Here are the messages between 20080201 and 20080229. 1. Add point source in HSPF! 2. BASINS HSPF Error 3. BASINS DEM delineation Error 4. Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error 5. FW: ASABE Watershed Technology Conference Registration Deadline January 31st! 6. Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error 7. Re: Landuse Tool 8. Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error 9. Annual Toronto International meeting on urban water systems modeling, Feb 21-22 10. HSPF sensitivity analysis? 11. Re: HSPF sensitivity analysis? 12. RE: HSPF sensitivity analysis? 13. WDM Utils 14. PCS Data Download error 15. BASINS 4.0 Runtime error 16. Re: PCS Data Download error 17. Re: BASINS 4.0 Runtime error 18. PCS data use in PLOAD 19. STORET Watershed Summary Web 20. Parameter list for HSPF12? 21. RE: Parameter list for HSPF12? 22. RE: Parameter list for HSPF12? 23. write weather generator error 24. USGS Gage Daily Values Data Failed When Conversion to WDM Problem Corrected with a New Script 25. Swat/ArcSwat? 26. HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO? 27. Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO? 28. RE: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO? 29. Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO? 30. Hourly nutrient simulation! 31. Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO? 32. Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project 33. setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF 34. RE: Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project 35. RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF 36. RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF 37. RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF 38. RE: Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project 39. RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF 40. RE: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF 41. PLOAD: 'Records found without impervious values' 42. Metric Units in BASINS/HSPF ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 1 X-lyris-Id: 165770 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:54:08 +0100 From: Hong Quan Nguyen Subject: Add point source in HSPF! Dear All, I am trying to simulate the effects of point sources in my study catchment. I find the in the "create point source" in WinHSPF only provide "Name of contaminants", "Factory", "Daily loading", "reach", "scenario". Thus, I would like to know: - What is the exact name for each of contaminants to define e.g. Suspended solid, Total Nitrogen, Total Phosphorus (which are often monitored) - How to set the location of the point source regarding to its reach? - How to include the concentration and flow discharge instead of daily loading? (I raise this question since got the simulated flow has changed much when I add the point source comparing to "without the point source". (additional information: the concentration is quite high, e.g. suspended solid ~ 1500mg/L) I have been struggling with this for days. Thus, I would appreciate very much if someone could help me. Thank you very much in advanced, Best regards, Quan ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 2 X-lyris-Id: 165857 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:53:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mansoor A Baloch Subject: BASINS HSPF Error --0-258019512-1202147598=:57629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS. BASINS HSPF ERROR An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt. At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting this message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed in USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of the latest version of OCX file for the map window. The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation when Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had to create a new BASINS project and try again. With several uninstall reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the same message. Any ideas? Thanks Mansoor A Baloch Geospatial Software Lab Idaho State University, Idaho Falls ID 83401, USA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-258019512-1202147598=:57629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello

For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.

BASINS HSPF ERROR
An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.

At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting this message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed in USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of  the latest version of OCX file for the map window.

The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation when Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had to create a new BASINS project and try again. With several  uninstall reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the same message.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Mansoor A Baloch
Geospatial Software Lab
Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
ID 83401, USA


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Hi all,

 

I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian = subwatersheds I get error messages like:

 

“Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is = often an indication that other memory is corrupt.”

“An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of = type “System.OutofMemoryException” was thrown”

Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM = processing. When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing works = perfect.

 

I tried the following:  

1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is = sound

2. All files are stored on local hard = drives

3. All file names less than 8 = characters.

4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several = times.

 

Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail? =

 

I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. = Is it an internal limitation on size of the grid?

 

Thank you very much,

 

Igor Iskra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: = Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]
Sent: February 4, 2008 = 12:53 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] = BASINS HSPF Error

 

Hello

For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I = try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.

BASINS HSPF ERROR
An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. = This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.

At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the = UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting this message when I am trying to create = the UCI file for a watershed in USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled = and reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of  = the latest version of OCX file for the map window.

The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation = when Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I = had to create a new BASINS project and try again. With several  uninstall reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed = but moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting = the same message.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Mansoor A Baloch
Geospatial Software Lab
Idaho State = University, Idaho Falls
ID = 83401, USA

 

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Igor,

It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can upload
problematic data sets and discuss solutions.  As developers of the AWD tool
in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your data and
then debug using it.)

In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (
dpames@gmail.com) I'd like to try to run it here.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, Iskra, Igor  wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian
> subwatersheds I get error messages like:
>
>
>
> "Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication
> that other memory is corrupt."
>
> "An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type
> "System.OutofMemoryException" was thrown"
>
> Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM processing.
> When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing works perfect.
>
>
>
> I tried the following:
>
> 1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is sound
>
> 2. All files are stored on local hard drives
>
> 3. All file names less than 8 characters.
>
> 4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.
>
>
>
> Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail?
>
>
>
> I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it an
> internal limitation on size of the grid?
>
>
>
> Thank you very much,
>
>
>
> Igor Iskra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* February 4, 2008 12:53 PM
> *To:* Private list for BASINS users
> *Subject:* [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF Error
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I
> try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.
>
> *BASINS HSPF ERROR
> An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is
> often an indication that other memory is corrupt.*
>
> At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the
> UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting this
> message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed in USA for
> which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and
> reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of  the
> latest version of OCX file for the map window.
>
> The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation when
> Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had
> to create a new BASINS project and try again. With several  uninstall
> reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but
> moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the
> same message.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mansoor A Baloch
> Geospatial Software Lab
> Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
> ID 83401, USA
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
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Igor,

It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can 
upload problematic data sets and discuss solutions.  As developers of the 
AWD tool in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your 
data and then debug using it.)


In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (dpames@gmail.com) I'd like to try to run 
it here.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, 
Iskra, Igor <IIskra@dillon.ca> 
wrote:

























Hi 
all,



 



I have 
a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian subwatersheds
I get error messages like: 



 



"Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an
indication that other memory is corrupt."



"An 
error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type 
"System.OutofMemoryException"
was thrown"



Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM processing.
When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing works 
perfect.



 



I tried 
the following:  



1. I 
made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is 
sound



2. All 
files are stored on local hard drives



3. All 
file names less than 8 characters.



4. 
Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.



 



Any 
other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail? 



 



I also 
noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it an
internal limitation on size of the grid?



 



Thank 
you very much,



 



Igor 
Iskra



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 















From: Mansoor A Baloch
[mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com] 

Sent: February 4, 2008 12:53 
PM

To: Private
 list for BASINS users

Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF
Error






 



Hello



For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when I try to
delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS. 



BASINS HSPF ERROR

An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is
often an indication that other memory is corrupt.



At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create the UCI
file for my watershed in Turkey.
However recently I am getting this message when I am trying to create the UCI
file for a watershed in USA
for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have uninstalled and
reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re installation of  the
latest version of OCX file for the map window. 



The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation when
Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its stuck. I had to
create a new BASINS project and try again. With several  uninstall
reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to delineate my watershed but
moving to the next step for preparation of UCI file I am again getting the same
message.



Any ideas?



Thanks



Mansoor A Baloch

Geospatial Software Lab

Idaho State University, Idaho Falls

ID 83401,
 USA







  













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with
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Concepcion, Chile


 =




This ASABE Conference, =
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X-lyris-Id: 165871
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:20:33 -0600
From: Perkins.Bruce@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error

There was a previous list posting on this problem in Basins 4.0 dated
06/18/2007 from Andrew Fang.

Here is the fix given in that posting,

Go to your
Basins/bin/plugins/watershed_delin
directory and make a backup copy of the mwTaudemBasinsWrapper.dll and
then replace the original with the version at the link below.

http://svn.mapwindow.org/svnroot/MapWindow4Dev/Bin/Plugins/watershed_delin/mwTau
demBasinsWrapper.dll

Instituting this fixed my watershed delineation problems.

Bruce Perkins
Life Scientist - TMDL Team
U.S. E.P.A. Region 7
WWPD/WQMB
901 N 5th Street
Kansas City, KS 66101
perkins.bruce@epa.gov
913.551.7067
fax 913.551.9067


                                                                        
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Igor,

It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can upload
problematic data sets and discuss solutions.  As developers of the AWD
tool in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your
data and then debug using it.)

In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (
dpames@gmail.com) I'd like to try to run it here.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, Iskra, Igor  wrote:
  Hi all,





  I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian
  subwatersheds I get error messages like:





  "Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an
  indication that other memory is corrupt."


  "An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type
  "System.OutofMemoryException" was thrown"


  Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM
  processing. When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing
  works perfect.





