Here are the messages between 20070201 and 20070228 41. Re: HSPF run error 42. Re: Error 215 111 43. MUTSIN Block 44. RE: MUTSIN Block 45. RE: MUTSIN Block 46. BASINS/HSPF Training Workshop Announcement 47. qestion regarding phcarb 48. RE: qestion regarding phcarb 49. Re: qestion regarding phcarb 50. RE: question regarding phcarb 51. RE: qestion regarding phcarb 52. DDQAL and low flows 53. Problem with WDM file corruption 54. Basins 4 - ArcGIS 55. WinHSPF, oscillations in the runoff hydrograph? 56. BASINS4.0 Release Candidate Available for Testing 57. wetland simulation 58. Re: wetland simulation 59. Re: wetland simulation 60. Re: wetland simulation 61. Re: Automatic Delineation error 62. surface area interpolation 63. RE: Automatic Delineation error ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 41 X-lyris-Id: 151111 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:51:43 +0000 From: "harshad patel" Subject: Re: HSPF run error

 

Hello,

I am getting below error message during HSPF run. Model run stops at schematic block. So it seems to me this error related with schematic block. I have check spacing also. Any idea about this error.

************************************************************************* ***********

* *

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 211 23 *

* *

* The text ' RCHRES ' is not recognized as a heading, operation-type *

* or delimiter, and thus will be ignored. Is it misspelled or placed *

* in the wrong fields? *

* *

***************************************************************************** *******


Thanks and looking quick help.

Regards
-Harshad Patel

905 882 4211 ext 686


Windows Live Spaces: Share your New Year pictures! share your New Year pictures! ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 42 X-lyris-Id: 151238 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:32:25 +0000 From: "harshad patel" Subject: Re: Error 215 111

Hello Everyone,

Any one have idea about this error message. Please reply me.

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* *

* ERROR/WARNING ID: 215 111 *

* *

* The time series group-name INFLOW, for operation ID PERLND, 19, *

* encountered in the ext sources, network or ext targets blocks, is invalid. *

* Was it placed in the wrong columns? *

* *

***************************************************************************** *******

Thanks.

