Here are the messages between 20080601 and 20080630. 1. Input questions 2. about the sensitive parameters 3. Incorporating Upstream water temp (TW in F) and Error ID 215 118 4. A how to question 5. Re: Landuse Tool 6. Re: A how to question 7. Legend question 8. RE: Legend question 9. Estimating DETS 10. Re: Estimating DETS 11. About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 12. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 13. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 14. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 15. Re: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 16. Non-Point Source Pollutants 17. Re: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 18. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 19. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 20. RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF 21. PLOAD export coefficients 22. Re: PLOAD export coefficients 23. Re: PLOAD export coefficients 24. Re: PLOAD export coefficients 25. A question about soil 26. RE: PLOAD export coefficients 27. Re: PLOAD export coefficients 28. BASINS users in Spain? 29. Re: A question about soil 30. Re: A question about soil 31. Re: A question about soil 32. Monthly Nutrient Loading 33. GenScn output problem 34. Re: GenScn output problem 35. RE: GenScn output problem 36. Basins / WinHSPF in the UK 37. RE: Basins / WinHSPF in the UK 38. Re: Basins / WinHSPF in the UK 39. error message in WinHSPF 40. Re: error message in WinHSPF 41. freezing problems during automatic delineation 42. discrepancy between BASINS and WinHSPF 43. Basins Default / Working Directory 44. Re: Basins Default / Working Directory 45. RE: Point Source File 46. Re: Basins Default / Working Directory 47. Basins4 Custom Stream Network 48. PEST 49. RE: PEST 50. Re: PEST 51. RE: Point Source File 52. flow response and climate variables 53. RE: PEST 54. WASP Workshop, August 25-29, 2008, Atlanta, GA 55. RE: WASP Workshop, August 25-29, 2008, Atlanta, GA ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 1 X-lyris-Id: 170368 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:52:34 -0400 From: "gouljj10" Subject: Input questions If anyone could help me out with these couple of questions I would appreciate it 1.The weather stations input option worked fine when I just loaded the weather station data. But then I tried to add a precipitation reference table and a temperature reference table I got an error message: have to define data projection. What I don't understand is that when reading the directions I thought that it was just looking for a reference table for the data table with a lat. long. coordinate. 2. I am receiving an error message when writing the management data. The error message reads: Missing "Cn2" for hydro. group "". This is occurring at 88% when writing Mgt or at sub basin # 31... If anyone could shed some light on why I am having trouble calculating the management data for this sub basin I would appreciate it. Thanks Joseph ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 2 X-lyris-Id: 170403 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:52:53 +0800 From: "=?gb2312?B?y+/X2sHB?=" Subject: about the sensitive parameters I have a question about the sensitive parameters. During my calibration of HSPF, the most sensitive parameters are LZSN, INFILT, UZSN, INFILT etc.So I want to do some field experiments to measure the key parameters. However, I found there had no exactly the right way to measure them. Maybe I haven't understood what the parameters exactly means, however, I really wanna konw how to measure it in field, for eaample,UZSN, INFILT or someone easy to measure. ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 3 X-lyris-Id: 170493 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:39:41 -0500 From: "Rahim, Mustafa" Subject: Incorporating Upstream water temp (TW in F) and Error ID 215 118 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8C743.E523E359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Incorporating Upstream water temp (TW in F)=20 =20 I have several tributary watersheds ran separately, I need to add TW from those watersheds in to mainstem watershed model from the WDM. In UCI added them as following as mentioned Technical Note 4=20 WDM3 103 TW ENGL DIV RCHRES 18 INFLOW IHEAT =20 =20 Then I got the following error message=20 ************************************************************************ ************ * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 215 118 * * * * The source/target transformation function, specified in the following * * entry which appeared in the ext sources, network or ext targets * * blocks, is invalid: * * * * Transf Stkind Case | Opn-ID Grp-Name Member-ID * * Function | Source: WDM3 , 103 TW 31 3 * * DIV 2 1 | Target: RCHRES, 18 INFLOW IHEAT 1 1 * * * =20 ************************************************************************ ************ Souldn't I use SAME instead DIV? Thanks =20 Mustafa Rahim =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8C743.E523E359 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Incorporating Upstream water temp (TW in F)

 

I have several tributary watersheds ran separately, I need to = add TW from=20 those watersheds in to mainstem watershed model from the WDM. In UCI = added them=20 as following as mentioned Technical Note 4

WDM3   103 TW       = ENGL  DIV  RCHRES  18     INFLOW = IHEAT  

 

Then I got the following error message

*******************************************************************= *****************

 *           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;        =20 *

 * =20 ERROR/WARNING ID:   = 215=20 118           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;    =20 *

 *           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;        =20 *

 * =20 The source/target transformation function, specified in the=20 following          =20 *

 * =20 entry which appeared in the ext sources, network or ext = targets           &n= bsp;  =20   *

 * =20 blocks, is invalid:           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            = =20 *

 *           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;        =20 *

 *    Transf  Stkind   Case  |           =20 Opn-ID    =20 Grp-Name   =20 Member-ID     =20     *

 * =20 Function           &n= bsp;    =20 |  Source: = WDM3  , =20 103          =20 TW       =20 31    = 3    = *

 *    DIV         =20 2      = 1  |  Target: RCHRES,   18   INFLOW  IHEAT      1    1    = *

 *           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;  =20       *

 *******************************************************= *****************************

Souldn’t I use SAME instead DIV? = Thanks

 
Mustafa Rahim
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C8C743.E523E359-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 4 X-lyris-Id: 170534 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:53:30 -0500 From: "Jay D. Davis" Subject: A how to question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8C7C3.8E9F3DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First off, I sent this to Dan Ames at his email, so please forgive me Dan, but I thought you might be on a 9-month appointment and off to Siberia on a Polar Bear expedition of something, so I figured I could toss it out to the masses here. The question is: How do I import an ArcGis project into BASINS/MapWindowGis? Thanks folks Carpe Diem jd Jay D. Davis, BS,MA Research Specialist in Agriculture Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644 1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue Urbana, Illinois 61801 E: jdd@illinois.edu (217) 333-7956 (voice mail) (217) 244-0323 (fax) SOIL....a clean four-letter word |> | | __________ GOLF....a second one ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8C7C3.8E9F3DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First off, I sent this to Dan Ames at his email, so = please forgive me Dan, but I thought you might be on a 9-month appointment and = off to Siberia on a Polar Bear expedition of something, = so I figured I could toss it out to the masses = here.

 

The question is:     How do I = import an ArcGis project into BASINS/MapWindowGis?

 

Thanks folks

Carpe Diem

 

jd

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in = Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological = Engineering

University of Illinois = Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 = West Pennsylvania = Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu<= /o:p>

(217) 333-7956 (voice = mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

SOIL....a clean four-letter = word

 

         = |>

         = |

         = |

__________ GOLF....a second = one 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8C7C3.8E9F3DD0-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 5 X-lyris-Id: 170536 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:47:03 -0400 From: James Taylor Subject: Re: Landuse Tool This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090904010901080105090809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since many of you monitor and model this information, I would love to hear from you if you do... I am looking for data regarding coliform bacteria in waterways. Is anyone looking at the significant sources of coliform bacteria and what other events/nutrients ( temperature, phosphorus, etc.) might better predict continued support for higher and/or lower levels of coliform bacteria in waters? Impervious surface is matched with coliform levels in many studies, but some studies look at nutrients (phosphorus,etc.) or temperature as a required component. Anyone have any data they are modeling in BASINS regarding total coliform, its source, and other data? Thanks, James Emma Radahl wrote: > When trying to use a landuse layer other than the downloadable GIRAS > layer, how does one really change the categories for the land use > (group several landuse types together for example) when using the > landuse layer to start up HSPF from BASINS? > It is written that the user can define the categories, but I have been > unable to do so. It always seems to want to use the GIRAS classes. > What do I need in order to be able to divide the land use categories > the way I want them to be in HSPF? Any help is greatly appreciated. > > /Emma Radahl > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 9:51 AM > --------------090904010901080105090809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since many of you monitor and model this information, I would love to hear from you if you do...

I am looking for data regarding coliform bacteria in waterways.  Is anyone looking at the significant sources of coliform bacteria and what other events/nutrients ( temperature, phosphorus, etc.) might better predict continued support for higher and/or lower levels of coliform bacteria in waters?

Impervious surface is matched with coliform levels in many studies, but some studies look at nutrients (phosphorus,etc.)  or temperature as a required component.  Anyone have any data they are modeling in BASINS regarding total coliform, its source, and other data?