  I tried the following:


  1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is sound


  2. All files are stored on local hard drives


  3. All file names less than 8 characters.


  4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.





  Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail?





  I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it
  an internal limitation on size of the grid?





  Thank you very much,





  Igor Iskra
































  From: Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]
  Sent: February 4, 2008 12:53 PM
  To: Private list for BASINS users
  Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF Error





  Hello

  For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when
  I try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.

  BASINS HSPF ERROR
  An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This
  is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.

  At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create
  the UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting
  this message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed
  in USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have
  uninstalled and reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re
  installation of  the latest version of OCX file for the map window.

  The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation
  when Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its
  stuck. I had to create a new BASINS project and try again. With
  several  uninstall reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to
  delineate my watershed but moving to the next step for preparation of
  UCI file I am again getting the same message.

  Any ideas?

  Thanks

  Mansoor A Baloch
  Geospatial Software Lab
  Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
  ID 83401, USA









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Dont you use a classification file?

Mansoor


Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com wrote:  Emma,
 
 I usually create a shapefile with the fields GRIDCODE (number code) and LU_GRP 
(string, ex. SFL - Single Family Residential Low Density).  Once that is added 
to your BASINS project and you run the HSPF setup, you then enter impervious %s 
for each of your land uses.  I have found this successful in working with a 
watershed using over 20 different categories.
 
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the fields GRIDCODE (number code) and LU_GRP (string, ex. SFL - Single Family 
Residential Low Density).  Once that is added to your BASINS project and you 
run the HSPF setup, you then enter impervious %s for each of your land uses.  I 
have found this successful in working with a watershed using over 20 different 
categories.
 
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Engineer
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 277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
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VA 23452
 757-499-4224 ext. 1266
 
  

 
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:39:40 -0700
From: "Allen Richard Anselmo" 
Subject: Re: BASINS DEM delineation Error

Just to warn everyone, the most current version of the 
mwTaudemBasinsWrapper.dll requires the newest version of the 
MapwinGeoproc.dll to function correctly (and it's also kind of in a beta 
testing for a change I've made to one of the subbasin grid generation, which 
is found in the mapwingeoproc)

You're all welcome to try it out, but to do so, you need to also make a 
backup of your C:\basins\bin\MapWinGeoProc.dll file
then get the newest from 
http://svn.mapwindow.org/svnroot/MapWindow4Dev/Bin/MapWinGeoProc.dll

I _think_ that these are the only two files that have to be updated for the 
newest watershed delin, but if you run into any show-stopping bugs, then I'd 
suggest reverting to your backup dlls and waiting for the basins patch that 
I think is coming out in a month or two potentially.

Sorry for any problems caused by these changes.

Allen Anselmo
Mapwindow Developer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: "Private list for BASINS users" 
Cc: "Private list for BASINS users" ; 

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] BASINS DEM delineation Error


> There was a previous list posting on this problem in Basins 4.0 dated
> 06/18/2007 from Andrew Fang.
>
> Here is the fix given in that posting,
>
> Go to your
> Basins/bin/plugins/watershed_delin
> directory and make a backup copy of the mwTaudemBasinsWrapper.dll and
> then replace the original with the version at the link below.
>
> 
http://svn.mapwindow.org/svnroot/MapWindow4Dev/Bin/Plugins/watershed_delin/mwTau
demBasinsWrapper.dll
>
> Instituting this fixed my watershed delineation problems.
>
> Bruce Perkins
> Life Scientist - TMDL Team
> U.S. E.P.A. Region 7
> WWPD/WQMB
> 901 N 5th Street
> Kansas City, KS 66101
> perkins.bruce@epa.gov
> 913.551.7067
> fax 913.551.9067
>
>
>
>             "Daniel Ames"
>                          u>                                                      To
>             Sent by:                 "Private list for BASINS users"
>             dpames@gmail.com         
>                                                                     cc
>
>             02/04/2008 02:51                                   Subject
>             PM                       Re: [basinsinfo] BASINS DEM
>                                      delineation Error
>
>              Please respond
>                    to
>              "Private list
>                for BASINS
>                  users"
>                             s.epa.gov>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Igor,
>
> It may be time to set up a wiki discussion page where people can upload
> problematic data sets and discuss solutions.  As developers of the AWD
> tool in BASINS this could help us out (i.e. we could quickly get at your
> data and then debug using it.)
>
> In the mean time, if you are able to send me your data directly (
> dpames@gmail.com) I'd like to try to run it here.
>
> Dan
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 12:50 PM, Iskra, Igor  wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>
>
>
>
>  I have a similar problem as Mansoor. When I delineate Canadian
>  subwatersheds I get error messages like:
>
>
>
>
>
>  "Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an
>  indication that other memory is corrupt."
>
>
>  "An error occurred while filling the grid: exception of type
>  "System.OutofMemoryException" was thrown"
>
>
>  Occasionally the BASINS 4.0 shuts down in the middle of DEM
>  processing. When I switched back to Basins 3.1 all DEM processing
>  works perfect.
>
>
>
>
>
>  I tried the following:
>
>
>  1. I made sure DEM is projected (NAD83, UTM 18N) and DEM file is sound
>
>
>  2. All files are stored on local hard drives
>
>
>  3. All file names less than 8 characters.
>
>
>  4. Reinstall BASINS 4 several times.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Any other idea what can cause DEM delineation to fail?
>
>
>
>
>
>  I also noticed that BASINS 4.0 has trouble to handle large DEM. Is it
>  an internal limitation on size of the grid?
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thank you very much,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Igor Iskra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  From: Mansoor A Baloch [mailto:maahbaloch@yahoo.com]
>  Sent: February 4, 2008 12:53 PM
>  To: Private list for BASINS users
>  Subject: [basinsinfo] BASINS HSPF Error
>
>
>
>
>
>  Hello
>
>  For quite some time now I am having this error message appearing when
>  I try to delineate or try to run HSPF from BASINS.
>
>  BASINS HSPF ERROR
>  An error occurred:" Attempted to read or write protected memory. This
>  is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.
>
>  At first It was happening when I was trying to delineate and create
>  the UCI file for my watershed in Turkey. However recently I am getting
>  this message when I am trying to create the UCI file for a watershed
>  in USA for which I had downloaded all the data from BASINS. I have
>  uninstalled and reinstalled BASINS and we have gone through the re
>  installation of  the latest version of OCX file for the map window.
>
>  The strangest thing is the message appears either during delineation
>  when Automatic watershed delineator is run and from then onwards its
>  stuck. I had to create a new BASINS project and try again. With
>  several  uninstall reinstall BASINS attempts I finally was able to
>  delineate my watershed but moving to the next step for preparation of
>  UCI file I am again getting the same message.
>
>  Any ideas?
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Mansoor A Baloch
>  Geospatial Software Lab
>  Idaho State University, Idaho Falls
>  ID 83401, USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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To all subscribers: A gentle reminder for the International Conference on
Stormwater and Urban Water Systems Modeling coming up in Toronto, February
21-22, 2008, to register at: 
 
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The current list of presentations is at:
 
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There is also an accompanying two-day workshop on US EPA SWMM. 
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analysis tool to help in deciding what parameters are most sensitive to cha=
nge, in order to get a good result? With so many parameters, it feels rathe=
r important to know which ones are most important to estimate correctly.
Also, does HSPF only run on hourly data? There is no option to have it run =
on daily data or less?
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I am wondering whether HSPF includes some form of an automatic sensitivity =
analysis tool to help in deciding what parameters are most sensitive to cha=
nge, in order to get a good result? With so many parameters, it feels rathe=
r important to know which ones are most important to estimate correctly.
Also, does HSPF only run on hourly data? There is no option to have it run =
on daily data or less?

 


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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:34:37 -0500 (EST)
From: jferrari@al.umces.edu
Subject: Re: HSPF sensitivity analysis?

Emma,

HSPF has alot of parameters, and there is no  sensitivity analysis tool
that I know of.  However, you can check out EPA TecNote6, which has good
info on the parameters, their ranges, etc.  Also, different authors have
explored this and there are suggestions available in the literature.  For
example Atkins et al (2005?) have a USGS publication on HSPF simulation of
WV watersheds where they discuss which parameters the model was most
sensitive to.  You can download the document from the USGS web site.

For straight-up watershed/hydro modeling, the parameters the model is most
sensitive to will include INFILT and LZETP (for water balance) and the
storage parameters (UZSN and LZSN) as well as recession rates (AGWRC, IRC)
for hydrograph shape.