-Harshad Patel

One Care: free Trial Version Today! ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 43 X-lyris-Id: 151368 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:29:44 -0800 From: "Jocelyn Ramsey" Subject: MUTSIN Block Hello all, I am trying to update a WDM file using the MUTSIN BLOCK but I haven?t been successful. I have a discrepancy between the original (text file) data and the data loaded into the WDM. An example below: Hour Original Data WDM Data 1 10 10 2 10 10 3 10 10 4 10 10 5 10 10 6 10 0 I have tried several things and nothing seems to fix this. Any ideas please?????? Thanks Jocelyn NOTE: This is how my UCI file looks like: *********************************** RUN GLOBAL Importing weather data file ******* START 2005/09/01 00:00 END 2006/09/07 24:00 RUN INTERP OUTPT LEVELS 3 2 RESUME 0 RUN 1 UNITS 2 END GLOBAL FILES ***<----FILE NAME-------------------------------------------------> WDM 21 Met-Input.WDM MESSU 22 ImMet.ECH 31 Precipitation101.met 32 Precipitation102.met 33 Precipitation103.met 34 Precipitation104.met 35 Precipitation105.met 36 Precipitation106.met END FILES OPN SEQUENCE INGRP INDELT 01:00 MUTSIN 1 MUTSIN 2 MUTSIN 3 MUTSIN 4 MUTSIN 5 MUTSIN 6 END INGRP END OPN SEQUENCE MUTSIN MUTSINFO *** MUTSIN MFL NPT NMN NLI MSFG *** x - x 1 31 1 0 10 1 2 32 1 0 10 1 3 33 1 0 10 1 4 34 1 0 10 1 5 35 1 0 10 1 6 36 1 0 10 1 END MUTSINFO END MUTSIN EXT TARGETS <-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult-->Tran <-Volume-> Tsys Aggr Amd *** x x x<-factor->strg x qf tem strg strg*** MUTSIN 1 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 101 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 2 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 102 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 3 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 103 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 4 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 104 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 5 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 105 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 6 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 106 PREC METR ADD END EXT TARGETS END RUN ******** ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 44 X-lyris-Id: 151369 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:13:14 -0500 From: "Brannan, Kevin" Subject: RE: MUTSIN Block Hi Jocelyn, I would suggest using MEAN times-series in your MUTSIN BLOCK, such as: MUTSIN MUTSINFO *** MUTSIN MFL NPT NMN NLI MSFG *** x - x 1 31 0 1 10 1 2 32 0 1 10 1 3 33 0 1 10 1 4 34 0 1 10 1 5 35 0 1 10 1 6 36 0 1 10 1 END MUTSINFO END MUTSIN Also, make sure the number lines in the header is correct (NLI =3D 10). Hope this helps, Kevin =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Ramsey [mailto:jocelyn.ramsey@powelminimax.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:30 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] MUTSIN Block Hello all, I am trying to update a WDM file using the MUTSIN BLOCK but I haven?t been successful. I have a discrepancy between the original (text file) data and the data loaded into the WDM. An example below: Hour Original Data WDM Data 1 10 10 2 10 10 3 10 10 4 10 10 5 10 10 6 10 0 I have tried several things and nothing seems to fix this. Any ideas please?????? Thanks Jocelyn NOTE: This is how my UCI file looks like: *********************************** RUN GLOBAL Importing weather data file ******* START 2005/09/01 00:00 END 2006/09/07 24:00 RUN INTERP OUTPT LEVELS 3 2 RESUME 0 RUN 1 UNITS 2 END GLOBAL FILES ***<----FILE NAME-------------------------------------------------> WDM 21 Met-Input.WDM MESSU 22 ImMet.ECH 31 Precipitation101.met 32 Precipitation102.met 33 Precipitation103.met 34 Precipitation104.met 35 Precipitation105.met 36 Precipitation106.met END FILES OPN SEQUENCE INGRP INDELT 01:00 MUTSIN 1 MUTSIN 2 MUTSIN 3 MUTSIN 4 MUTSIN 5 MUTSIN 6 END INGRP END OPN SEQUENCE MUTSIN MUTSINFO *** MUTSIN MFL NPT NMN NLI MSFG *** x - x 1 31 1 0 10 1 2 32 1 0 10 1 3 33 1 0 10 1 4 34 1 0 10 1 5 35 1 0 10 1 6 36 1 0 10 1 END MUTSINFO END MUTSIN EXT TARGETS <-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult-->Tran <-Volume-> Tsys Aggr Amd *** x x x<-factor->strg x qf tem strg strg*** MUTSIN 1 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 101 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 2 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 102 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 3 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 103 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 4 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 104 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 5 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 105 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 6 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 106 PREC METR ADD END EXT TARGETS END RUN ******** ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 45 X-lyris-Id: 151413 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:26:09 -0800 From: "Jocelyn Ramsey" Subject: RE: MUTSIN Block Thanks Kevin for your suggestion. I'll try that. Jocelyn -----Original Message----- From: Brannan, Kevin [mailto:kbrannan@vt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:13 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: RE: [basinsinfo] MUTSIN Block Hi Jocelyn, I would suggest using MEAN times-series in your MUTSIN BLOCK, such as: MUTSIN MUTSINFO *** MUTSIN MFL NPT NMN NLI MSFG *** x - x 1 31 0 1 10 1 2 32 0 1 10 1 3 33 0 1 10 1 4 34 0 1 10 1 5 35 0 1 10 1 6 36 0 1 10 1 END MUTSINFO END MUTSIN Also, make sure the number lines in the header is correct (NLI = 10). Hope this helps, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Jocelyn Ramsey [mailto:jocelyn.ramsey@powelminimax.