Thanks,

James

Emma Radahl wrote:
When trying to use a landuse layer other than the downloadable GIRAS layer, how does one really change the categories for the land use (group several landuse types together for example) when using the landuse layer to start up HSPF from BASINS?
It is written that the user can define the categories, but I have been unable to do so. It always seems to want to use the GIRAS classes. What do I need in order to be able to divide the land use categories the way I want them to be in  HSPF? Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
/Emma Radahl

 
 

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--------------090904010901080105090809-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 6 X-lyris-Id: 170543 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:01:24 -0600 From: "Daniel Ames" Subject: Re: A how to question ------=_Part_10131_4212264.1212865284259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all. Unfortunately there is not a direct way to open an ArcGIS project in BASINS. However, that would be a great plug-in someone could write. Until such time, the approach is to simply add your layers to BASINS directly and to set up the symbology and save the project within BASINS. Hope this helps. - Dan On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Jay D. Davis wrote: > First off, I sent this to Dan Ames at his email, so please forgive me > Dan, but I thought you might be on a 9-month appointment and off to Siberia > on a Polar Bear expedition of something, so I figured I could toss it out to > the masses here. > > > > The question is: How do I import an ArcGis project into > BASINS/MapWindowGis? > > > > Thanks folks > > Carpe Diem > > > > jd > > > > Jay D. Davis, BS,MA > > Research Specialist in Agriculture > > Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign > > 232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644 > > 1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue > > Urbana, Illinois 61801 > > E: jdd@illinois.edu > > (217) 333-7956 (voice mail) > > (217) 244-0323 (fax) > > > > SOIL....a clean four-letter word > > > > |> > > | > > | > > __________ GOLF....a second one > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > -- Daniel P. Ames, PhD, PE Geospatial Software Lab Department of Geosciences Idaho State University - Idaho Falls amesdani@isu.edu www.hydromap.com ------=_Part_10131_4212264.1212865284259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all. Unfortunately there is not a direct way to open an ArcGIS project in BASINS. However, that would be a great plug-in someone could write.  Until such time, the approach is to simply add your layers to BASINS directly and to set up the symbology and save the project within BASINS. Hope this helps.  - Dan

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Jay D. Davis <jdd@uiuc.edu> wrote:

First off, I sent this to Dan Ames at his email, so please forgive me Dan, but I thought you might be on a 9-month appointment and off to Siberia on a Polar Bear expedition of something, so I figured I could toss it out to the masses here.

 

The question is:     How do I import an ArcGis project into BASINS/MapWindowGis?

 

Thanks folks

Carpe Diem

 

jd

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu

(217) 333-7956 (voice mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

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------=_Part_10131_4212264.1212865284259-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 7 X-lyris-Id: 170564 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:05:40 -0500 From: "Jay D. Davis" Subject: Legend question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8CA42.48169170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Monday BASINners I have some images that I want to load into my project. I have downloaded a watershed and the legend seems to sort and associate data layers into somewhat functional groups. I have "hydrology", "observed data stations", "point sources & withdrawls", "political", "transportation", and "soil land use/cover". Now, I guess I have more than a single question; 1. There seems to be some thematic connections, i.e. I can either toggle the entire group or individual layers within the group. Correct? 2. If I add a shape file, it seems to need a "sponsoring" theme grouping. If I have, say "political" highlighted and add doqs, they appear under "political". 3. I think I want to add a theme grouping "images" to the legend for my images. Is that doable? If so, what tool does that? This is an interesting bull to ride. You guys have done great work. jd Jay D. Davis, BS,MA Research Specialist in Agriculture Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644 1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue Urbana, Illinois 61801 E: jdd@illinois.edu (217) 333-7956 (voice mail) (217) 244-0323 (fax) SOIL....a clean four-letter word |> | | __________ GOLF....a second one ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8CA42.48169170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Happy Monday BASINners

 

I have some images that I want to load into my project.  I have downloaded a watershed and the legend seems to = sort and associate data layers into somewhat functional groups.  I have = “hydrology”, “observed data stations”, “point sources & = withdrawls”, “political”, “transportation”, and “soil = land use/cover”.  Now, I guess I have more than a single = question;

 

  1. There seems to be some = thematic connections, i.e. I can either toggle the entire group or = individual layers within the group.  = Correct?
  2. If I add a shape file, = it seems to need a “sponsoring” theme grouping.  If I have, = say “political” highlighted and add doqs, they appear under = “political”.
  3. I think I want to add = a theme grouping “images” to the legend for my images.  Is = that doable?  If so, what tool does = that?

 

This is an interesting bull to = ride.

You guys have done great = work.

 

jd  

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in = Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological = Engineering

University of Illinois = Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 = West Pennsylvania = Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu<= /o:p>

(217) 333-7956 (voice = mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

SOIL....a clean four-letter = word

 

         = |>

         = |

         = |

__________ GOLF....a second = one 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8CA42.48169170-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 8 X-lyris-Id: 170565 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:14:48 -0500 From: "Jay D. Davis" Subject: RE: Legend question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C8CA43.8E8F6180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found it..the "add group" button. Hey guys the best place to hide something from me is directly in front of my face. This is a forehead-slapper. jd _____ From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:06 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] Legend question Happy Monday BASINners I have some images that I want to load into my project. I have downloaded a watershed and the legend seems to sort and associate data layers into somewhat functional groups. I have "hydrology", "observed data stations", "point sources & withdrawls", "political", "transportation", and "soil land use/cover". Now, I guess I have more than a single question; 1. There seems to be some thematic connections, i.e. I can either toggle the entire group or individual layers within the group. Correct? 2. If I add a shape file, it seems to need a "sponsoring" theme grouping. If I have, say "political" highlighted and add doqs, they appear under "political". 3. I think I want to add a theme grouping "images" to the legend for my images. Is that doable? If so, what tool does that? This is an interesting bull to ride. You guys have done great work. jd Jay D. Davis, BS,MA Research Specialist in Agriculture Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644 1304 West Pennsylvania Avenue Urbana, Illinois 61801 E: jdd@illinois.edu (217) 333-7956 (voice mail) (217) 244-0323 (fax) SOIL....a clean four-letter word |> | | __________ GOLF....a second one ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C8CA43.8E8F6180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I found it….the “add = group” button.   Hey guys the best place to hide something from me is directly in front of my face.  This is a = forehead-slapper.

 

jd

 

From: Jay = D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu]
Sent: Monday, June 09, = 2008 3:06 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] = Legend question

 

Happy Monday BASINners

 

I have some images that I want to load into my project.  I have downloaded a watershed and the legend seems to = sort and associate data layers into somewhat functional groups.  I have “hydrology”, “observed data stations”, = “point sources & withdrawls”, “political”, “transportation”, and “soil land = use/cover”.  Now, I guess I have more than a single question;

 

  1. There seems to be some = thematic connections, i.e. I can either toggle the entire group or = individual layers within the group.  = Correct?
  2. If I add a shape file, = it seems to need a “sponsoring” theme grouping.  If I have, = say “political” highlighted and add doqs, they appear under “political”.
  3. I think I want to add = a theme grouping “images” to the legend for my images.  Is = that doable?  If so, what tool does = that?

 

This is an interesting bull to = ride.

You guys have done great = work.

 

jd  

 

Jay D. Davis, BS,MA

Research Specialist in = Agriculture

Department of Agricultural and Biological = Engineering

University of Illinois = Urbana-Champaign

232A Agricultural Engineering Sciences Building, MC644

1304 = West Pennsylvania Avenue

Urbana, Illinois 61801

E:  jdd@illinois.edu<= /o:p>

(217) 333-7956 (voice = mail)

(217) 244-0323 (fax)

 

SOIL....a clean four-letter = word

 

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__________ GOLF....a second = one 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C8CA43.8E8F6180-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 9 X-lyris-Id: 170599 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:15:38 -0400 From: "Brannan, Kevin" Subject: Estimating DETS This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8CBCD.A813196A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, =20 Is there a methodology to estimate DETS? I plan to modify the value of DETS in Special Actions to represent tillage operations. =20 Thanks, Kevin Brannan Biological Systems Engineering Virginia Tech Ph: 540-231-2145 Skype: brannan.kevin Web: www.kbrannan.bse.vt.edu =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8CBCD.A813196A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello All,

 

Is there a methodology to estimate DETS? I plan to = modify the value of DETS in Special Actions to represent tillage = operations.

 

Thanks,

Kevin Brannan

Biological Systems Engineering

Virginia Tech

Ph: 540-231-2145

Skype: brannan.kevin

Web: www.kbrannan.bse.vt.edu

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8CBCD.A813196A-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 10 X-lyris-Id: 170604 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:36:35 -0700 From: Tony Donigian Subject: Re: Estimating DETS Check out Lecture 10, Slide #19 on the BASINS web site - these are the lectures presented in the BASINS/HSPF training courses.
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AQUA TERRA Consultants

2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314

Mountain View, CA 94043-1115

650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706

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Brannan, Kevin wrote:

Hello All,

 

Is there a methodology to estimate DETS? I plan to modify the value of DETS in Special Actions to represent tillage operations.

