO BE STRONGER AND THE MARINE LAYER SHOULD DEEPEN SOMEWHAT. SO...WILL EXPECT THE STRATUS/FOG TO RETURN TO THE COASTAL AND VALLEY TAFS OVERNIGHT...WITH CIG AND VSBYS VERY SIMILAR TO LAST NIGHT AND THIS MORNING. KLAX...MVFR VSBYS TIL AROUND 22Z WHEN WEAK SEA BREEZE KICKS IN. STRATUS/FOG EXPECTED TO RETURN AROUND 04Z THIS EVENING...WITH IFR CIGS/VSBYS EXPECTED OVERNIGHT. OVERALL...MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN 18Z TAF. KBUR...EXPECT MVFR VSBYS THROUGH THE EVENING. OVERNIGHT...STRATUS AND FOG SHOULD RETURN...AROUND THE 07Z TIME FRAME. WHEN STRATUS DOES MOVE IN...IFR/LIFR CIGS AND VSBYS ARE EXPECTED. OVERALL... MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN 18Z TAF. && .LOX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...HALL AVIATION...RAT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/LOSANGELES
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS SAN DIEGO CA
200 PM PST SAT NOV 17 2007 .SYNOPSIS... THE MARINE LAYER AND WEAK ONSHORE FLOW WILL BRING COASTAL LOW CLOUDS AND FOG DURING THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS THROUGH MONDAY. A COOLER AIR MASS WILL COVER THE REGION TUESDAY. DRY AND COOL OFFSHORE FLOW WILL INCREASE WEDNESDAY AND BECOME STRONG BY FRIDAY. && .DISCUSSION...FOR EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ORANGE... SAN DIEGO...WESTERN RIVERSIDE AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTIES... THE LOW CLOUDS CLEARED AT THE COAST TODAY AND THE MARINE LAYER WILL BE MORE SHALLOW IN RESPONSE TO A SLIGHT HEIGHT RISE TONIGHT AND SUN. THIS WILL MEAN THE LOW CLOUDS WILL BE SLIGHTLY LESS EXTENSIVE ON SUN AND IT WILL BE WARMER AS WELL. A TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE MOVES THROUGH TO THE NORTH ON MON AND TUE...BRIEFLY STRENGTHENING THE ONSHORE FLOW HERE IN SOCAL AND EXPANDING THE MARINE LAYER. NORTHERLY GRADIENTS RESULT FROM THIS SYSTEM AS IT MOVES INTO THE WESTERN U.S. INTERIOR TUE...BUT THE STEEP PRESSURE AND THERMAL GRADIENTS ARE MUCH TOO FAR NORTH FOR MUCH IF ANY IMPACT ON SOCAL. THE GRADIENTS GET A LITTLE CLOSER AND TIGHTEN UP WED AND THU...BUT STILL NOT IN OPTIMUIM POSITION FOR REALLY STRONG WINDS. THERE WILL BE AN INCREASED FIRE POTENTIAL WED AND THU WITH MODERATE OFFSHORE WINDS...STRONG IN THE FAVORED SPOTS...ALONG WITH DRIER AIR. AN ARCTIC AIR MASS MOVES SOUTHWARD OUT OF CANADA TO STRENGTHEN THIS OFFSHORE PATTERN FRI AND SAT GIVING US WHAT LOOKS LIKE OUR BEST CHANCE AT WIDESPREAD STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS. THE BIGGER STORY MAY BE THE COLD. GIVEN THE VAGARIES OF THE MODEL SOLUTIONS AND THE TREND OF BACKING OFF THE STRENGTH AND TIMING OF OFFSHORE FLOW A FEW DAYS OUT...ALL WE CAN SAY IS THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS FOR NOW. AND STAY TUNED. && .AVIATION... 172015Z...LATE MORNING MDCRS SOUNDINGS INDICATE THE MARINE LAYER DEPTH HAD LOWERED TO AROUND 2000 FEET FROM THIS MORNING. LITTLE CHANGE IS EXPECTED IN THE DEPTH THROUGH SUNDAY. STRATUS...WITH BASES AROUND 1500 FEET MSL...OVER THE COASTAL WATERS SHOULD PUSH BACK ONSHORE BY SUNSET AND INLAND DURING THE EVENING REACHING THE FAR INLAND VALLEY AREAS BY MIDNIGHT. EXPECT LIFR CONDITIONS NEAR KONT AFTER MIDNIGHT AS WELL. STRATUS SHOULD BREAK UP BETWEEN 17Z AND 19Z ON SUNDAY. ABOVE THE MARINE LAYER...VFR CONDITIONS WITH CIRRUS ABOVE FL250 AND UNRESTRICTED VISIBILITIES THROUGH SUNDAY. && .SGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...MM AVIATION/MARINE...HORTON
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS SAN DIEGO CA
900 AM PST SAT NOV 17 2007 .SYNOPSIS... THE MARINE LAYER AND WEAK ONSHORE FLOW WILL BRING COASTAL LOW CLOUDS AND FOG DURING THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. WEAK TO LOCALLY MODERATE OFFSHORE FLOW IS EXPECTED TUESDAY THROUGH THANKSGIVING WITH STRONGER OFFSHORE FLOW POSSIBLE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. && .DISCUSSION...FOR EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ORANGE... SAN DIEGO...WESTERN RIVERSIDE AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTIES... THE BASE OF THE MARINE INVERSION INCREASED TO ABOUT 2500 FEET OVERNIGHT. THE LOW CLOUDS COVERED MOST OF THE COASTAL BASIN AND PATCHY DENSE FOG WAS OBSERVED AT ABOUT THE 1500-2500 FOOT ELEVATION. THE STRONGER ONSHORE FLOW IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MORE EXTENSIVE STRATUS CLOUDS. HEIGHTS RISE TONIGHT AND SUN AND THE MARINE LAYER SHOULD GET MORE SHALLOW AND SLIGHTLY LESS EXTENSIVE. SUN WILL BE WARMER AS WELL EXCEPT RIGHT AT THE COAST WHERE LITTLE SUNSHINE IS EXPECTED. A TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE MOVES THROUGH THE NORTHWEST ON MON...BRIEFLY STRENGTHENING THE ONSHORE FLOW HERE IN SOCAL AND EXPANDING THE MARINE LAYER. NORTHERLY GRADIENTS RESULT FROM THIS SYSTEM AS IT MOVES INTO THE WESTERN U.S. INTERIOR MON NIGHT...BUT THE STEEP PRESSURE AND THERMAL GRADIENTS ARE MUCH TOO FAR NORTH FOR MUCH IF ANY IMPACT ON SOCAL. THE GRADIENTS GET A LITTLE CLOSER WED AND THU...BUT STILL NOT IN FAVORABLE POSITION. THERE WILL BE AN INCREASED FIRE POTENTIAL WITH SOME PEDESTRIAN WINDS ESPECIALLY IN THE FAVORED SPOTS...ALONG WITH DRIER AIR. AN ARCTIC AIR MASS MOVES SOUTHWARD OUT OF CANADA TO STRENGTHEN THIS OFFSHORE PATTERN NEXT FRI AND SAT GIVING US WHAT LOOKS LIKE OUR BEST CHANCE AT STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS. THE BIGGER STORY MAY BE THE COLD. GIVEN THE VAGARIES OF THE MODEL SOLUTIONS AND THE TREND OF BACKING OFF THE STRENGTH AND TIMING OF OFFSHORE FLOW A FEW DAYS OUT...ALL WE CAN SAY IS THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS FOR NOW. AND STAY TUNED. && .AVIATION... 171545Z...THE 12Z NKX SOUNDING AND MDCRS SOUNDINGS INDICATE THE MARINE LAYER DEPTH OVER THE AREA WAS BETWEEN 2000 AND 2500 FEET. SOME LOWERING OF THE MARINE LAYER TO AROUND 1800 FEET IS EXPECTED THROUGH TONIGHT. STRATUS WITH BASES AROUND 1500 FEET MSL EXTENDS INLAND INTO THE INLAND VALLEY AREAS. EXPECT THE STRATUS/FOG OVER THE INLAND AREAS TO BREAK UP BETWEEN 16Z AND 17Z AND THE COASTAL AREAS BETWEEN 17Z AND 19Z. STRATUS SHOULD PUSH BACK ONTO THE COAST BY SUNSET AND INLAND DURING THE EVENING REACHING THE INLAND VALLEY AREAS BY MIDNIGHT. SOME LIFR CONDITONS ARE EXPECTED OVER THE MESAS AND INLAND AREAS BEFORE SUNRISE SUNDAY MORNING. ABOVE THE MARINE LAYER...VFR CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED THROUGH SUNDAY WITH SOME CIRRUS ABOVE FL250 AND UNRESTRICTED VISIBILITIES. HORTON && .SGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... HIGH SURF ADVISORY UNTIL 2 AM PST SUNDAY FOR ORANGE COUNTY COASTAL AREAS-SAN DIEGO COUNTY COASTAL AREAS. && $$ PUBLIC...MM AVIATION/MARINE...HORTON
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
220 PM EST SAT NOV 17 2007 .SYNOPSIS... A WEAK CLIPPER SYSTEM WILL MOVE THROUGH THE MID ATLANTIC REGION TONIGHT. THIS SYSTEM WILL BRING THE GREATEST CHANCES OF LIGHT PRECIPITATION TO THE NORTHERN POTOMAC HIGHLANDS AND ALONG THE MASON DIXON LINE. HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD BACK OVER THE REGION ON SUNDAY...AND CONTINUE THROUGH MID WEEK. THE NEXT FRONTAL BOUNDARY IS EXPECTED DURING THE LATTER HALF OF NEXT WEEK. && .NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/... WATER VAPOR LOOP SHOWS A WAVE DIVING SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE MIDWEST IN ADVANCE OF A SECOND WAVE SAGGING SOUTH INTO THE UPPER GREAT LAKES. AN UPPER LOW IS SHEARING NORTHEAST ACROSS THE PLAINS. ACARS 400-250MB WIND OBSERVATIONS SHOW A 90-110KT NORTHWESTERLY JET EXTENDS SOUTHEAST FROM THE LOWER GREAT LAKES TO THE MID ATLANTIC WHERE PHASING OCCURS WITH A 70-90KT WESTERLY JET THAT EXTENDS EAST FROM THE PLAINS. 12Z SURFACE ANALYSIS PLACED A 1009MB CYCLONE NEAR DAVENPORT IOWA...ALONG A COLD FRONT SAGGING SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES. A 1023MB ANTICYCLONE DOMINATES THE SOUTHEAST CONUS...WITH A TROUGH IN THE LEE OF THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS. LIGHT PRECIPITATION EXPECTED TO SPREAD EAST AND AFFECT MAINLY THE MOUNTAINS AND COMMUNITIES NORTH OF THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE LINE TONIGHT. 12Z OPERATIONAL MODELS/09Z SREF/AND SIMULATED REFLECTIVITY FROM THE LWX WRF-ARW...NCEP WRF-NMM...NSSL WRF-ARW ALL ON THE SAME TRACK. SATURATED LAYER SHOULD CONTAIN MAINLY SUPERCOOLED WATER DROPLETS...ESPECIALLY SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUNTAINS AND PENNSYLVANIA BORDER...WHICH WOULD INDICATE A LIQUID DOMINATE PRECIPITATION TYPE. THIS IS ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE 09Z SREF PTYPE ALGORITHMS. A FEW FLAKES MAY MIX IN ACROSS THE HIGHER TERRAIN...BUT LOW LEVEL TEMPERATURES SHOULD TEMPER ACCUMULATIONS. && .SHORT TERM /SUNDAY/... EXPECT SCENARIO OUTLINED ABOVE TO CONTINUE THROUGH MUCH OF SUNDAY AS THE GREAT LAKES WAVE IS SLOW TO APPROACH THE REGION FROM THE NORTHWEST. CLOUD/PRECIPITATION BOUNDARY ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA EXPECTED TO LEAD TO A TEMPERATURE GRADIENT FROM THE LOWER 60S CENTRAL VIRGINIA TO MID 40S HIGHER TERRAIN OF NORTHERN MARYLAND. NAM HOLDS ONTO THE CYCLONE INLAND LONGER THAN GFS...SIDED WITH GFS TRANSITIONING ENERGY TO THE COASTLINE DUE TO THE NAM BIAS. LARGEST IMPLICATION IS WITH REGARD TO WINDS. && .LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY/... CLIPPER SYSTEM WILL HAVE MOVED OFFSHORE BY SUNDAY EVENING. STILL EXPECT SOME PRECIPITATION WRAPPED AROUND THE LOW SUNDAY NIGHT WITH AID FROM ANOTHER UPPER LEVEL FEATURE WHOSE IMPACT WILL MAINLY BE FELT TO OUR NORTH. AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER COOLS...EXPECT P-TYPE TO TRANSITION FROM RAIN TO SNOW MAINLY NORTHWEST OF BWI/DC. EVEN WITH SUCH A TRANSITION...QPF WILL BE LIGHT AND THERE WILL BE LITTLE OR NO SNOW ACCUMULATION. HIGH PRESSURE BUILDS ACROSS THE REGION MONDAY...THEN MOVES EAST OF THE AREA TUESDAY. SOUTHERLY FLOW TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WILL WARM TEMPERATURES ABOVE CLIMO. HOWEVER...WARM ADVECTION WILL ALSO LEAD TO MORE CLOUDS AND INCREASING CHANCES OF RAIN. BEST WARM ADVECTION WILL OCCUR TO OUR NORTH AND WEST SO BEST CHANCES OF RAIN INITIALLY WILL BE TO THE NORTH AND WEST. THESE CHANCES EXPAND ACROSS THE REST OF THE CWA WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY AS A STRONG COLD FRONT APPROACHES AND THEN MOVES ACROSS THE REGION. COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE WILL LEAD TO COOLER CONDITIONS BY FRIDAY...ALONG WITH GUSTY WINDS. MOST OF ANY LINGERING PRECIPITATION WOULD BE IN OUR WESTERN CWA FROM AN UPSLOPE COMPONENT TO THE WIND. HIGH PRESSURE RETURNS FOR SATURDAY. && .AVIATION /19Z SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/... NEXT CYCLONE ADVANCES FROM THE MIDWEST INTO THE MID ATLANTIC THROUGH SUNDAY...BRINGING MID LEVEL CLOUDS WHICH WILL TEND TO THICKEN AND LOWER (REMAINING VFR) TONIGHT. SHOWER ACTIVITY EXPECTED TO FOCUS ALONG THE MOUNTAINS AND NORTH OF TERMINALS IN PENNSYLVANIA TONIGHT AND TOMORROW PER 12Z NAM/GFS AND 09Z SREF. CEILINGS MAY FALL INTO MVFR OR IFR CATEGORIES (BEGINNING NEAR THE PENNSYLVANIA BORDER AND DEVELOPING SOUTHEAST TOWARD METRO HUBS) LATE TOMORROW AFTERNOON BEHIND THE CYCLONE AS ADVERTISED BY 09Z SREF AND GFS/NAM BUFKIT FORECAST SOUNDINGS. THERE IS A CHANCE FOR IFR CIGS SUNDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY MONDAY...OTHERWISE NO SIGNIFICANT WEATHER IS EXPECTED UNTIL LATE NEXT WEEK AS A COLD FRONT MOVES ACROSS THE AREA. && .MARINE... ETA/GFS MOS AND 12Z KLWX WRF-ARW SUGGEST SSW WINDS 10-15KTS TONIGHT. WINDS EXPECTED TO VEER TO NORTHEAST NORTH OF THOMAS POINT TOMORROW AS A CYCLONE MOVES ACROSS THE MID ATLANTIC. A NORTHERLY SURGE MAY LEAD TO SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONDITIONS MAINLY ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY MONDAY. A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL ALSO BRING POSSIBLE SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONDITIONS TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEK. && .LWX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... DC...NONE. MD...NONE. VA...NONE. WV...NONE. MARINE...NONE. && $$ SYNOPSIS...PELOQUIN NEAR TERM...ROGOWSKI SHORT TERM...ROGOWSKI LONG TERM...PELOQUIN AVIATION...ROGOWSKI/PELOQUIN MARINE...ROGOWSKI/PELOQUIN