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:30 PM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] MUTSIN Block Hello all, I am trying to update a WDM file using the MUTSIN BLOCK but I haven?t been successful. I have a discrepancy between the original (text file) data and the data loaded into the WDM. An example below: Hour Original Data WDM Data 1 10 10 2 10 10 3 10 10 4 10 10 5 10 10 6 10 0 I have tried several things and nothing seems to fix this. Any ideas please?????? Thanks Jocelyn NOTE: This is how my UCI file looks like: *********************************** RUN GLOBAL Importing weather data file ******* START 2005/09/01 00:00 END 2006/09/07 24:00 RUN INTERP OUTPT LEVELS 3 2 RESUME 0 RUN 1 UNITS 2 END GLOBAL FILES ***<----FILE NAME-------------------------------------------------> WDM 21 Met-Input.WDM MESSU 22 ImMet.ECH 31 Precipitation101.met 32 Precipitation102.met 33 Precipitation103.met 34 Precipitation104.met 35 Precipitation105.met 36 Precipitation106.met END FILES OPN SEQUENCE INGRP INDELT 01:00 MUTSIN 1 MUTSIN 2 MUTSIN 3 MUTSIN 4 MUTSIN 5 MUTSIN 6 END INGRP END OPN SEQUENCE MUTSIN MUTSINFO *** MUTSIN MFL NPT NMN NLI MSFG *** x - x 1 31 1 0 10 1 2 32 1 0 10 1 3 33 1 0 10 1 4 34 1 0 10 1 5 35 1 0 10 1 6 36 1 0 10 1 END MUTSINFO END MUTSIN EXT TARGETS <-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult-->Tran <-Volume-> Tsys Aggr Amd *** x x x<-factor->strg x qf tem strg strg*** MUTSIN 1 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 101 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 2 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 102 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 3 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 103 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 4 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 104 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 5 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 105 PREC METR ADD MUTSIN 6 OUTPUT POINT 1 AVER WDM 106 PREC METR ADD END EXT TARGETS END RUN ******** ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. 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OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 46 X-lyris-Id: 151464 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:35:27 -0500 From: "Paul Duda" Subject: BASINS/HSPF Training Workshop Announcement BASINS/HSPF TRAINING WORKSHOP JUNE 11-15, 2007 SANTA CLARA, CA http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/basins/training-200706.htm This EPA-sponsored workshop will be led by expert instructors from AQUA TERRA Consultants and Utah State University. The workshop will consist of approximately 50 percent lecture and 50 percent computer exercises, and will focus on the application of HSPF through EPA?s BASINS system. Course Dates and Duration This 4-1/2 day workshop will be held June 11-15, 2007. Location The course will be held at the following location in Santa Clara, CA: Ready Serve/Techmart 5201 Great America Parkway Santa Clara, CA 95054 www.readyserve.com See web site for location and directions. Course Schedule The 4-1/2 day course is scheduled as follows: Monday, 1:00pm - 5:00 pm (On-site Check In/Registration 12:00 - 1:00 pm) Tuesday - Thursday, 8:30 am - 5:00 pm Friday, 8:30 am - 4:00 pm Registration The workshop is free, but space is limited and prior registration is required. To request space in the workshop, please email Doris Jean Quiring (djquiring@aquaterra.com) at AQUA TERRA Consultants (phone: 650-962-1864). To complete the registration process you MUST submit the following: - a brief statement explaining your interest in BASINS/HSPF - name, title, organization and address - contact information: phone, fax, email Registration requests must be received by 4 May 2007. Final registrants will be confirmed and notified of their acceptance by 11 May 2007, at the latest and provided travel and hotel information at that time. Prerequisites Workshop participants should have a basic understanding of watershed hydrology and water quality processes. Accommodations Local hotel information will be provided to registrants in May when confirmed. Travel The San Jose Airport is about 5 miles from the Workshop location, and the San Francisco Airport is about 30 miles. ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 47 X-lyris-Id: 151552 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:02:06 -0600 From: "Brent F" Subject: qestion regarding phcarb ------=_Part_38599_31386929.1171036926544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ladies and Gentlemen I have a question regrading the HSPF module phcarb. The issue I am having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid 5's. I've made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little to no result. Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic "Determination of pH requires simulation of alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total inorganic carbon" Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC = TIC + DELTCD (6) where: TIC = total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)" And deltcd "DELTCD = ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000. where: DELTCD = net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval) ATCO2 = CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval) ZCO2 = CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg CO2-C/l per interval) ALGCO2 = CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval) DECCO2 = CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval) BENCO2 = benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval) 12000. = conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l" I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the simulation is adjusted accordingly I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph module. I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail. Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control the ph of the simulation? Thank you Brent Frounfelker ------=_Part_38599_31386929.1171036926544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ladies and Gentlemen