 

Thanks,

Kevin Brannan

Biological Systems Engineering

Virginia Tech

Ph: 540-231-2145

Skype: brannan.kevin

Web: www.kbrannan.bse.vt.edu

 

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----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 11 X-lyris-Id: 170668 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:01:02 +0800 From: "=?gb2312?B?y+/X2sHB?=" Subject: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Hello All, I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of HSPF in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field. I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question. Thanks. sunny ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 12 X-lyris-Id: 170669 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:02:59 -0400 From: "Xiaoqing Huang" Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Hi Zongliang, All these parameters are nominal. They can't be really measured in the = field experiments. Xiaoqing Huang xhuang@sjrwmd.com -----Original Message----- From: =CB=EF=D7=DA=C1=C1 [mailto:szl@mail.bnu.edu.cn]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:01 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Hello All,=20 I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure INFILT or = UZSN of HSPF in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field. I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question.=20 Thanks. sunny ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. 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Question: May I relate UZSN to soil moisture measurements? thanks jairo Jairo Diaz-Ramirez, Ph.D. Post-Doctoral Associate Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Mississippi State University 235 Walker Hall Box 9546 Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546 (662) 325-9885 (Phone) (662) 325-7189 (Fax) --- El jue 12-jun-08, Xiaoqing Huang escribi=C3=B3: > De: Xiaoqing Huang > Asunto: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF > A: "Private list for BASINS users" > Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008, 6:02 am > Hi Zongliang, >=20 > All these parameters are nominal. 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even then you might need to adjust, or calibrate, to get the most appropriate values.

The best info is in BASINS Tech Note #6, on the BASINS web site, along with values for almost 50 watersheds across the US contained in the HSPFParm database, also available from the web site.

Tony Donigian
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Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE

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孙宗亮 wrote: 
Hello All, 
  I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of 
HSPF
in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field.
  I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question. 
  Thanks.

                                                            sunny



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Example- if you have two landcover types, with measured infiltration rates of 100 units and 50 units respectively, your calibration should have final, calibrated INFIL values that obey this relationship even if the calibrated INFIL parameter values are different than measured. Joe Ferrari > There really isn't a methodology for field measurement of those > values, as they are 'effective' values over a relatively large > area. It would take hundreds of measurements, and even then you > might need to adjust, or calibrate, to get the most appropriate > values. > > The best info is in BASINS Tech Note #6, on the BASINS web site, along > with values for almost 50 watersheds across the US contained in the > HSPFParm database, also available from the web site. > > Tony Donigian > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE AQUA > TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA > 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 www.aquaterra.com > > 孙宗亮 wrote: Hello All, I want to know whether > there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of HSPF in field? I plan > to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field. I would appreciate if > anyone could answer my question. Thanks. > sunny > ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed > to the basinsinfo listserver. 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Tom Jobes St Johns River Water Management District tjobes@sjrwmd.com W: 386-329-4463 C: 386-937-6341 -----Original Message----- From: jferrari@al.umces.edu [mailto:jferrari@al.umces.edu]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:27 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF I would add that field measurement info may be useful for calibration, even if not directly usable in HSPF. Example- if you have two landcover types, with measured infiltration rates of 100 units and 50 units respectively, your calibration should have final, calibrated INFIL values that obey this relationship even if the calibrated INFIL parameter values are different than measured. Joe Ferrari > There really isn't a methodology for field measurement of those > values, as they are 'effective' values over a relatively large > area. It would take hundreds of measurements, and even then you > might need to adjust, or calibrate, to get the most appropriate > values. > > The best info is in BASINS Tech Note #6, on the BASINS web site, along > with values for almost 50 watersheds across the US contained in the > HSPFParm database, also available from the web site. > > Tony Donigian > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Donigian, P.E., D.WRE AQUA > TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA > 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 www.aquaterra.com > > 孙宗亮 wrote: Hello All, I want to know whether > there is a methodology to measure INFILT or UZSN of HSPF in field? I plan > to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in field. I would appreciate if > anyone could answer my question. Thanks. > sunny > ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed > to the basinsinfo listserver. 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OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 19 X-lyris-Id: 170790 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:55:20 -0500 From: "Jay D. Davis" Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Typically a crude test is routinely applied. You dig a hole, dump in a gallon of water and hit the stopwatch. What you get is a gal/sec, or whatever vol/time units. It is called a percolation, or PERC test. Is = this the same thing you are describing? jd -----Original Message----- From: Xiaoqing Huang [mailto:xhuang@sjrwmd.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Hi Jairo, I agree with you that INFILT is related to soil characteristics. But = this doesn't mean that you can go to the field to measure it and then stick = it in the model without calibration. Yes, you can estimate a start-up value of INFILT based on SCS hydrological groups or other people's calibrated = values of similar soil characteristics, etc. Then you need to calibrate it = during the modeling process. Hope this helps. Xiaoqing -----Original Message----- From: Jairo Diaz [mailto:nelve_cab@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:52 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Hi Zongliang INFILT (mm/hr) is related to soil characteristics (BASINS technical note = 6: http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote6.pdf) and SCS = hydrologic soil groups, so you can measure this parameter or use pre-established = GIS databases of the study area. Question: May I relate UZSN to soil moisture measurements? thanks jairo Jairo Diaz-Ramirez, Ph.D. Post-Doctoral Associate Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Mississippi State University 235 Walker Hall Box 9546 Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546 (662) 325-9885 (Phone) (662) 325-7189 (Fax) --- El jue 12-jun-08, Xiaoqing Huang escribi=F3: > De: Xiaoqing Huang > Asunto: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF > A: "Private list for BASINS users" > Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008, 6:02 am > Hi Zongliang, >=20 > All these parameters are nominal. They can't be really > measured in the field experiments. >=20 > Xiaoqing Huang > xhuang@sjrwmd.com >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ??? [mailto:szl@mail.bnu.edu.cn]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:01 PM > To: Private list for BASINS users > Subject: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF >=20 > Hello All,=20 > I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure > INFILT or UZSN of HSPF > in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in > field. > I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question.=20 > Thanks. >=20 > =20 > sunny >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 >=20 > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at > basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ >=20 > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 >=20 > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at > basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam =A1gratis!=20 Reg=EDstrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/=20 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 20 X-lyris-Id: 170816 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:55:12 -0500 From: "Jay D. Davis" Subject: RE: About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF I am re reading my post and I meant to frame the statement a bit = differently than it came out. I am not saying that the perc test described below is = a routine test for infiltration per se. I am asking if this is what the thread topic is about? Is it the same concept? jd -----Original Message----- From: Jay D. Davis [mailto:jdd@uiuc.edu]=20 Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:55 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Typically a crude test is routinely applied. You dig a hole, dump in a gallon of water and hit the stopwatch. What you get is a gal/sec, or whatever vol/time units. It is called a percolation, or PERC test. Is = this the same thing you are describing? jd -----Original Message----- From: Xiaoqing Huang [mailto:xhuang@sjrwmd.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Hi Jairo, I agree with you that INFILT is related to soil characteristics. But = this doesn't mean that you can go to the field to measure it and then stick = it in the model without calibration. Yes, you can estimate a start-up value of INFILT based on SCS hydrological groups or other people's calibrated = values of similar soil characteristics, etc. Then you need to calibrate it = during the modeling process. Hope this helps. Xiaoqing -----Original Message----- From: Jairo Diaz [mailto:nelve_cab@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:52 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF Hi Zongliang INFILT (mm/hr) is related to soil characteristics (BASINS technical note = 6: http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/docs/tecnote6.pdf) and SCS = hydrologic soil groups, so you can measure this parameter or use pre-established = GIS databases of the study area. Question: May I relate UZSN to soil moisture measurements? thanks jairo Jairo Diaz-Ramirez, Ph.D. Post-Doctoral Associate Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Mississippi State University 235 Walker Hall Box 9546 Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546 (662) 325-9885 (Phone) (662) 325-7189 (Fax) --- El jue 12-jun-08, Xiaoqing Huang escribi=F3: > De: Xiaoqing Huang > Asunto: RE: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF > A: "Private list for BASINS users" > Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008, 6:02 am > Hi Zongliang, >=20 > All these parameters are nominal. They can't be really > measured in the field experiments. >=20 > Xiaoqing Huang > xhuang@sjrwmd.com >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ??? [mailto:szl@mail.bnu.edu.cn]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:01 PM > To: Private list for BASINS users > Subject: [basinsinfo] About INFILT or UZSN in HSPF >=20 > Hello All,=20 > I want to know whether there is a methodology to measure > INFILT or UZSN of HSPF > in field? I plan to measure the value of INFILT or UZSN in > field. > I would appreciate if anyone could answer my question.=20 > Thanks. >=20 > =20 > sunny >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 >=20 > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at > basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ >=20 > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 >=20 > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at > basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! 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Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 22 X-lyris-Id: 170831 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:40:05 -0500 From: "Alan Cibuzar" Subject: Re: PLOAD export coefficients Hi Eric We've developed our own for years. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hempel" To: "Private list for BASINS users" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients > Hello- > Does anyone have experience with deriving export coefficients for TP and > or TN? 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Can you recommend any resources or methods? Thanks Eric Hempel Water Quality Standards Water Protection Program Missouri Department of Natural Resources 573-526-7838 "Alan Cibuzar" 06/16/2008 04:40 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject Re: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients Hi Eric We've developed our own for years. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hempel" To: "Private list for BASINS users" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients > Hello- > Does anyone have experience with deriving export coefficients for TP and > or TN? 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Alan, thanks for a reply.

