Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8A07oX11637; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <58948C84.0C6C4955.0006CB3C@netscape.net> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: tjjhjr@netscape.net (tom harrison) To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:7956] RE: Understanding Cultural Differences Classroom Virtual Visit Project X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Status: O Content-Length: 6495 Lines: 145 tjjhjr wrote: >thanks to those who read and thought > >to be clearer....writing, "...let the children suffer under the yoke of those riding the gravy train of their salaries on the backs of exploited (ESL)children..." has NOTHING to do with Adult Educators.... > >"...go teach your adults..." and "..all so smugly silent..." DOES however reflect my personal experience and feelings about my encounters at conferences with TESOL people (and some here on the list)...."k-12 is hopeless"///"you should get out"///"what do you want us to do"///"we can't get involved here at the university"///"we can't get involved".... > >i really like the man who wrote back (long ago)that all of my kids and their entire families should back to wherever it was they came from and learn English there, so his tax dollars would not be wasted teaching them English here....this is also word for word what a former landlord told me > >there were several hearings throughout the country since last Feb by the Pres's Comm on Ed Excell for Hisp Amerns....i was told 2 people testified ...in total > >there is a list serve in pa for the Ed. Reform Network......and when i write comments in there ..... NO ONE WRITES/// ANYTHING ///BACK ..... they are all Sch Supts or state workers or Intermediate Unit workers or Fed workers....but i was told they can not comment because they might lose their jobs....remember in pa there is no ESL Certification and until this school year, if you were certified in another state ..... the PDE would not let u work in pa.... > >md was a heart breaking experience, and it saddens me to see people not read what i wrote closely and get so acerbic /// but they must have felt trodden upon and so for that misunderstanding i'll say i'm sorry i did not express myself better.....about who was riding what train > >but i wrote what i felt as best i could in that moment and perhaps some good will come of it....i have always believed that most, if not all of the members work hard at what they do and do it because they are not that interested in junk bonds...and i am very sorry i have not expressed that before.....a bad assumption on my part...... > >and to close....please see the attachment....i did ask this time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >tjjhjr@netscape.net (tom harrison) wrote: > >>that's great...but somebody shuld ask those folks in Frederick MD if they are going to keep the ESL kids out of the media room like they used to ....you know we can't have those little Spanish speaking hoodlums learning anything on real computers...better let them use those Apple II computers in Mr. Harrison's portable...he's a prov first year teacher..he'll do what we tell him to ...he'd never report us to OCR......hah >> >>great idea....but some people's agenda does not let ESL children do this...and you are all so smugly silent......go teach your adults and let the children suffer under the yoke of those riding the gravy train of their salaries on the backs of exploited children >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>"David J. Rosen" <DJRosen@theworld.com> wrote: >> >>>NIFL-ESL Colleagues, and others, >>> >>> We will soon begin the fourth cycle of our International School and >>>Classroom Virtual Visit Project. This time it's called the >>>_Understanding Cultural Differences School Virtual Visit Project_ >>>because adult learners, and young people in elementary and secondary >>>schools, will not only share with their partner schools pictures and >>>writing about themselves, their school and their community, but they >>>will also choose a cultural understanding theme to discuss. The project >>>is designed for students who would like to collaborate and learn in a >>>global environment using e-mail and the World Wide Web, and who would >>>like to discuss strategies for overcoming cultural misunderstanding, >>>ending cultural conflicts, and/or bringing about world peace. >>> >>>Here's how it works: your class will be matched with a class in another >>>part of the country or world. Here's what each class will do: >>> >>> * Step 1: You and your students make a Web page of a tour of your >>>class, school and community. You'll need access to a digital camera (or >>>a regular camera and scanner) and you, your students, or someone will >>>need to make and put up Web pages. >>> >>> * Step 2: Your class looks at the Web page tour of your partner >>>class and then your students email the students in your partner class >>>questions about their community and ideas for overcoming cultural >>>misunderstanding. Partner class students also e-mail you their questions >>>about your Web page tour, your class, school, and community, and about >>>the theme for discussion. >>> >>> * Step 3: You answer each others' questions by e-mail, and possibly >>>continue back and forth with more questions and answers. >>> >>> *Step 4: You compile the questions and answers on a Web page and >>>link these to your original Web page tour. All this generally takes 3 - >>>5 months. >>> >>>If it sounds like a project you would like to learn more about and >>>possibly participate in, sign up on the International Classroom Virtual >>>Visit electronic list at the bottom of the Web page: >>> >>> http://lists.literacytent.org/mailman/listinfo/icvv >>> >>>We look forward to having you and your students as part of this year's >>>project. Also, please feel free to pass this message on to other colleagues. >>> >>> >>>Susan Gaer >>>Santa Ana College >>>sgaer@yahoo.com >>> >>>David J. Rosen >>>Adult Literacy Resource Institute >>>david@alri.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>__________________________________________________________________ >>The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. 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