I have a question regrading the HSPF module phcarb.  The issue I am having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid 5's.  I've made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little to no result.  Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic  "Determination of pH requires simulation of alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total inorganic carbon"

Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC = TIC + DELTCD (6) where: TIC = total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)"

And deltcd

"DELTCD = ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000.
 where: DELTCD = net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ATCO2 = CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ZCO2 = CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
ALGCO2 = CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
DECCO2 = CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
BENCO2 = benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
12000. = conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l"

I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the simulation is adjusted accordingly
I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph module.

I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail.

Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control the ph of the simulation?

Thank you
Brent Frounfelker
------=_Part_38599_31386929.1171036926544-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 48 X-lyris-Id: 151578 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:14:50 -0500 From: "Hagerman, James Ray" Subject: RE: qestion regarding phcarb If your pH numbers are that low, you probably don't have any = alkalinity. A likely problem is that the alkalinity, which is usually = generated as a PQUAL (in PERLND) and maybe an IQUAL (in IMPLND) is not = passed correctly to an ICON (in RCHRES), or from the ICON to PHCARB. =20 PQUAL and IQUAL values must be read to an ICON in a mass link block, = then the correct ICON number must be assigned to ALCON in PHCARB. In the = following example, PQUAL 1 and POQUAL 6 are read into ICON 1. ALKCON is = set to 1 in PH-PARM1 so that ICON 1 is read as alkalinity. MASS-LINK 2 <-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult--> <-Target vols> <-Grp> = <-Member-> *** x x<-factor-> = x x *** PERLND PQUAL POQUAL 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON = 1 IMPLND IQUAL SOQUAL 6 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON = 1 1 Hope that helps. Jim Hagerman, TVA ________________________________________ From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:02 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] qestion regarding phcarb Ladies and Gentlemen I have a question regarding the HSPF module phcarb.=A0 The issue I am = having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid = 5's.=A0 I've made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system = with little to no result.=A0 Based on my reading in the manual my only = other course is co2/tic=A0 "Determination of pH requires simulation of = alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total inorganic carbon" Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC =3D TIC + DELTCD (6) = where: TIC =3D total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)"=20 And deltcd "DELTCD =3D ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000.=20 =A0where: DELTCD =3D net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval)=20 ATCO2 =3D CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval)=20 ZCO2 =3D CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg = CO2-C/l per interval)=20 ALGCO2 =3D CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval) = DECCO2 =3D CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval)=20 BENCO2 =3D benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval)=20 12000. =3D conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l" I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the = simulation is adjusted accordingly I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph = module.=20 I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and = ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail. Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control = the ph of the simulation?=20 Thank you Brent Frounfelker ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed = to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe = basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface = at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. = OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at = basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov = ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 49 X-lyris-Id: 151649 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:46:28 -0600 From: "Brent F" Subject: Re: qestion regarding phcarb ------=_Part_66931_8936055.1171298788762 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Added the suggested "icon" modules mass-link now reads as follows...unfortunately this did not appreciably help my ph values. PERLND PWATER PERO 0 0 0.0833333 RCHRES INFLOW IVOL 0 0 PERLND PWTGAS PODOXM 0 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW OXIF 1 0 PERLND PWTGAS POHT 0 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW IHEAT 1 0 PERLND PEST POPST 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW IDQAL 1 0 PERLND PEST SOSDPS 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ISQAL 1 1 PERLND PEST SOSDPS 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ISQAL 2 1 PERLND PEST SOSDPS 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ISQAL 3 1 PERLND SEDMNT SOSED 1 0 0.05 RCHRES INFLOW ISED 1 0 PERLND SEDMNT SOSED 1 0 0.55 RCHRES INFLOW ISED 2 0 PERLND SEDMNT SOSED 1 0 0.4 RCHRES INFLOW ISED 3 0 PERLND PQUAL POQUAL 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON 1 0 Do you have any other suggestions? Brent On 2/9/07, Hagerman, James Ray wrote: > > If your pH numbers are that low, you probably don't have any > alkalinity. A likely problem is that the alkalinity, which is usually > generated as a PQUAL (in PERLND) and maybe an IQUAL (in IMPLND) is not > passed correctly to an ICON (in RCHRES), or from the ICON to PHCARB. > > PQUAL and IQUAL values must be read to an ICON in a mass link block, then > the correct ICON number must be assigned to ALCON in PHCARB. In the > following example, PQUAL 1 and POQUAL 6 are read into ICON 1. ALKCON is set > to 1 in PH-PARM1 so that ICON 1 is read as alkalinity. > > > MASS-LINK 2 > <-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult--> <-Target vols> <-Grp> > <-Member-> *** > x x<-factor-> x > x *** > PERLND PQUAL POQUAL 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON 1 > IMPLND IQUAL SOQUAL 6 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON 1 > 1 > > Hope that helps. > > Jim Hagerman, TVA > ________________________________________ > From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:02 AM > To: Private list for BASINS users > Subject: [basinsinfo] qestion regarding phcarb > > Ladies and Gentlemen > > I have a question regarding the HSPF module phcarb. The issue I am having > is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid 5's. I've > made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little to no > result. Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic > "Determination of pH requires simulation of alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and > total inorganic carbon" > > Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC = TIC + DELTCD (6) > where: TIC = total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)" > > And deltcd > > "DELTCD = ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000. > where: DELTCD = net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval) > ATCO2 = CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval) > ZCO2 = CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg CO2-C/l > per interval) > ALGCO2 = CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval) > DECCO2 = CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval) > BENCO2 = benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval) > 12000. = conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l" > > I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the > simulation is adjusted accordingly > I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph module. > > I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and ground > water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail. > > Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control > the ph of the simulation? > > Thank you > Brent Frounfelker > ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to > the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe > basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface > at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ > ------=_Part_66931_8936055.1171298788762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Added the suggested "icon" modules mass-link now reads as follows...unfortunately this did not appreciably help my ph values.