Can you recommend any resources or methods?

Thanks
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Hi Eric

We've developed our own for years.

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= ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C8D061.6BE39060-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 25 X-lyris-Id: 170877 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:43:48 +0800 From: "=?gb2312?B?y+/X2sHB?=" Subject: A question about soil Hello all, I want to know if there is a classification criterion of soil in HSPF, for example what means "the upper zone ", maybe 20cm below the surface soil? or 30cm below the surface? And what about the "lower zone" exactly represents? Thank you for your attention and I will appreciated for your advise. sunny ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 26 X-lyris-Id: 170878 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:21:44 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: RE: PLOAD export coefficients This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C8D124.BB5A3C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Alan, If it is possible, can you suggest some sources about export coefficients. I'm staying in Turkey and maybe other Basins users staying another countries. And I can't call you with phone everytime. Regards Dr. Serdar Goncu _____ From: Alan Cibuzar [mailto:awc@awlab.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:04 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients Give me a call, 218 829 7974 ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Hempel To: Private list for BASINS users Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients Alan, thanks for a reply. Can you recommend any resources or methods? Thanks Eric Hempel Water Quality Standards Water Protection Program Missouri Department of Natural Resources 573-526-7838 "Alan Cibuzar" 06/16/2008 04:40 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject Re: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients Hi Eric We've developed our own for years. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hempel" To: "Private list for BASINS users" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] PLOAD export coefficients > Hello- > Does anyone have experience with deriving export coefficients for TP and > or TN? Thanks! > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3191 (20080616) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C8D124.BB5A3C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_Part_1331_4229766.1213823681450-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 29 X-lyris-Id: 170944 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:30:12 -0700 From: Tony Donigian Subject: Re: A question about soil Check the BASINS/HSPF workshop lectures on the BASINS web site - the HSPF overview and the hydrology and AGCHEM lectures all discuss typical depths for the soil layers. Tony Donigian ????????? wrote: >Hello all, > > I want to know if there is a classification criterion of soil in HSPF, for >example what means "the upper zone ", maybe 20cm below the surface soil? or 30cm >below the surface? And what about the "lower zone" exactly represents? > > Thank you for your attention and I will appreciated for your advise. > > > sunny > > > >------------------------------------------ >You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > >To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov >OR: >Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your >subscription. >OR >Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov >------------------------------------------ > > > >-- >If this email is spam, report it here: >http://www.onlymyemail.com/view/?action=reportSpam&Id=MTcyMzE6NjY3MjU0MzMyOmRvb mlnaWFuQGFxdWF0ZXJyYS5jb20%3D > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 30 X-lyris-Id: 170945 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:00:09 +0800 From: "=?gb2312?B?y+/X2sHB?=" Subject: Re: A question about soil Dear Tony, Thank you for your advise. But I really couldn't find the lectures you said on the BASINS web site, so would you mind sending me by email? Because I think to make sure the typical depths for the soil layers are very important to me.Thank you very much. ????????????????????: >From: Tony Donigian >Reply-To: "Private list for BASINS users" >To: "Private list for BASINS users" >Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] A question about soil >Date:Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:30:12 -0700 > >Check the BASINS/HSPF workshop lectures on the BASINS web site - theHSPF overview and the hydrology and AGCHEM lectures all discuss typical depths for the soil layers. > > Tony Donigia > ????????? wrote: > >Hello all, >> > I want to know if there is a classification criterion of soil in HSPF, f>example what means "the upper zone ", maybe 20cm below the surface soil? or 30c>below the surface? And what about the "lower zone" exactly represents? >> > > Thank you for your attention and I will appreciated for your advise.> > > > > sunny> > > > > > >------------------------------------------ >>You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > >To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go>OR:>Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your>subscriptio>OR >>Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.g>------------------------------------------ >> > > > > > >-- >>If this email is spam, report it here: >>http://www.onlymyemail.com/view/?action=reportSpam&Id=MTcyMzE6NjY3MjU0MzMyOmRv bmlnaWFuQGFxdWF0ZXJyYS5jb20%3> > > > > > > >> > > ----------------------------------------You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.govOR: >Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscriptionOR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.go--------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 31 X-lyris-Id: 170947 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:17:48 -0700 From: Tony Donigian Subject: Re: A question about soil Soil depths are only used in the MSTLAY and AGCHEM modules, to determine the soil mass for sorption/desorption calculations.

Surface layer = .2 to .7 in, typically 0.5 inches, or 1 cm.
Upper Zone = 6 to 10 inches, or 15 to 25 cm - 15 cm is common, usually depth to plow layer for ag lands, less the surface zone depth.
Lower Zone = 4 to 8 feet, typically 6 ft, or 180 cm - usually considered the depth to bottom of crop root zone, less the surface and upper zone depths.

GW depth = 6 - 10 ft, represents shallow GW that contributes to stream baseflow.

Tony

孙宗亮 wrote: 

Dear Tony,
     
     Thank you for your advise. But I really couldn't find the lectures you said
on the BASINS web site, so would you mind sending me by email? Because I think 
to
make sure the typical depths for the soil layers are very important to me.Thank
you very much.
????????????????????:
  
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To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] A question about soil
Date:Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:30:12 -0700

Check the BASINS/HSPF workshop lectures on the BASINS web site - theHSPF 
overview
    
and the hydrology and AGCHEM lectures all discuss typical 
depths for the soil
layers.
  
Tony Donigia
????????? wrote:
    
Hello all,
  >   I want to know if there is a classification criterion of soil in HSPF,
      
f>example what means "the upper zone ", maybe 20cm 
below the surface soil? or
30c>below the surface? And what about the "lower zone" exactly represents?
  
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D22A.F49CD1FA-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 33 X-lyris-Id: 171047 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:18:21 +0000 From: paola prieto Subject: GenScn output problem --_be54ba1e-20f5-4d33-9adc-49d482e3e317_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi everyone =20 I have been working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria model using HSPF. The mode= l is composed by 3 subwatersheds. Rigth now, I have appropriate dissolve co= ncentration (DQAL1) for fecal coliform in 2 subwatersheds, but the simulati= on run output (GenScn) for the last subwatershed (WATHERSHED OUTLET), prod= uced values between -4.58x1029 and - 5 x1029 , which is not con= sistent with the watershed=92s characteristics. Does anyone know why is ha= ppening this? =20 Thank you for any replies. =20 Paola Prieto Graduate Student Civil Engineering Department University of Puerto Rico, Mayag=FCez paolita_l@hotmail.com =20 _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM= _WL_Refresh_messenger_062008= --_be54ba1e-20f5-4d33-9adc-49d482e3e317_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

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I have been working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria m= odel using HSPF. The model is composed by 3 subwatersheds. Rigth now, I hav= e dissolve concentration (DQ= AL1) for fecal coliform in 2 subwatersheds, but the simulation run output (= GenScn) for the last subwatershed (WATHERSHED OUTLET),  produced values between            = ; -4.58x1029= and - 5 x1029 , which is not consistent with the watershed=92s = characteristics.  Does anyone know why is happening this?

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Civil Engine= ering Department

University o= f Puerto Rico, Mayag=FCez

paolita_l@ho= tmail.com

 

Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Li= ve Messenger. IM o= n your terms. = --_be54ba1e-20f5-4d33-9adc-49d482e3e317_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 34 X-lyris-Id: 171049 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:48:46 -0500 From: "James Miertschin" Subject: Re: GenScn output problem This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C8D527.1825A420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have seen large negative numbers result when the model believes that = the stream has dried up. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: paola prieto=20 To: Private list for BASINS users=20 Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: [basinsinfo] GenScn output problem =20 Hi everyone =20 I have been working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria model using HSPF. The = model is composed by 3 subwatersheds. Rigth now, I have appropriate = dissolve concentration (DQAL1) for fecal coliform in 2 subwatersheds, = but the simulation run output (GenScn) for the last subwatershed = (WATHERSHED OUTLET), produced values between -4.58x1029 and = - 5 x1029 , which is not consistent with the watershed=92s = characteristics. Does anyone know why is happening this? =20 Thank you for any replies. =20 Paola Prieto Graduate Student Civil Engineering Department University of Puerto Rico, Mayag=FCez paolita_l@hotmail.com =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. IM = on your terms. ------------------------------------------=20 You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to = lyris@lists.epa.gov=20 OR:=20 Use the listserver's web interface at = https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription.=20 OR=20 Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C8D527.1825A420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have seen large negative numbers result when = the model=20 believes that the stream has dried up.
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Hi=20 everyone

 

I=20 have been working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria model using HSPF. The = model is=20 composed by 3 subwatersheds. Rigth now, I have appropriate=20 dissolve=20 concentration (DQAL1) for fecal coliform in 2 subwatersheds, but the=20 simulation run output (GenScn) for the last subwatershed (WATHERSHED = OUTLET),=20  produced values between =            &n= bsp;-4.58x1029 and - 5 x1029 , which = is not=20 consistent with the watershed=92s characteristics.  Does anyone know why is happening=20 this?