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
905 AM EST SAT NOV 17 2007 .SYNOPSIS... A WEAK CLIPPER SYSTEM WILL MOVE THROUGH THE MID ATLANTIC REGION THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT. THIS SYSTEM WILL BRING THE GREATEST CHANCES OF LIGHT PRECIPITATION TO THE NORTHERN POTOMAC HIGHLANDS AND ALONG THE MASON DIXON LINE. HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD BACK OVER THE REGION ON SUNDAY...AND CONTINUE THROUGH MID WEEK. THE NEXT FRONTAL BOUNDARY IS EXPECTED DURING THE LATTER HALF OF NEXT WEEK. && .NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 PM THIS EVENING/... WATER VAPOR LOOP SHOWS A WAVE DIVING SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE MIDWEST IN ADVANCE OF A SECOND WAVE SAGGING SOUTH INTO THE UPPER GREAT LAKES. AN UPPER LOW IS SHEARING NORTHEAST ACROSS THE PLAINS. ACARS 400-250MB WIND OBSERVATIONS SHOW A 90-110KT NORTHWESTERLY JET EXTENDS SOUTHEAST FROM THE LOWER GREAT LAKES TO THE MID ATLANTIC WHERE PHASING OCCURS WITH A 70-90KT WESTERLY JET THAT EXTENDS EAST FROM THE PLAINS. 12Z SURFACE ANALYSIS PLACED A 1009MB CYCLONE NEAR DAVENPORT IOWA...ALONG A COLD FRONT SAGGING SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES. A 1023MB ANTICYCLONE DOMINATES THE SOUTHEAST CONUS...WITH A TROUGH IN THE LEE OF THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS. EXPECT MID LEVEL CLOUDS TO ERODE ACROSS CENTRAL VIRGINIA IN THE WAKE OF A WEAK SHORT WAVE WHICH PASSED OVERHEAD LAST NIGHT. MID LEVEL MOISTURE WILL REMAIN IN PLACE FURTHER NORTH CLOSER TO THE PENNSYLVANIA BORDER IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT WAVE APPROACHING FROM THE MIDWEST. BY THE END OF THE AFTERNOON...OPERATIONAL MODELS/03Z SREF/SIMULATED REFLECTIVITY FROM LWX WRF-ARW/NCEP WRF-NMM AND NSSL WRF-ARW ALL SUGGEST A SLIGHT CHANCE OF LIGHT RAIN ACROSS THE PAN HANDLES OF MARYLAND AND WEST VIRGINIA. SOME LIGHT SNOW MAY MIX IN WEST OF THE ALLEGHENY FRONT...BUT TEMPERATURES EXPECTED TO PRECLUDE ACCUMULATION. AS FOR TEMPERATURES...USED 00Z NGM MOS AS A STARTING POINT AND TWEAKED DOWN ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE NORTH DUE TO THE EXPECTED SKY COVER. && .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH 6 AM SUNDAY/... THE CLIPPER SYSTEM WILL COME THROUGH TONIGHT. THE GFS AND NAM HAVE BOTH MOVED BACK THE ONSET OF PRECIP UNTIL AFTER 00Z...AND BOTH MODELS KEEP THE BULK OF THE PRECIP NORTH OF THE MASON DIXON LINE. THE 21Z SREFS ARE IN AGREEMENT. SO...HAVE TAILORED POPS ACCORDINGLY. THE GREATEST CHANCES OF PRECIP REMAIN IN THE POTOMAC HIGHLANDS AND ALONG THE MASON DIXON LINE. PTYPE WILL BE AN ISSUE IN AREAS WEST OF THE BLUE RIDGE. THE HIGHLANDS SHOULD HAVE A SNOW-RAIN MIX EARLY...THEN A SWITCH TO ALL SNOW AFTER MIDNIGHT. CENTRAL MARYLAND AND EXTREME EASTERN PANHANDLE OF WEST VIRGINIA SHOULD HAVE MOSTLY RAIN...POSSIBLY MIXING WITH SNOW AFTER MIDNIGHT. FOR AREAS EAST OF THE BLUE RIDGE WITH POPS...ALL RAIN. POPULATED MIN TEMPS WITH MOSGUIDE...ADJUSTING UPWARDS A FEW DEGREES FOR THE COLD BIAS. && .LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/... THE LAST WAVE OF THE UPPER TROF WILL SLOWLY EXIT THE REGION OFF THE NORTHEAST COAST EARLY MONDAY. GFS/NAM AGREE THAT THE LOW WILL CLOSE OFF THE MEAN MID LEVEL FLOW AND DEEPEN...DRIFTING SE OFF CAPE COD MID MONDAY. THE SFC LOW WILL ALSO STRENGTHEN...WITH PRONOUNCED NORTHERLY CHANNELING ACROSS THE BAY AND NEARBY LAND AREAS STARTING LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. THIS WILL PRODUCE SCA WINDS OVER THE BAY FOR MUCH OF THE OVERNIGHT HRS AND INTO MONDAY AFTN. MEANWHILE...NAM HOLDS A FAIRLY SHALLOW BUT DECENT LAYER OF LOW LEVEL MOISTURE ACROSS THE MASON/DIXON LINE LATE SUN NIGHT. BEFORE THE LOW STRENGTHENS OFF THE COAST AND WINDS INCREASE OVER THE BAY...LOW CIGS AND VSBYS MAY BE PRESENT WITH THIS MEANDERING AREA OF HIGHER RH/S AND SCATTERED PRECIP. A WEAK RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE WILL TILT ACROSS THE EASTERN SEABOARD TUES INTO EARLY WED. THE SFC HIGH WILL ALLOW TEMPS TO REBOUND SLIGHTLY INTO THE U50S/L60S TUES/WED. TWO AREAS OF DEEPENING UPPER TROF REGIONS WILL DEVELOP ACROSS THE NORTHERN PLAINS LATE TUES. THE NORTHERN WAVE WILL PUSH A LONG POTENT COLD FRONT ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES REGION ON WED. THE FRONT IS EXPECTED TO REACH THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS OVERNIGHT WED INTO EARLY THURS...THOU THE NORTHERN STREAM OF THE UPPER JET AND THE STRONGEST FORCING FROM THE MID LEVEL TROF WILL SLIDE ACROSS THE ST. LAWRENCE INLET. THE COLD FRONT WILL MOST LIKELY DISSIPATE AS IT CROSS THE HIGHER TERRAIN EARLY THURS...BUT ONLY IN TERMS OF PRECIPITATION. STRONG NW FLOW AND COOLER TEMPS WILL BE PRESENT FOR THE END OF NEXT WEEK WITH A LONGWAVE TYPE PATTERN TO THE MAIN UPPER TROF...WHICH CONTINUES TO SLIDE WEAK BANDS OF UPPER ENERGY ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES REGION INTO NEXT WEEKEND. && .AVIATION /14Z SATURDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/... NEXT CYCLONE ADVANCES FROM THE MIDWEST INTO THE MID ATLANTIC THROUGH SUNDAY...BRINGING MID LEVEL CLOUDS WHICH WILL TEND TO THICKEN AND LOWER (REMAINING VFR) TONIGHT. SHOWER ACTIVITY EXPECTED TO FOCUS ALONG THE MOUNTAINS AND NORTH OF TERMINALS IN PENNSYLVANIA PER 06Z NAM/GFS AND 03Z SREF. AN AREA OF LOW LEVEL MOISTURE WILL PERSIST SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY...WITH POSSIBLE WIDESPREAD LOW CIGS/VSBYS OVERNIGHT. CONDITIONS SHOULD IMPROVE CLOSER TO THE BAY...WITH A STRONG NORTHERLY WIND DEVELOPING FROM AN OFFSHORE LOW. A COLD FRONT WILL REACH THE AREA LATE WED/EARLY THURS. AFTER THE FRONT PASSES...GUSTY NW WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN OVER THE REGION THRU THE END OF NEXT WEEK. && .MARINE... ETA/GFS MOS AND 09Z KLWX WRF-ARW SUGGEST WINDS AROUND 10KT BACK FROM WESTERLY TO SOUTHERLY THIS AFTERNOON IN ADVANCE OF AN APPROACHING WEAK CYCLONE FROM THE MIDWEST. SCA CONDITIONS DEVELOPING LATE SUNDAY WITH STRENGTHENING LOW OFF THE ATLANTIC COAST. NORTHERLY WINDS WILL CONTINUE TO CHANNEL THRU MIDDAY MONDAY AND DECREASE INTO THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL SLIDE ACROSS THE BAY ON THURS...WITH ANOTHER BURST OF SUSTAINED NW WINDS BEHIND THE FRONT. && .LWX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... DC...NONE. MD...NONE. VA...NONE. WV...NONE. MARINE...NONE. && $$ SYNOPSIS...LISTEMAA NEAR TERM...ROGOWSKI SHORT TERM...LISTEMAA LONG TERM...SCHOOR AVIATION...ROGOWSKI/SCHOOR MARINE...ROGOWSKI/SCHOOR
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...CORRECTED
NWS MARQUETTE MI
430 PM EST SAT NOV 17 2007 .SHORT TERM (TONIGHT AND SUN)... MAIN FCST ISSUES ARE CLOUDS AND MIN TEMPS TONIGHT. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY AND RUC ANALYSIS SHOW NW FLOW CONTINUING ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES BTWN A RIDGE OVER THE ROCKIES AND A TROF OVER SE CANADA. A WEAK SHORTWAVE WAS DROPPING ACROSS THE UPPER LAKES. AT THE SFC...HIGH PRES WAS LOCATED OVER NRN ONTARIO...NOT FAR FROM PICKLE LAKE. LES OFF LAKE SUPERIOR HAS BEEN GRADUALLY DIMINISHING TODAY WITH MOST OF THE PCPN NOT MUCH MORE THAN FLURRIES NOW. DIMINISHING TREND IS A RESULT OF 2 MAIN FACTORS. WITH APPROACHING SFC HIGH...LOW-LEVEL WINDS ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY ANTICYCLONIC... AND SECONDLY...INVERSION IS BEGINNING TO LOWER DUE TO SUBSIDENCE BEHIND PASSING SHORTWAVE. AT CWPL...00Z SOUNDING SHOWED INVERSION BASED AT 8KFT MSL WHILE 12Z SOUNDING SHOWED IT AT ONLY 4KFT MSL. EARLY AFTN TAMDAR SOUNDINGS SHOWED INVERSION AROUND 4KFT NEAR CYQT AND 5-5.5KFT NEAR KCMX/KSAW. WITH STEADILY LOWERING INVERSION AND WITH LOW-LEVEL WINDS ONLY BECOMING MORE ANTICYCLONIC AS SFC HIGH DRIFTS ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES TONIGHT...WILL ONLY CARRY A MENTION OF FLURRIES NEAR LAKE SUPERIOR FOR NE TO E FLOW FAVORED AREAS. FLURRIES WILL END DURING THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD. NEXT QUESTION IS CLOUD COVER WHICH WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON MIN TEMPS. HAVE TRIED TO DEPICT SHIFTING LAKE EFFECT CLOUD PATTERN BASED ON VEERING LOW-LEVEL WINDS AS HIGH PRES MOVES OVER THE AREA. THUS...EXPECT CLOUDS OVER THE E AND SRN FCST AREA TO SCATTER OUT FIRST WITH THE AREA FROM THE HURON MOUNTAINS ACROSS THE KEWEENAW PENINSULA LAST (LATE TONIGHT). ASSUMING THERE IS AT LEAST A FEW HRS OF CLR/PARTLY CLOUDY SKIES...RADIATIONAL COOLING WILL BE ENHANCED BY THE DRY COLUMN (PRECIPITABLE WATER ONLY AROUND 0.2 INCHES OR ABOUT 50PCT OF NORMAL). WILL THUS CONTINUE ALONG THE LINES OF THE PREVIOUS FCST WITH MINS GENERALLY BLO MOS GUIDANCE. LOWEST MINS WILL PROBABLY OCCUR IN THE SNOW COVERED AREA AROUND CHAMPION. LOWS MAY DIP JUST BLO 10F THERE. LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS MAY STILL BE AN ISSUE SUN...BUT THIS TIME OFF LAKE MI. AS WINDS VEER AROUND TO THE SE THEN S...WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO SOME LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS SHIFT N INTO PARTS OF CNTRL UPPER MI FOR PART OF SUN MORNING/EARLY AFTN. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT POTENTIAL...THE DAY SHOULD BEGIN MOSTLY SUNNY ACROSS THE FCST AREA. NEXT SHORTWAVE WILL BE MOVING E ACROSS SRN SASKATCHEWAN/SRN MANITOBA SUN AFTN. STRENGTHENING WAA PATTERN AHEAD OF THIS SYSTEM WILL LEAD TO FAIRLY STRONG MID LEVEL ISENTROPIC ASCENT (290 TO 300K SFCS) SPREADING TOWARD UPPER MI IN THE AFTN. THUS...LOOK FOR THE TYPICAL INCREASE AND LOWERING OF HIGH/MID CLOUDS FROM W TO E SUN AFTN AND NIGHT. SUFFICIENT MOISTENING FOR PCPN LOOKS TO HOLD OFF UNTIL SUN EVENING OVER THE FAR W NEAR KIWD...BUT WILL KEEP A MENTION OF CHC POPS OVER FAR WRN LAKE SUPERIOR LATE IN THE AFTN. .LONG TERM...(SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH SATURDAY) MAIN FCST CONCERNS SHIFT FROM PCPN CHANCES/TYPE SUN NIGHT INTO MON TO PCPN AND LAKE EFFECT POTENTIAL AS A MID LEVEL TROUGH MOVES THROUGH THE CNTRL CONUS. SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MON...THE FCST LEANS MORE TOWARD THE GFS WHICH WAS SUPPORTED BY THE UKMET/ECMWF. THE DYNAMIC PACIFIC SHORTWAVE TROUGH AND 150 KT 300 MB JET MOVES QUICKLY THROUGH THROUGH SRN CANADA NEAR THE US/CAN BORDER. MODERATE TO STRONG 700-300 MB QVECTOR CONV....UPPER LEVEL DIV ASSOCIATED WITH THE LEFT EXIT OF THE JET STAY JUST A BIT NORTH OF THE CWA. EVEN THROUGH THE AIRMASS STARTS OUT FAIRLY DRY...A STRONG BAND 290K-295 ISENTROPIC ASCENT WITH 50-60KT INFLOW OF 4 G/KG MOISTURE...POPS WERE RAISED OVER THE CWA. WITH A RELATIVELY BRIEF PERIOD OF STRONGEST UPWARD MOTION...OVERALL PCPN AMOUNTS SHOULD BE LIGHT...GENERALLY A TENTH OF AN INCH OR LESS. EXPECT THAT THE MAJORITY OF PCPN WILL FALL AS SNOW...GIVEN GFS/NAM TEMP PROFILES DURING THE PERIOD OF MAX LIFT. WITH THE STRONG WAA PATTERN BRINGING SFC-850 MB JUST ABOVE 0C(1000-850 MB THICKNESS AOA 1310 M)...A MIX WITH RAIN FROM LATE SUN NIGHT INTO MON MAY OCCUR AS THE PCPN DIMINISHES. WITH STRONG MID LEVEL DRYING MOVING IN OVER THE LOWER LEVEL MOIST LAYER...CANNOT RULE OUT SOME DZ OR EVEN FZDZ IF SOME COLDER SFC TEMPS LINGER BUT WILL NOT ADD MENTION NOW GIVEN REMAINING UNCERTAINTY ON DETAILS WITH BOTH PCPN AND AMOUNT OF LOW LEVEL MOISTURE. MON AFTERNOON INTO MON NIGHT...EXPECT PCPN TO END AS WEAK MID LEVEL AND SFC RIDGING PREVAIL. A SLIGHT CHANCE FOR RAIN OR SNOW WAS MENTIONED LATE MON NIGHT AS MID LEVEL FGEN AND SOME LIGHT PCPN COULD SPREAD FROM THE NRN PLAINS INTO THE WRN PORTION OF THE CWA. TUE THROUGH THU...THE 00Z ECMWF AND GFS WERE IN GOOD AGREEMENT INTO EARLY WED WITH THE FIRST ELONGATED SFC WAVE MOVING THROUGH THE ERN GREAT LAKES IN SW FLOW PATTERN AHEAD OF THE WRN CONUS TROUGH. MID LEVEL FGEN IN SW MID/UPPER LEVEL FLOW PATTERN WOULD SUPPORT POTENTIAL FOR PCPN BANDS INTO THE WRN LAKES. GFS/ECMWF LOW LEVEL TEMP SUGGEST PCPN WOULD BE MAINLY RAIN OR A MIX OF RAIN/SNOW EARLY TUE WITH COOLING BY LATE IN THE DAY RESULTING IN A CHANGEOVER TO SNOW LATE TUE INTO TUE NIGHT. THE MODELS THEN DIVERGE IN HANDLING ORIENTATION OF THE LONG WAVE TROUGH AND AMOUNT OF SHORTWAVE ENERGY MOVING TOWARD THE GREAT LAKES. THE 00Z/12Z ECMWF TAKES A FAST WEAKER LOW THROUGH THE ERN OH VALLEY THU WHILE THE 12Z GFS SHOWS A STRONGER LOW NEAR DTW(12Z THU) AND THE 12Z UKMET PLACES THE LOW FARTHEST WEST(OVER WRN LOWER MI). THE FCST LEANED MORE TOWARD A BLEND OF THE 06Z GFS AND 12Z ENS MEAN...SUPPORTED BY THE 12Z CANADIAN GLBL GEM...WHICH TAKES THE LOW TOWARD THE ERN LAKES. THIS WOULD FAVOR MAINLY LAKE EFFECT SHSN FOR NRLY FLOW FAVORED LOCATIONS WED NIGHT THROUGH THU WITH MAINLY LIGHT AMOUNTS. HOWEVER LARGE UNCERTAINTY REMAINS GIVEN THE TREND WITH THE 12Z GFS AND ENSEMBLES WHICH WOULD PLACE THE CWA IN THE AREA OF MORE WIDESPREAD MODERATE SNOW WITH SIGNIFICANT LAKE ENHANCEMENT. WITH LOW CONFIDENCE IN EVOLUTION OF THE SYSTEM...HEAVY SNOW POTENTIAL WAS NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN THE HWO AT THIS POINT. FRI-SAT...MODELS SHOW 850 MB TEMPS REMAINING COLD ENOUGH...FROM -10C TO -15C FOR CONTINUES LES. WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO BACK TO MORE WRLY AND POSSIBLY SW BY SAT. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 18Z TAF ISSUANCE)... HIGH PRES BUILDING SE ACROSS NRN ONTARIO THIS AFTN WILL SETTLE OVER UPPER MI TONIGHT AND THEN QUICKLY SHIFT E SUN. CHILLY NNE FLOW ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR WILL CONTINUE TO GENERATE -SHSN/FLURRIES INTO THE EVENING HRS BEFORE THE HIGH SETTLES OVER THE AREA. WHILE VIS WILL BE IN THE VFR RANGE WITH FLURRIES...VIS MAY DROP BRIEFLY AT TIMES TO MVFR IN -SHSN FOR THE NEXT FEW HRS. MEANWHILE...EXPECT CIGS TO FLUCTUATE BTWN ABOUT 2.5KFT AND 4KFT THRU THE AFTN INTO THE EVENING. AS THE HIGH SETTLES OVER UPPER MI TONIGHT...EXPECT CLOUDS TO SCATTER OUT OR CLEAR AT KCMX AND KSAW LATE IN THE NIGHT. WHILE KCMX SHOULD THEN REMAIN CLEAR THRU SUN MORNING...DEVELOPING SSE WINDS MAY RESULT IN LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS (MVFR CIGS) FROM LAKE MI SPREADING TO KSAW LATE SUN MORNING. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 PM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... MAIN FCST ISSUE IS THE GALE POTENTIAL SUN NIGHT/MON. HIGH PRES MOVING ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES TONIGHT...BRINGING DIMINISHING WINDS...WILL MOVE TO NEW ENGLAND BY SUN NIGHT AS IT STRENGTHENS. TIGHTENING PRES GRADIENT BTWN THE DEPARTING HIGH AND LOW PRES MOVING ACROSS SCNTRL CANADA WILL BRING INCREASING SRLY WINDS SUN. THE SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE FURTHER SUN NIGHT AS THE LOW MOVES TO NRN ONTARIO. 35 KT GALES APPEAR LIKELY ACROSS MUCH OF THE LAKE...AND WILL PROBABLY SEE FREQUENT GUSTS TO AROUND 40 KT OVER THE EASTERN PORTION LATE SUN NIGHT/MON MORNING. AS IS TYPICAL FOR SRLY WINDS... THE AREA AROUND GRAND MARAIS AT THE E END OF PICTURED ROCKS NATIONAL LAKESHORE WILL PROBABLY SEE SOME OF THE STRONGEST WINDS. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DIMINISH MON...WITH GALES ENDING BY EARLY AFTN AS LOW PRES WEAKENS AND MOVES TO JAMES BAY. AFTER A PERIOD OF LIGHTER WINDS MON NIGHT INTO TUE...WINDS WILL AGAIN INCREASE TUE NIGHT/WED AS LOW PRES MOVES NE TOWARD THE LOWER GREAT LAKES. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ SHORT TERM...ROLFSON LONG TERM...JLB AVIATION/MARINE...ROLFSON
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1237 PM EST SAT NOV 17 2007 UPDATED AVIATION SECTION FOR 18Z TAF ISSUANCE .DISCUSSION (ISSUED AT 345 AM EST)... 00Z RAOBS/LATEST WV IMAGERY AND RUC ANALYSIS SHOW NW FLOW ALF OVER THE UPR GRT LKS ON WRN FLANK OF UPR TROF IN SE CAN AND E OF RDGING THE ROCKIES BLDG INTO THE WRN PLAINS. SHRTWV EMBEDDED IN NW FLOW OVER NW ONTARIO IS APRCHG NW LK SUP...AND DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC/ H85-7 FGEN IN ADVANCE OF THIS FEATURE IS CAUSING SOME -SN OVER MAINLY THE SRN TIER ZNS. BUT GENERAL DRYNESS SHOWN ON THE 00Z INL/ GRB RAOBS AND 03Z TAMDAR SDNG FM CIU IS LIMITING THE COVG/INTENSITY OF THIS PCPN. WITH LGT WINDS ALG WEAK SFC-H85 TROF PRESSING ACRS LK SUP IN ADVANCE OF SHRTWV...LES HAS BEEN NEGLIGIBLE AS WELL. BUT MQT 88D SHOWING INCRSG RETURNS NR THE NCNTRL SHORE WITH SLOWLY INCRSG N WINDS OVER THE OPEN WATERS OF LK SUP ADVECTING COLDER AIR TO THE N (00Z H85 TEMP -13C AT YPL VS -5C AT GRB) AND BAND OF CLD ASSOCIATED WITH TROF/ANOTHER AXIS OF H85-7 FGEN MOVING S ACRS LK SUP. SFC DWPT DEPRESSIONS... 16F AT YQT AND 9F AT YGQ) SUG AIRMASS JUST N OF LK IS STILL RATHER DRY. BUT 00Z YPL SDNG SHOWS A RELATIVELY DEEP MOIST LYR UP TO HI INVRN BASE ARND H75 WITH H85 DEWPT DEPRESSION OF 0C. LAST SFC OB FM YPL AT 02Z SHOWED DEWPT DEPRESSION OF ONLY 3F. SOME LGT SN/FLURRIES FALLING IN THAT AREA ARND H85 THERMAL TROF. FARTHER NW...SFC HI PRES BLDG INTO FAR NW ONTARIO. YYQ SDNG IS RATHER DRY/STABLE WITH PWAT AT 0.14 INCH. FCST CONCERNS THIS PACKAGE ARE LES TRENDS/AMTS INTO THIS EVNG...THEN TEMPS LATER TNGT THRU SUN. FOCUS FOR LATE SUN/MON TURNS TO TIMING/ IMPACT OF SHRTWV IN THE NE PACIFIC EMBEDDED IN STRG WLY FLOW AIMED AT THE PAC NW. FOR TDAY...SHRTWV OVER ONTARIO PROGGED TO SLIDE ACRS LK SUP AND INTO UPR MI BY 00Z SUN WHILE SFC HI CENTER TRAILING THIS SYS FCST TO SETTLE TO JUST N OF INL. LGT SN OVER THE SRN TIER WL DIMINISH BY FCST ISSUANCE AS H85-7 FGEN AXIS/SOMEWHAT DEEPER MSTR IMPACTING THAT AREA NOW PUSHES TO THE SE. BUT EXPECT SOME INTENSIFICATION OF SN NR LK SUP TEMPORARILY EARLY THIS MRNG WITH ARRIVAL OF AXIS OF THICKER SC/H85-7 FGEN ASSOCIATED WITH SFC-H85 TROF AND COLDER H85 AIR BEHIND THIS FEATURE. ANY INTENSIFICATION SHOULD BE RELATIVELY MINOR THOUGH WITH NR SFC DRY AIR/HIER DWPT DEPRESSIONS FOLLOWING CLOSELY BEHIND THE TROF. ALTHOUGH ADVECTION OF MORE FVRBL AIRMASS SHOWN ON THE 00Z YPL SDNG MAY REINVIGORATE THE LES A BIT DURING THE DAY...ESPECIALLY IN AREAS FVRD BY FCST NNE FLOW...INCRSG H85-5 QVECTOR DVGC/H7 SUBSIDENCE/LARGER SCALE ACYC FLOW WITH WEAK H95 CNVGC/SINKING INVRN HGT ESPECIALLY AFT 18Z TO 3-4K FT BY 00Z AS SHOWN ON NAM/GFS FCST SDNGS (LOWEST OVER THE W CLOSEST TO SFC RDG AXIS) WL KEEP LES AMTS IN CHECK. GOING FCST LES TRENDS/AMTS AOB 1 INCH AT MOST SPOTS SEEM TO BE IN GOOD ORDER AND IN LTL NEED OF CHG. WITH INCRSG LARGER SCALE DNVA/H85-5 QVECTOR DVGC/HGT RISES/H7 SUBSIDENCE IN THE WAKE OF SHRTWV TNGT...DRY HI PRES FCST TO BLD ACRS THE CWA AFT 06Z. EXPECT ANY LINGERING FLURRIES NEAR LK SUP TO PERSIST LONGEST OVER THE NCNTRL IN UPSLOPE NNE FLOW TO THE SE OF THE HI CENTER BEFORE PASSAGE OF HI CENTER OVERNGT TURNS FLOW OFFSHORE AFT 06Z. PROSPECT OF CLRG SKIES/LGT WINDS/FCST PWAT TO ARND 0.15 INCH SUGS THE COLDEST NGT OF THE SEASON MAY BE IN STORE FOR MUCH OF THE FA...WITH THE LOWEST READINGS AWAY FM THE MODERATING INFLUENCE OF THE LKS. ALTHOUGH RETURN SLY FLOW DVLPG LATE OVER THE W MAY CHECK THE DIURNAL TEMP FALL...WL FCST LO TEMPS BLO MOS GUIDANCE AT MOST SPOTS WITH NEAR IDEAL RADIATION HEAT LOSS EXPECTED. SUN WL AT LEAST START ON THE MOSUNNY SIDE WITH HI PRES CENTERED JUST TO THE E OF ANJ AT 12Z SUN. BUT AS FLOW ALF BECOMES MORE ZONAL IN ADVANCE OF PACIFIC SHRTWV PLOWING ACRS SRN CAN AND SFC WINDS TURN SW BTWN DEPARTING SFC HI AND ACCOMPANYING SFC LO PRES OVER SCNTRL CAN SETTING UP ISENTROPIC LIFT ON THE GFS FCST 290K SFC...EXPECT AN INCRS IN MID/HI CLD LATE OVER THE W. ALTHOUGH UKMET SHOWS SIMILAR MID LVL MOISTENING...PREFER THE DRIER GFS FCST (DRY THRU 00Z MON VS UKMET WHICH GENERATES SOME PCPN AS FAR E AS THE WRN ZNS) DUE TO ANTECEDENT DRY AIRMASS AND ABSENCE OF SHARPER H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC/ UPR DVGC. WL MAINTAIN SCHC POPS ONLY OVER FAR WRN LK SUP NEAR TO WHERE GFS SHOWS PCPN ARRIVING ARND 00Z. OTRW...MIXING TO H875 ON GFS FCST SDNGS YIELDS HI TEMPS JUST A FEW DEGREES UNDER GOING FCST. ON SUN NGT...FAVORED GFS/UKMET/CNDN MODELS SHOW PACIFIC SHRTWV/SFC LO MOVING INTO NW ONTARIO BY 12Z MON. SINCE THE SHRTWV/SHARPEST DPVA/DEEP QVECTOR CNVGC/UPR DVGC ON CYC SIDE OF SUPPORTING JET AXIS LOOK TO REMAIN TO THE N...SUSPECT PCPN OVER THE LAND FA WL BE ON THE LGT SIDE...ESPECIALLY SINCE STRENGTHENING SW FLOW APPEARS TO TAP ONLY MARGINALLY MOIST AIR. GFS SHOWS ONLY NARROW BAND OF H7 SPECIFIC HUMIDITY AOA 3G/KG RETURNING N INTO THE UPR LKS...WITH MODEL FCST SDNGS NEVER SHOWING DEEP SATURATION FOR ANY SGNFT LENGTH OF TIME. LIKE GFS MOS IDEA OF POPS RANGING FM 10-20 OR SO OVER THE SCNTRL TO 40 AT CMX. THE DRY AIR SHOULD ENSURE THAT WHATEVER PCPN DOES FALL WL BE IN THE FORM OF SN PER WBLB ON FCST SDNGS...EXCEPT PERHAPS OVER THE FAR W LATE. BUT BEST ASCENT MIGHT BE PAST THERE AT THAT POINT WITH AXIS OF HIER SPECIFIC HUMIDITY OFF TO THE E BY THEN. MOST SGNFT IMPACT OF THIS SYS ON SUN NGT WL BE WINDS ESPECIALLY OVER LK SUP... WHERE GFS FCST SDNGS SHOW SSW 35KT WINDS WITHIN MIXED LYR BLO WAD INVRN. THESE STRONG WINDS/CLD COVER WL MITIGATE DIURNAL TEMP DROP IN FACE OF EVAPORATIVE COOLING. ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE A BREAK AFT INITIAL BAND OF OVERRNG PCPN ON SUN NGT...GFS/UKMET SHOW ANOTHER ROUND OF PCPN BREAKING OUT ON MON (WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF RA) IN PERSISTENT ISENTROPIC LIFT N OF WARM FNT EXTENDING E FM SFC LO IN THE NORTHERN PLAINS INTO NRN WI. ON THE OTHER HAND...CNDN/ECMWF MODELS SHOW ATTENDANT COLD FNT TO THE SW OF LO TRACKING THRU ONTARIO PASSAING ACRS THE CWA DURING THE DAY...WITH DRYING FCST IN THE AFTN. CONSIDERING THE MAJOR DISCREPANCIES BTWN THESE TWO CAMPS...OPTED TO LEAVE GOING FCST AS IS ON MON IN AGREEMENT WITH GFS/UKMET GUIDANCE. COORDINATED WITH APX/GRB. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 18Z TAF ISSUANCE)... HIGH PRES BUILDING SE ACROSS NRN ONTARIO THIS AFTN WILL SETTLE OVER UPPER MI TONIGHT AND THEN QUICKLY SHIFT E SUN. CHILLY NNE FLOW ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR WILL CONTINUE TO GENERATE -SHSN/FLURRIES INTO THE EVENING HRS BEFORE THE HIGH SETTLES OVER THE AREA. WHILE VIS WILL BE IN THE VFR RANGE WITH FLURRIES...VIS MAY DROP BRIEFLY AT TIMES TO MVFR IN -SHSN FOR THE NEXT FEW HRS. MEANWHILE...EXPECT CIGS TO FLUCTUATE BTWN ABOUT 2.5KFT AND 4KFT THRU THE AFTN INTO THE EVENING. AS THE HIGH SETTLES OVER UPPER MI TONIGHT...EXPECT CLOUDS TO SCATTER OUT OR CLEAR AT KCMX AND KSAW LATE IN THE NIGHT. WHILE KCMX SHOULD THEN REMAIN CLEAR THRU SUN MORNING...DEVELOPING SSE WINDS MAY RESULT IN LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS (MVFR CIGS) FROM LAKE MI SPREADING TO KSAW LATE SUN MORNING. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 AM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... WINDS OF 15 TO 25 KT ARE POSSIBLE THIS MORNING AS HIGH PRESSURE OVER NORTHERN MANITOBA BUILDS SOUTH TOWARDS LAKE SUPERIOR. EXPECT WINDS TO DROP OFF TONIGHT AS THE HIGH CROSSES. ON SUNDAY...LOOK FOR WINDS TO SHIFT TO THE SOUTH AND PICK UP AGAIN AS THE HIGH SHIFTS OFF INTO QUEBEC...WITH 25 KT WINDS POSSIBLE ACROSS MUCH OF THE LAKE BY LATE IN THE DAY. THE SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE FURTHER SUN NIGHT AS LOW PRESSURE IN SW MANITOBA MOVES INTO WESTERN ONTARIO. 35 KT GALES SEEM LIKELY ACROSS MUCH OF THE LAKE...AND PROBABLY 40 KT OVER THE EASTERN PORTION. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DIMINISH ON MONDAY...WITH ANY GALES ENDING BY EARLY IN THE AFTERNOON...THANKS TO THE SURFACE LOW WEAKENING AND LIFTING INTO FAR NORTHERN ONTARIO. LOOK FOR WINDS TO SHIFT TO THE WEST LATE MONDAY AND NW MONDAY NIGHT WHILE DIMINISHING BELOW 20 KT...DUE TO THE COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW CROSSING LAKE SUPERIOR. THIS FRONT WILL STALL IN SOUTHERN LOWER MICHIGAN TUE MORNING WHILE HIGH PRESSURE BEGINS BUILDING SOUTH OUT OF CANADA. A SURFACE LOW IS EXPECTED TO RIDE UP ALONG THE FRONT LATE TUE... CAUSING NORTHERLY WINDS TO INCREASE TO 15 TO 25 KT ON LAKE SUPERIOR TUE NIGHT. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DIMINISH ON WEDNESDAY AS THE LOW HEADS TOWARDS NEW ENGLAND AND THE AFOREMENTIONED HIGH BUILDS IN. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ DISCUSSION...KC AVIATION...ROLFSON MARINE...AJ
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634 AM EST SAT NOV 17 2007 UPDATED AVIATION SECTION FOR 12Z TAF ISSUANCE .DISCUSSION... 00Z RAOBS/LATEST WV IMAGERY AND RUC ANALYSIS SHOW NW FLOW ALF OVER THE UPR GRT LKS ON WRN FLANK OF UPR TROF IN SE CAN AND E OF RDGING THE ROCKIES BLDG INTO THE WRN PLAINS. SHRTWV EMBEDDED IN NW FLOW OVER NW ONTARIO IS APRCHG NW LK SUP...AND DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC/ H85-7 FGEN IN ADVANCE OF THIS FEATURE IS CAUSING SOME -SN OVER MAINLY THE SRN TIER ZNS. BUT GENERAL DRYNESS SHOWN ON THE 00Z INL/ GRB RAOBS AND 03Z TAMDAR SDNG FM CIU IS LIMITING THE COVG/INTENSITY OF THIS PCPN. WITH LGT WINDS ALG WEAK SFC-H85 TROF PRESSING ACRS LK SUP IN ADVANCE OF SHRTWV...LES HAS BEEN NEGLIGIBLE AS WELL. BUT MQT 88D SHOWING INCRSG RETURNS NR THE NCNTRL SHORE WITH SLOWLY INCRSG N WINDS OVER THE OPEN WATERS OF LK SUP ADVECTING COLDER AIR TO THE N (00Z H85 TEMP -13C AT YPL VS -5C AT GRB) AND BAND OF CLD ASSOCIATED WITH TROF/ANOTHER AXIS OF H85-7 FGEN MOVING S ACRS LK SUP. SFC DWPT DEPRESSIONS... 16F AT YQT AND 9F AT YGQ) SUG AIRMASS JUST N OF LK IS STILL RATHER DRY. BUT 00Z YPL SDNG SHOWS A RELATIVELY DEEP MOIST LYR UP TO HI INVRN BASE ARND H75 WITH H85 DEWPT DEPRESSION OF 0C. LAST SFC OB FM YPL AT 02Z SHOWED DEWPT DEPRESSION OF ONLY 3F. SOME LGT SN/FLURRIES FALLING IN THAT AREA ARND H85 THERMAL TROF. FARTHER NW...SFC HI PRES BLDG INTO FAR NW ONTARIO. YYQ SDNG IS RATHER DRY/STABLE WITH PWAT AT 0.14 INCH. FCST CONCERNS THIS PACKAGE ARE LES TRENDS/AMTS INTO THIS EVNG...THEN TEMPS LATER TNGT THRU SUN. FOCUS FOR LATE SUN/MON TURNS TO TIMING/ IMPACT OF SHRTWV IN THE NE PACIFIC EMBEDDED IN STRG WLY FLOW AIMED AT THE PAC NW. FOR TDAY...SHRTWV OVER ONTARIO PROGGED TO SLIDE ACRS LK SUP AND INTO UPR MI BY 00Z SUN WHILE SFC HI CENTER TRAILING THIS SYS FCST TO SETTLE TO JUST N OF INL. LGT SN OVER THE SRN TIER WL DIMINISH BY FCST ISSUANCE AS H85-7 FGEN AXIS/SOMEWHAT DEEPER MSTR IMPACTING THAT AREA NOW PUSHES TO THE SE. BUT EXPECT SOME INTENSIFICATION OF SN NR LK SUP TEMPORARILY EARLY THIS MRNG WITH ARRIVAL OF AXIS OF THICKER SC/H85-7 FGEN ASSOCIATED WITH SFC-H85 TROF AND COLDER H85 AIR BEHIND THIS FEATURE. ANY INTENSIFICATION SHOULD BE RELATIVELY MINOR THOUGH WITH NR SFC DRY AIR/HIER DWPT DEPRESSIONS FOLLOWING CLOSELY BEHIND THE TROF. ALTHOUGH ADVECTION OF MORE FVRBL AIRMASS SHOWN ON THE 00Z YPL SDNG MAY REINVIGORATE THE LES A BIT DURING THE DAY...ESPECIALLY IN AREAS FVRD BY FCST NNE FLOW...INCRSG H85-5 QVECTOR DVGC/H7 SUBSIDENCE/LARGER SCALE ACYC FLOW WITH WEAK H95 CNVGC/SINKING INVRN HGT ESPECIALLY AFT 18Z TO 3-4K FT BY 00Z AS SHOWN ON NAM/GFS FCST SDNGS (LOWEST OVER THE W CLOSEST TO SFC RDG AXIS) WL KEEP LES AMTS IN CHECK. GOING FCST LES TRENDS/AMTS AOB 1 INCH AT MOST SPOTS SEEM TO BE IN GOOD ORDER AND IN LTL NEED OF CHG. WITH INCRSG LARGER SCALE DNVA/H85-5 QVECTOR DVGC/HGT RISES/H7 SUBSIDENCE IN THE WAKE OF SHRTWV TNGT...DRY HI PRES FCST TO BLD ACRS THE CWA AFT 06Z. EXPECT ANY LINGERING FLURRIES NEAR LK SUP TO PERSIST LONGEST OVER THE NCNTRL IN UPSLOPE NNE FLOW TO THE SE OF THE HI CENTER BEFORE PASSAGE OF HI CENTER OVERNGT TURNS FLOW OFFSHORE AFT 06Z. PROSPECT OF CLRG SKIES/LGT WINDS/FCST PWAT TO ARND 0.15 INCH SUGS THE COLDEST NGT OF THE SEASON MAY BE IN STORE FOR MUCH OF THE FA...WITH THE LOWEST READINGS AWAY FM THE MODERATING INFLUENCE OF THE LKS. ALTHOUGH RETURN SLY FLOW DVLPG LATE OVER THE W MAY CHECK THE DIURNAL TEMP FALL...WL FCST LO TEMPS BLO MOS GUIDANCE AT MOST SPOTS WITH NEAR IDEAL RADIATION HEAT LOSS EXPECTED. SUN WL AT LEAST START ON THE MOSUNNY SIDE WITH HI PRES CENTERED JUST TO THE E OF ANJ AT 12Z SUN. BUT AS FLOW ALF BECOMES MORE ZONAL IN ADVANCE OF PACIFIC SHRTWV PLOWING ACRS SRN CAN AND SFC WINDS TURN SW BTWN DEPARTING SFC HI AND ACCOMPANYING SFC LO PRES OVER SCNTRL CAN SETTING UP ISENTROPIC LIFT ON THE GFS FCST 290K SFC...EXPECT AN INCRS IN MID/HI CLD LATE OVER THE W. ALTHOUGH UKMET SHOWS SIMILAR MID LVL MOISTENING...PREFER THE DRIER GFS FCST (DRY THRU 00Z MON VS UKMET WHICH GENERATES SOME PCPN AS FAR E AS THE WRN ZNS) DUE TO ANTECEDENT DRY AIRMASS AND ABSENCE OF SHARPER H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC/ UPR DVGC. WL MAINTAIN SCHC POPS ONLY OVER FAR WRN LK SUP NEAR TO WHERE GFS SHOWS PCPN ARRIVING ARND 00Z. OTRW...MIXING TO H875 ON GFS FCST SDNGS YIELDS HI TEMPS JUST A FEW DEGREES UNDER GOING FCST. ON SUN NGT...FAVORED GFS/UKMET/CNDN MODELS SHOW PACIFIC SHRTWV/SFC LO MOVING INTO NW ONTARIO BY 12Z MON. SINCE THE SHRTWV/SHARPEST DPVA/DEEP QVECTOR CNVGC/UPR DVGC ON CYC SIDE OF SUPPORTING JET AXIS LOOK TO REMAIN TO THE N...SUSPECT PCPN OVER THE LAND FA WL BE ON THE LGT SIDE...ESPECIALLY SINCE STRENGTHENING SW FLOW APPEARS TO TAP ONLY MARGINALLY MOIST AIR. GFS SHOWS ONLY NARROW BAND OF H7 SPECIFIC HUMIDITY AOA 3G/KG RETURNING N INTO THE UPR LKS...WITH MODEL FCST SDNGS NEVER SHOWING DEEP SATURATION FOR ANY SGNFT LENGTH OF TIME. LIKE GFS MOS IDEA OF POPS RANGING FM 10-20 OR SO OVER THE SCNTRL TO 40 AT CMX. THE DRY AIR SHOULD ENSURE THAT WHATEVER PCPN DOES FALL WL BE IN THE FORM OF SN PER WBLB ON FCST SDNGS...EXCEPT PERHAPS OVER THE FAR W LATE. BUT BEST ASCENT MIGHT BE PAST THERE AT THAT POINT WITH AXIS OF HIER SPECIFIC HUMIDITY OFF TO THE E BY THEN. MOST SGNFT IMPACT OF THIS SYS ON SUN NGT WL BE WINDS ESPECIALLY OVER LK SUP... WHERE GFS FCST SDNGS SHOW SSW 35KT WINDS WITHIN MIXED LYR BLO WAD INVRN. THESE STRONG WINDS/CLD COVER WL MITIGATE DIURNAL TEMP DROP IN FACE OF EVAPORATIVE COOLING. ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE A BREAK AFT INITIAL BAND OF OVERRNG PCPN ON SUN NGT...GFS/UKMET SHOW ANOTHER ROUND OF PCPN BREAKING OUT ON MON (WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF RA) IN PERSISTENT ISENTROPIC LIFT N OF WARM FNT EXTENDING E FM SFC LO IN THE NORTHERN PLAINS INTO NRN WI. ON THE OTHER HAND...CNDN/ECMWF MODELS SHOW ATTENDANT COLD FNT TO THE SW OF LO TRACKING THRU ONTARIO PASSAING ACRS THE CWA DURING THE DAY...WITH DRYING FCST IN THE AFTN. CONSIDERING THE MAJOR DISCREPANCIES BTWN THESE TWO CAMPS...OPTED TO LEAVE GOING FCST AS IS ON MON IN AGREEMENT WITH GFS/UKMET GUIDANCE. COORDINATED WITH APX/GRB. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 12Z TAF ISSUANCE)... NORTH TO NORTHEAST LOW LEVEL FLOW IN ADVANCE OF COLD AND MOIST HIGH PRESSURE DROPPING SOUTH THROUGH MANITOBA IS PUSHING A CONVERGENT WEST TO EAST BAND OF LAKE EFFECT SNOW ACROSS SAW AS OF 1115Z. THIS BAND OF SNOW IS WEAKENING AND SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO SO AS IT BECOMES FURTHER REMOVED FROM THE HEAT SOURCE OF LAKE SUPERIOR. HOWEVER... LIGHT LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS WILL PERSIST THROUGH THE DAY...MAINLY AFFECTING SAW AS A NNE WIND AT CMX IS NOT AS FAVORABLE. IN ADDITION...NNE WINDS COMBINED WITH CEILINGS NORTH OF LAKE SUPERIOR IN THE MVFR CATEGORY SUGGESTS THAT SAW SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD ONTO AN MVFR DECK...DESPITE ANY MIXING THAT MIGHT OCCUR FROM DAYTIME HEATING. SNOW SHOWERS SHOULD END THIS EVENING AS THE HIGH PRESSURE AREA BEGINS TO MOVE OVER UPPER MICHIGAN...BUT WITH THE HIGH COMES A LOWERING INVERSION...WHICH WOULD HELP TO KEEP CEILING HEIGHTS WHERE THEY ARE. MODELS SUGGEST ENOUGH DRY AIR WILL COME IN LATE IN THE EVENING AT CMX AND AFTER MIDNIGHT AT SAW TO RESULT IN SOME CLEARING...THOUGH NO SIGNIFICANT CLEARING IS EXPECTED UNTIL THE GENERAL LOW LEVEL WINDS TURN SOUTH SUNDAY MORNING. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 AM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... WINDS OF 15 TO 25 KT ARE POSSIBLE THIS MORNING AS HIGH PRESSURE OVER NORTHERN MANITOBA BUILDS SOUTH TOWARDS LAKE SUPERIOR. EXPECT WINDS TO DROP OFF TONIGHT AS THE HIGH CROSSES. ON SUNDAY...LOOK FOR WINDS TO SHIFT TO THE SOUTH AND PICK UP AGAIN AS THE HIGH SHIFTS OFF INTO QUEBEC...WITH 25 KT WINDS POSSIBLE ACROSS MUCH OF THE LAKE BY LATE IN THE DAY. THE SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE FURTHER SUN NIGHT AS LOW PRESSURE IN SW MANITOBA MOVES INTO WESTERN ONTARIO. 35 KT GALES SEEM LIKELY ACROSS MUCH OF THE LAKE...AND PROBABLY 40 KT OVER THE EASTERN PORTION. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DIMINISH ON MONDAY...WITH ANY GALES ENDING BY EARLY IN THE AFTERNOON...THANKS TO THE SURFACE LOW WEAKENING AND LIFTING INTO FAR NORTHERN ONTARIO. LOOK FOR WINDS TO SHIFT TO THE WEST LATE MONDAY AND NW MONDAY NIGHT WHILE DIMINISHING BELOW 20 KT...DUE TO THE COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW CROSSING LAKE SUPERIOR. THIS FRONT WILL STALL IN SOUTHERN LOWER MICHIGAN TUE MORNING WHILE HIGH PRESSURE BEGINS BUILDING SOUTH OUT OF CANADA. A SURFACE LOW IS EXPECTED TO RIDE UP ALONG THE FRONT LATE TUE... CAUSING NORTHERLY WINDS TO INCREASE TO 15 TO 25 KT ON LAKE SUPERIOR TUE NIGHT. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DIMINISH ON WEDNESDAY AS THE LOW HEADS TOWARDS NEW ENGLAND AND THE AFOREMENTIONED HIGH BUILDS IN. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ DISCUSSION...KC AVIATION...AJ MARINE...AJ