PERLND    PWATER    PERO    0    0    0.0833333    RCHRES    INFLOW    IVOL    0    0
PERLND    PWTGAS    PODOXM    0    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    OXIF    1    0
PERLND    PWTGAS    POHT    0    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    IHEAT    1    0
PERLND    PEST    POPST    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    IDQAL    1    0
PERLND    PEST    SOSDPS    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISQAL    1    1
PERLND    PEST    SOSDPS    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISQAL    2    1
PERLND    PEST    SOSDPS    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISQAL    3    1
PERLND    SEDMNT    SOSED    1    0    0.05    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISED    1    0
PERLND    SEDMNT    SOSED    1    0    0.55    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISED    2    0
PERLND    SEDMNT    SOSED    1    0    0.4    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISED    3    0
PERLND    PQUAL    POQUAL    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    ICON    1    0


Do you have any other suggestions?
Brent



On 2/9/07, Hagerman, James Ray <jrhagerman@tva.gov> wrote:
If your pH numbers are that low, you probably don't have any alkalinity.  A likely problem is that the alkalinity, which is usually generated as a PQUAL (in PERLND) and maybe an IQUAL (in IMPLND) is not passed correctly to an ICON (in RCHRES), or from the ICON to PHCARB.

PQUAL and IQUAL values must be read to an ICON in a mass link block, then the correct ICON number must be assigned to ALCON in PHCARB. In the following example, PQUAL 1 and POQUAL 6 are read into ICON 1.  ALKCON is set to 1 in PH-PARM1 so that ICON 1 is read as alkalinity.


  MASS-LINK         ;2
<-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult-->     <-Target vols> <-Grp> <-Member->  ***
<Name>     &nb sp;      <Name> x x<-factor->     <Name>           &n bsp;    <Name> x x  ***
PERLND     PQUAL  POQUAL 1             & nbsp;   RCHRES         INFLOW ICON   1
IMPLND     IQUAL  SOQUAL 6 1             & nbsp; RCHRES         INFLOW ICON   1 1

Hope that helps.

Jim Hagerman, TVA
________________________________________
From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:02 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] qestion regarding phcarb

Ladies and Gentlemen

I have a question regarding the HSPF module phcarb. The issue I am having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid 5's. I've made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little to no result. Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic "Determination of pH requires simulation of alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total inorganic carbon"

Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC = TIC + DELTCD (6) where: TIC = total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)"

And deltcd

"DELTCD = ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000.
where: DELTCD = net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ATCO2 = CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ZCO2 = CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
ALGCO2 = CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
DECCO2 = CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
BENCO2 = benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
12000. = conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l"

I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the simulation is adjusted accordingly
I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph module.

I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail.

Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control the ph of the simulation?

