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MOST OF THIS IS CONTRACT LAW. AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE
COMPANIE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE AN INTEREST CONCEIVABLY IN
SUING ANOTHER COMPANY. BECAUSE THE PRODUCT THEY BOUGHT FROM
THAT COMPANY DOESN'T DO WHAT THE COMPANY THAT SOLD IT TO THEM
SAID IT WOULD DO. NOW, MAYBE UNDER THEIR WARRANTIES AND JUST
UNDER THE CONTRACT, IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. BUT WHAT THE
MCCAIN BILL WANTS TO DO IS SAY TO EVERY AMERICAN CONSUMER,
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT THREMONTHS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
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TO WAIT THE 30 DAYS FOR THE FILING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
REFILE IF YOU WEREN'T FILING WITH PLEADINGS THAT WERE SPECIFIC
ENOUGH ACCORDING TO THE -- TO WHAT THE CORPORATION HAD TO GO
THROUGH. AND IT IS A REMARKABLE THING IN MY JUDGMENT TO THRUST
THAT KIND OF BURDEN ON A LOT OF SITUATIONS THAT WOULD BE VERY
DIFFICULT. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC,
AND I APOLOGIZE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE BUT I WANT TO GO
THROUGH IT. LET'S TAKE A MRS. BARNES, WHO OWNS A HOME SEVERAL
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STREETS AWAY FROM THE ACME CHEMICAL COMPANY. NOW, THERE ARE 85
MILLION AMERICANS WHO LIVE OR WORK WITHIN A FIVE-MILE RADIUS OF
ONE OR MORE OF THE 66,000 FACILITIES THAT HANDLE OR STORE
HIGH-HAZARD CHEMICALS. LET ME REPEAT THAT. 85 MILLION OF OUR
FELLOW CITIZENS LIVE IN HOMES NEAR A CHEMICAL COMPANY. AND ON
JANUARY 1, 1999, LET'S -- EXCUSE ME, JANUARY 1, 2000, LET'S
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ASSUME ACME'S SAFETY SYSTEM FAILS AND HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS ARE
RELEASED INTO THE AIR AND ONTO THE LAND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT
FORCES MRS. BARNES AND OTHERS TO EVACUATE THEIR HOME. PEOPLE
ARE ALLOWED BACK INTO THEIR HOMES AFTER TWO DAYS, BUT HER
PROPERTY IS CONTAMINATED, INCLUDING HER WELL. SO SHE RETAINS AN
ATTORNEY AND SHE FILES A TORT CLAIM FOR RECOVERY. ACME CHEMICAL
CLAIMS THAT A Y2K COMPUTER FAILURE WAS PARTIALLY AT FAULT FOR
THE SAFETY SYSTEM MALFUNCTION. MRS. BARNES DIDN'T KNOW THAT Y2K
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WAS A DEFENSE, OF COURSE, BECAUSE MOST AVERAGE CITIZENS WILL
NOT KNOW THIS. AND UNDER THE NEW LAW, THE ACME COMPANY WILL
TREAT THE COMPLAINT AS THE NOTICE. SO SHE HAS TO WAIT 30 DAYS
FOR ACME TO RESPOND. IN 30 DAYS, THEY RESPOND BY SAYING, "WE
CAN'T PAY FOR THE CLEANUP AND LOST VALUE," BUT SHE HAS TO WAIT
MOTHER 60 DAYS TO REFILE HER LAWSUIT NOTWITHSTANDING THAT THEY
TELL HER THAT. SO NOW, AVERAGE CONSUMER, AMERICAN CITIZEN IS
OUT 90 DAYS DAYS, DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING BECAUSE WE'VE
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PROTECTED THE ENTITY. ALL DISCOVERY IS STAYED DURING THIS
PERIOD. AND THERE ISN'T ANYBODY IN OUR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE WHO
DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STAY DISCOVERY FOR 90 DAYS.