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS MARQUETTE MI
345 AM EST SAT NOV 17 2007 .DISCUSSION... 00Z RAOBS/LATEST WV IMAGERY AND RUC ANALYSIS SHOW NW FLOW ALF OVER THE UPR GRT LKS ON WRN FLANK OF UPR TROF IN SE CAN AND E OF RDGING THE ROCKIES BLDG INTO THE WRN PLAINS. SHRTWV EMBEDDED IN NW FLOW OVER NW ONTARIO IS APRCHG NW LK SUP...AND DPVA/H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC/ H85-7 FGEN IN ADVANCE OF THIS FEATURE IS CAUSING SOME -SN OVER MAINLY THE SRN TIER ZNS. BUT GENERAL DRYNESS SHOWN ON THE 00Z INL/ GRB RAOBS AND 03Z TAMDAR SDNG FM CIU IS LIMITING THE COVG/INTENSITY OF THIS PCPN. WITH LGT WINDS ALG WEAK SFC-H85 TROF PRESSING ACRS LK SUP IN ADVANCE OF SHRTWV...LES HAS BEEN NEGLIGIBLE AS WELL. BUT MQT 88D SHOWING INCRSG RETURNS NR THE NCNTRL SHORE WITH SLOWLY INCRSG N WINDS OVER THE OPEN WATERS OF LK SUP ADVECTING COLDER AIR TO THE N (00Z H85 TEMP -13C AT YPL VS -5C AT GRB) AND BAND OF CLD ASSOCIATED WITH TROF/ANOTHER AXIS OF H85-7 FGEN MOVING S ACRS LK SUP. SFC DWPT DEPRESSIONS... 16F AT YQT AND 9F AT YGQ) SUG AIRMASS JUST N OF LK IS STILL RATHER DRY. BUT 00Z YPL SDNG SHOWS A RELATIVELY DEEP MOIST LYR UP TO HI INVRN BASE ARND H75 WITH H85 DEWPT DEPRESSION OF 0C. LAST SFC OB FM YPL AT 02Z SHOWED DEWPT DEPRESSION OF ONLY 3F. SOME LGT SN/FLURRIES FALLING IN THAT AREA ARND H85 THERMAL TROF. FARTHER NW...SFC HI PRES BLDG INTO FAR NW ONTARIO. YYQ SDNG IS RATHER DRY/STABLE WITH PWAT AT 0.14 INCH. FCST CONCERNS THIS PACKAGE ARE LES TRENDS/AMTS INTO THIS EVNG...THEN TEMPS LATER TNGT THRU SUN. FOCUS FOR LATE SUN/MON TURNS TO TIMING/ IMPACT OF SHRTWV IN THE NE PACIFIC EMBEDDED IN STRG WLY FLOW AIMED AT THE PAC NW. FOR TDAY...SHRTWV OVER ONTARIO PROGGED TO SLIDE ACRS LK SUP AND INTO UPR MI BY 00Z SUN WHILE SFC HI CENTER TRAILING THIS SYS FCST TO SETTLE TO JUST N OF INL. LGT SN OVER THE SRN TIER WL DIMINISH BY FCST ISSUANCE AS H85-7 FGEN AXIS/SOMEWHAT DEEPER MSTR IMPACTING THAT AREA NOW PUSHES TO THE SE. BUT EXPECT SOME INTENSIFICATION OF SN NR LK SUP TEMPORARILY EARLY THIS MRNG WITH ARRIVAL OF AXIS OF THICKER SC/H85-7 FGEN ASSOCIATED WITH SFC-H85 TROF AND COLDER H85 AIR BEHIND THIS FEATURE. ANY INTENSIFICATION SHOULD BE RELATIVELY MINOR THOUGH WITH NR SFC DRY AIR/HIER DWPT DEPRESSIONS FOLLOWING CLOSELY BEHIND THE TROF. ALTHOUGH ADVECTION OF MORE FVRBL AIRMASS SHOWN ON THE 00Z YPL SDNG MAY REINVIGORATE THE LES A BIT DURING THE DAY...ESPECIALLY IN AREAS FVRD BY FCST NNE FLOW...INCRSG H85-5 QVECTOR DVGC/H7 SUBSIDENCE/LARGER SCALE ACYC FLOW WITH WEAK H95 CNVGC/SINKING INVRN HGT ESPECIALLY AFT 18Z TO 3-4K FT BY 00Z AS SHOWN ON NAM/GFS FCST SDNGS (LOWEST OVER THE W CLOSEST TO SFC RDG AXIS) WL KEEP LES AMTS IN CHECK. GOING FCST LES TRENDS/AMTS AOB 1 INCH AT MOST SPOTS SEEM TO BE IN GOOD ORDER AND IN LTL NEED OF CHG. WITH INCRSG LARGER SCALE DNVA/H85-5 QVECTOR DVGC/HGT RISES/H7 SUBSIDENCE IN THE WAKE OF SHRTWV TNGT...DRY HI PRES FCST TO BLD ACRS THE CWA AFT 06Z. EXPECT ANY LINGERING FLURRIES NEAR LK SUP TO PERSIST LONGEST OVER THE NCNTRL IN UPSLOPE NNE FLOW TO THE SE OF THE HI CENTER BEFORE PASSAGE OF HI CENTER OVERNGT TURNS FLOW OFFSHORE AFT 06Z. PROSPECT OF CLRG SKIES/LGT WINDS/FCST PWAT TO ARND 0.15 INCH SUGS THE COLDEST NGT OF THE SEASON MAY BE IN STORE FOR MUCH OF THE FA...WITH THE LOWEST READINGS AWAY FM THE MODERATING INFLUENCE OF THE LKS. ALTHOUGH RETURN SLY FLOW DVLPG LATE OVER THE W MAY CHECK THE DIURNAL TEMP FALL...WL FCST LO TEMPS BLO MOS GUIDANCE AT MOST SPOTS WITH NEAR IDEAL RADIATION HEAT LOSS EXPECTED. SUN WL AT LEAST START ON THE MOSUNNY SIDE WITH HI PRES CENTERED JUST TO THE E OF ANJ AT 12Z SUN. BUT AS FLOW ALF BECOMES MORE ZONAL IN ADVANCE OF PACIFIC SHRTWV PLOWING ACRS SRN CAN AND SFC WINDS TURN SW BTWN DEPARTING SFC HI AND ACCOMPANYING SFC LO PRES OVER SCNTRL CAN SETTING UP ISENTROPIC LIFT ON THE GFS FCST 290K SFC...EXPECT AN INCRS IN MID/HI CLD LATE OVER THE W. ALTHOUGH UKMET SHOWS SIMILAR MID LVL MOISTENING...PREFER THE DRIER GFS FCST (DRY THRU 00Z MON VS UKMET WHICH GENERATES SOME PCPN AS FAR E AS THE WRN ZNS) DUE TO ANTECEDENT DRY AIRMASS AND ABSENCE OF SHARPER H85-5 QVECTOR CNVGC/ UPR DVGC. WL MAINTAIN SCHC POPS ONLY OVER FAR WRN LK SUP NEAR TO WHERE GFS SHOWS PCPN ARRIVING ARND 00Z. OTRW...MIXING TO H875 ON GFS FCST SDNGS YIELDS HI TEMPS JUST A FEW DEGREES UNDER GOING FCST. ON SUN NGT...FAVORED GFS/UKMET/CNDN MODELS SHOW PACIFIC SHRTWV/SFC LO MOVING INTO NW ONTARIO BY 12Z MON. SINCE THE SHRTWV/SHARPEST DPVA/DEEP QVECTOR CNVGC/UPR DVGC ON CYC SIDE OF SUPPORTING JET AXIS LOOK TO REMAIN TO THE N...SUSPECT PCPN OVER THE LAND FA WL BE ON THE LGT SIDE...ESPECIALLY SINCE STRENGTHENING SW FLOW APPEARS TO TAP ONLY MARGINALLY MOIST AIR. GFS SHOWS ONLY NARROW BAND OF H7 SPECIFIC HUMIDITY AOA 3G/KG RETURNING N INTO THE UPR LKS...WITH MODEL FCST SDNGS NEVER SHOWING DEEP SATURATION FOR ANY SGNFT LENGTH OF TIME. LIKE GFS MOS IDEA OF POPS RANGING FM 10-20 OR SO OVER THE SCNTRL TO 40 AT CMX. THE DRY AIR SHOULD ENSURE THAT WHATEVER PCPN DOES FALL WL BE IN THE FORM OF SN PER WBLB ON FCST SDNGS...EXCEPT PERHAPS OVER THE FAR W LATE. BUT BEST ASCENT MIGHT BE PAST THERE AT THAT POINT WITH AXIS OF HIER SPECIFIC HUMIDITY OFF TO THE E BY THEN. MOST SGNFT IMPACT OF THIS SYS ON SUN NGT WL BE WINDS ESPECIALLY OVER LK SUP... WHERE GFS FCST SDNGS SHOW SSW 35KT WINDS WITHIN MIXED LYR BLO WAD INVRN. THESE STRONG WINDS/CLD COVER WL MITIGATE DIURNAL TEMP DROP IN FACE OF EVAPORATIVE COOLING. ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE A BREAK AFT INITIAL BAND OF OVERRNG PCPN ON SUN NGT...GFS/UKMET SHOW ANOTHER ROUND OF PCPN BREAKING OUT ON MON (WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF RA) IN PERSISTENT ISENTROPIC LIFT N OF WARM FNT EXTENDING E FM SFC LO IN THE NORTHERN PLAINS INTO NRN WI. ON THE OTHER HAND...CNDN/ECMWF MODELS SHOW ATTENDANT COLD FNT TO THE SW OF LO TRACKING THRU ONTARIO PASSAING ACRS THE CWA DURING THE DAY...WITH DRYING FCST IN THE AFTN. CONSIDERING THE MAJOR DISCREPANCIES BTWN THESE TWO CAMPS...OPTED TO LEAVE GOING FCST AS IS ON MON IN AGREEMENT WITH GFS/UKMET GUIDANCE. COORDINATED WITH APX/GRB. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 06Z TAF ISSUANCE)... HIGH PRESSURE OVER NRN MANITOBA WILL DRIFT TOWARD NRN ONTARIO LATE TONIGHT AND SAT. AS A RESULT LOW-LEVEL WIND FLOW WILL BECOMING NNE ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR LATE TONIGHT THRU SAT MORNING. WITH THE LOW-LEVEL AIRMASS COOLING UNDER THIS FLOW REGIME...LAKE EFFECT CLOUDINESS AND SOME -SHSN/FLURRIES WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT AND CONTINUE INTO SAT. DESPITE THE COOLER AIRMASS...FAIRLY DRY BOUNDARY LAYER CONDITIONS SHOULD KEEP -SHSN SCT. EXPECT VFR VIS TO PREVAIL FOR THE ENTIRE FCST PERIOD AT KCMX AND KSAW. WITH MORE FAVORABLE UPSLOPE WIND...-SHSN WILL BE A BIT MORE FREQUENT AT KSAW...AND CIGS WILL LIKELY DROP INTO THE HIGH MVFR RANGE ON SAT. EXPECT VFR CIGS AT KCMX. WEAKENING NRLY FLOW AS THE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE BUILDS OVER THE AREA COULD RESULT IN SOME PARTIAL CLEARING BY LATE EVENING AT BOTH TAF SITES. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 AM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... WINDS OF 15 TO 25 KT ARE POSSIBLE THIS MORNING AS HIGH PRESSURE OVER NORTHERN MANITOBA BUILDS SOUTH TOWARDS LAKE SUPERIOR. EXPECT WINDS TO DROP OFF TONIGHT AS THE HIGH CROSSES. ON SUNDAY...LOOK FOR WINDS TO SHIFT TO THE SOUTH AND PICK UP AGAIN AS THE HIGH SHIFTS OFF INTO QUEBEC...WITH 25 KT WINDS POSSIBLE ACROSS MUCH OF THE LAKE BY LATE IN THE DAY. THE SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE FURTHER SUN NIGHT AS LOW PRESSURE IN SW MANITOBA MOVES INTO WESTERN ONTARIO. 35 KT GALES SEEM LIKELY ACROSS MUCH OF THE LAKE...AND PROBABLY 40 KT OVER THE EASTERN PORTION. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DIMINISH ON MONDAY...WITH ANY GALES ENDING BY EARLY IN THE AFTERNOON...THANKS TO THE SURFACE LOW WEAKENING AND LIFTING INTO FAR NORTHERN ONTARIO. LOOK FOR WINDS TO SHIFT TO THE WEST LATE MONDAY AND NW MONDAY NIGHT WHILE DIMINISHING BELOW 20 KT...DUE TO THE COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW CROSSING LAKE SUPERIOR. THIS FRONT WILL STALL IN SOUTHERN LOWER MICHIGAN TUE MORNING WHILE HIGH PRESSURE BEGINS BUILDING SOUTH OUT OF CANADA. A SURFACE LOW IS EXPECTED TO RIDE UP ALONG THE FRONT LATE TUE... CAUSING NORTHERLY WINDS TO INCREASE TO 15 TO 25 KT ON LAKE SUPERIOR TUE NIGHT. WINDS WILL SLOWLY DIMINISH ON WEDNESDAY AS THE LOW HEADS TOWARDS NEW ENGLAND AND THE AFOREMENTIONED HIGH BUILDS IN. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ DISCUSSION...KC AVIATION...AJ MARINE...AJ
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NWS MARQUETTE MI