Hourly vs. Daily- HSPF needs hourly data to run.  If you only have daily
precip and min/max daily temps, you can use the WDMUTIL disaggregate tool
to generate estimates of hourly rain/temp distribution (pyramidal
distribution centered on the time of daily record).  The model runs on
hourly basis but you can set flags in the UCI file to only output daily
totals to match your daily input data.

Good luck!

Joe Ferrari


>
> I am wondering whether HSPF includes some form of an automatic sensitivity
> analysis tool to help in deciding what parameters are most sensitive to
> change, in order to get a good result? With so many parameters, it feels
> rather important to know which ones are most important to estimate
> correctly.
> Also, does HSPF only run on hourly data? There is no option to have it run
> on daily data or less?
>
> Sincerely,
> Emma Radahl
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:54:35 -0500
From: "Tom Jobes" 
Subject: RE: HSPF sensitivity analysis?

Emma,

HSPF and its suite of interface programs do not include any sensitivity
analysis tools; however the model
can be linked to PEST do perform this.  If the BASINS website doesn't
have any links, then I can try
to dig you up a reference or two on how to do this.  As far as
importance of parameters in calibration,
then I second the previous poster's suggestion to review Tech Note 6 -
it's perhaps one of the most
important things to read besides the manual itself when one is first
learning to apply HSPF.

I also wanted to correct the previous poster's last paragraph.
Technically HSPF can run at any timestep=20
from 1 minute to 1 day (as long as it divides evenly into a day), and
can accept data at any of those timesteps. =20
Generally, however, it is best to run at the same timestep as your
available precipitation data.  While daily precip=20
is much more common than hourly, the model performance is simply not as
good with a daily timestep, so disaggregation
of the rainfall to hourly as he mentions is used in the vast majority of
cases where hourly rainfall is not available
for use directly.  The WinHSPF interface in some places implicitly
assumes that you want to do this, making
it easy to conclude that hourly is the only way.   Daily runs are very
rare, and fifteen-minute and five-minute runs
are done where such rainfall data exists , but this is also uncommon.

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
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C: 386-937-6341

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Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF sensitivity analysis?

Emma,

HSPF has alot of parameters, and there is no  sensitivity analysis tool
that I know of.  However, you can check out EPA TecNote6, which has good
info on the parameters, their ranges, etc.  Also, different authors have
explored this and there are suggestions available in the literature.
For
example Atkins et al (2005?) have a USGS publication on HSPF simulation
of
WV watersheds where they discuss which parameters the model was most
sensitive to.  You can download the document from the USGS web site.

For straight-up watershed/hydro modeling, the parameters the model is
most
sensitive to will include INFILT and LZETP (for water balance) and the
storage parameters (UZSN and LZSN) as well as recession rates (AGWRC,
IRC)
for hydrograph shape.

Hourly vs. Daily- HSPF needs hourly data to run.  If you only have daily
precip and min/max daily temps, you can use the WDMUTIL disaggregate
tool
to generate estimates of hourly rain/temp distribution (pyramidal
distribution centered on the time of daily record).  The model runs on
hourly basis but you can set flags in the UCI file to only output daily
totals to match your daily input data.

Good luck!

Joe Ferrari


>
> I am wondering whether HSPF includes some form of an automatic
sensitivity
> analysis tool to help in deciding what parameters are most sensitive
to
> change, in order to get a good result? With so many parameters, it
feels
> rather important to know which ones are most important to estimate
> correctly.
> Also, does HSPF only run on hourly data? There is no option to have it
run
> on daily data or less?
>
> Sincerely,
> Emma Radahl
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Date: Thu,  7 Feb 2008 15:07:27 -0000
From: "Eric Hempel" 
Subject: PCS Data Download error

When attempting to download PCS Data for use with a PLOAD screen, I get the 
following error in the log:Error: could not find CSV URL in the output:
Can anyone help me?

Thanks,

Eric Hempel

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:44:32 -0600
From: "Lian, Yanqing" 
Subject: BASINS 4.0 Runtime error

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:49:05 -0500
From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: PCS Data Download error

When you download PCS using the BASINS Data Download Tool the CSV file
can be found under the
 /BASINS/Cache/clsPCSDischarge folder.

           
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the following error in the log:Error: could not find CSV URL in the
output:
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:13:47 -0500
From: Partington.Ed@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: BASINS 4.0 Runtime error

If you were trying to download STORET data then this link is broken
because the STORET Group has reconfigured their web data download
services. We are currently working on a fix. You will need to download
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BASINS 4.o crushed while downloading water quality data. There is an
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Date: Thu,  7 Feb 2008 20:34:19 -0000
From: "Eric Hempel" 
Subject: PCS data use in PLOAD

Ed, Thanks for the info. 

I was able to get the data to download, but when I run the PLOAD model with the 
"use point sources" box checked on the point source tab, and I change the Point 
Source loading file to the dbf I run into questions. First the data downloaded 
into two .dbf files and many .csv files, which of these should I use? and do I 
need to combine the files of like format into one file?

I tried running the model with the .dbf files combined into one and separately, 
the model results were identical each time. As I am modelling for TN and TP and 
there are several WWTP in the modelled watershed, I am skeptical that I have 
correctly set the model up to use the PCS data.

Thanks for the help, 

Eric Hempel
Water Quality Standards
Water Protection Program
Missouri Department of Natural Resources
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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:51:25 -0500
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Subject: STORET Watershed Summary Web

If you want to know what's data is available in STORET for a particular
8 digit HUC then checkout the STORET Watershed Summary at
http://www.epa.gov/storet/wtshd_summary.html
For a selected watershed the organization name and the number of
stations and the time period for the data such as metals, nutrients, or
pesticides are displayed. Then further links are available for number of
samples, type of sample, and time period collected.


           
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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:29:13 +0100
From: Emma Radahl 
Subject: Parameter list for HSPF12?

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I found a comprehensive parameter listing for HSPF v11 at http://www.epa.go=
v/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf. I'm curious if there exists a parame=
ter list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would be greatly appreciated =
(since I am trying to get an overview on what parameters I will need to kno=
w in order to fully be able to use HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, =
but I cannot seem to find all the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM =
5-7 are missing).
=20
I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be turned =
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some help i=
n TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how the different modu=
les need to be run and calibrated for a simulation (if I want to model nutr=
ients, do I first need to calibrate for hydrology, then for sediment, water=
 temperature etc - and after all that is finished, I then choose either the=
 QUAL modules or the AGCHEM one)? If I know that have wet atmospheric depos=
ition, do I also need to take this into consideration from the start?
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Sincerely,
Emma Radahl
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I found a comprehensive parameter listing for HSPF v11 at http://www.epa.gov/waters=
cience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf. I'm curious if there exists a parameter =
list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would be greatly appreciated (sin=
ce I am trying to get an overview on what parameters I will need to know in=
 order to fully be able to use HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, but =
I cannot seem to find all the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 =
are missing).

 

I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be turned =
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some help i=
n TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how the=
 different modules need to be run and calibrated for a simulation=
 (if I want to model nutrients, do I first need to calibrate for =
hydrology, then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that is=
 finished, I then choose either the QUAL modules or the AGCHEM on=
e)? If I know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also need to =
take this into consideration from the start?

 

Sincerely,

Emma Radahl

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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:19:49 -0800
From: "Burkey, Jeff" 
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HI Emma,

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The parameter list you're referring too is part of version 12.X.  You
should go to the EPA link and update your version of HSFP/BASINS (you
don't have to go 4.0 to get the parameter list you're looking for, just
the newest 3.x version).  The new user's manual in the form of a help
file (i.e. CHM) will contain all that information. In the user's manual,
it does specify all the dependencies when running a particular module.
In general (but not explicitly), the dependencies of activities follow
the sequence of flags in the "ACTIVITY" table specified in the manual
and UCI files from left to right.  Aqua Terra has done a great job
making things intuitive and consistent over all these years on
maintenance for HSPF.  That is no small feat!  Very easy for things to
become "spaghetti" code, when something lives as long as HSPF (1977?)

