Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:13:15 1996 somethings' weird. I can't save files to my own home directory! Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:20:02 1996 Is there anything fun going on tomorrow? Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:25:40 1996 yes, but you're not invited Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:26:01 1996 oh, hello psb Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:26:33 1996 are you the one that is the csua president? Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:07 1996 yes Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:27:17 1996 oh i thought you were going to take the 5th on that Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:27:41 1996 it's not something she could sonvincingly deny psb Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:28:09 1996 taking the 5th isnt a denial Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996 that would be impossible. People have to know I'm pres for me to do my job. If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do it, I wouldn't have accepted teh job. Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:28:40 1996 ok back to cleaning my living room Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:28:57 1996 no more CE games? Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:29:22 1996 hi peter whatcha up to? Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:28:40 1996 wall getting ready to sleep Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:30:17 1996 *Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996 || ||that would be impossible. People have to know I'm pres for me to do ||my job. If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do it, I ||wouldn't have accepted teh job. || Who is the CSUA VP again? Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:30:25 1996 that would be raytrace, psb Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:30:34 1996 it was either her or ben scotsman Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:30:32 1996 goognight peter Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:33:53 1996 *Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996 || ||that would be impossible. People have to know I'm pres for me to do ||my job. If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do it, I ||wouldn't have accepted teh job. || so madame president, given your point of view about political office what do you think about the job your VP has been doing? Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:35:25 1996 maybe now is the time to take the 5th Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:34:34 1996 It's irrelevant what I think. It's what the constituents think that's important. Boredcast Message from 'mehlhaff': Sun Jul 28 00:35:26 1996 since when has the VP really done anything over the summer? only time I've really seen the CSUa really don anything over the summer was during the soda hall move. Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:35:50 1996 you are seriously saying that you think csua president's opinion a bout the csua VP is "irrelvant"? and then you go on to "take the 5th"? Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:37:09 1996 what I am saying is that, my personal opinion doesn't matter. Or at least, it only matters as much as everyone elses does. Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:37:42 1996 thats a fine legal argument ... i didnt commit a crime. ok i dont want to talk about it. but you do have that right Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:38:22 1996 how about your professional opinion Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:38:47 1996 you can't argue that your professional opinion is irrelevant Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:38:34 1996 we are not discuss the worth but the content of your opinion. as you suggest, it's up to others to assess the worth Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:38:42 1996 pld : glad you asked that. my professional opinion will balways be the general opinion Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:39:14 1996 in make, is there a decent way to pass an extra param to the compiler when compiling certain files Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:39:12 1996 >you can't argue that your professional opinion is irrelevant but she can take the 5th. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:39:28 1996 wow, so you're like a professional sponge Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:39:28 1996 >my professional opinion will balways be the general opinion uh then what is the "general opinion"? Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:39:58 1996 is psb a general Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:39:37 1996 I personally believe that. I can have a personal opinion, but as an elected representative I should be just that. The person elected to represent the general view. Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:39:45 1996 it's the old dilemma: d'you want your politicians to have the courage of their convictions, or reflect the will of the populace, fickle as that may be? Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 00:40:23 1996 play on tbyte Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:40:26 1996 any i'm asking you what is the general opinion in this case. now that we understand that your "professional [sic] opinion" and the General Will are the same Boredcast Message from 'lindsay': Sun Jul 28 00:40:56 1996 are they sleeping in their vomit? Me, i'll put my money on it all my friends are drug fiends Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:41:02 1996 Invoking man pmake in background Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:40:34 1996 peterm : I will of course present my personal opinions and argue for them However, I will prepresent the general opinion Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:41:33 1996 psb : okay, in this case i can honestly answer I don't know. We've been in office for so short a time I havne't gotten much feedback on how any of us are doing. Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:41:57 1996 >However, I will prepresent the general opinion it seems pretty hard to get you to present the general opinion Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:42:18 1996 by prepresent, do you mean present first, or is it a typo for represent Boredcast Message from 'lindsay': Sun Jul 28 00:42:03 1996 pcp smack dope and speed that's what they say they all need all my friends are drug fiends Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:42:32 1996 present Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:42:42 1996 Not to cloud the issue or anything Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:42:39 1996 psb : really? why do you say that? Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:42:27 1996 so all you know is that you share an opinion which you dont know? that is quite remarkable. Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:42:50 1996 psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal opinions so far. It won't be until after the meeting and after the general will has been made known that I will act accordingly. Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:43:49 1996 so you have no will of your own? Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:44:08 1996 jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated. I chose to serve adn represent you, so I'll do that. Simple really. Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:44:41 1996 well not to burst any bubbles, but what I -- or the general will dictates -- want is not necessarily the same as 'good for the CSUA' Boredcast Message from 'mehlhaff': Sun Jul 28 00:45:26 1996 quite often, they[re counter. Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:45:18 1996 now to find out what the fuck kenji means when he says something is in the UCSEE library ... Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:44:38 1996 jon : I'll argue for what I believe, but if the majority is of a different opinion, than I have no choice but to concede. Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:45:35 1996 boy, people are getting themselves into trouble tonight Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:44:00 1996 so currently you have no "professional opinion" since you have not yet been told what to believe professionally. i suppose that makes it a semantic matter whether or not this non-existent opinion is relevant or not. it's also somewhat curious to jsl> I plead the 5th when your honest answer emerges as "i dont know" Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:45:45 1996 I realize that what peopol decide could be bad, but if that's what they want. It's my job to give everyone all the facts and help them to decide whta's best. Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:46:37 1996 and you rule the CSUA with an iron fist? Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:46:43 1996 that's not exactly how the representative model of gov't is supposed to work jsl Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:47:08 1996 peterm : please tell me how it's suposed to work then. Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:47:38 1996 I think psb could do it more concisely and precisely, if he cares to. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 00:48:58 1996 was that your platform julie? Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:46:46 1996 "give them all the facts"? ... do you think thats a problematic statement? but lets not get into the philosophy of science. >psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal opinions >jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated. what was the personal opinion of yours that you stated in this matter? kindly repeat it ... as far as i cant tell, the only think you said about your personal opinion was "it doesnt matter" Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:48:12 1996 you were elected and put into office because it was generally believed by those that voted for you that you could make the decisions that you would be called upon to make. note that that requires _you_ to make the deciosns Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:49:32 1996 mmmm...latenight flamewar Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:49:32 1996 you and the rest of politburo Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:49:52 1996 paul: if you think this is late ... man you aint see nuthin yet Boredcast Message from 'kenji': Sun Jul 28 00:50:19 1996 must listen to angry trent music Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:50:35 1996 jon : how do I knowwhen I'm being called to make a decision vs running a vote and acting accordingoy? Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:51:05 1996 hee Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:50:51 1996 maybe i shouldnt read any more Scott Turow novels :-) Boredcast Message from 'kenji': Sun Jul 28 00:51:20 1996 psb: same here ;) Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:51:24 1996 obRead_the_f***in_Constitution You were elected and given _authority_ to make decisions with the rest of politburo. votes involving the membership take place only when the gen. membership calls for it Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:52:23 1996 declare your absolute rule become the soda dictator Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:52:56 1996 i guess you are "taking the 5th" on my question: >>psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal opinions >>jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated. >what was the personal opinion of yours that you stated in this matter? >kindly repeat it ... as far as i cant tell, the only think you said about >your personal opinion was "it doesnt matter" > Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:52:53 1996 and doesnt matter all that much which const you read Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:53:16 1996 psb : what was the question again? It's lost in all this Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:53:59 1996 my question was, you in two walls referred to "stating personal opinions" >>>psb : as far as I know, I've run meetings and stated only personal >>>opinions and then mention that you previously stated your personal >>>opinion in the mater: >>jon : I have my personal oopinion as previsouly stated. i was requesting your to restate what it was you stated previously since all i could discover when i look was your stating "my personal opinion doesnt matter" Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:56:07 1996 psb : personal opinion regarding what? Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 00:56:35 1996 JESUS CHRIST Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:58:00 1996 my head hurts Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:58:08 1996 88888888888888888888888888888888888888 88 88 88 888b 88 88 88 d888 88 88 8888b 88 88 88 d8888 88 88 88 `8b 88 88 88 d8' 88 88 88 88 `8b 88 88 88 d8' 88 88 88 88 `8b 88 88 88 d8' 88 88 88 88 `8b 88 88 88 d8' 88 88 88 88 `8888 88 8888' 88 88 88 88 `888 88 888' 88 88 88 88 88888888888888888888888888888888888888 Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:58:15 1996 my understanding of the issue at hand was framed by this wall: *Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:33:53 1996 || ||*Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:27:44 1996 |||| ||||that would be impossible. People have to know I'm pres for me to ||||do my job. If I didn't wnat the job, or didn't think I could do ||||it, I wouldn't have accepted teh job. ||so madame president, given your point of view about political office ||what do you think about the job your VP has been doing? || Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 00:58:17 1996 jsl commanded: > pld : > glad you asked that. > my professional opinion will balways be the general opinion oh my god Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:58:32 1996 let me, at risk of confusing our poor president further, ask a little hypothetical ... say the general will and the constitution are in conflict ... will she side with the general will or the constitution? Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 00:58:51 1996 psb : okay, then I plead the 5th. I don't wish to comment on my personal opinion. If I have something to say, I'll sya it to rachael. Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 00:59:31 1996 I really like how frame loads images when I don't want it to Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 00:59:52 1996 do you still believe your personal opinion is irrelevant? Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:00:01 1996 I woulnd't take the fifth under the circumstances: how is anythin she could say self-incriminating? Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:00:49 1996 maybe she is ray's nub-slave Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 00:59:40 1996 well those who voted for you -- as well as the rest of the membership -- I think may reasonably have the expectation that people who dont do their job or fail to act responsibly in its execution will somehow be blown out of the water Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:00:33 1996 "the fifth" is often colloquial talk for "i dont want to talk about it" peter. as for incriminating one's self ... what can jsl possibly worry about us finding out. that she thinks what we think? Boredcast Message from 'paulwang': Sun Jul 28 01:02:15 1996 shhhh... Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:02:16 1996 Humm, psb: i generally use it in the stricter interpretation Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:02:50 1996 i'm sure you do Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:03:04 1996 committed any felonies lately? Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:03:15 1996 there are all sorts of ways to incriminate yourself, pld Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:03:27 1996 not all of them involve felonies or misdemeanors. Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:03:28 1996 my hypothetical was perhaps a hard one ... i wonder if she is thinking about it or is taking the 5th across the board Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:04:09 1996 that's kind of a non-sequitur but i won't argue it Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:04:28 1996 peter you dont have a 5th amd right in say a civil trial ... its possible if it becomes criminal trial they wont be able to use that testimony but in general you probably have to talk. Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:05:18 1996 julie your view of the way reps should function really doesn't work in an org like the CSUA...the govt is 99% executive. i could see you doing that if it were some parliamentary body where you aren't making executive decisions...and even then it's still a tad repugnant. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:05:51 1996 i will date both women Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:06:03 1996 pld's a rake! Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:06:05 1996 woop Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:05:37 1996 aaron : thanks for telling me this. I'm trying my best to figure out what the CSUA now want's of it's members. Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:06:11 1996 pld: weren't you just talking about non sequiturs Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:06:17 1996 leaders I mean Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:06:26 1996 it's a mangled quote from big trouble in little china Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:06:04 1996 aaron: yeah even if it was parliamentary, she's expected to make her own decisions still Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:06:30 1996 and "its" Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:06:20 1996 that's true, partha. No 5th in a civil trial. Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:06:40 1996 well, maybe i should look that up. Where's my copy of the constitution? Boredcast Message from 'lindsay': Sun Jul 28 01:05:41 1996 this was a highly successful day I got my boyfriends cd, a tape of my frined Robert playing music A copy of Repo Man and two artists phone numbers for mural prjects FREE FREE FREE Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:06:57 1996 jack burton....me Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:07:08 1996 at general meetings Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:06:18 1996 ms. jsl: how about my hypothetical. in case you have forgotten it: say the csua 'general will ' is X but the constitution says Y ... what does your professional opinion get "bound" to. Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:07:35 1996 psb : it all depends. if it happens, I'll deal with it. Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:08:06 1996 all depends? Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:07:58 1996 i am asking you how you would deal with it ... that is usually the point of a hypothetical, Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:08:02 1996 i guess this is whatyou get when you don't require an inagural oath Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:08:22 1996 lindsay, i ddin't know you had a bf thought you were avoiding men Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 01:08:20 1996 on the situation and everything else. how strong the opposing opinions are and etc. I can't hypothesize. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:09:26 1996 the only want i can think if is wanting members to not use unnecessary apostrophe's Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:09:54 1996 i want marco off root because he used root to read mail Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:09:47 1996 I'll think about that, pld, and judge the issue on it's merit Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:08:38 1996 how about a simpler question, jsl, did you have any idea what was required of the CSUA president when you ran? Did you attend any appreciable number of politburo and general meetings prior to running? Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:10:34 1996 well, that's getting into wants of politburo; those are more numerous Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:11:43 1996 there are no minutes from the last election Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:10:16 1996 well i'm not sure that makes sense ... i thought to be consistent you would have said "i'd side with the general membership if they wanted me to side with them or side with the constitution if that was the general will" but anyway ... so you are cable of weighting real arguments and opinions but not capable of weighting hypothetical/abstract arguments? thats interesting. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:12:59 1996 so does kumquats, but they're both correct! Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:13:16 1996 aaron walled: > pld: weren't you just talking about non sequiturs Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:13:15 1996 won't argue that. Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:13:30 1996 now where are those pliers ... Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:13:30 1996 it wasn't a non-sequitur, aaron it made perfect sense. Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:13:47 1996 nobody on my swall-cite-verblist "pontificates" yet Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:14:01 1996 I'll try and become really pompous, OK aaron? Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:14:06 1996 oooh, i forgot i have chicken from chez panisse in my fridge Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:14:11 1996 i think it's calling me Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:14:14 1996 i apologize, but it was lost on me Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:14:23 1996 maybe you should try being popous instead Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:14:26 1996 THEY KEEP CALLING ME Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:12:45 1996 that actually leads to a rather fascinating psychological/philosophical problems that remind be of the Schroedinger cat example about collapsing the wave function. say i were to try to convince jsl that "no freshmen should be allowed to become politburo members" ... now if i really believe that and was advocating it she could successfully weight it ... but say i was just engaging on hypothesizing ... then she would all of a sudden find herself in a branch where she is incapable of analyzing it Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:14:32 1996 funny aaron: just as that came through, the cd came to that track Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:14:57 1996 i like the song on 105 right now Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:15:26 1996 your vocabulary outclasses mine, pld Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:15:36 1996 i want to read godel escher bach Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:15:51 1996 "popous" isn't even inwebster Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:15:59 1996 popous isn't really a word; the proper is papal. but it made a better pun Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:16:15 1996 peterm: loosen up and your regexps might match :) Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:16:00 1996 GEB is actually a book i found kind of annoying. i bet dpetrous like GEB and like Zen and the art of MotoMaint Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:16:29 1996 sounds a bit like ani Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:16:42 1996 dpetrou likes GEB Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:16:46 1996 well, the "blow you away" does. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:17:03 1996 flea is playing bass for jewel on her upcoming album Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:17:09 1996 well...i have read some other daniell dennett and i liked parts of it...but there were some tedious areas i think it was "mind's i" Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:16:57 1996 >dpetrou likes GEB see thats a better example of "clever prediction" than "maybe partha will respond to this wall" Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:17:24 1996 or whwatever that guy's name is who wrote it Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:17:28 1996 geb is hofstadter Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:17:31 1996 i can't remember now Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 01:17:40 1996 whoever just nwrote me better resend Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:17:48 1996 it wasn't a maybe, and there was a time factor Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:18:23 1996 yeah, him. he wrote mind's i too. i really like turing's/godel's stuff about self-referential systems and unprovability and i just want to learn more from a text that i will be able to comprehend Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:17:43 1996 there is a good article on the mind-body problem [i wonder if jsl's opinion of the m-b problem is the same as the csua general opinion on it] in the penultimate economist aaron ... talk about dennett, churchland, ryle chamlers etc ... no searle Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:19:07 1996 dennett had a great piece in "mind's i" about mind/body Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:19:24 1996 rhetoric 10 was actually a great class...good prof Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:19:02 1996 i wonder if the csua has an "opinion" on the arrow impossibility theorem :-) hahahhahahhaha Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:19:28 1996 the current scientific american has an article on how cells differentiate into different tissues and organs in an embryo Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:20:35 1996 I ddint' get a chance to read much of it Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:20:41 1996 does jsl's act of informing the membship of her appraisal of the general will create a feedback loop? Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:20:55 1996 does it discuss left/right differentiation Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:20:27 1996 i wonder is this "question time" with the csua president would be of "general interest" to the csua ... maybe someone should post it to ucb.org.csua Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:22:07 1996 what effect do you intend producing with such a post, psb? Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:22:29 1996 uh paul i knew i had a msg with a peruvian addr in it but now i am unable to get a fix on it Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:22:36 1996 dont you think the csua should be aware of the power of their opinion to shape that of their leader[s] ... it might motivate people to be more involved Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:23:34 1996 pld elucidated: > geb is hofstadter you know now that i think more about "mind's i" i realize that all of the good stuff in it were included essays not written by hofstadter Boredcast Message from 'peterm': Sun Jul 28 01:23:32 1996 julie's already made very vocal efforts to get the opinions of her constituents on several issues Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:24:05 1996 i will say that i like dennett though - i like the way he develops his arguments Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:24:02 1996 i certainly learned a lot tonight peter. didnt you find this enlightening about the president? Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:24:37 1996 what is mind's i? Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:24:57 1996 maybe jsl doesn't have any background or convictions in the csua political arena and is at a loss what to do. in an effort not to piss people off she is "polling" Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:25:06 1996 programa contisuyo catilla 35 Ilo, PERU it may be castillo, I get it mixed up Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:25:28 1996 "the mind's i" is a hofstadter book with lots of essays on mind/body and AI framed by a hofstadter story Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:25:36 1996 it was an assigned rhet 10 text Boredcast Message from 'psb': Sun Jul 28 01:25:39 1996 this will help with the polling. Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:43:19 1996 hmm need some coke Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:43:37 1996 some companies give you free soda. here at veritas we get free blow. Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:44:27 1996 #define Throw return 0 < Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:46:12 1996 all people who can think of a useful reason for that macro are cool. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:48:41 1996 aaron walled: > some companies give you free soda. here at veritas we get free blow. doesn't loreena get jealous Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:49:43 1996 josh, you haven't embedded perl into any c apps ahve you? Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 01:49:44 1996 i share with her Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:50:29 1996 no, I needed a macro that I could prefix an expression with to insure and validiate a certain programming requirement. it needed to have lower precedence than <<. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:52:52 1996 that was separate from the throw question, actually Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:53:14 1996 oh, no, I don't really use perl. Boredcast Message from 'josh': Sun Jul 28 01:53:38 1996 have you? that's pretty cool. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:54:30 1996 i don't have any docs for tcl, and i was just reading in the man pages that it was easy to do for perl, so i did, kind of i'm not sure about the perl calling c code, but the reverse is kinda easy Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 01:54:44 1996 void InterpInit(char* env[]) { int fake_argc = 1; char* fake_argv[2] = {"foo", "init.pl"}; interp = perl_alloc(); perl_construct(interp); perl_parse(interp, NULL, fake_argc, fake_argv, env); perl_run(interp); } Boredcast Message from 'aaron': Sun Jul 28 02:04:12 1996 goodnight Boredcast Message from 'jsl': Sun Jul 28 02:06:29 1996 *yawn* goodnight. Boredcast Message from 'ali': Sun Jul 28 02:35:24 1996 pld, it is trivial to do it with tcl too. Boredcast Message from 'pld': Sun Jul 28 02:35:47 1996 well, not without man pages Boredcast Message from 'ali': Sun Jul 28 02:35:40 1996 and the reverse is even cooler if you use my automatic tcl wrapper generate or of rule. Boredcast Message from 'dpetrou': Sun Jul 28 02:59:14 1996 "When I see a fire, I feel my anger rising. This was not a friendly fire. This was not a forest fire. It was a fire *in the woods*. This is all I am permitted to say." Boredcast Message from 'dpetrou': Sun Jul 28 02:59:48 1996 "Miscommunication sometimes leads to arguments, and arugments sometimes lead to fights. Anger is usually present in arguments and fights. Anger is an emotion, usually classified as a negative emotion. Negative emotions can cause severe problems in our environment and to the health of our body. "Happiness, usually classified as a positive emotion, can bring good health to our body, and spread positive vibrations into our environment. Sometimes when we are ill, we are not on our best behavior. By ill, I mean any of the following: physically ill, emotionally ill, mentally ill, and/or spiritually ill." Boredcast Message from 'ali': Sun Jul 28 03:02:29 1996 ====== 203300 unread articles in ucb.* -- read now? [+ynq] ****** End of newsgroups -- what next? [npq] ====== 842268793 unread articles in ucb.* -- read now? [+ynq] ****** End of newsgroups -- what next? [npq] ====== 842268793 unread articles in ucb.* -- read now? [+ynq] ****** End of newsgroups -- what next? [npq] trn sucks Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 03:02:49 1996 cool, i have a terminal again Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 03:04:29 1996 you need to read news more often ali Boredcast Message from 'jon': Sun Jul 28 03:19:26 1996 ding