1221 AM EST SAT NOV 17 2007 UPDATED AVIATION SECTION FOR 06Z TAF ISSUANCE .SHORT TERM (TONIGHT AND SAT)... MAIN FCST ISSUE IS LES POTENTIAL TONIGHT/SAT. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY AND RUC ANALYSIS SHOW NW FLOW ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES BTWN A DEEP TROF FROM HUDSON BAY TO NEW ENGLAND AND A RIDGE OVER THE ROCKIES. WEAK SHORTWAVE WAS NOTED OVER NRN ONTARIO. AT THE SFC...HIGH PRES WAS CENTERED OVER NRN MANITOBA AND THE GULF COAST WHILE LOW PRES WAS JUST E OF MAINE AND A TROF EXTENDED SE ACROSS THE DAKOTAS. LOCATED BTWN THESE PRES FEATURES...A COL AREA WAS OVER UPPER MI/LAKE SUPERIOR...AND THUS LIGHT WINDS HAVE BEEN THE RULE HERE TODAY. BAND OF LOW-MIDLEVEL FRONTOGENESIS FROM NRN MN ACROSS NRN WI HAS BEEN GENERATING A BAND OF CLOUDS AND RADAR RETURNS. NOT ALL OF THE PCPN ALOFT HAS BEEN REACHING THE GROUND... BUT RECENT SFC OBS DO SHOW SOME FLURRIES/-SN STREAKING ALONG THE MI/WI BORDER AREA. LES HAS BEEN NONEXISTENT OFF LAKE SUPERIOR TODAY. EARLY AFTN TAMDAR SOUNDING FROM KCMX INDICATED 850MB TEMP AROUND -9C. WITH WATER TEMP AROUND 6C...DELTA-T AROUND 15C IS SUFFICIENT FOR LES...BUT THE DISORGANIZED WIND FIELD AND WELL-MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER PER TAMDAR SOUNDING HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LACK OF LES. THERE HASN`T BEEN MUCH IN THE WAY OF LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS EITHER. EXPECT -SN/FLURRIES ALONG THE WI/MI BORDER TO BE OUT OF THE AREA BY 00Z. THEN ATTENTION TURNS TO LES. ALTHOUGH SHORTWAVE OVER NRN ONTARIO WILL DROP S TO LAKE SUPERIOR LATE TONIGHT...DEEP LAYER QVECTOR PROGS SHOW LITTLE/NO FORCING FOR UPWARD MOTION. MEANWHILE... FCST SOUNDINGS (ESPECIALLY GFS) CONTINUE TO SHOW A WELL MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER (INVERTED-V LOOK). UPSTREAM SFC DWPT DEPRESSIONS IN ONTARIO TEND TO SUPPORT THE DRIER GFS LOOK. SO...AS WINDS BECOME NNE DURING THE NIGHT AS NRN MANITOBA HIGH PRES BUILDS TOWARD NRN ONTARIO...NOT EXPECTING LES TO AMOUNT TO MUCH DESPITE 850MB TEMPS FALLING TO AROUND -12C BY MORNING PER PREFERRED COOLER GFS WHICH ANALYZED 12Z RAOBS BETTER. MAY SEE A FEW FLURRIES DEVELOP E OF KMQT EARLY THIS EVENING...BUT MORE LIKELY MID TO LATE EVENING THERE AND ALSO OVER THE FAR W. DON`T REALLY EXPECT -SHSN TO DEVELOP NEAR THE LAKE UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT WHEN NNE LOW-LEVEL FLOW STRENGTHENS. GIVEN THE NEGATIVES DISCUSSED ABOVE...POPS WILL BE KEPT IN THE 30-40 RANGE (HIGHEST NCNTRL DUE TO MORE DIRECT UPSLOPE)...AND ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD BE LESS THAN 1 INCH. CORE OF THE COLDEST 850MB AIR PASSES OVER THE AREA SAT MORNING THRU EARLY AFTN. GIVEN THE WELL MIXED BOUNDARY LAYER APPEARANCE OF THE FCST SOUNDINGS AND LOW-LEVEL FLOW TRENDING MORE ANTICYCLONIC WITH HIGH PRES MOVING CLOSER...LES WILL CONTINUE TO BE KEPT IN CHECK. MAX ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE OVER THE NCNTRL WITH MORE FAVORABLE UPSLOPE...BUT EVEN THERE...ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD ONLY BE AROUND 1 INCH. COOLER ETA MOS TEMPS LOOK ACCEPTABLE FOR MAX TEMPS WITH CORE OF COLDEST AIR PASSING OVER THE AREA. .LONG TERM (SAT NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY)... SAT NIGHT THROUGH MON...SATURDAY NIGHT MAY BE THE COLDEST NIGHT OF THE SEASON SO FAR FOR MANY LOCATIONS. WITH HIGH PRESSURE MOVING THROUGH...WINDS SHOULD DROP AND SKIES SHOULD CLEAR. LOWS ACROSS THE WESTERN HALF OF THE AREA SHOULD DROP INTO THE TEENS...WITH SINGLE DIGITS POSSIBLE IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN. TEMPERATURES MAY REMAIN CLOSER TO 20 IN THE EAST AS IT WILL TAKE LONGER FOR CLOUDS TO MOVE OUT OF THE AREA. SUNDAY SHOULD BE QUIET WITH THE HIGH PUSHING THROUGH AND TEMPERATURES NEAR NORMAL FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR. LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPING OVER CENTRAL CANADA WILL MOVE INTO MANITOBA SUNDAY NIGHT DRAGGING A WEAK COLD FRONT THROUGH THE AREA ON MONDAY. STRONG SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL SWEEP WARM AIR IN AND RESULT IN A POSSIBLE MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW EARLY IN THE DAY BEFORE SWITCHING TO ALL RAIN BY AFTERNOON. TUE THROUGH FRI...LOW CONFIDENCE THROUGH THIS PORTION OF THE FORECAST PERIOD DUE TO LARGE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODELS. AS A RESULT...MADE LITTLE CHANGE TO THE GOING FORECAST UNTIL SOME MODEL CONSISTENCY BEGINS TO APPEAR. MOST MODELS DEVELOP A SECOND SURFACE LOW ACROSS THE COLD FRONT OF THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM AND BRING THE SURFACE LOW THROUGH UPPER MICHIGAN BY 12Z TUESDAY...WITH PRECIPITATION WIDESPREAD ACROSS THE AREA. MODELS DIFFER QUITE A BIT WITH LOW-LEVEL THICKNESSES DURING THIS TIME PERIOD. ECMWF HAS RAIN MONDAY NIGHT...WITH COLDER AIR ADVECTING IN ON TUESDAY TO CHANGE EVERYTHING OVER TO SNOW. GFS ALSO HAS RAIN MONDAY NIGHT...BUT IS A BIT MORE DELAYED IN BRINGING THE COLDER AIR INTO THE REGION. STUCK WITH GOING FORECAST OF RAIN MONDAY NIGHT...WITH A RAIN-SNOW MIX DURING THE DAY ON TUESDAY. ALSO BROUGHT POPS INTO THE SOUTH ON TUESDAY...AS PREVIOUS MODEL RUNS HAD INDICATED THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A LAKE EFFECT EVENT CONTAINED TO THE SUPERIOR LAKESHORE. WITH LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE SHOWING THE LOW BARRELING THROUGH THE AREA...EVERYONE SHOULD SEE SOME SORT OF PRECIPITATION. ONCE COLDER AIR PUSHES INTO THE AREA TUESDAY NIGHT...ONSHORE FLOW SHOULD PERSIST AND RESULT IN A CHANCE OF SNOW ALONG LAKE SUPERIOR THROUGH MUCH OF THE REST OF THE FORECAST PERIOD. MODELS HAVE SHOWN VARYING SOLUTIONS FOR A POTENTIAL STORM AFFECTING THE REGION ON THANKSGIVING. WHILE THE ECMWF HAS KEPT THIS STORM TO THE SOUTH OF THE AREA FOR SEVERAL MODEL RUNS...THE GFS HAS INSISTED ON A MORE NORTHERLY TRACK ACROSS MICHIGAN. THE 12Z GFS RUN HAS FINALLY GONE WITH A MORE SOUTHERLY ROUTE...MATCHING UP WITH OTHER MODELS. AT THIS TIME...IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE STORM WILL END UP AFFECTING TRAVEL PLANS ACROSS UPPER MICHIGAN. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 06Z TAF ISSUANCE)... HIGH PRESSURE OVER NRN MANITOBA WILL DRIFT TOWARD NRN ONTARIO LATE TONIGHT AND SAT. AS A RESULT LOW-LEVEL WIND FLOW WILL BECOMING NNE ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR LATE TONIGHT THRU SAT MORNING. WITH THE LOW-LEVEL AIRMASS COOLING UNDER THIS FLOW REGIME...LAKE EFFECT CLOUDINESS AND SOME -SHSN/FLURRIES WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT AND CONTINUE INTO SAT. DESPITE THE COOLER AIRMASS...FAIRLY DRY BOUNDARY LAYER CONDITIONS SHOULD KEEP -SHSN SCT. EXPECT VFR VIS TO PREVAIL FOR THE ENTIRE FCST PERIOD AT KCMX AND KSAW. WITH MORE FAVORABLE UPSLOPE WIND...-SHSN WILL BE A BIT MORE FREQUENT AT KSAW...AND CIGS WILL LIKELY DROP INTO THE HIGH MVFR RANGE ON SAT. EXPECT VFR CIGS AT KCMX. WEAKENING NRLY FLOW AS THE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE BUILDS OVER THE AREA COULD RESULT IN SOME PARTIAL CLEARING BY LATE EVENING AT BOTH TAF SITES. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 PM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... OUTSIDE OF A PERIOD OF 15 TO 25 KT WINDS LATE TONIGHT THRU SAT MORNING DUE TO HIGH PRES BUILDING SE TOWARD NORTHERN ONTARIO... EXPECT WINDS BELOW 20 KT ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR THROUGH SUN MORNING. ON SUN...WINDS WILL BEGIN INCREASING ACROSS ALL OF LAKE SUPERIOR AS AFOREMENTIONED BUILDING HIGH PRES AREA HEADS TOWARD NEW ENGLAND AND A SFC LOW TRACKS THRU SOUTH CENTRAL CANADA. WINDS SHOULD APPROACH 25 KT BY LATE SUN. WINDS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE SUN NIGHT AS THE SFC LOW MOVES TO NORTHERN ONTARIO. S GALES OF 35-40 KT WILL LIKELY DEVELOP LATE SUN NIGHT. THE HIGHEST WINDS SHOULD BE CONFINED TO CENTRAL AND EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR. AS THE LOW LIFTS TOWARD JAMES BAY MON...WINDS WILL GRADUALLY RELAX W TO E. IT IS POSSIBLE WIND GUSTS COULD APPROACH 45 KT FOR A BRIEF TIME MON MORNING ON EASTERN LAKE SUPERIOR. A COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW WILL CROSS LAKE SUPERIOR LATE MONDAY INTO MONDAY NIGHT...WITH WINDS SHIFTING NW AND DIMINISHING TO BELOW 20 KT. WINDS MAY AGAIN INCREASE TO 30 KT TUE/WED AS ANOTHER LOW PRES MOVES NE FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINS TO THE LWR GREAT LAKES. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE && $$ SHORT TERM...ROLFSON LONG TERM...TAG AVIATION...VOSS MARINE...ROLFSON

SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA
330 AM PST MON NOV 19 2007 .SHORT TERM... MARINE LAYER IS 1000 FEET DEEP CAPPED BY A 11 DEGREE IN 2000 FOOT STRONG INVERSION (THE FIRST 9 DEGREES OCCUR IN 600 FEET) NEAR NEUTRAL GRADIENTS HAVE ALLOWED FOR DENSE FOG TO FORM ALONG THE COAST AND THE 1000 FOOT DEPTH HAS ALLOWED A SHALLOW DENSE FOG BANK TO OVERSPREAD THE VALLEYS. A SURGE DOWN THE SALINAS VLY HAS BROUGHT LOW CLOUDS AND DENSE FOG TO PRB AS WELL. A DENSE FOG ADVISORY COVERS THE COASTS AND VLYS UNTIL 900 AM. WITH THE STRONG INVERSION THE LOW CLOUDS WILL ONLY CLEAR TO THE BEACHES TODAY. OFFSHORE FLOW FROM THE NORTH WILL KEEP THE CENTRAL COAST AND SOUTHERN SBA COUNTY CLEAR TONIGHT. A SLIGHT (15 TO 25 MPH) SUNDOWNER MAY OCCUR OVER SOUTHERN SBA COUNTY AS WELL. THE OFFSHORE FLOW WILL LIKELY RIDE OVER THE INVERSION AND THE L.A. AND VENTURA COASTS WILL LIKELY HAVE MORE CLOUDS TONIGHT. THE OFFSHORE FLOW WILL ALLOW TOTAL CLEARING TUESDAY. A LITTLE RIPPLE MOVES OVER AND BRINGS IN SOME COLD AIR WHICH WILL DROP TEMPS 2 OR THREE DEGREES EVERYWHERE EXCEPT THE BEACHES WHERE THE AFTERNOON SUN WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR A DEGREE OR TWO OF WARMING. A WEAK OFFSHORE EVENT SETS UP IN THE WAKE OF THE WEAK INSIDE TROF TUESDAY NIGHT. LOOK FOR SOME 15 TO 25 MPH WINDS TO SET UP IN THE USUAL NORTHEAST PLACES THE MOUNTAINS WILL SEE WINDS 5 MPH HIGHER THAN THAT. L.A. COUNTY COASTS ARE WELL SHIELDED FROM THIS KIND OF AN EVENT AND SOME PATCHY LOW CLOUDS WILL REMAIN. WEDNESDAY MORNING WILL CONTINUE THE OFFSHORE EVENT WITH THE SAME 15 TO 25 MPH WINDS THICKNESS FALL THROUGH THE DAY SO MOST TEMPS WILL BE COOLER EVEN WITH THE MARGINAL ADIABATIC WARMING. .LONG TERM... EC AND GFS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT FOR THURDAY AND FRIDAY. AN INSIDE SLIDER MOVES THROUGH THURSDAY. GRADIENTS RELAX IN FRONT OF THE TROF AND THERE SHOULD NOT BE MUCH OF ANY WINDS. STILL PRETTY DRY THOUGH AS THE MARINE LAYER SHOULD BE BLASTED AWAY. THE INSIDE SLIDER DOES SET UP A DECENT OFFSHORE EVENT FRIDAY WITH GOOD THERMAL AND UPPER SUPPORT INDICATED. THIS STILL MOST BE TEMPERED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE MDLS HAVE ALSO FORECAST THE BEST EVENT TO OCCUR TUE THEN WED AND THEN THU AND NOW FRI SO SOME SKEPTICISM IS WARRANTED WITH THE MDLS FORECAST...BUT FOR NOW THIS IS THE BEST DAY FOR WINDS. THE EC AND GFS GO THEIR SEPARATE WAYS FOR NEXT WEEKEND. THE GFS INDICATES GOOD OFFSHORE FLOW THE EC LESS SO. KEPT SOME BREEZY WORDING IN THE FORECAST AND PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR WINDS BUT CONFIDENCE IS RATHER LOW IN AN EXACT FORECAST. && .AVIATION... 19/1130Z 1000 FOOT MARINE LAYER CAPPED BY A STRONG INVERSION WILL PRODUCE LIFR CONDS AT MOST SITES THIS MORNING. THE STRONG INVERSION WILL ALSO HINDER CLEARING AT THE SITES NEAR THE COAST. LOCAL NORTHEAST WINDS WILL SET UP TONIGHT AND COULD PRODUCE SOME TURBULENCE NEAR THE HIER TRRN...ALSO OFFSHORE WINDS WILL RIDE OVER THE TOP OF THE INVERSION CREATING LOCAL TURBULENCE FOR AIRCRAFT CLIMBING OUT THE CLOUDS. .KLAX...GOOD CONFIDENCE IN OVERALL TAF ALTHOUGH NOT GREAT CONFIDENCE IN EXACT TIME OF CATEGORY CHANGES. DO NOT EXPECT ANY CLEARING TODAY WITH CIGS RISING ONLY TO IFR HGTS. .KBUR...GOOD CONFIDENCE IN TAF WITH ABOUT A PLUS/MINUS 1 HOUR VARIABILITY ON BURN OFF. LOCAL MVFR VIS IN HZ POSSIBLE THIS AFTERNOON. $$ .LOX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... DENSE FOG ADVISORY (SEE LAXNPWLOX). SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY (SEE LAXCWFLOX). && $$ PUBLIC...RORKE AVIATION...KAPLAN WWW.WEATHER.GOV/LOSANGELES
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