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I think once you familiarize yourself with HSPF you'll quickly find the
most efficient matter to develop a hydrodynamic and nutrient watershed
model(s).  Like you mentioned, the conventional sequence is water
quantity, then sediment, shade, then temperature, algae/macrophytes,
nutrients, etc.  Sediment should be done prior to nutrients based on the
assumed absorption, settling, and re-suspension rates for your situation
(what you didn't mention but probably inferred are you hydraulics-those
will drive your hydrology and sediments) and assuming you have the data.
As you can imagine temperature is equally important, what may not be so
obvious is the shade component to modeling stream temperatures.  If
you're in an area where riparian vegetation can contribute significant
and variable amounts of shade to a stream given its position to the
stream and sun, shade can be a critical element to successfully
generating a robust water temperature model.  HSPF has two (anyone
correct me if I'm wrong) methods: a simple constant  per reach, and a
physically based model derived from Chen's work-again all is listed in
the manual). Brian Bicknell did a great job incorporating the physical
shade modeling from Chen into HSPF.  For a lot of EPA TMDL work our
there, water temperatures is a common limiting factor, and something
that warrants a more physically based approach. One note about water
temperature modeling (again maybe this is fixed), if water depths in
your FTABLEs get too shallow, the water temperature will default to air
temperature which is definitely not the case in non-agricultural higher
energy systems.  This really only becomes an issue in headwater
catchments, or I guess in systems with very broad channels relative to
depth.  The quick fix is to create a "pilot" channel in your ftable that
does not let the AVDEP get below ~ 0.2 feet- but this then affects the
suspended sediment modeling, and so forth.  I bold that because the
average depth is not the same as FTABLE depth (i.e. DEP).  AVDEP is
based on reach volume and surface area, which depending on your channel
geometry can be widely different from your FTABLE depth.

=20

You're wet/dry atmospheric depositions can be significant in nutrients
(and other analytes) depending on regional land use practices, whether
they are sensitive to your overall nutrient models completely depends on
your local conditions and assumed scenarios to be run.  As Curtis (a
colleague) would say, there are many other non-point sources for
nutrient loadings beyond atmospheric to worry about-fertilization
practices, failing septics, CSO outfalls, etc-although if it's a cheap
monitoring program to solve 5% of your loads...why not?

=20

My personal philosophy on what to include, if you have credible data
appropriate to calibrate a model too, use it. It's one less degree of
freedom for your critics to focus on-but give yourself some wiggle room.
IF you have a completely data driven model that doesn't calibrate well,
you have a BIG problem to solve, which you'll spend revising your
algorithms.  Groundwater loads is a nice BIG knob to turn, but NOT the
first, unless of course your focus for your study is groundwater.  In
that case, I would use a different model.=20

=20

Regards

- jeff

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Subject: [basinsinfo] Parameter list for HSPF12?

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I found a comprehensive parameter listing for HSPF v11 at
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf. I'm curious if
there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would
be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use
HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all
the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).
=20
I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be
turned on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found
some help in TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how the
different modules need to be run and calibrated for a simulation (if I
want to model nutrients, do I first need to calibrate for hydrology,
then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that is
finished, I then choose either the QUAL modules or the AGCHEM one)? If I
know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also need to take this
into consideration from the start?
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Sincerely,
Emma Radahl

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HI =
Emma,



 



The parameter list you’re =
referring
too is part of version 12.X.  You should go to the EPA link and =
update
your version of HSFP/BASINS (you don’t have to go 4.0 to get the
parameter list you’re looking for, just the newest 3.x =
version). 
The new user’s manual in the form of a help file (i.e. CHM) will =
contain
all that information. In the user’s manual, it does specify all =
the
dependencies when running a particular module.  In general (but not
explicitly), the dependencies of activities follow the sequence of flags =
in the
“ACTIVITY” table specified in the manual and UCI files from =
left to
right.  Aqua Terra has done a great job making things intuitive and
consistent over all these years on maintenance for HSPF.  That is =
no small
feat!  Very easy for things to become “spaghetti” code, =
when
something lives as long as HSPF (1977?)



 



I think once you familiarize =
yourself with
HSPF you’ll quickly find the most efficient matter to develop a
hydrodynamic and nutrient watershed model(s).  Like you mentioned, =
the
conventional sequence is water quantity, then sediment, shade, then temperature, =
algae/macrophytes,
nutrients, etc.  Sediment should be done prior to nutrients based =
on the
assumed absorption, settling, and re-suspension rates for your situation =
(what
you didn’t mention but probably inferred are you =
hydraulics—those will
drive your hydrology and sediments) and assuming you have the data. As =
you can
imagine temperature is equally important, what may not be so obvious is =
the
shade component to modeling stream temperatures.  If you’re =
in an
area where riparian vegetation can contribute significant and variable =
amounts of
shade to a stream given its position to the stream and sun, shade can be =
a
critical element to successfully generating a robust water temperature
model.  HSPF has two (anyone correct me if I’m wrong) =
methods: a simple
constant  per reach, and a physically based model derived from =
Chen’s
work—again all is listed in the manual). Brian Bicknell did a =
great job incorporating
the physical shade modeling from Chen into HSPF.  For a lot of EPA =
TMDL
work our there, water temperatures is a common limiting factor, and =
something
that warrants a more physically based approach. One note about water
temperature modeling (again maybe this is fixed), if water depths in =
your
FTABLEs get too shallow, the water temperature will default to air =
temperature which
is definitely not the case in non-agricultural higher energy =
systems.  This
really only becomes an issue in headwater catchments, or I guess in =
systems
with very broad channels relative to depth.  The quick fix is to =
create a “pilot”
channel in your ftable that does not let the AVDEP get below ~ 0.2 =
feet- but
this then affects the suspended sediment modeling, and so forth.  I =
bold
that because the average depth is not the same as FTABLE depth (i.e.
DEP).  AVDEP is based on reach volume and surface area, which =
depending on
your channel geometry can be widely different from your FTABLE =
depth.



 



You’re wet/dry atmospheric
depositions can be significant in nutrients (and other analytes) =
depending on
regional land use practices, whether they are sensitive to your overall
nutrient models completely depends on your local conditions and assumed
scenarios to be run.  As Curtis (a colleague) would say, there are =
many
other non-point sources for nutrient loadings beyond atmospheric to =
worry about—fertilization
practices, failing septics, CSO outfalls, etc—although if =
it’s a
cheap monitoring program to solve 5% of your loads…why =
not?



 



My personal philosophy on what to =
include,
if you have credible data appropriate to calibrate a model too, use it. =
It’s
one less degree of freedom for your critics to focus on—but give =
yourself
some wiggle room. IF you have a completely data driven model that =
doesn’t
calibrate well, you have a BIG problem to solve, which you’ll =
spend revising
your algorithms.  Groundwater loads is a nice BIG knob to turn, but =
NOT
the first, unless of course your focus for your study is =
groundwater.  In
that case, I would use a different model. 



 



Regards
=



- jeff















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I found a comprehensive =
parameter
listing for HSPF v11 at http://ww=
w.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf.
I'm curious if there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as =
well.
It would be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on =
what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use =
HSPF12.). The
one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all the parameters =
there
(for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).

 

I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be =
turned
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some =
help in
TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how
the different modules need to be run and calibrated for a =
simulation
(if I want to model nutrients, do I first need to =
calibrate for
hydrology, then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that =
is
finished, I then choose either the QUAL modules or the AGCHEM
one)? If I know that have wet atmospheric deposition, do I also =
need to
take this into consideration from the start?

 

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Unless you are using a non EPA version of HSPF (i.e. USGS, but I doubt
that would be any problem either), I don't think there are any
compatibility problems with version 11 UCI files and version 12 UCI
files.  Version 12 is additive in nature. I can send you the CHM (i.e
user's manual) for you to peruse if you're not wanting to upgrade prior
to seeing it.=20

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there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as well. It would
be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use
HSPF12.). The one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all
the parameters there (for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).
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turned on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found
some help in TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how the
different modules need to be run and calibrated for a simulation (if I
want to model nutrients, do I first need to calibrate for hydrology,
then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that is
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version of
HSPF (i.e. USGS, but I doubt that would be any problem either), I =
don’t
think there are any compatibility problems with version 11 UCI files and
version 12 UCI files.  Version 12 is additive in nature. I can send =
you the CHM
(i.e user’s manual) for you to peruse if you’re not wanting =
to
upgrade prior to seeing it. 



 















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Radahl
[mailto:emma_1982@hotmail.com] 

Sent: Saturday, February =
09, 2008
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I found a comprehensive =
parameter
listing for HSPF v11 at http://ww=
w.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/b3docs/secb.pdf.
I'm curious if there exists a parameter list like this one for HSPF12 as =
well.
It would be greatly appreciated (since I am trying to get an overview on =
what
parameters I will need to know in order to fully be able to use =
HSPF12.). The
one for HSPF v11 is good, but I cannot seem to find all the parameters =
there
(for example, PWAT-PARM 5-7 are missing).