IN TWO MONTHS, MRS. BARNES REFILES HER SUIT AND SHE RESTORES --
SHE REFILES IT AGAINST THE COMPANY THAT INSTALLED THE SAFETY
SYSTEM. UNDER THE MCCAIN BILL, SHE HAS TO PLEAD HER CASE WITH
THE PARTICULARITY IN THE COMPLAINT. SHE CAN STATE HER DAMAGES
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AS REQUIRED BUT SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE SPECIFYING
THE MATERIALITY DEFECT BECAUSE SHE WON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS
BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN NO DISCOVERY. SO THE CASE IS DISMISSED
BECAUSE THE COMPLAINT FAILED TO MEET THE PLEADING REQUIREMENTS.
ASSUME THAT SOMEHOW LATER SHE CAN MEET THE PLEADING
REQUIREMENT, SO SHE COMES BACK. SHE FINDS ENOUGH INFORMATION TO
SURVIVE ANOTHER MOTION TO DISMISS AND SHE FINALLY GETS A DAY OF
-- A DAY IN COURT. AFTER HEARING THE CASE, THE JURY FINDS THAT
BOTH DEFENDANTS ACTED RECKLESSLY AND OUTRAGEOUSLY FOR NOT
IDENTIFYING AND FIXING THE PROBLEM AND IT AWARDS HER $300,000
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COMPENSATION FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE NEED TO REPLACE HER WATER
SUPPLY. THEY MAY FIND THAT ACME IS 70% RESPONSIBLE AND SAFETY
SYSTEMS 30% LIABILITY UNDER THE PROPORTIONALITY. SO THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF HER AWARD MIGHT BE $1.3 MILLION WITH THE COMPENSATORY
AND PUNITIVE. AND ADJUSTED AND REDUCED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE,
ACCORDING TO THE CAP, BECAUSE SHE ONLY HAS 40 PEOPLE WHO WORK
FOR HER. SO UNDER THE CAP IN THE SENATE 96, THAT WOULD BE AN
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ADJUST ADD WARD OF $550,000. -- AN JUSTED AWARD OF $ $550,000.
WELL, WE FIND THAT ACME CAN'T PAY FOR ALL THE DAMAGE AND FILES
FOR BANKRUPTCY. SAFETY SYSTEMS PAYS MRS. BARN BARNES $90,000
UNDER THEIR PERCENTAGE BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO CLEAN UP HER
PROPERTY, CAN'T GET A NEW WATER SUPPLY, ESPECIALLY AFTER SHE
PAYS THE LEGAL BILLS. SHE TRIES TO COLLECT FROM ACME BUT
WITHOUT SUCCESSES. IN THE END UNDER THE STATE LAW, SHE WOULD
HAVE RECEIVED HER $1.3 MILLION, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
THAT AWAY, AT THE END, BECAUSE OF THE SENATE BILL THAT IS
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CONTEMPLATED BEING PASSED HERE, THAT DOESN'T PROTECT THIS
INDIVIDUAL CONSUMER, SHE WILL BE LEFT WITH ONLY $135,000
$135,000, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO COMPENSATE FOR HER LOSS, PAY HER
LEGAL FEES, REPLENISH HER WELL AND MAKE HER WHOLE. SO WHAT'S
THE PUBLIC POLICY HERE?