 

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Paula and James,

 

Exactly, James – no-water events result in = undefined concentrations, which are indicated by -1.0E30.=A0 For some variables, = there is a units conversion applied (for GQUAL this is the user-defined conversion factor), and if you are outputting aggregated values, you can sometimes = have a mix of “real” values and “undefined”, giving = oddball values like Paola’s -4.58e29.

 

If in doubt, try outputting both DQAL and VOL at the same = timestep as the run – you should see the big negatives line up with = VOL=3D0.0 in a listing.=A0 Whether the VOL=3D0 makes sense for your watershed is = something you’ll have to decide based on the local conditions.

 

Tom Jobes

St Johns River Water Management District

tjobes@sjrwmd.com

W: 386-329-4463

C: 386-937-6341

 

From:= = James Miertschin [mailto:jmaenv@swbell.net]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] GenScn output problem

 

I have seen large negative numbers result when the model believes that the = stream has dried up.

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I have been = working with Fecal Coliform Bacteria model using HSPF. The model is composed by 3 subwatersheds. Rigth now, I have appropriate dissolve concentration (DQAL1) for fecal coliform in 2 subwatersheds, but the simulation run output (GenScn) for the last = subwatershed (WATHERSHED OUTLET),=A0 produced values = between=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -4.58x1029 and - 5 x1029 , which is not consistent with the = watershed’s characteristics.=A0 Does anyone know why is happening this?

 

Thank you for = any replies.

 

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University of Puerto Rico, Mayag=FCez

paolita_l@hotmail.com

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D556.AF3C626E-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 36 X-lyris-Id: 171063 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:45:10 +0100 From: "Kasia Borthwick" Subject: Basins / WinHSPF in the UK This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D5CE.3B80E303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF = in the UK. Since all the input files, that are created in Basins need to = be done from scratch seems like a lot of work. My question is, whether = anyone has done it outside the US, and how long did it take to create = and run the model. Thanks, Kasia Katarzyna Borthwick Environmental Consultant ARCADIS, Craven Court, Willie Snaith Road, Newmarket, Suffolk, CB8 7FA =20 Tel: +44(0)1638 674767 Fax: +44(0)1638 668191 www.arcadisgmi.com = =20 This email, including any attachments, contains confidential = information. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us = immediately by replying to this email and delete the communication from = your system without reading, using, copying, disseminating it or placing = any reliance upon its contents. Email transmissions cannot be guaranteed = secure and we cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence = arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email = (including any attachments) are those of the author and do not = necessarily reflect the views of Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International = Ltd. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our = employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the = accuracy or completeness of such information. This message has been = scanned for viruses before transmission, but Arcadis Geraghty & Miller = International Ltd does not accept responsibility for any loss or damage = caused as a result of this email and/or any attachments supplied with = it. It is recommended you scan all email using suitable software. Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International Ltd Craven Court, Willie Snaith = Road Newmarket, Suffolk CB87FA Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International Ltd is a company registered in = England and Wales Company Registration No. 04885054 VAT No. 834 8543 07 assistance@arcadisgmi.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D5CE.3B80E303 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Basins / WinHSPF in the UK

Hi,

I have been trying to work out how = easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in the UK. Since all the input = files, that are created in Basins need to be done from scratch seems = like a lot of work. My question is, whether anyone has done it outside = the US, and how long did it take to create and run the model.

Thanks,

Kasia

Katarzyna = Borthwick
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D5CE.3B80E303-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 37 X-lyris-Id: 171064 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:01:09 +0300 From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Serdar_G=F6nc=FC?= Subject: RE: Basins / WinHSPF in the UK This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C8D5F1.FF824060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kasia, I have used WinHSPF for my pHD thesis. Creating and running the model depands your study area. If your study area consist a lot of sub basins and river segments, your Project take a long time. But if your catchment as a small area, the modelling time not more long. Approximate creating model inputs take 6 months for my Project. Especially creating meteorological data wdm files and linking between basins are very complex process for WinHSPF (I think). Good luck Dr.Serdar GONCU _____ From: Kasia Borthwick [mailto:kborthwick@arcadisgmi.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:45 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins / WinHSPF in the UK Hi, I have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in the UK. Since all the input files, that are created in Basins need to be done from scratch seems like a lot of work. My question is, whether anyone has done it outside the US, and how long did it take to create and run the model. Thanks, Kasia Katarzyna Borthwick Environmental Consultant ARCADIS, Craven Court, Willie Snaith Road, Newmarket, Suffolk, CB8 7FA Tel: +44(0)1638 674767 Fax: +44(0)1638 668191 www.arcadisgmi.com ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ _____ This email, including any attachments, contains confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately by replying to this email and delete the communication from your system without reading, using, copying, disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. Email transmissions cannot be guaranteed secure and we cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including any attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International Ltd. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information. This message has been scanned for viruses before transmission, but Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International Ltd does not accept responsibility for any loss or damage caused as a result of this email and/or any attachments supplied with it. It is recommended you scan all email using suitable software. Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International Ltd Craven Court, Willie Snaith Road Newmarket, Suffolk CB87FA Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales Company Registration No. 04885054 VAT No. 834 8543 07 assistance@arcadisgmi.com ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C8D5F1.FF824060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Basins / WinHSPF in the UK

Dear = Kasia,

 

I have used WinHSPF for my pHD = thesis. Creating and running the model depands your study area. If your study area = consist a lot of sub basins and river segments, your Project take a long = time.

But if your catchment as a small = area, the modelling time not more long.

Approximate creating model inputs = take 6 months for my Project. Especially creating meteorological data wdm files = and linking between basins are very complex process for WinHSPF (I = think).

 

Good luck =

 

Dr.Serdar = GONCU

 

From: Kasia = Borthwick [mailto:kborthwick@arcadisgmi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, = 2008 10:45 AM
To: Private list for = BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] = Basins / WinHSPF in the UK

 

Hi,

I have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in = the UK. Since all the input files, that are created in Basins need to be done = from scratch seems like a lot of work. My question is, whether anyone has = done it outside the US, and how long did it take to create and run the = model.

Thanks,

Kasia

Katarzyna Borthwick
Environmental Consultant
ARCADIS, Craven Court, Willie Snaith Road, Newmarket, Suffolk, CB8 7FA
 
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------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C8D5F1.FF824060-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 38 X-lyris-Id: 171088 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mansoor A Baloch Subject: Re: Basins / WinHSPF in the UK --0-1013695168-1214322435=:84903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello I used BASINS 4.0 and HSPF for modeling hydrology and non point source poll= utant loadings for a watershed in southern Turkey for my PhD research. I gu= ess if you have the relevant data available the only thing that may take lo= ng is the actual learning of the modeling system. Beginning with the BASINS= /HSPF tutorial will be a good start for gaining familiarity. Furthermore fo= r me the BASINS/HSPF documentation was of great help. I suppose if you are = all into it with your data in hands and depending on the objectives of your= project anything between 6-12 months might be a good guess. Wish you best of luck Mansoor Baloch --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Kasia Borthwick wrote: From: Kasia Borthwick Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins / WinHSPF in the UK To: "Private list for BASINS users" Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:45 AM Basins / WinHSPF in the UK =20 =20 Hi, I have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in t= he UK. Since all the input files, that are created in Basins need to be don= e from scratch seems like a lot of work. My question is, whether anyone has= done it outside the US, and how long did it take to create and run the mod= el. Thanks, Kasia Katarzyna Borthwick Environmental Consultant ARCADIS, Craven Court, Willie Snaith Road, Newmarket, Suffolk, CB8 7FA =20 Tel: +44(0)1638 674767 Fax: +44(0)1638 668191 www.arcadisgmi.com ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go= v OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.p= l to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ =20 This email, including any attachments, contains confidential information. I= f you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately by replyi= ng to this email and delete the communication from your system without read= ing, using, copying, disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its cont= ents. Email transmissions cannot be guaranteed secure and we cannot accept = liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any = opinions expressed in this email (including any attachments) are those of t= he author and do not necessarily reflect the views of Arcadis Geraghty & Mi= ller International Ltd. We will not accept responsibility for any commitmen= ts made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warra= nt the accuracy or completeness of such information. This=A0message=A0has= =A0been=A0scanned=A0for=A0viruses=A0before=A0transmission, but=A0Arcadis Ge= raghty & Miller International Ltd does not accept responsibility for any lo= ss or damage caused as a result of this email and/or any attachments supplied= with it. It is recommended you scan all email using suitable software.=20 Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International=A0Ltd Craven Court , Willie Snaith= Road Newmarket , Suffolk CB87FA=20 Arcadis Geraghty & Miller International=A0Ltd=A0is=A0a=A0company=A0register= ed=A0in=A0England=A0and=A0Wales Company Registration=A0No. 04885054 VAT No.= 834 8543 07 assistance@arcadisgmi.com =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-1013695168-1214322435=:84903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello

I used BASINS 4.0 and HSPF for modeling hydrology and non point source pollutant loadings for a watershed in southern Turkey for my PhD research. I guess if you have the relevant data available the only thing that may take long is the actual learning of the modeling system. Beginning with the BASINS/HSPF tutorial will be a good start for gaining familiarity. Furthermore for me the BASINS/HSPF documentation was of great help. I suppose if you are all into it with your data in hands and depending on the objectives of your project anything between 6-12 months might be a good guess.