 

I am also curious if there exists a list on what modules need to be =
turned
on/off in order to run certain types of simulations. I've found some =
help in
TecNote3 so far. Also, is there always a set order how
the different modules need to be run and calibrated for a =
simulation
(if I want to model nutrients, do I first need to =
calibrate for
hydrology, then for sediment, water temperature etc - and after all that =
is
finished, I then choose either the QUAL modules or the AGCHEM =
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Subject: write weather generator error

Hi there,
I am running SWAT through BASINS. When I tried to write the weather
generator data, an error occur saying " attempt to access data out of
range 16". I checked the "txtinout" folder, the .wgn file was missing
for one of my subbasin ( the one with largest subbasin id). Can you
please help me trouble-shoot the problem. Thanks.

Xuyang

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Subject: USGS Gage Daily Values Data Failed When Conversion to WDM Problem 
Corrected with a New Script

A minor change in the USGS Daily Values gage data downloaded from the
Data Download Tool in BASINS, made the script that converts the data
into a WDM files format fail. Therefore a new "USGSdvBASINSdownload"
script was created to replace the existing script. Please see the first
question under BASINS General Questions on the web page at
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is linked to ArcGIS so that the delineations etc can be performed in the Ar=
cGIS?

What is the difference between running ArcSwat and running SWAT from BASINS=
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uture, what is the difference between "SWAT" and "ArcSwat"? Is it simply th=
at ArcSwat is linked to ArcGIS so that the delineations etc can be performe=
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We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of them with same sets of
parameters with same flags raised on. But few of them faced several
errors and run could not be completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal
Error:Overflow - occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit.=20
In .ech file it pointed out:
************************************************************************
************

* *

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *

* *

* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *

* *

* RCHRES: 11 *

* *

* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is *

* negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 F). *

* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *

* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *

* *

* Relevant values are : *

* *

* SATDO TW *

* -2.992E+00 73.06 *

* *

************************************************************************
************

=20
So I checked the climate data and did not find any higher temp.I also
checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags
then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is
highly appreciated! Thanks
=20
=20
Mustafa Rahim
Center For Watershed Science
Illinois State Water Survey
Champaign, IL
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We =
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parameters with same=20
flags raised on. But few of them faced several errors and run could =
not be=20
completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal =
Error:Overflow -=20
occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit. =



In =
.ech file it=20
pointed out:




**********************************************************************=
**************


* *


* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *


* *


* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *


* *


* RCHRES: 11 *


* *


* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is =
*


* negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 =
F). *


* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input =
*


* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *


* *


* Relevant values are : *


* *


* SATDO TW *


* -2.992E+00 73.06 *


* *


**********************************************************************=
**************


 


So I checked the climate data =
and did not=20
find any higher temp.I also checked the mass link for multiple=20
IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags then it worked, but I =
have to=20
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Thanks


 


 


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Center =
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Illinois State Water=20
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Champaign,=20
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Subject: Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID:   347   1 Heat or 
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Based on the error message, HSPF thinks you do have a water temperature 
above 66 degrees Celsius.  More specifically, according to the message 
HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees on July 31, 2000 for 
time series TW.  From the message, it looks like you have input this time 
series and that it is not being computed using GATMP for air temperature. 
Perhaps your temperature series is in Fahrenheit and you have told HSPF it 
is Celsius?

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Hello guys, 
We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of them with same sets of parameters 
with same flags raised on. But few of them faced several errors and run 
could not be completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal Error:Overflow - 
occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit. 
In .ech file it pointed out:
********************************************************************************
****
* *
* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *
* *
* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *
* *
* RCHRES: 11 *
* *
* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is *
* negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 F). *
* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *
* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *
* *
* Relevant values are : *
* *
* SATDO TW *
* -2.992E+00 73.06 *
* *
********************************************************************************
****
 
So I checked the climate data and did not find any higher temp.I also 
checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags 
then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is 
highly appreciated! Thanks
 
 
Mustafa Rahim
Center For Watershed Science
Illinois State Water Survey
Champaign, IL
 
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Based on the error message, HSPF thinks
you do have a water temperature above 66 degrees Celsius.  More 
specifically,
according to the message HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees
on July 31, 2000 for time series TW.  From the message, it looks like
you have input this time series and that it is not being computed using
GATMP for air temperature.  Perhaps your temperature series is in
Fahrenheit and you have told HSPF it is Celsius?



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Hello guys, 

We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of
them with same sets of parameters with same flags raised on. But few of
them faced several errors and run could not be completed. One of the error
is HSPF Fatal Error:Overflow - occurred while running the model
through WinHSPFLit. 

In .ech file it pointed out:

*******************************************************************
*****************

* *

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *

* *

* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *

* *

* RCHRES: 11 *

* *

* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen
concentration (SATDO) is *

* negative. This occurs when the water temperature
above 66 C (150 F). *

* In most cases, this indicates an error in
the time series input *

* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off).
*

* *

* Relevant values are : *

* *

* SATDO TW *

* -2.992E+00 73.06 *

* *

*******************************************************************
*****************

 

So I checked the climate data and did not
find any higher temp.I also checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT
when I turned off OX flags then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX
flags. Any suggestion is highly appreciated! Thanks

 

 

Mustafa Rahim

Center For Watershed Science

Illinois State Water Survey

Champaign, IL

 

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Thanks Kate, But Model was run in English unit and all of the inputs are
in English unit. So HSPF should treat temp in Fahrenheit. When I turned
off OX Flags then it works! But if I turned on  OX flag then problem
happens, WINHSPFLt shutdown showing Fatal Error: Overflow. May be its
not simply a problem reading temp from input series. Fatal
Error:Overflow may be the problem that shutdown model run.
Any idea! I have sent back error msg. several times through HSPF
automatic feedback!=20
=20
Mustafa Rahim=20
Center For Watershed Science=20
Illinois State Water Survey=20
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Based on the error message, HSPF thinks you do have a water temperature
above 66 degrees Celsius.  More specifically, according to the message
HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees on July 31, 2000
for time series TW.  From the message, it looks like you have input this
time series and that it is not being computed using GATMP for air
temperature.  Perhaps your temperature series is in Fahrenheit and you
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We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of them with same sets of
parameters with same flags raised on. But few of them faced several
errors and run could not be completed. One of the error is HSPF Fatal
Error:Overflow - occurred while running the model through WinHSPFLit.=20
In .ech file it pointed out:=20

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************=20

* *=20

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *=20

* *=20

* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *=20

* *=20

* RCHRES: 11 *=20

* *=20

* The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is *=20

* negative. This occurs when the water temperature above 66 C (150 F). *


* In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *=20

* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *=20

* *=20

* Relevant values are : *=20

* *=20

* SATDO TW *=20

* -2.992E+00 73.06 *=20

* *=20

************************************************************************
************=20


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then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is
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the=20
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times through=20
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Mustafa Rahim =

Center For Watershed Science 
Illinois State=20
Water Survey 
Champaign, =
IL =



 








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computed=20
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is in=20
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****************************************************************=
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* *=20

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 *=20

* *=20

* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *=20

* *=20

* RCHRES: 11 *=20

* *=20

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* negative. This occurs when the water =
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* In most cases, this indicates an error =
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* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is =
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*=20

* *=20

* Relevant values are : *=20

* *=20

* SATDO TW *=20

* -2.992E+00 73.06 *=20

* *=20

****************************************************************=
********************=20


 
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multiple=20
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on the=20
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X-Message-Number: 29
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:02:49 -0800
From: Brian Bicknell 
Subject: Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID: 347   1 Heat or 
DO?




  


Mustafa,



You could have an artifact in the flow calculations for this RCHRES
(related to the FTABLE) that is causing an instability in the advection
of heat. This sometimes causes high temperatures that occur for a
single time interval. If you look at the simulated temperature values
at short intervals, you might see occasional spikes that are caused by
this instability.  Try to increase the value of KS for the affected
RCHRES in the HYDR-PARM2 table. If it is currently zero, try increasing
it to 0.3-0.4. That might take care of the problem.



-Brian Bicknell

AQUA TERRA Consultants



Rahim, Mustafa wrote:


  
  
  
Thanks Kate, But Model was run
in English unit and all of the inputs are in English unit. So HSPF
should treat temp in Fahrenheit. When I turned off OX Flags then it
works! But if I turned on  OX flag then problem happens, WINHSPFLt
shutdown showing Fatal Error: Overflow. May be its not simply a problem
reading temp from input series. Fatal Error:Overflow may be the problem
that shutdown model run.

  
Any idea! I have sent back error
msg. several times through HSPF  automatic feedback! 