THAT'S -- THAT'S LITERALLY HOW THIS BILL WOULD WORK. THAT IS
TAKING US STEP BY STEP THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BEING
PUT ON THE AVERAGE AMERICAN HERE. EVEN THOUGH WHAT WE'RE REALLY
TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE IS PROTECTING COMPANIES FROM LAWSUITS
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BY COMPANIES. NOW, TO THE DEGREE THAT MY COLLEAGUES SAY, WAIT A
MINUTE, SENATOR. WE KNOW ABOUT THOSE NAUGHTY THINGS CALLED
CLASS ACTIONS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CLASS ACTION BROUGHT
AGAINST US US. I SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, I AGREE. WE WANT TO HAVE
A TOUGH STANDARD FOR THE POTENTIAL OF ANY CLASS ACTION. SO WE
HAVE PUT IN OUR BILL SOMETHING LAWYERS DON'T LIKE. WE'VE PUT IN
OUR BILL A MATERIALITY REQUIREMENT THAT MEANS THEY'VE GOT TO
SHOW THE VERY SPECIFICITY OF THE DEFECT AND IT HAS TO BE
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SPECIFICALLY MATERIAL TO THE IMPACT ON THAT PARTICULAR DAMAGE
THAT TOOK PLACE FOR THAT PERSON. AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE
WHO MAKE UP THE CLASS HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME LINKAGE TO THE
MATERIALITY. THAT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO GO OUT AND JUST
CONSTRUCT A CLASS. SO CLASS ACTIONS WOULD, IN FACT, BE
SERIOUSLY REDUCED AND I THINK IMPACTED IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY, I
MIGHT ADD. SO WE'RE RAISING THE BAR, WE'RE RAISING THE
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STANDARD. NOW, MR. PRESIDENT, OUR BILL, THEREFORE, IN MY
JUDGMENT PROTECTS CONSUMERS. THE MCCAIN BILL WOULD APPLY ALL OF
ITS PROCEDURAL BURDENS AND DAMAGE LIMITATIONS TO INDIVIDUAL
CONSUMERS. I KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE WHITE
HOUSE, THE PRESIDENT IS PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT. WE NEED
TO TRY TO FIND SOME KIND OF REASONABLE COMPROMISE. WE HAVEN'T.
AND THAT BEGS A VETO. IN ADDITION, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE
PROPORTIONALITY ISSUE. IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT COLLEAGUES
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WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO VOTE THAT A COMPANY OUGHT TO ENGAGE IN
GOOD CITIZEN BEHAVIOR OF A TWO-STEP EFFORT TO IDENTIFY MERE
POTENTIAL -- I UNDERSCORE THAT, "NEAR POTENTIAL." THE COMPANY
DOESN'T HAVE TO FIND THE PROBLEM. THE COMPANY DOESN'T HAVE TO
CURE THE PROBLEM. THEY HAVE TO FIND THE MERE POTENTIAL THAT
SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE CREATED MAY HAVE DONE IT. AND TO LET
PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT
WE WOULDN'T VOTE TO DO THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE IMPOSE AN
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ADDITIONAL DUTY ON THE PLAINTIFF. MY COLLEAGUE FROM AIR -- MY
COLLEAGUE FROM ARIZONA SAID THIS IS TO KEEP THE REVENUE STREAM
GOING. WELL, WE IMPOSE AN ADDITIONAL DUTY ON THE PLAINTIFF,
BECAUSE WE -- EXISTING STATE LAW GENERALLY REQUIREMENTS
PLAINTIFFS TO MITIGATE THEIR LOSSES IN THE CASE OF A BREACH OF
CONTRACT. AND SENATE 96 PUTS ON THE PLAINTIFF AN ADDITIONAL
BURDEN TO MITIGATE THAT ISN'T PART OF ADDITIONAL CONTRACT LAW,
WHICH ALLOWS A DEFENDANT TO ARGUE THAT THE PLAINTIFF SHOULD
HAVE AVOIDED THE DAMAGES BASED ON INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE
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PUBLIC DOMAIN. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TO ENCOURAGE
INFORMATION SHARING. AND IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THE REMEDIATION
THAT WE WANT, WE LEAVE THE EXISTING STATE LAW DUTIES IN PLACE,
SUPPLEMENTING THEM WITH AN ADDITIONAL MITIGATION REQUIREMENT IF
THE DEFENDANT ITSELF MADE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. NOW, WHY
IS THAT GOOD POLICY?