Wish you best of luck

Mansoor Baloch

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Kasia Borthwick <kborthwick@arcadisgmi.com> wrote:
From: Kasia Borthwick <kborthwick@arcadisgmi.com>
Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins / WinHSPF in the UK
To: "Private list for BASINS users" <basinsinfo@lists.epa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 10:45 AM

Basins / WinHSPF in the UK

Hi,

I have been trying to work out how easy/difficult it is to use WinHSPF in the UK. Since all the input files, that are created in Basins need to be done from scratch seems like a lot of work. My question is, whether anyone has done it outside the US, and how long did it take to create and run the model.

Thanks,

Kasia

Katarzyna Borthwick
Environmental Consultant
ARCADIS, Craven Court, Willie Snaith Road, Newmarket, Suffolk, CB8 7FA

Tel: +44(0)1638 674767
Fax: +44(0)1638 668191
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--0-1013695168-1214322435=:84903-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 39 X-lyris-Id: 171144 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:07:45 -0000 From: "Vicki Steed" Subject: error message in WinHSPF I am a new user of WinHSPF. I have created a new project in BASINS and launched it into WinHSPF. When I try to run my project, the program abends and I get the following error message: ******************************************************************* * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 341 4 * * * * DATE/TIME: 1985/ 1/ 1 1: 0 * * * * RCHRES: 33 * * * The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using Newton's * * method of successive approximations, did not converge. Probable reason -- * * unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB. Relevant data are: * * * * A B C RDEP1 RDEP2 COUNT * * 0.0000E+00 2613.6 ********** ********** ********** 120 * * * ******************************************************************************** **** I have searched the UCI file and find no occurrences of AUXIL of RCHTAB. I would guess that the problem is in the FTABLES, but there are no fields RDEP1 or RDEP2. The only change I made in WinHSPF before clicking on RUN was to select a point source (which is not in reach 33). Any suggestions? ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 40 X-lyris-Id: 171147 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:44:29 -0400 From: Kate Flynn Subject: Re: error message in WinHSPF This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006C740985257473_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" AUXIL is a subroutine in HSPF, so you won't find it the input file. RCHTAB is the data from the FTABLES block. Probably, as noted in the message, there is a problem with the FTABLE associated with RCHRES 33. The ***'s under C, RDEP1, and RDEP2 probably indicate very very large numbers that don't fit it in the available space. See the HSPF manual for a description of the computation and variables used; there is also a nice illustration. (Assuming the default installation, you can find the manual on your computer in C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm). Search on the keyword RCHTAB, to find "Values of Auxiliary State Variables - AUXL" Kate "Vicki Steed" 06/25/2008 03:07 PM Please respond to "Private list for BASINS users" To "Private list for BASINS users" cc Subject [basinsinfo] error message in WinHSPF I am a new user of WinHSPF. I have created a new project in BASINS and launched it into WinHSPF. When I try to run my project, the program abends and I get the following error message: ******************************************************************* * * * ERROR/WARNING ID: 341 4 * * * * DATE/TIME: 1985/ 1/ 1 1: 0 * * * * RCHRES: 33 * * * The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using Newton's * * method of successive approximations, did not converge. Probable reason -- * * unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB. Relevant data are: * * * * A B C RDEP1 RDEP2 COUNT * * 0.0000E+00 2613.6 ********** ********** ********** 120 * * * ******************************************************************************** **** I have searched the UCI file and find no occurrences of AUXIL of RCHTAB. I would guess that the problem is in the FTABLES, but there are no fields RDEP1 or RDEP2. The only change I made in WinHSPF before clicking on RUN was to select a point source (which is not in reach 33). Any suggestions? --=_alternative 006C740985257473_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
AUXIL is a subroutine in HSPF, so you won't find it the input file.  RCHTAB is the data from the FTABLES block.  Probably, as noted in the message, there is a problem with the FTABLE associated with RCHRES 33.  The ***'s under C, RDEP1, and RDEP2 probably indicate very very large numbers that don't fit it in the available space.  See the HSPF manual for a description of the computation and variables used; there is also a nice illustration.  (Assuming the default installation, you can find the manual on your computer in C:\Basins\docs\HSPF.chm). Search on the keyword RCHTAB, to find "Values of Auxiliary State Variables - AUXL"

Kate


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I am a new user of WinHSPF.  I have created a new project in BASINS and launched it into WinHSPF.  When I try to run my project, the program abends and I get the following error message:


*******************************************************************
*                                                                                  *
*  ERROR/WARNING ID:   341   4                                                     *
*                                                                                  *
*  DATE/TIME: 1985/ 1/ 1  1: 0                                                     *
*                                                                                  *
*  RCHRES:    33                         *                                                                                  *
*  The calculation of relative depth in subroutine AUXIL, using Newton's           *
*  method of successive approximations, did not converge.  Probable reason --      *
*  unusual or bad entries in RCHTAB.  Relevant data are:                           *
*                                                                                  *
*           A          B          C      RDEP1      RDEP2  COUNT                   *
*  0.0000E+00 2613.6     ********** ********** **********    120                   *
*                                                                                  *
******************************************************************************** ****


I have searched the UCI file and find no occurrences of AUXIL of RCHTAB.  I would guess that the problem is in the FTABLES, but there are no fields RDEP1 or RDEP2.  The only change I made in WinHSPF before clicking on RUN was to select a point source (which is not in reach 33).

Any suggestions?
--=_alternative 006C740985257473_=-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 41 X-lyris-Id: 171156 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:22:39 -0400 From: "Iudicello, Jeff" Subject: freezing problems during automatic delineation Dear Listserv- I am having problems while trying to perform an automatic delination of my = watershed project. In the past, clicking "Run all" would normally only tak= e about 2 minutes to finish the calculations. Now, it freezes after about = 25... I'm not sure if I am doing something wrong this time or if there is a= problem elsewhere. It always seems to finally freeze while calculating th= e "WS slope parameters". Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks... Jeff Iudicello PhD Student Department of Civil, Architectural, and Environmental Engineering University of Miami j.iudicello@umiami.edu ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 42 X-lyris-Id: 171199 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:19:52 -0000 From: "Vicki Steed" Subject: discrepancy between BASINS and WinHSPF I have delineated several watersheds in a BASINS project. There are 5 subwatersheds, 5 stream segments, & 5 outlets. However, when I launch the project into WinHSPF, only 1 icon is displayed on the initial screen -- RCHRES1. If I click on the "land use" button at the top of the screen, 5 different subwatersheds are listed with their correct landuse. If I click on the "reaches" button at the top of the screen, 5 different stream segments are listed and the F table entries appear to be correct. So why is RCHRES1 the only icon on the first screen? I've tried repeating the automatic delineation, but no change. I even tried re-installing BASINS in case a file had been corrupted, but no luck. At first I thought WinHSPF was summarizing all of the watersheds into one, but it really is RCHRES1, not a summary. Any idea what's going on here? Other WinHSPF users in my group are not experiencing this problem, so we are truly puzzled. ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 43 X-lyris-Id: 171208 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:04:28 -0700 From: Derek Stuart Subject: Basins Default / Working Directory This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0005E7EE88257475_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4? It seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process are determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory. I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the working directory but that does not seem to be the case. Another idea was the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive button. Any ideas? Derek Stuart, P.E. northwest hydraulic consultants, inc. 16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350 Seattle, WA 98188-3418 DStuart@nhc-sea.com http://www.nhcweb.com Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420 --=_alternative 0005E7EE88257475_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4?  It seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process are determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory.  

I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the working directory but that does not seem to be the case.   Another idea was the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive button.

Any ideas?

Derek Stuart, P.E.
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
Seattle, WA 98188-3418
DStuart@nhc-sea.com
http://www.nhcweb.com
Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420
 --=_alternative 0005E7EE88257475_=-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 44 X-lyris-Id: 171216 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:04:26 -0600 From: "Daniel Ames" Subject: Re: Basins Default / Working Directory ------=_Part_7451_29151691.1214575466293 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Derek, In the current version of BASINS the Automatic Watershed Delin tool is set up to do what you've noticed - place the output files in the same location as the input DEM. This is a good suggestion though and we're working on setting up a bugs/features repository that we'll soon be able to use to log such ideas. In the mean time there's not a work-around that I'm aware of. Dan On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Derek Stuart wrote: > > Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4? It > seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process are > determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory. > > I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the > working directory but that does not seem to be the case. Another idea was > the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive button. > > Any ideas? > > Derek Stuart, P.E.* > northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.* > 16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350 > Seattle, WA 98188-3418 > DStuart@nhc-sea.com > http://www.nhcweb.com > Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420 > ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to > the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe > basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface > at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov------------------------------------------ -- Daniel P. Ames, PhD, PE Geospatial Software Lab Department of Geosciences Idaho State University - Idaho Falls amesdani@isu.edu www.hydromap.com ------=_Part_7451_29151691.1214575466293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Derek,

In the current version of BASINS the Automatic Watershed Delin tool is set up to do what you've noticed - place the output files in the same location as the input DEM. This is a good suggestion though and we're working on setting up a bugs/features repository that we'll soon be able to use to log such ideas. In the mean time there's not a work-around that I'm aware of.