  
 

  
Mustafa
Rahim
  

  Center For Watershed 
Science 

  Illinois State Water 
Survey 

  Champaign, IL 

  

  
 

  

  

  
From:
Kate Flynn [mailto:kmflynn@usgs.gov] 

  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:16 PM

  To: Private list for BASINS users

  Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and
ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?

  

  

  

  Based on the error message, HSPF
thinks you do have a water temperature above 66 degrees Celsius.  More
specifically, according to the message HSPF is finding a water
temperature of 73.06 degrees on July 31, 2000 for time series TW.  From
the message, it looks like you have input this time series and that it
is not being computed using GATMP for air temperature.  Perhaps your
temperature series is in Fahrenheit and you have told HSPF it is
Celsius? 

  

   Kate 

  

  

  

  

    
      

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  Hello guys, 

  We have 31 watersheds, and we ran all of
them with same sets of parameters with same flags raised on. But few of
them faced several errors and run could not be completed. One of the
error is HSPF Fatal Error:Overflow - occurred while running the
model through WinHSPFLit. 

  In .ech file it pointed out:
  
***********************************************************************
*************
  

  
* * 

  
* ERROR/WARNING ID: 347 1 * 

  
* * 

  
* DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *
  

  
* * 

  
* RCHRES: 11 * 

  
* * 

  
* The calculated saturation dissolved
oxygen concentration (SATDO) is * 

  
* negative. This occurs when the water
temperature above 66 C (150 F). * 

  
* In most cases, this indicates an
error in the time series input * 

  
* (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH
is off). * 

  
* * 

  
* Relevant values are : * 

  
* * 

  
* SATDO TW * 

  
* -2.992E+00 73.06 * 

  
* * 

  
***********************************************************************
*************
  

  
 

  So I checked the climate data and did not
find any higher temp.I also checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT.
BUT when I turned off OX flags then it worked, but I have to turn on
the OX flags. Any suggestion is highly appreciated! Thanks 

    

    

  Mustafa Rahim 

  Center For Watershed Science 

  Illinois State Water Survey 

  Champaign, IL 

    

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X-Message-Number: 30
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:43:30 +0100
From: Hong Quan Nguyen 
Subject: Hourly nutrient simulation!

Dear All,

I am trying to run HSPF for nutrient transport at hourly time step but  
I could not manage (though it work properly if I run at daily time step)

I would preciate very much if someone could help me!

Best regards,
Hong-Quan NGUYEN



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X-Message-Number: 31
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:26:06 -0500
From: "Jon Butcher" 
Subject: Re: HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING ID:   347   1 Heat or 
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The error message is due to the high temperature and its effect on =
calculation of saturation DO.  This situation can arise for several =
other reasons than those cited.  One is instability in the advection =
scheme that results in anomalous heat loads - particularly when the =
volume in a reach is low.  Try setting a lower value of KS in ADCALC, =
which controls the weighting between outflow demand at the start and end =
of the interval.  The BASINS default of 0.5 (equal weighting) is more =
accurate, but 0 is unconditionally stable.   Also check that the problem =
is not due to the reach becoming very shallow.  You can also try using a =
shorter time step.

Jon Butcher
Tetra Tech
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rahim, Mustafa=20
  To: Private list for BASINS users=20
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING =
ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?


  Thanks Kate, But Model was run in English unit and all of the inputs =
are in English unit. So HSPF should treat temp in Fahrenheit. When I =
turned off OX Flags then it works! But if I turned on  OX flag then =
problem happens, WINHSPFLt shutdown showing Fatal Error: Overflow. May =
be its not simply a problem reading temp from input series. Fatal =
Error:Overflow may be the problem that shutdown model run.
  Any idea! I have sent back error msg. several times through HSPF  =
automatic feedback!=20

  Mustafa Rahim=20
  Center For Watershed Science=20
  Illinois State Water Survey=20
  Champaign, IL=20



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  From: Kate Flynn [mailto:kmflynn@usgs.gov]=20
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:16 PM
  To: Private list for BASINS users
  Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] HSPF Fatal Error: Overflow and ERROR/WARNING =
ID: 347 1 Heat or DO?



  Based on the error message, HSPF thinks you do have a water =
temperature above 66 degrees Celsius.  More specifically, according to =
the message HSPF is finding a water temperature of 73.06 degrees on July =
31, 2000 for time series TW.  From the message, it looks like you have =
input this time series and that it is not being computed using GATMP for =
air temperature.  Perhaps your temperature series is in Fahrenheit and =
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  * DATE/TIME: 2000/ 7/31 21: 0 *=20

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  * RCHRES: 11 *=20

  * *=20

  * The calculated saturation dissolved oxygen concentration (SATDO) is =
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  * In most cases, this indicates an error in the time series input *=20

  * (GATMP if HTRCH is on, TW if HTRCH is off). *=20

  * *=20

  * Relevant values are : *=20

  * *=20

  * SATDO TW *=20

  * -2.992E+00 73.06 *=20

  * *=20

  =
*************************************************************************=
***********=20


  So I checked the climate data and did not find any higher temp.I also =
checked the mass link for multiple IHEAT. BUT when I turned off OX flags =
then it worked, but I have to turn on the OX flags. Any suggestion is =
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Thanks Kate, But Model was run in English =
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Mustafa =
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Center For Watershed Science 
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Champaign,=20
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* Relevant values are : *=20
  
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****************************************************************=
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So I checked =
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X-Message-Number: 32
X-lyris-Id: 166701
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:15:23 -0500 (EST)
From: plapal1@umbc.edu
Subject: Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a 2004HSPF project

I am trying to recreate and edit a model used in a 2004 water quality
report created using HSPF. I have several .inp files which I believe
represent data for several sections of the watershed - I also have a .wdm
and a wdm.txt file. The .inp files contain code (opened through notepad)
that is similar to the contents of a .uci, created by BASINS. Only one of
the .inp files is relevant to the watershed I am interested in.

I have created a new BASINS project for the gunpowder watershed, which
encompasses everything covered by the '04 report (including the Gwynns
Falls - my interest). After saving this basic project, a .uci was created.
I copied the code from the 2004 .inp file and pasted it over the .uci for
my new BASINS project. It's hard to tell if BASINS assimilated all of the
relevant data, however. Could there be a problem caused by taking a .uci
and replacing all of its code with code that may only be relevant to a
small section of the overall watershed?

Also - when launching WinHSPF from my BASINS project, everything seems to
work normally. I had to fill out an Initial Met Segment with some
constituents and DSNs (HSPF was able to find them on its own, as many of
the constituents had only one dropdown-menu choice). After completing this
table I saved the project and closed. Whenever I try to reopen it winHSPF
gives me an error from the Hspf Engine:
?Type Mismatch ReceiveMessage(ACTIVATE gf feb25 -1)."
gf feb25 is the name of the HSPF project.

If I open WinHSPF through BASINS and save without closing it, a layout of
the RCHRES in the watershed appears - so I launched GenScn to see if I
could recreate any of the output included in the 2004 report. However,
whenever I add Time Series to the list, a message shows that none of the
TS have any data.

Sorry for the long questions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

- Peter




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X-Message-Number: 33
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:15:51 -0500
From: Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com
Subject: setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF

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Is there a way to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as=

opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

Liz Scheessele
Project Engineer
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Peter,

First of all, don't worry about .inp or .uci - the old DOS HSPF has no
assumed file extension.
The convention shifted from .inp to .uci beginning in the 1990s, and by
the time that WinHspf
was developed, the feeling was that the .uci extension was superior, as
it more clearly set apart
the files as HSPF inputs, whereas .inp seemed too generic.  You should
be able to simply rename
the old file and open it in WinHspf.

You probably cannot simply copy just the input tables, for example, from
the old to the new input=20
file because the segmentation, land uses, numbering scheme and such will
almost certainly differ=20
from the one you built with BASINS.  But it is easy to tell how well the
resulting file is being=20
"assimilated" by reading the MESSU file (typically with .ech extension).
This file "echoes" what=20
is being read for each operation.

If you can use the old file as is, then you should have no problems.
Running a subset is also easy,
as all you have to do is remove (or comment out) the unneeded operations
in OPN SEQUENCE.
If you need to update the segmentation, land use classification, etc,
however, you will have to
go through table by table and manually adapt the old parameters to your
new scheme.