1034 AM EST MON NOV 19 2007 .SYNOPSIS... HIGH PRESSURE WILL SLIDE DOWN THE COAST AND RESULT IN A COOL MOIST NORTHEAST FLOW ACROSS THE REGION THROUGH EARLY TUESDAY. A WEAK COLD FRONT WILL TRACK INTO NORTHERN VIRGINIA LATE TUESDAY AND THEN STALL TUESDAY NIGHT BEFORE SLIDING BACK TO THE NORTH WEDNESDAY AS A WARM FRONT. A STRONGER COLD FRONT WILL RACE ACROSS THE REGION THANKSGIVING DAY. COOL HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD INTO THE MID ATLANTIC AREA FOR THE WEEKEND. && .NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 PM THIS EVENING/... WATER VAPOR LOOP SHOWS A SHORT WAVE MOVING INTO LOWER NEW ENGLAND...AS THE NEXT MORE VIGOROUS WAVE MOVES JUST NORTH OF THE GREAT LAKES ATOP THE DOMINATE WESTERN CONUS RIDGE. ACARS 400-250MB WIND OBSERVATIONS SHOW A 60-80KT WESTERLY JET ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE NEW ENGLAND SHORT WAVE. A 100-140KT ANTICYCLONIC JET STRETCHES FROM THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST INTO THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY. 12Z SURFACE ANALYSIS PLACED A 1039MB ANTICYCLONE OVER NEW ENGLAND RIDGING DOWN THE APPALACHIANS. A WARM FRONT EXTENDING SOUTHEAST FROM A 1008MB CYCLONE IN SOUTHEAST NORTH DAKOTA IS STATIONARY ACROSS THE CAROLINAS. COLD AIR DAMMING SIGNATURE TODAY ON THE SURFACE MAP. WHILE NORTHERN FORECAST AREA WILL REMAIN CLOUDY...SUN ANGLE SHOULD ALLOW BREAKS ESPECIALLY ACROSS CENTRAL VIRGINIA. WENT A FEW DEGREES COOLER THAN 00Z NGM MOS BASED ON PATTERN. && .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH 6 PM TUESDAY/... MODELS ALWAYS TOO QUICK TO CLEAR FORECAST OF LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE SO WILL HANG ON TO LOW CLOUDS/PATCHY FOG TONIGHT. SURGE OF WAA AHEAD OF NEXT WEAK COLD FRONT COULD SPREAD SHOWERS ACROSS NORTHERN/WESTERN ZONES TONIGHT. NAM THE WETTER MODEL WITH THIS SCENARIO. COLD FRONT FORECAST TO SLIDE INTO NORTHERN ZONES ON TUE BUT THEN STALL. FRONT SHOULD ALLOW ENOUGH MIXING TO SCOUR LOW- LEVEL MOISTURE OUT OF AREA BUT AT THE SAME TIME KEEP A THREAT OF SHOWERS ACROSS THE FAR NORTH. && .LONG TERM /TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY/... A LARGE AREA OF SFC HIGH PRESSURE WILL HOLD STEADY OFF THE CAROLINA COAST LATE TUES INTO WED EVENING. A DECENT SURGE OF RELATIVELY WARM SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL BRING TEMPS IN THE U60S TO NEAR 70 UP TO THE POTOMAC RIVER VALLEY WED AFTN. NOT A VERY MOIST FLOW EXPECTED AHEAD OF THE FRONT ON WED W/ MAINLY A WEAK CONTINENTAL DRY AIR PUSH COMBINED WITH A WEAK CONVEYOR BELT OF LL/BNDRY LAYER MOISTURE STREAMING NWINTHERD FROM THE GULF. A COUPLE OF STRONG AREAS OF MID LEVEL VORTS WILL SLIDE THRU THE UPPER TROF ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS...BUT A STRONG PHASING SIGNAL DOESN/T LIKE TO OCCUR...AND TROF ELONGATES INTO MORE OF A LONGWAVE AS IT PUSHES ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY. MUCH OF THE FORCING ALONG THE INITIAL COLD FRONT WILL BECOME DISORGANIZED AS IT NEAR THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS. LATEST RUN OF THE GFS HAS ACTUALLY SPED UP THE FRONTAL PASSAGE ACROSS THE MID ATLANTIC SLIGHTLY...WITH A SHIFT ACROSS THE REGION DURING LATE AFTN/EVNG HRS OF THURS. WITH THIS TIMING...THE FRONT WILL BE OFF THE ATLANTIC COAST BY MIDNIGHT THURS NIGHT. EXPECTING TO KEEP THE PASSAGE A BIT SLOWER...BY PRE-FRONTAL PRECIP BEGINNING ACROSS THE REGION BY MIDDAY WED AND CONTINUING THRU EARLY FRIDAY...WITH THE COLD FRONT SWEEPING ACROSS THE REGION OVERNIGHT THURS INTO FRI. BANDS OF RESIDUAL UPSLOPE PRECIP ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE UPPER LOW WILL CONTINUE THRU FRI AFTN FOR THE HIGHEST ELEVATIONS OF THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS. A STRONG PUSH OF NW FLOW WILL BE PRESENT ACROSS THE MID ATLANTIC FOR MUCH OF FRIDAY...WITH DECENT SCA CONDITIONS ACROSS THE BAY FROM THE PASSAGE OF THE UPPER TROF AXIS. AFTER THE TROF AXIS MOVES OFF THE ATLANTIC COAST LATE FRI...LITTLE ELSE IS CERTAIN. LR MODELS HAVE HINTED AT ANOTHER LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM MAKING A QUICK ENTRANCE INTO THE REGION AFTER THIS LATE WEEK SYSTEM EXITS THE REGION. THIS SYSTEM SEEMS TO HAVE SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS TO THE LATE WEEK SYSTEM...THOU TRENDS HAVE SHOWN A GREAT DIP IN THE JET STREAM ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS...EVEN AN UPPER LOW SPINNING DOWN OVER THE DESERT SW. THIS SOLUTION WOULD SLOW DOWN THE ARRIVAL BY COUPLE OF DAYS AT LEAST. GFS MAINTAINS A QUICK DEVELOPMENT AS A STRONG AND DEEP UPPER TROF EXTENDING FROM HUDSON BAY TO THE GULF COAST SLIDES A LARGE AREA OF MOISTURE ACROSS THE EASTERN SEABOARD ON SUNDAY. A CROSS BETWEEN THE TWO SEEMS MORE LIKELY...WITH DEEPENING TROF ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS LATE SAT AND SUNDAY...GRADUALLY SLIDING ACROSS THE EASTERN SEABOARD BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. && .AVIATION /15Z MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/... WITH DAMMING SIGNATURE...CEILINGS ONLY EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY RISE INTO MVFR CATEGORY THIS AFTERNOON...BEFORE FALLING INTO IFR THIS EVENING. THINGS GET MORE COMPLICATED OVERNIGHT AS A MID DECK ADVANCES INTO THE REGION FROM THE MIDWEST...WHICH COULD LEAD TO FLUCTUATING TRENDS WITH THE IFR CEILING. 03Z SREF PROBABILITIES INDICATE CHANCE-LIKELY SUB-VFR THROUGH TODAY...WITH A CHANCE OF IFR CEILINGS REDEVELOPING TONIGHT. LITTLE IMPROVEMENT ON TUESDAY UNTIL LATE IN THE DAY WHEN A COLD FRONT APPROACHES THE AREA. HIGH PRESSURE WILL KEEP WINDS LIGHT...CLOUDS TO A MINIMUM AND CONDITIONS VFR TUES AND MUCH OF WED. PRE-FRONTAL MOISTURE WILL QUICKLY SURGE INTO THE REGION LATE WED...WITH CONDITIONS MOST LIKELY DEGRADING OVERNIGHT AND INTO EARLY THURS. THANKSGIVING DAY WILL HAVE DECENT COVERAGE OF INTERMITTENT RAINFALL FOR MUCH OF THE DAY ACROSS THE ENTIRE MID ATLANTIC REGION...AND MUCH OF THE EASTERN SEABOARD. ANY FROZEN PRECIP WILL BE EXCLUSIVELY LIMITED TO HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF THE BLUE RIDGE OVERNIGHT THURS INTO EARLY FRI...AS THE COLD FRONT PULLS JUST ENOUGH COLD AIR TO TAKE A FEW PLACES BELOW FREEZING AT THE SFC. NO PROBLEMS EXPECTED ACROSS I-95 TAF SITES ON THURS WITH FROZEN PRECIP...JUST POSSIBLY LOW CIGS/VSBYS UNDER SHRA CONDITIONS. THE FRONT MOVES OFF THE COAST BY EARLY FRIDAY...WITH MAINLY WIND ISSUES UNDER A STRONG AND STEADY NW FLOW DURING THE DAY. THE WEEKEND SHOULD IMPROVE WITH HIGH PRESSURE INFLUENCE. && .MARINE... NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 10KTS BECOME SE-S TONIGHT AS THE HIGH BEGINS TO TO MOVE OFF THE COAST AND THE WARM FRONT PUSHES NORTH APPROACHING THE WATERS. WED WILL SEE WEAK SOUTHERLY CHANNELING INTO THE BAY AS A COLD FRONT APPROACHES. SCA CONDITIONS NOT EXPECTED WED. COLD FRONT PASSAGE LATE THURS W/ INTERMITTENT PRECIP DURING MUCH OF THE DAY...ENDING BY EARLY FRI. WINDS ACROSS THE BAY WILL THE MAIN ISSUE FRIDAY AS STRONG NW FLOW DEVELOPS UNDER THE UPPER TROF AXIS. IMPROVING CONDITIONS FOR THE WEEKEND. && .LWX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... DC...NONE. MD...NONE. VA...NONE. WV...NONE. MARINE...NONE. && $$ SYNOPSIS...WINTHER NEAR TERM...ROGOWSKI SHORT TERM...WINTHER LONG TERM...SCHOOR AVIATION...ROGOWSKI/SCHOOR MARINE...ROGOWSKI/SCHOOR

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS SAN DIEGO CA
230 PM PST MON NOV 19 2007 .SYNOPSIS...A SHALLOW MARINE LAYER WILL CONTINUE COASTAL LOW CLOUDS AND FOG...EXTENDING LOCALLY INLAND DURING THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS THROUGH MID WEEK. MODERATE OFFSHORE FLOW WILL CAUSE LOCAL GUSTY WINDS THROUGH AND BELOW MOUNTAIN CANYONS AND PASSES WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY...MAINLY NEAR THE CAJON PASS AND IN THE SANTA ANA MOUNTAINS. OFFSHORE FLOW MAY STRENGTHEN LATER IN THE WEEK. && .DISCUSSION...FOR EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ORANGE... SAN DIEGO...WESTERN RIVERSIDE AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTIES... .SHORT TERM (TODAY-THU)...THERE WERE LOW CLOUDS AND AREAS OF DENSE FOG IN THE COASTAL AREAS AND WRN INLAND VALLEYS THIS MORNING. OTHERWISE...CLEAR. EARLY AFTERNOON ACARS SOUNDINGS INDICATE A STRONG INVERSION BASED BELOW 1000 FT WITH SW WINDS ALOFT. ONSHORE GRADIENTS WITH ABOUT 3 MB SAN-IPL. AN INTERMITTENT EDDY AND STRONG INVERSION WILL CONTINUE COASTAL LOW CLOUDS AND FOG DURING THE NIGHTS AND MORNINGS. STRATUS SHOULD EXTEND INTO THE WRN VALLEYS AGAIN TONIGHT AND TUE MORNING. FOG WILL BE LOCALLY DENSE. MODERATE OFFSHORE FLOW WILL DEVELOP WED AND WEAKEN THU IN THE WAKE OF A TROUGH MOVING PAST TO THE N. THIS SHOULD KEEP THE LOW CLOUDS OUT OF THE INLAND EMPIRE BUT WILL PROBABLY NOT BE STRONG ENOUGH TO COMPLETELY CLEAR OUT THE COASTAL AREAS. THERE WILL BE SLOW AND PARTIAL CLEARING OF THE LOW CLOUDS FROM THE COASTAL AREAS UNDER THE STRONG INVERSION WITH BETTER CLEARING IN ORANGE COUNTY AS THE OFFSHORE FLOW DEVELOPS. THE MODERATE OFFSHORE WINDS WILL MAINLY BE GRADIENT DRIVEN WITH THE STRONGEST WINDS THROUGH AND BELOW MOUNTAIN CANYONS AND PASSES IN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY AND IN THE SANTA ANA MOUNTAINS. WINDS IN THESE AREAS COULD GET NEAR ADVISORY STRENGTH WED MORNING. TEMPS WILL GENERALLY REMAIN BELOW SEASONAL. THERE WILL ALSO BE MORE HIGH CLOUDINESS TUE INTO WED IN WLY WINDS ALOFT. && .LONG TERM (FRI-MON)...BIG DIFFERENCES IN THE MODELS BY FRI. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR GOOD UPPER...THERMAL AND GRADIENT SUPPORT FOR COLD AND LOCALLY STRONG N TO NE OFFSHORE WINDS FRI AND SAT. THE STRONGEST WINDS SHOULD BE IN THE NRN AREAS AGAIN BUT COULD EVENTUALLY SPREAD INTO SAN DIEGO COUNTY. ONSHORE FLOW AND COASTAL STRATUS SHOULD RETURN EARLY NEXT WEEK ALONG WITH HIGH CLOUDINESS. && .AVIATION... 192000Z...MARINE LAYER DEPTH THIS AFTERNOON REMAINS AROUND 1000 FEET. SOME DEEPENING IS EXPECTED TONIGHT TO BETWEEN 1200 AND 1500 FEET. STRATUS WITH BASES AROUND 700 FEET SHOULD PUSH BACK ONTO THE COAST BY SUNSET AND INLAND DURING THE EVENING. THIS SHOULD BRING IFR CEILINGS TO COASTAL AIRPORTS BETWEEN 03Z AND 06Z AND LIFR CONDITIONS TO INLAND AND MESA AIRPORTS BY MIDNIGHT. STRATUS/FOG SHOULD BRING LIFR CONDITIONS TO KCNO AFTER MIDNIGHT AND COULD REACH KONT BY SUNRISE ON TUESDAY. STRATUS/FOG SHOULD BREAK UP BETWEEN 17Z AND 19Z ON TUESDAY. ABOVE THE MARINE LAYER...VFR CONDITIONS THROUGH TUESDAY WITH A MOSTLY CLEAR SKY AND UNRESTRICTED VISIBILITIES. HORTON && .SGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ PUBLIC...DA AVIATION...HORTON
SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA
1052 AM PST MON NOV 19 2007 .UPDATE...DENSE FOG ADVISORY HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO EXPIRE THIS MORNING. LOCAL DENSE FOG MAY STILL OCCUR THIS MORNING WITH MARINE LAYER BEING SO THIN...AROUND 1000 FT AT KLAX FROM THE LATEST ACARS SOUNDINGS. WEAK FRONTAL BOUNDARY PUSHING SOUTH DOWN THE COAST CURRENTLY WILL BEGIN ARRIVING OVER THE AREA LATE THIS AFTERNOON. FRONTAL BOUNDARY SHOULD BE DRY FOR MOST PART WITH ONLY CLOUDINESS PUSHING OVER THE AREA NORTH OF POINT CONCEPTION. WITH FRONTAL BOUNDARY PUSHING SOUTH OVER THE STATE...MARINE LAYER SHOULD THIN ADDITIONALLY TONIGHT WITH LESS COVERAGE. BEST IDEA FOR MARINE LAYER COVERAGE SHOULD BE CONFINED TO AREAS SOUTH OF POINT MUGU. LARGER STORY SEEMS TO BETTER AGREEMENT IN THE DEVELOPING UPPER- LEVEL PATTERN FOR THE LATTER PART OF THE WEEK...WHICH INDICATE A BETTER CHANCE FOR SANTA ANA CONDITIONS DEVELOPING OVER THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND. NAM-WRF...UKMET...GFS...ECMWF ALL INDICATE AN INSIDE- SLIDER TROUGH DROPPING SOUTH THROUGH THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE GREAT BASIN EARLY THURSDAY. STRENGTHS OF THE TROUGH STILL VARY GREATLY WITH THE UKMET BEING THE WEAKEST OF THE SOLUTIONS...AND THE NAM-WRF...ECMWF...AND GFS SOLUTIONS BEING THE MOST AGGRESSIVE. WITH GOOD AGREEMENT DEVELOPING BETWEEN THE MODEL SOLUTIONS FOR THURSDAY MORNINGS FORECAST...CONFIDENCE IS GROWING FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A SANTA EVENT FOR FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON. TIMING OF THE LOW LEVEL FEATURES AND STRENGTH SEEM DEBATABLE AT THIS TIME...BUT WITH THE ECMWF SOLUTIONS BEING CONSISTENT AND AGGRESSIVE ADDS SOME CLARITY. && .PREV DISCUSSION... /ISSUED 330 AM PST MON NOV 19 2007/ SHORT TERM... MARINE LAYER IS 1000 FEET DEEP CAPPED BY A 11 DEGREE IN 2000 FOOT STRONG INVERSION (THE FIRST 9 DEGREES OCCUR IN 600 FEET) NEAR NEUTRAL GRADIENTS HAVE ALLOWED FOR DENSE FOG TO FORM ALONG THE COAST AND THE 1000 FOOT DEPTH HAS ALLOWED A SHALLOW DENSE FOG BANK TO OVERSPREAD THE VALLEYS. A SURGE DOWN THE SALINAS VLY HAS BROUGHT LOW CLOUDS AND DENSE FOG TO PRB AS WELL. A DENSE FOG ADVISORY COVERS THE COASTS AND VLYS UNTIL 900 AM. WITH THE STRONG INVERSION THE LOW CLOUDS WILL ONLY CLEAR TO THE BEACHES TODAY. OFFSHORE FLOW FROM THE NORTH WILL KEEP THE CENTRAL COAST AND SOUTHERN SBA COUNTY CLEAR TONIGHT. A SLIGHT (15 TO 25 MPH) SUNDOWNER MAY OCCUR OVER SOUTHERN SBA COUNTY AS WELL. THE OFFSHORE FLOW WILL LIKELY RIDE OVER THE INVERSION AND THE L.A. AND VENTURA COASTS WILL LIKELY HAVE MORE CLOUDS TONIGHT. THE OFFSHORE FLOW WILL ALLOW TOTAL CLEARING TUESDAY. A LITTLE RIPPLE MOVES OVER AND BRINGS IN SOME COLD AIR WHICH WILL DROP TEMPS 2 OR THREE DEGREES EVERYWHERE EXCEPT THE BEACHES WHERE THE AFTERNOON SUN WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR A DEGREE OR TWO OF WARMING. A WEAK OFFSHORE EVENT SETS UP IN THE WAKE OF THE WEAK INSIDE TROF TUESDAY NIGHT. LOOK FOR SOME 15 TO 25 MPH WINDS TO SET UP IN THE USUAL NORTHEAST PLACES THE MOUNTAINS WILL SEE WINDS 5 MPH HIGHER THAN THAT. L.A. COUNTY COASTS ARE WELL SHIELDED FROM THIS KIND OF AN EVENT AND SOME PATCHY LOW CLOUDS WILL REMAIN. WEDNESDAY MORNING WILL CONTINUE THE OFFSHORE EVENT WITH THE SAME 15 TO 25 MPH WINDS THICKNESS FALL THROUGH THE DAY SO MOST TEMPS WILL BE COOLER EVEN WITH THE MARGINAL ADIABATIC WARMING. LONG TERM... EC AND GFS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT FOR THURDAY AND FRIDAY. AN INSIDE SLIDER MOVES THROUGH THURSDAY. GRADIENTS RELAX IN FRONT OF THE TROF AND THERE SHOULD NOT BE MUCH OF ANY WINDS. STILL PRETTY DRY THOUGH AS THE MARINE LAYER SHOULD BE BLASTED AWAY. THE INSIDE SLIDER DOES SET UP A DECENT OFFSHORE EVENT FRIDAY WITH GOOD THERMAL AND UPPER SUPPORT INDICATED. THIS STILL MOST BE TEMPERED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE MDLS HAVE ALSO FORECAST THE BEST EVENT TO OCCUR TUE THEN WED AND THEN THU AND NOW FRI SO SOME SKEPTICISM IS WARRANTED WITH THE MDLS FORECAST...BUT FOR NOW THIS IS THE BEST DAY FOR WINDS. THE EC AND GFS GO THEIR SEPARATE WAYS FOR NEXT WEEKEND. THE GFS INDICATES GOOD OFFSHORE FLOW THE EC LESS SO. KEPT SOME BREEZY WORDING IN THE FORECAST AND PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR WINDS BUT CONFIDENCE IS RATHER LOW IN AN EXACT FORECAST. && AVIATION...19/1130Z...1000 FOOT MARINE LAYER CAPPED BY A STRONG INVERSION WILL PRODUCE LIFR CONDS AT MOST SITES THIS MORNING. THE STRONG INVERSION WILL ALSO HINDER CLEARING AT THE SITES NEAR THE COAST. LOCAL NORTHEAST WINDS WILL SET UP TONIGHT AND COULD PRODUCE SOME TURBULENCE NEAR THE HIER TRRN...ALSO OFFSHORE WINDS WILL RIDE OVER THE TOP OF THE INVERSION CREATING LOCAL TURBULENCE FOR AIRCRAFT CLIMBING OUT THE CLOUDS. KLAX...GOOD CONFIDENCE IN OVERALL TAF ALTHOUGH NOT GREAT CONFIDENCE IN EXACT TIME OF CATEGORY CHANGES. DO NOT EXPECT ANY CLEARING TODAY WITH CIGS RISING ONLY TO IFR HGTS. KBUR...GOOD CONFIDENCE IN TAF WITH ABOUT A PLUS/MINUS 1 HOUR VARIABILITY ON BURN OFF. LOCAL MVFR VIS IN HZ POSSIBLE THIS AFTERNOON. $$ .LOX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY (SEE LAXCWFLOX). && $$ PUBLIC...HALL AVIATION...KAPLAN/SWEET WWW.WEATHER.GOV/LOSANGELES
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS MARQUETTE MI
429 PM EST MON NOV 19 2007 .SHORT TERM (TONIGHT AND TUESDAY)... MAIN FCST CONCERNS ARE FOG/CLOUD TRENDS TONIGHT AND PCPN CHANCES BY TUE AFTERNOON. WV IMAGERY AND RUC ANALYSIS INDICATED MAINLY ZONAL FLOW ACROSS THE NRN CONUS WITH A VIGOROUS SHORTWAVE MOVING THROUGH NRN ONTARIO. AT THE SFC...LOW 1001 MB LOW PRES WAS LOCATED JUST E OF CYPL WITH A TROUGH EXTENDING TO THE SOUTH INTO NE MN. PCPN OVER THE E HLF OF UPPER MI SUPPORTED BY UPPER LEVEL DIV WITH THE LEFT EXIT OF A 250-300 MB JET AND 700-600 FGEN WAS MOVING STEADILY EASTWARD AND SHOULD MOVE OUT OF THE CWA EARLY THIS EVENING. OTHERWISE...LOW CLOUDS AND AREAS OF FOG LINGERED ACROSS MOST OF THE NRN WI AND UPPER MI WITH TEMPS/DEWPOINTS IN THE UPPER 30S. AS WEAK MOIST SRLY FLOW CONTINUED. CLEARING WAS NOTED OVER NE MN BEHIND THE TROUGH. EXPECT AREAS OF FOG AND LOW CLOUDS TO CONTINUE THIS EVENING TIL THE TROUGH MOVES THROUGH AND DRIER AIR...AS NOTED IN UPSTREAM SFC OB AND AIRCRAFT SOUNDINGS OVER NE MN...FILTERS IN. MODELS HAVE CONTINUED TO TRENDED TOWARD WEAKER MID LEVEL FGEN AND UPPER LEVEL DIV WITH THE RIGHT ENTRANCE OF THE JET MOVING OUT OF THE PLAINS IN DEVELOPING WSW FLOW AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPING WRN CONUS TROUGH. SO...POPS WERE REDUCED TO THE LOWER END CHANCE RANGE. NAM/GFS 1000-850 THICKNESS AND WET-BULB ZERO HEIGHTS SUGGEST RAIN COULD MIX IN WITH SNOW OVER THE SOUTH AND EAST PORTIONS OF THE CWA. .LONG TERM (WED THRU MON)... WED THRU THANKSGIVING DAY...SHORTWAVE TROF OVER COLORADO WED WILL MOVE ACROSS THE PLAINS AND THEN NE TO THE OHIO VALLEY/LWR GREAT LAKES REGION THU. MODEL AGREEMENT HAS IMPROVED SUBSTANTIALLY WITH THE EVOLUTION OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE LAST 24HRS. THEY HAVE TRENDED TOWARD THE ECMWF WHICH...WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A RUN OR TWO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS...HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN THE FARTHEST E WITH THE SFC WAVE. OF THE 12Z RUNS...THE UKMET IS THE FARTHEST W AND DEEPEST WITH THE SFC LOW AS IT TAKES IT NE TO NEAR DETROIT. WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE ECMWF WHICH HAS BEEN JOINED BY THE GFS/CANADIAN. EXPECT SFC WAVE TO TRACK NE FAR ENOUGH TO THE E OF THE UPPER LAKES TO KEEP SYNOPTIC PCPN FIELD E OF HERE. THIS PROVIDES A FCST CONSISTENT WITH THE FCSTS ISSUED BY PREVIOUS SHIFTS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS...AND IS A FCST IN WHICH LES OFF LAKE SUPERIOR IS THE MAIN PCPN CONCERN. FOLLOWING THE GFS/ECWMF...850MB TEMPS AROUND -8C WED MORNING WILL TUMBLE TO -14C BY THU AFTN. THE GFS HAS A NW-SE ORIENTED SFC TROF/CONVERGENCE ZONE ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR WED THAT DRIFTS S IN THE AFTN/EVENING. THIS IS THE SFC REFLECTION OF A SHORTWAVE DROPPING THRU ONTARIO TO LAKE SUPERIOR. SHOULD THIS MATERIALIZE...THERE WOULD BE A BURST OF HEAVIER LAKE ENHANCED SNOW AS THE TROF SLIPS S WED AFTN/EVENING. OTHERWISE...IT LOOKS LIKE A PERSISTENT NRLY FLOW LES REGIME DEVELOPING WED AND CONTINUING INTO THU. WITH INVERSION SETTLING DOWN TO AROUND 5KFT BY THU MORNING...LES IS NOT EXPECTED TO GET OUT OF HAND...AND ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD STAY BELOW 12HR ADVY AMOUNTS. IF ANY 12HR TIME PERIOD DOES GET CLOSE TO ADVY AMOUNTS...IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WED OR WED NIGHT WITH THE NCNTRL AND FAR W FAVORED FOR THE GREATER ACCUMULATIONS UNDER THE NRLY WIND DIRECTION. AWAY FROM THE LES AREAS...SOME -SHSN/FLURRIES ARE EXPECTED. FRI THRU MON...A FAIRLY QUIET PERIOD OF WEATHER IS EXPECTED FOR THE MOST PART. OTHER THAN LES...THERE WON`T BE MUCH IN THE WAY OF PCPN. IN THE BIG PICTURE...ECMWF/CANADIAN/UKMET/GFS ARE IN OVERALL AGREEMENT THAT AN AMPLIFIED RIDGE ALONG THE W COAST OF NAMERICA LATE IN THE WEEK WILL TEMPORARILY WEAKEN SOME OVER THE WEEKEND BEFORE REAMPLIFYING AGAIN EARLY NEXT WEEK. OF COURSE...THIS RESULTS IN TROFFING DOWNSTREAM OVER CNTRL/ERN NAMERICA. LIGHT LES SHOULD BE ONGOING EARLY FRI FOR NW WIND FAVORED LOCATIONS AS 850MB TEMPS WILL BE AROUND -14C. BACKING WINDS TO A WRLY DIRECTION WILL SHIFT LES TO ONLY THE KEWEENAW BY SAT MORNING BEFORE ENDING AS AIRMASS STEADILY WARMS UNDER WAA REGIME. THE BACKING WINDS ARE IN RESPONSE TO SHORTWAVE AND ARCTIC COLD FRONT WHICH WILL BE DIVING S THRU CNTRL CANADA OVER THE WEEKEND. POTENTIAL OF PCPN IN THE WAA REGIME LOOKS MINIMAL SUN AS BEST FOCUS OF WAA PASSES N OF THE AREA. ARCTIC FRONT SHOULD CROSS UPPER MI SUN NIGHT OR MON MORNING PER 06Z GFS/00Z ECMWF/CANADIAN. AIRMASS BEHIND FRONT WILL HAVE ORIGINATED HIGH IN THE ARCTIC...SO THIS WILL BE A TRUE TASTE OF WINTER IF THE SHORTWAVE IN FACT DIVES AS FAR S AS THE 00Z GFS/ECMWF INDICATE. WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW RECENT ECWMF/GFS RUNS THAT HAVE INDICATED 850MB TEMPS OVER UPPER MI DROPPING TO -25C OR SO...THAT WOULD BE VERY UNUSUAL FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR...THOUGH NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IN ANYCASE...EVEN WITH 850MB TEMPS DROPPING TOWARD A MORE REASONABLE -20C...THIS WILL BE THE COLDEST AIRMASS OF THE SEASON EARLY NEXT WEEK...AND IT WILL GET LES GOING AGAIN MON. WHETHER OR NOT THE LES IS SIGNIFICANT WILL DEPEND ON INVERSION HEIGHTS BEHIND THE COLD FRONT AND HOW DRY THE AIRMASS IS. && .AVIATION (FOR THE 18Z TAF ISSUANCE)... SINCE SSW FLOW IS ALSO A MORE FAVORABLE UPSLOPE FLOW FOR SAW VS CMX WITH BETTER CHANCE OF ADVECTING HIGHER DEWPOINTS TO THE S INTO THAT LOCATION...EXPECT SOMEWHAT LOWER IFR CONDITIONS TO PERSIST LONGER THERE...WITH THESE LOWER CONDITIONS AT CMX LESS LIKELY. PASSAGE OF COLD FRONT THIS EVENING AND ADVECTION OF DRIER AIR FROM THE NRN PLAINS SHOULD RESULT IN IMPROVING CONDITIONS AT BOTH SITES. BUT UPSLOPE WNW FLOW AT CMX WL TEND TO MAINTAIN A SC DECK/MVFR CIG WITH CAA OVER THE RELATIVELY WARM LAKE WATERS MAINTAINING ADEQUATE INSTABILITY. && .MARINE (FOR THE 4 PM LAKE SUPERIOR FORECAST ISSUANCE)... EXPECT LOW PRES OVER NRN ONTARIO TO MOVE NEAR JAMES BAY BY TUE MORNING WHILE HIGH PRES BUILDS INTO CENTRAL CANADA. SO WEST TO SOUTHWEST WINDS WILL DIMINISH THIS EVENING AND VEER OVERNIGHT AS A WEAK COLD FRONT MOVES THROUGH. AS ANOTHER LOW PRES TAKES SHAPE IN THE CENTRAL PLAINS ON TUE AND MOVES INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES ON WED...THE CANADIAN HIGH WILL SINK INTO THE NORTHERN PLAINS ON WED AND INTO THE SCENTRAL PLAINS ON THU AND FRI. MODEL TRENDS HAVE BEEN FOR THIS LOW TO BE WEAKER AND FARTHER SE THAN EARLIER FCST...SO EXPECT WINDS TO REMAIN LESS THAN 30 KT. A LO PRES TROF WILL APPROACH LAKE SUPERIOR FROM CANADA LATE FRI AND MOVE THROUGH NRN ONTARIO SAT. && .MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...NONE. && $$ SHORT TERM...JLB LONG TERM...ROLFSON AVIATION...JLB MARINE...JLB