Dan

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Derek Stuart <DStuart@nhc-sea.com> wrote:

Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4?  It seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process are determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory.  

I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the working directory but that does not seem to be the case.   Another idea was the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive button.

Any ideas?

Derek Stuart, P.E.
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
Seattle, WA 98188-3418
DStuart@nhc-sea.com
http://www.nhcweb.com
Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420
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------=_Part_7451_29151691.1214575466293-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 45 X-lyris-Id: 171252 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:22:49 -0400 From: Biswarup Guha Subject: RE: Point Source File --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF740FF9E138D9shelterhydroq_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've a quick question regarding creating the point sources file. The WinHSP= F manual states that the loads should be in lbs/hr. However I am using a da= ily interval and was wondering first of all if I can do that and if so shou= ld I use lbs/day as the load unit. Also, in the manual an example is given = for an ASCII load input. Can I use a wdm with the loads and flows? Thanks, Roop ________________________________ This electronic message, and any attachments transmitted with it, may conta= in privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended to be viewed = only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized= review, use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is = strictly prohibited. --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF740FF9E138D9shelterhydroq_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I've a quick question regarding c= reating the point sources file. The WinHSPF manual states that the loads sh= ould be in lbs/hr. However I am using a daily interval and was wondering first of all if I can do that and if so should = I use lbs/day as the load unit. Also, in the manual an example is given for= an ASCII load input. Can I use a wdm with the loads and flows?
 
Thanks,
 
Roop

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 --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF740FF9E138D9shelterhydroq_-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 46 X-lyris-Id: 171255 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:17:19 -0600 From: "Allen Richard Anselmo" Subject: Re: Basins Default / Working Directory This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08AE_01C8D847.5CCBD900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you click on the Advanced Settings button on the AWD form, type = "output" in the "Relative Output Directory" option at the top, then all = of your output files will be placed in the \output = folder. I can only speak for the AWD part though as that's the one I wrote. I'm = not entirely sure if the rest of the BASINS process requires those files = to be in the DEM directory or if it just goes off the path of the = currently loaded output files. Allen Anselmo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Derek Stuart=20 To: Private list for BASINS users=20 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: [basinsinfo] Basins Default / Working Directory Is there a way to set a working directory in Map Window / Basins4? It = seems that the files created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process = are determined to show up inside my DEM grid directory. =20 I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would set the = working directory but that does not seem to be the case. Another idea = was the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an inactive = button.=20 Any ideas? Derek Stuart, P.E. northwest hydraulic consultants, inc. 16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350 Seattle, WA 98188-3418 DStuart@nhc-sea.com http://www.nhcweb.com Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420 ------------------------------------------ You are currently = subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words = unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's = web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your = subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_08AE_01C8D847.5CCBD900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you click on the Advanced Settings = button on the=20 AWD form, type "output" in the "Relative Output = Directory" option at=20 the top, then all of your output files will be placed in the <DEM=20 directory>\output folder.
 
I can only speak for the AWD part = though as that's=20 the one I wrote. I'm not entirely sure if the rest of the BASINS process = requires those files to be in the DEM directory or if it just goes off = the path=20 of the currently loaded output files.
 
Allen Anselmo
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Is there a way to = set a=20 working directory in Map Window / Basins4?  It seems that the = files=20 created by the BASINS Automatic Delineation process are determined to = show up=20 inside my DEM grid directory.  

I thought that the last GIS layer added to the project would = set the=20 working directory but that does not seem to be the case.   = Another idea=20 was the 'File' -> 'Save Data In' option but that seems to be an = inactive=20 button.

Any=20 ideas?

Derek Stuart, P.E.
northwest hydraulic consultants,=20 inc.
16300 Christensen Road, Suite = 350
Seattle,=20 WA 98188-3418
DStuart@nhc-sea.com
http://www.nhcweb.com
Ph: = 206=20 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420
------------------------------------------ You are = currently=20 subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the = words=20 unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's = web=20 interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at=20 basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov=20 ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_08AE_01C8D847.5CCBD900-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 47 X-lyris-Id: 171257 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:02:24 -0700 From: Derek Stuart Subject: Basins4 Custom Stream Network This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00631A6988257475_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you to all for comments on my working directory question. I have yet another BASINS4 question related to developing a model with a custom stream network. If a user starts with the Automatic Basin Delineation he or she gets a stream network that is connected at all junctions and one stream corresponds to each sub-basin. This works well. Now, if the user wants to use only a selected number of the sub-basins it appears to me that BASINS4 is unable to create a stream network that is connected at all junctions. ____________________________________________________________________ The steps I have taken thus far: A) Automatic delineation at a specified number of pour points (input = DEM, pour_points.shp, and burn-in with non-NED streams layer "other_source_stream.shp" that includes LEVEL field) --> creates files testnet.shp (streams), testw.shp (all sub-basins) and testw_merged.shp(pour point sub-basins) At this point I want to get a stream network that has one stream per basin and attributes linking the sub-basins in testw_merged.shp. I can certainly do this manually in GIS but it seems to me that either the Automatic or Manual Delineations in BASINS4 should do it for me. B - Attempt 1) Try Manual Delineation using (testw_merged.shp, DEM and "other_source_stream.shp") --> creates stream1.shp and subbasin1.shp within a 'watershed' sub-folder. The problem with stream1.shp is that the streams are clipped at the edge of the sub-basin and they no longer connect to the downstream stream segment. In addition to the streams being clipped it also seems that the DSLINKNO, USLINKNO, etc. fields are not populated from the Manual Delineation dialog. I also note that the streams dataset created with the Automatic Delineation does not include LEVEL so it does not run in the Manual Delineation dialogs. B - Attempt 2) Try Manual Delineation using (testw.shp, DEM and "other_source_stream.shp"), using "merge sub-basins" feature to merge sub-basins --> creates stream2.shp and subbasin2.shp within a 'watershed' sub-folder. Stream2.shp has the same problems that stream1.shp did. ____________________________________________________________________ I am using the 6/9/2008 build of BASINS4. Any feedback folks can provide would be appreciated. Regards, Derek Stuart, P.E. northwest hydraulic consultants, inc. 16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350 Seattle, WA 98188-3418 DStuart@nhc-sea.com http://www.nhcweb.com Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420 --=_alternative 00631A6988257475_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Thank you to all for comments on my working directory question.  I have yet another BASINS4 question related to developing a model with a custom stream network.

If a user starts with the Automatic Basin Delineation he or she gets a stream network that is connected at all junctions and one stream corresponds to each sub-basin.  This works well.  Now, if the user wants to use only a selected number of the sub-basins it appears to me that BASINS4 is unable to create a stream network that is connected at all junctions.  
______________________________________________________________ ______
The steps I have taken thus far:

A) Automatic delineation at a specified number of pour points (input = DEM, pour_points.shp, and burn-in with non-NED streams layer "other_source_stream.shp" that includes LEVEL field)
--> creates files testnet.shp (streams), testw.shp (all sub-basins) and testw_merged.shp(pour point sub-basins)

At this point I want to get a stream network that has one stream per basin and attributes linking the sub-basins in testw_merged.shp.  I can certainly do this manually in GIS but it seems to me that either the Automatic or Manual Delineations in BASINS4 should do it for me.

B - Attempt 1) Try Manual Delineation using (testw_merged.shp, DEM and "other_source_stream.shp")
 --> creates stream1.shp and subbasin1.shp within a 'watershed' sub-folder.  

The problem with stream1.shp is that the streams are clipped at the edge of the sub-basin and they no longer connect to the downstream stream segment.  In addition to the streams being clipped it also seems that the DSLINKNO, USLINKNO, etc. fields are not populated from the Manual Delineation dialog.  I also note that the streams dataset created with the Automatic Delineation does not include LEVEL so it does not run in the Manual Delineation dialogs.

B - Attempt 2) Try Manual Delineation using (testw.shp, DEM and "other_source_stream.shp"), using "merge sub-basins" feature to merge sub-basins
 --> creates stream2.shp and subbasin2.shp within a 'watershed' sub-folder.  

Stream2.shp has the same problems that stream1.shp did.
______________________________________________________________ ______

I am using the 6/9/2008 build of BASINS4.

Any feedback folks can provide would be appreciated.

Regards,


Derek Stuart, P.E.
northwest hydraulic consultants, inc.
16300 Christensen Road, Suite 350
Seattle, WA 98188-3418
DStuart@nhc-sea.com
http://www.nhcweb.com
Ph: 206 241-6000 Fx: 206 439-2420 --=_alternative 00631A6988257475_=-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 48 X-lyris-Id: 171261 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Lauren Felker Subject: PEST --0-292588886-1214596998=:1741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all. I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and manipulating other values in the pest control file. I've also very thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the objective function is not getting anywhere near zero? Your advice is much appreciated. Lauren --0-292588886-1214596998=:1741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello all.