Hope this helps,

Tom Jobes
St Johns River Water Management District
tjobes@sjrwmd.com
W: 386-328-4463
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I am trying to recreate and edit a model used in a 2004 water quality
report created using HSPF. I have several .inp files which I believe
represent data for several sections of the watershed - I also have a
.wdm
and a wdm.txt file. The .inp files contain code (opened through notepad)
that is similar to the contents of a .uci, created by BASINS. Only one
of
the .inp files is relevant to the watershed I am interested in.

I have created a new BASINS project for the gunpowder watershed, which
encompasses everything covered by the '04 report (including the Gwynns
Falls - my interest). After saving this basic project, a .uci was
created.
I copied the code from the 2004 .inp file and pasted it over the .uci
for
my new BASINS project. It's hard to tell if BASINS assimilated all of
the
relevant data, however. Could there be a problem caused by taking a .uci
and replacing all of its code with code that may only be relevant to a
small section of the overall watershed?

Also - when launching WinHSPF from my BASINS project, everything seems
to
work normally. I had to fill out an Initial Met Segment with some
constituents and DSNs (HSPF was able to find them on its own, as many of
the constituents had only one dropdown-menu choice). After completing
this
table I saved the project and closed. Whenever I try to reopen it
winHSPF
gives me an error from the Hspf Engine:
?Type Mismatch ReceiveMessage(ACTIVATE gf feb25 -1)."
gf feb25 is the name of the HSPF project.

If I open WinHSPF through BASINS and save without closing it, a layout
of
the RCHRES in the watershed appears - so I launched GenScn to see if I
could recreate any of the output included in the 2004 report. However,
whenever I add Time Series to the list, a message shows that none of the
TS have any data.

Sorry for the long questions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

- Peter



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How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

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How exactly do you mean “background =
concentration”?  You cannot establish
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a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must =
maintain a
mass balance.  You could assign a concentration



to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL =
compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc



in the water column – is this the kind of thing you =
mean?



 






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One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using
Ext Sources.

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PBS&J

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establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

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Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

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Because a point source is input in mass units, this will not work
directly, assuming flow is not constant.  You

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the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is essentially a
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PBS&J

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How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

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St Johns River Water Management District

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W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

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Because a point source is input in mass units, this will =
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could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the =
desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in



the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is =
essentially
a more complicated way to do the same 



thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.



 






Tom
Jobes



St
Johns River Water Management District



tjobes@sjrwmd.com



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One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
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Ext
Sources.



 



Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ



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How exactly do you mean “background =
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cannot establish either a constant concentration or



a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must =
maintain a
mass balance.  You could assign a concentration



to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL =
compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc



in the water column – is this the kind of thing you =
mean?



 






Tom
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St
Johns River Water Management District



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386-328-4463



C:
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Liz



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Thank you very much. I will try it out on Monday.

> Peter,
>
> First of all, don't worry about .inp or .uci - the old DOS HSPF has no
> assumed file extension.
> The convention shifted from .inp to .uci beginning in the 1990s, and by
> the time that WinHspf
> was developed, the feeling was that the .uci extension was superior, as
> it more clearly set apart
> the files as HSPF inputs, whereas .inp seemed too generic.  You should
> be able to simply rename
> the old file and open it in WinHspf.
>
> You probably cannot simply copy just the input tables, for example, from
> the old to the new input
> file because the segmentation, land uses, numbering scheme and such will
> almost certainly differ
> from the one you built with BASINS.  But it is easy to tell how well the
> resulting file is being
> "assimilated" by reading the MESSU file (typically with .ech extension).
> This file "echoes" what
> is being read for each operation.
>
> If you can use the old file as is, then you should have no problems.
> Running a subset is also easy,
> as all you have to do is remove (or comment out) the unneeded operations
> in OPN SEQUENCE.
> If you need to update the segmentation, land use classification, etc,
> however, you will have to
> go through table by table and manually adapt the old parameters to your
> new scheme.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Tom Jobes
> St Johns River Water Management District
> tjobes@sjrwmd.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: plapal1@umbc.edu [mailto:plapal1@umbc.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:15 PM
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> Subject: [basinsinfo] Creating a BASINS4.0 and HSPF project from a
> 2004HSPF project
>
> I am trying to recreate and edit a model used in a 2004 water quality
> report created using HSPF. I have several .inp files which I believe
> represent data for several sections of the watershed - I also have a
> .wdm
> and a wdm.txt file. The .inp files contain code (opened through notepad)
> that is similar to the contents of a .uci, created by BASINS. Only one
> of
> the .inp files is relevant to the watershed I am interested in.
>
> I have created a new BASINS project for the gunpowder watershed, which
> encompasses everything covered by the '04 report (including the Gwynns
> Falls - my interest). After saving this basic project, a .uci was
> created.
> I copied the code from the 2004 .inp file and pasted it over the .uci
> for
> my new BASINS project. It's hard to tell if BASINS assimilated all of
> the
> relevant data, however. Could there be a problem caused by taking a .uci
> and replacing all of its code with code that may only be relevant to a
> small section of the overall watershed?
>
> Also - when launching WinHSPF from my BASINS project, everything seems
> to
> work normally. I had to fill out an Initial Met Segment with some
> constituents and DSNs (HSPF was able to find them on its own, as many of
> the constituents had only one dropdown-menu choice). After completing
> this
> table I saved the project and closed. Whenever I try to reopen it
> winHSPF
> gives me an error from the Hspf Engine:
> ?Type Mismatch ReceiveMessage(ACTIVATE gf feb25 -1)."
> gf feb25 is the name of the HSPF project.
>
> If I open WinHSPF through BASINS and save without closing it, a layout
> of
> the RCHRES in the watershed appears - so I launched GenScn to see if I
> could recreate any of the output included in the 2004 report. However,
> whenever I add Time Series to the list, a message shows that none of the
> TS have any data.
>
> Sorry for the long questions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> - Peter
>
>
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Good point. =20

=20

It really depends on what "background concentration" Liz is trying to
handle.  I assume it in general is a constant loading from non-runoff
related sources, so having a timeseries in WDM can easily bring it into
the model (you're right about the mass versus concentration though).
Using the multiplier in mass-link is an easier way but the numbers are
limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for some constituents such
as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.  Using E format could
fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the data ended up
suffering.  We have encountered this problem before so we decided to go
with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever
numbers we need to put in. =20

=20

Thanks.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

Because a point source is input in mass units, this will not work
directly, assuming flow is not constant.  You

could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in

the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is essentially a
more complicated way to do the same=20

thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Su, Yu-Chun [mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:55 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using
Ext Sources.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:16 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in
HSPF

=20

Is there a way to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as
opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

Liz Scheessele
Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
Virginia Beach, VA 23452
757-499-4224 ext. 1266

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It really depends on what =
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general is a
constant loading from non-runoff related sources, so having a timeseries =
in WDM
can easily bring it into the model (you’re right about the mass =
versus
concentration though).  Using the multiplier in mass-link is an =
easier way
but the numbers are limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for =
some
constituents such as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.  =
Using E
format could fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the =
data
ended up suffering.  We have encountered this problem before so we =
decided
to go with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever =
numbers
we need to put in.  



 



Thanks.
=



 



Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, =
CPESC, CPSWQ



PBS&J


 















From: Tom =
Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] 

Sent: Thursday, February =
28, 2008
1:18 PM

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HSPF






 



Because a =
point
source is input in mass units, this will not work directly, assuming =
flow is
not constant.  You



could =
post-process
the flow, multiply it out by the desired concentration to compute mass =
and
store it in



the WDM to =
be used
as a point source load, but this is essentially a more complicated way =
to do
the same 



thing as =
using a
multiplier in the MASS-LINK.



 






Tom =
Jobes



St Johns =
River Water
Management District



tjobes@sjrwm=
d.com



W: =
386-328-4463



C: =
386-937-6341






 









From: Su, =
Yu-Chun
[mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com] 

Sent: Thursday, February =
28, 2008
9:55 AM

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One other way might be to set up a =
timeseries
with constant concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the =
right
spot using Ext Sources.



 



Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, =
CPESC, CPSWQ



PBS&J


 















From: Tom =
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[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] 

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How exactly =
do you
mean “background concentration”?  You cannot establish =
either
a constant concentration or



a baseflow
concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass balance.  =
You could
assign a concentration



to runoff =
in the
MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the resulting advection,
transformations, etc



in the =
water column
– is this the kind of thing you mean?



 






Tom =
Jobes



St Johns =
River Water
Management District



tjobes@sjrwm=
d.com



W: =
386-328-4463



C: =
386-937-6341






 









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Sent: Wednesday, February =
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Is there a way to set a background =
concentration of a
GQUAL in HSPF (as opposed to setting only an initial concentration, =
DQAL)?