BECAUSE AGAIN, IT ENCOURAGES THE GOOD BEHAVIOR THAT OUR
COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING EVERYBODY'S GOING TO ENGAGE IN BUT FOR
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WHICH THERE'S NO CERTAINTY AND THERE'S NO LEVERAGE. HERE YOU
HAVE AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE PLAINTIFF IF THE DEPARTMENT
UNDERTOOK TO SHARE THE INFORMATION. WHAT DOES THAT DO?
THAT HE MEANS THAT THE COMPANY IS GOING TO SAY, OH, BOY. IF WE
GO OUT AND GET THE INFORMATION AND WE TUT IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE
WE'VE SOLD IT TO, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BURDEN OF SHOWING
THAT WE SOMEHOW DIDN'T DO WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO. WE'VE
SHIFTED THE BURDEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO THEN WOULD BE THE
PLAINTIFFS. MAKES IT HARDER TO BRING A CASE CASE. IT ALSO DOES
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MORE TO ENCOURAGE THE MITIGATION THAT WE WANT TO GET IN THIS
PARTICULAR EFFORT. MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.
I THINK IT WAS BACK IN APRIL, THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA, THE
CHAIRMAN, PUT A LETTER IN THE RECORD FROM ANDY GROVE OF INTEL
INTEL. AND IN THE LETTER THAT WAS PART OF MR. GROVE'S
COMMUNICATION TO THE CHAIRMAN -- AND I READ
IT -- "DEAR SENATOR MCCAIN:" AND I READ TO THE RELEVANT PORTION
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OF IT. "THE CONSENSUS TEXT THAT HAS EVOLVED FROM CONTINUING
BIPARTISAN DISCUSSIONS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY ENCOURAGE
COOPERATIVE ACTION AND DISCOURAGE FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS LAWSUITS."
AND HE CITED SEVERAL KEY MEASURES THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO ENSURE
FAIR TREATMENT OF ALL PARTIES UNDER THE LAW. ONE WAS PROCEDURAL
INCENTIVES, THE REQUIREMENT OF NOTICE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO
CURE BEFORE A SUIT IS FILED. SENATOR MCCAIN HAS THAT IN HIS
BILL. WE HAVE THAT IN OUR BILL. SAME PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENT TO
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CURE. SAME PROCEDURAL EFFORT TO HAVE ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE
RESOLUTION RESOLUTION. WE BOTH ENCOURAGE ALTERNATIVE DISPUTES
AND MITIGATION. SECOND POINT. A REQUIREMENT THAT COURTS RESPECT
THE PROVISIONS OF CONTRACTS, PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT IN
PRESERVING AGREEMENTS OF THE PARTIES ON SUCH MATTERS AS
WARRANTY OBLIGATIONS AND DEFINITION OF RECOVERABLE DAMAGES.
SENATOR MCCAIN DOES THAT. WE DO THAT. WE PROVIDE THE EXACT
PROVISION OF CONTRACT PROTECTION EXCEPT WHERE THERE IS AN
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INTENTIONAL -- INTENTIONAL -- INJURY TO A PARTY.
AND I ASK MY COLLEAGUES: WHAT IS THE PUBLIC POLICY RATIONALE
FOR EXEMPTING A COMPANY FROM AN INTENTIONAL WRONGDOING TO AN
INDIVIDUAL THAT IS NOT A -- A SPECIFIC INTENT TO THAT
INDIVIDUAL BUT NEVERTHELESS FITS UNDER THE CONCEPT OF A
RECKLESS, WILLFUL OR WANTON ACT?