    I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and manipulating other values in the pest control file. I've also very thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the objective function is not getting anywhere near zero?

Your advice is much appreciated.

Lauren


--0-292588886-1214596998=:1741-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 49 X-lyris-Id: 171263 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:27:50 -0400 From: "Matt Tonkin" Subject: RE: PEST This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C8D872.BF19CE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lauren: The objective function that PEST can achieve depends on the number of observations, the observation weights that you are using, the number of parameters, the model set up that you are using, and a wide variety of other factors. It is very, very likely that PEST will not come close to an objective function of zero in your case, or for that matter in any real-world modeling analysis. In your particular case, it might be most effective to post-process the measured and observed data using some plots - such as time series, scatter plots (simulated vs. observed), residual plots (residual vs. observed) - to identify first if the calibration appears to be improving the correspondence between the model outputs and the measurements. Beyond that, I would recommend a good text book or reference on model calibration and weighted least squares to provide some background on what can be expected of the calibration process. Good luck! Matt Matt Tonkin S.S. Papadopulos & Assoc., Inc. email: matt@sspa.com _____ From: Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:03 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] PEST Hello all. I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and manipulating other values in the pest control file. I've also very thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the objective function is not getting anywhere near zero? Your advice is much appreciated. Lauren ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C8D872.BF19CE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Lauren:

 

The objective function that PEST = can achieve depends on the number of observations, the observation weights = that you are using, the number of parameters, the model set up that you are = using, and a wide variety of other factors. It is very, very likely that PEST will not come close to an objective function of zero in your case, or = for that matter in any real-world modeling analysis. In your particular case, it = might be most effective to post-process the measured and observed data using = some plots – such as time series, scatter plots (simulated vs. = observed), residual plots (residual vs. observed) – to identify first if the = calibration appears to be improving the correspondence between the model outputs and = the measurements. Beyond that, I would recommend a good text book or = reference on model calibration and weighted least squares to provide some background = on what can be expected of the calibration process.

 

Good luck! = Matt

 

Matt Tonkin
S.S. Papadopulos & Assoc., Inc.
email: matt@sspa.com<= /p>

From: = Lauren Felker [mailto:emerson924@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 27, = 2008 4:03 PM
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Subject: [basinsinfo] = PEST

 

Hello all.

    I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered to = a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. = tied) parameters as well as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and = manipulating other values in the pest control file. I've also very thoroughly read = through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't Optimise") but = I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the objective function is not getting anywhere near zero?

Your advice is much appreciated.

Lauren


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------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C8D872.BF19CE70-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 50 X-lyris-Id: 171264 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: jferrari@al.umces.edu Subject: Re: PEST My first guess is that your parameter ranges should be expanded to allow PEST more room in finding objective function minima. OR, your simulation is getting trapped in a local objective function minima- try changing your initial parameter values or use the PDMS2 driver to run PEST multiple times to obtain the global objective function minima. Good luck! Joe > Hello all. > > I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running PEST > through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being lowered > to a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My starting > phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and have tried > increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. tied) parameters as well > as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and manipulating other > values in the pest control file. I've also very thoroughly read > through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't Optimise") but > I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) when PEST has > completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the > objective function is not getting anywhere near zero? > > Your advice is much appreciated. > > Lauren > > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 51 X-lyris-Id: 171265 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:42 -0400 From: Biswarup Guha Subject: RE: Point Source File --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF740FF9E138DBshelterhydroq_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I think I got my answer to one of my questions. I created a wdm file with a= ll the parameters and declared the file name in the *uci file as WDM3. Now = when I click on the point sources, I get all the parameters which I added i= n the wdm file. I have a few questions hereon: 1) In the wdm is the DSN specific for particlar parameter the way it is in = the met.wdm? e.g Flow is in DSN 1, TSS in DSN 2 etc.? 2) The "Target Member" for FLOW for is IVOL | water and under the "In Use" = column, it state 'Yes'. This is being specified automatically. However, for= the rest of the pollutants, the "In Use" column has 'No' and there's nothi= ng under "Target Member". Should the Target Member be "IVOL" as well? I would really appreciate a response. Thanks, Roop ________________________________ From: Biswarup Guha Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:23 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Point Source File Hi, I've a quick question regarding creating the point sources file. The WinHSP= F manual states that the loads should be in lbs/hr. However I am using a da= ily interval and was wondering first of all if I can do that and if so shou= ld I use lbs/day as the load unit. Also, in the manual an example is given = for an ASCII load input. Can I use a wdm with the loads and flows? Thanks, Roop ________________________________ This electronic message, and any attachments transmitted with it, may conta= in privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended to be viewed = only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized= review, use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is = strictly prohibited. ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go= v OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.p= l to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ________________________________ This electronic message, and any attachments transmitted with it, may conta= in privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended to be viewed = only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized= review, use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is = strictly prohibited. --_000_0D45E17D56F3E445825717FF956BDF740FF9E138DBshelterhydroq_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
I think I got my answer to one of= my questions. I created a wdm file with all the parameters and declared th= e file name in the *uci file as WDM3. Now when I click on the point sources, I get all the parameters which I added in th= e wdm file. I have a few questions hereon:
 
1) In the wdm is the DSN spe= cific for particlar parameter the way it is in the met.wdm? e.g Flow is in = DSN 1, TSS in DSN 2 etc.?
2) The "Target Member" = for FLOW for is IVOL | water and under the "In Use" column, it st= ate 'Yes'. This is being specified automatically. However, for the rest of the pollutants, the "In Use" column has 'No' and there's= nothing under "Target Member". Should the Target Member be "= ;IVOL" as well?
 
I would really appreciate a respo= nse.
 
Thanks,
Roop
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From: Biswarup Guha
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:23 PM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] Point Source File

Hi,
 
I've a quick question regarding c= reating the point sources file. The WinHSPF manual states that the loads sh= ould be in lbs/hr. However I am using a daily interval and was wondering first of all if I can do that and if so should = I use lbs/day as the load unit. Also, in the manual an example is given for= an ASCII load input. Can I use a wdm with the loads and flows?
 
Thanks,
 
Roop

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------=_Part_11289_8857931.1214607984585-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 53 X-lyris-Id: 171275 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:34:58 -0400 From: Biswarup Guha Subject: RE: PEST Hi all, Has anybody come across the following error: "Run-time error '457': This key is already associated with an element of th= is collection." I am getting this when I am trying to add the pollutants. When I close the = error window, the HSPF window is also closing and a window with 'Parent pro= cess exited' at the top pops up saying the following: "access:DIRECT form:UNFORMATTED r/w:NO recl: 2048 17:20:43 File Status at at end of File Closing in M_ACTSCN 17:20:43 unit 99 file ERROR.FIL is open, access:SEQUENTIAL form:FORMATT= ED r/w:YES recl: 80 17:20:44 unit 100 file C:\Basins\models\HSPF\bin\hspfmsg.wdm is open, ac= cess:DIRECT form:UNFORMATTED r/w:NO recl: 2048 17:20:44 M_ACTSCN:exit 0 17:20:44 File Status at after activate, retcod:0 i:-2 MSG7 unit 99 file ERROR.FIL is open, access:SEQUENTIAL form:FORMATTED r/= w:YES recl: 80 17:20:44 unit 100 file C:\Basins\models\HSPF\bin\hspfmsg.wdm is open, ac= cess:DIRECT form:UNFORMATTED r/w:NO recl: 2048 17:20:44 Show" Could someone help me debugging this? I'd really appreciate your help. Thanks, Roop. -----Original Message----- From: jferrari@al.umces.edu [mailto:jferrari@al.umces.edu] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:37 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] PEST My first guess is that your parameter ranges should be expanded to allow PE= ST more room in finding objective function minima. OR, your simulation is getting trapped in a local objective function minima- try changing your initial parameter values or use the PDMS2 driver = to run PEST multiple times to obtain the global objective function minima. Good luck! Joe > Hello all. > > I am currently using PEST to aid in a calibration. After running > PEST through the WinHSPF interface the objective function is being > lowered to a number that is still in the hundreds of thousands. (My > starting phi is 2.42602E+06) I have tried running PEST manually and > have tried increasing the number of log-transformed (vs. tied) > parameters as well as increasing the initial Marquardt lambda and > manipulating other values in the pest control file. I've also very > thoroughly read through Section 5.5 of the PEST manual ("If PEST Won't > Optimise") but I am still getting a phi of 1.89242E+05 (or 189,242) > when PEST has completed its work. Does anyone have any suggestions as > to why the objective function is not getting anywhere near zero? > > Your advice is much appreciated. > > Lauren > > > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at > basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ Joseph Ferrari Faculty Research Assistant UMCES Appalachian Laboratory 301 Braddock Road Frostburg, MD 21532 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go= v OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.p= l to manage your subscription. 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