Thanks

Liz



Liz Scheessele

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For constant load, the timeseries option will work well, yes, but the
original poster was looking at constant background concentration, not=20

load.  The 10 spaces for the multiplier gives 5-7 significant digits,
depending on sign and size of exponent -  I've never felt the need for
more=20

than that, given the much greater uncertainty in other parts of the
modeling process.

=20

As I discussed offline with the original poster, another useful way to
do this is to use PQUAL to generate the loadings, with the baseflow=20

concentration AOQC (constant or monthly) providing the background.
PQUAL will then report the mass balance for you, plus give you

options on generating the storm loadings.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Su, Yu-Chun [mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

Good point. =20

=20

It really depends on what "background concentration" Liz is trying to
handle.  I assume it in general is a constant loading from non-runoff
related sources, so having a timeseries in WDM can easily bring it into
the model (you're right about the mass versus concentration though).
Using the multiplier in mass-link is an easier way but the numbers are
limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for some constituents such
as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.  Using E format could
fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the data ended up
suffering.  We have encountered this problem before so we decided to go
with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever
numbers we need to put in. =20

=20

Thanks.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

Because a point source is input in mass units, this will not work
directly, assuming flow is not constant.  You

could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in

the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is essentially a
more complicated way to do the same=20

thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Su, Yu-Chun [mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:55 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using
Ext Sources.

=20

Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ

PBS&J

=20

________________________________

From: Tom Jobes [mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL
in HSPF

=20

How exactly do you mean "background concentration"?  You cannot
establish either a constant concentration or

a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must maintain a mass
balance.  You could assign a concentration

to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc

in the water column - is this the kind of thing you mean?

=20

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-328-4463

C: 386-937-6341

=20

From: Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com [mailto:Liz_Scheessele@URSCorp.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:16 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a GQUAL in
HSPF

=20

Is there a way to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as
opposed to setting only an initial concentration, DQAL)?
Thanks
Liz

Liz Scheessele
Project Engineer
URS Corporation
277 Bendix Rd. Suite 500
Virginia Beach, VA 23452
757-499-4224 ext. 1266

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For constant load, the timeseries option will work well, =
yes,
but the original poster was looking at constant background =
concentration, not 



load.  The 10 spaces for the multiplier gives 5-7
significant digits, depending on sign and size of exponent -  =
I’ve
never felt the need for more 



than that, given the much greater uncertainty in other =
parts of the
modeling process.



 



As I discussed offline with the original poster, another =
useful way
to do this is to use PQUAL to generate the loadings, with the baseflow =




concentration AOQC (constant or monthly) providing the
background.  PQUAL will then report the mass balance for you, plus =
give you



options on generating the storm loadings.



 






Tom
Jobes



St
Johns River Water Management District



tjobes@sjrwmd.com



W:
386-328-4463



C:
386-937-6341






 









From:=
 =
Su, Yu-Chun
[mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com] 

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:04 PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF









 



Good point.  



 



It really depends on what “background =
concentration”
Liz is trying to handle.  I assume it in general is a constant =
loading
from non-runoff related sources, so having a timeseries in WDM can =
easily bring
it into the model (you’re right about the mass versus =
concentration
though).  Using the multiplier in mass-link is an easier way but =
the
numbers are limited to 10 digits, which may not be enough for some =
constituents
such as bacteria where the numbers can be really big.  Using E =
format
could fit the data into the 10 digits but the resolution of the data =
ended up
suffering.  We have encountered this problem before so we decided =
to go
with the WDM approach to allow us the flexibility to use whatever =
numbers we
need to put in.  



 



Thanks.



 



Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ



PBS&J



 















From:=
 =
Tom Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] 

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:18 PM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF






 



Because a point source is input in mass units, this will =
not
work directly, assuming flow is not constant.  You



could post-process the flow, multiply it out by the =
desired
concentration to compute mass and store it in



the WDM to be used as a point source load, but this is
essentially a more complicated way to do the same 



thing as using a multiplier in the MASS-LINK.



 






Tom
Jobes



St
Johns River Water Management District



tjobes@sjrwmd.com



W:
386-328-4463



C:
386-937-6341






 









From:=
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Su, Yu-Chun
[mailto:YCSu@pbsj.com] 

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:55 AM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF









 



One other way might be to set up a timeseries with constant
concentration in a WDM file, and have it enter into the right spot using =
Ext
Sources.



 



Yu-Chun Su, Ph.D., P.E., CFM, CPESC, CPSWQ



PBS&J



 















From:=
 =
Tom Jobes
[mailto:tjobes@sjrwmd.com] 

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM

To: Private list for BASINS users

Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
GQUAL
in HSPF






 



How exactly do you mean “background
concentration”?  You cannot establish either a constant
concentration or



a baseflow concentration within GQUAL, as it must =
maintain a
mass balance.  You could assign a concentration



to runoff in the MASS-LINK block, and then let GQUAL =
compute the
resulting advection, transformations, etc



in the water column – is this the kind of thing you =
mean?



 






Tom
Jobes



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Subject: [basinsinfo] setting a background concentration of a =
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Is =
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to set a background concentration of a GQUAL in HSPF (as opposed to =
setting
only an initial concentration, DQAL)?

Thanks

Liz



Liz Scheessele

Project Engineer

URS Corporation

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Virginia Beach, VA 23452

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X-Message-Number: 41
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Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:44:32 -0700
From: "Weidner, Kristin" 
Subject: PLOAD: 'Records found without impervious values'

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When running PLOAD in the Simple Method mode, I've received the message
"Records found without impervious values" as files were being outputed
to the ploadout folder. I have double-checked my landuse shapefile,
impervious dbf, etc to ensure that all landuse codes match up. The model
appeared to run regardless, and results were outputted for the model
subwatersheds. Any input as to what might be happening?
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When =
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in the Simple Method mode, I've received the message "Records found =
without=20
impervious values" as files were being outputed to the ploadout folder. =
I have=20
double-checked my landuse shapefile, impervious dbf, etc to ensure that =
all=20
landuse codes match up. The model appeared to run regardless, and =
results were=20
outputted for the model subwatersheds. Any input as to what might be=20
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Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:21:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Mansoor A Baloch 
Subject: Metric Units in BASINS/HSPF

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Hello

I have this question about the units in BASINS and in HSPF. I created a UCI 
file from within BASINS by providing it with a DEM of cell size 100 m. I got my 
UCI file in English units as they usually are by default. I changed the systems 
of units to metric in all the relevant input and output locations in the 
different active blocks of the model. However I was assuming that when I 
changed the units to metric the FTable values should also change into 
equivalent metric values, instead what I found was that changing the unit 
system just changed the labels for different variables from English to 
corresponding metric units like ft to m, acres to Hectares etc. The actual 
values remained the same. I tried it for different numbers of UCI files and it 
remained the same.

I will highly appreciate if somebody can describe the conversion of units 
within BASINS and infact the units in which it estimates different physical 
parameters of the watershed (I assume its English). Furthermore is there a way 
to assign the units with which the project will be working with before starting 
the project itself so that all corresponding parameters are estimated in one 
unit system and the UCI file also initiates with the systems of units assigned 
in the BASINS?

Thanks

Mansoor A Baloch

Visiting Graduate Researcher
Geospatial Software Laboratory
Idaho State University, Idaho Falls.


      
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Hello

I have this question about the units in BASINS and in HSPF. I 
created a UCI file from within BASINS by providing it with a DEM of cell size 
100 m. I got my UCI file in English units as they usually are by default. I 
changed the systems of units to metric in all the relevant input and output 
locations in the different active blocks of the model. However I was assuming 
that when I changed the units to metric the FTable values should also change 
into equivalent metric values, instead what I found was that changing the unit 
system just changed the labels for different variables from English to 
corresponding metric units like ft to m, acres to Hectares etc. The actual 
values remained the same. I tried it for different numbers of UCI files and it 
remained the same.

I will highly appreciate if somebody can describe the 
conversion of units within BASINS and infact the units in which it estimates 
different physical parameters of the watershed (I assume its
 English). Furthermore is there a way to assign the units with which the 
project will be working with before starting the project itself so that all 
corresponding parameters are estimated in one unit system and the UCI file also 
initiates with the systems of units assigned in the 
BASINS?

Thanks

Mansoor A Baloch

Visiting Graduate 
Researcher
Geospatial Software Laboratory
Idaho State University, Idaho 
Falls.


  
  
  
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Department of Geological Sciences,
Idaho State University Idaho 
Falls, 83401 ID USA.
 
 

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