THIRD, MR. GROVE SAID HE WOULD THRESHOLD PLEADING PROVISIONS
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REQUIRING PARTICULARITY AS TO THE NATURE, AMOUNT OF FACTUAL
BASIS FOR THE DAMAGES AND MATERIALITY OF DEFECTS. WE DO THE
SAME THING. SENATOR MCCAIN DOES THAT. WE DO THAT. AND FINALLY,
APPOINTMENT OF LIABILITY ACCORDING TO FAULT ON PRINCIPLE
APPROVED BY THE SENATE IN TWO PREVIOUS MEASURES. THAT'S THE
SECURITIES REFORM BILL AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO THAT. SENATOR
MCCAIN GIVES IT TO THEM NO MATTER WHAT. YOU GET IT. YOU JUST
GET IT BECAUSE YOU'RE WHO YOU ARE. WE GIVE IT TO THEM IF THEY
TAKE
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TWO STEPS: IDENTIFY THE POTENTIAL FOR A Y2K PROBLEM, WHICH IS
WHAT THIS BILL IS ALL ABOUT, AND LET THE PEOPLE THEY'VE DEALT
WITH KNOW ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL. AGAIN, WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT
THEY FIX IT. WE DON'T REQUIRE WITH A CERTAINTY THAT THEY FIND
IT. WE REQUIRE THAT THEY JUST SAY THERE'S A POTENTIAL. AND
THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIX. THE FACT IS, MR.
PRESIDENT, THAT IS A MINIMALIST STANDARD THAT MOST COMPANIES
OUGHT TO BE PREPARED TO LIVE BY. MOST COMPANIES -- EVERY
COMPANY I'VE TALKED TO TELLS ME THEY'RE DOING THAT, OF COURSE
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THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, AND THEY WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO BE
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO THE REAL FIGHT HERE, I SUPPOSE, IS
OVER PUNITIVE DAMAGES AND OVER THE BREADTH OF REACH THAT SOME
PEOPLE ARE MAKING WITH RESPECT TO SOME OTHER EFFORTS, WHICH I
CAN GO INTO LATER AS THEY ARISE IN THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE. WE
HAVE A CONSUMER CARVEOUT. WE HAVE A DUTY TO MITIGATE. WE HAVE
PROPORTIONAL LIABILITY. WE HAVE -- ORK THE MCCAIN BILL ALSO
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CREATES JURISDICTION FOR ALL Y2K CLASS ARCSS -- CLASS ACTIONS
IN FEDERAL COURT FOR ALMOST ALL CASES. WELL, WE DON'T DO THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, THE FEDERAL BAR HAS TOLD US THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT,
THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM, FOR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT MEAN. AND,
SECONDLY, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING LESS RESPECTFUL OF STATES'
RIGHTS, OF THE STATES' ABILITIES TO MANAGE THEIR OWN AFFAIRS
WITH RESPECT TO HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED. AND THERE IS NO
SHOWING THAT THAT IS, IN FACT, NECESSARY. SO THE REACH OF THE
BILL, IN FACT, MR. PRESIDENT, GOES FURTHER THAN THAT WHICH IS
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NECESSARY TO FIX Y2K. AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE HERE, I WOULD
STILL HOPE MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME HE MEDIUM HERE WHERE PEOPLE
WILL COME TOGETHER. IT MAY BE THAT THE SENATE ISN'T IN A MOOD
TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. SO IT WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND PASS THE 96.
IT WILL GO TO CONFERENCE COMMITTEE. AND THEN GO TO THE
PRESIDENT AND HE'LL VETO IT AND WE'LL COME BACK. OR MAYBE WHEN
THE PRESIDENT GETS INTO THE NEGOTIATIONS IN THE CONFERENCE
COMMITTEE, THE VERY THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT WILL BE RESOLVED
AND IT WILL COME BACK TO US IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE OF GOOD
CONSCIENCE CAN SAY THIS IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY BECAUSE IT
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PROTECTS CONSUMERS EVEN AS IT CREATES A FAIR PROCESS FOR THE
AVOIDANCE OF FRIVOLOUS SUITS AND THE AVOIDANCE OF THE BURDENING
OF AN INDUSTRY THAT WE ALL RESPECT AND CARE ABOUT. I THINK OUR
BILL DOES THAT. I THINK OUR BILL JUSTIFIABLY PROTECTS THE
CAPACITY OF COMPANIES TO BE FREE FROM FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS.
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