Thank you
Brent Frounfelker
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------=_Part_66931_8936055.1171298788762-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 50 X-lyris-Id: 151695 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:47:17 -0500 From: "Hagerman, James Ray" Subject: RE: question regarding phcarb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74F9F.62BEE5DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess the next thing to do is to create an output of CON 1 concentration so that you can see if it getting where it is supposed to. You can also look at the CO2 and inorganic carbon time series to see if they are making sense. =20 =20 Jim Hagerman =20 ________________________________ From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:46 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] qestion regarding phcarb =20 Added the suggested "icon" modules mass-link now reads as follows...unfortunately this did not appreciably help my ph values. PERLND PWATER PERO 0 0 0.0833333 RCHRES INFLOW IVOL 0 0=20 PERLND PWTGAS PODOXM 0 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW OXIF 1 0 PERLND PWTGAS POHT 0 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW IHEAT 1 0 PERLND PEST POPST 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW IDQAL 1 0=20 PERLND PEST SOSDPS 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ISQAL 1 1 PERLND PEST SOSDPS 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ISQAL 2 1 PERLND PEST SOSDPS 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ISQAL 3 1=20 PERLND SEDMNT SOSED 1 0 0.05 RCHRES INFLOW ISED 1 0 PERLND SEDMNT SOSED 1 0 0.55 RCHRES INFLOW ISED 2 0 PERLND SEDMNT SOSED 1 0 0.4 RCHRES INFLOW ISED 3 0=20 PERLND PQUAL POQUAL 1 0 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON 1 0 Do you have any other suggestions? Brent On 2/9/07, Hagerman, James Ray wrote: If your pH numbers are that low, you probably don't have any alkalinity. A likely problem is that the alkalinity, which is usually generated as a PQUAL (in PERLND) and maybe an IQUAL (in IMPLND) is not passed correctly to an ICON (in RCHRES), or from the ICON to PHCARB.=20 PQUAL and IQUAL values must be read to an ICON in a mass link block, then the correct ICON number must be assigned to ALCON in PHCARB. In the following example, PQUAL 1 and POQUAL 6 are read into ICON 1. ALKCON is set to 1 in PH-PARM1 so that ICON 1 is read as alkalinity.=20 MASS-LINK 2 <-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult--> <-Target vols> <-Grp> <-Member-> *** x x<-factor-> x x ***=20 PERLND PQUAL POQUAL 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON 1 IMPLND IQUAL SOQUAL 6 1 RCHRES INFLOW ICON 1 1 Hope that helps. Jim Hagerman, TVA ________________________________________=20 From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:02 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] qestion regarding phcarb=20 Ladies and Gentlemen I have a question regarding the HSPF module phcarb. The issue I am having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid 5's. I've made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little to no result. Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic "Determination of pH requires simulation of alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total inorganic carbon"=20 Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC =3D TIC + DELTCD (6) where: TIC =3D total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)" And deltcd "DELTCD =3D ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000.=20 where: DELTCD =3D net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval) ATCO2 =3D CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval) ZCO2 =3D CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg = CO2-C/l per interval) ALGCO2 =3D CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval) = DECCO2 =3D CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval) BENCO2 =3D benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval) 12000. =3D conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l" I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the simulation is adjusted accordingly=20 I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph module. I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail. Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control the ph of the simulation? Thank you Brent Frounfelker ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. 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I guess the next thing to do is to = create an output of  CON 1 concentration so that you can see if it getting = where it is supposed to.  You can also look at the CO2 and inorganic carbon = time series to see if they are making sense. 

 

Jim Hagerman

 

From: Brent = F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February = 12, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Private list for = BASINS users
Subject: Re: [basinsinfo] = qestion regarding phcarb

 

Added the = suggested "icon" modules mass-link now reads as follows...unfortunately = this did not appreciably help my ph values.

PERLND    PWATER    PERO    0    0    0.0833333    RCHRES    INFLOW    IVOL    0    0
PERLND    PWTGAS    = PODOXM    0    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    OXIF    1    0
PERLND    PWTGAS    POHT    0    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    = IHEAT    1    0
PERLND    PEST    POPST    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    = IDQAL    1    0
PERLND    PEST    SOSDPS    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    = ISQAL    1    1
PERLND    PEST    SOSDPS    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    = ISQAL    2    1
PERLND    PEST    SOSDPS    1    0    1    RCHRES    INFLOW    = ISQAL    3    1
PERLND    SEDMNT    = SOSED    1    0    0.05    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISED    1    0
PERLND    SEDMNT    = SOSED    1    0    0.55    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISED    2    0
PERLND    SEDMNT    = SOSED    1    0    0.4    RCHRES    INFLOW    ISED    3    0
PERLND    PQUAL    = POQUAL    1    0    1    = RCHRES    INFLOW    ICON    1    = 0


Do you have any other suggestions?
Brent


On 2/9/07, Hagerman, James Ray <jrhagerman@tva.gov> wrote:

If your pH numbers are that low, you probably don't have any alkalinity.  A likely problem is that the alkalinity, which is usually generated as a PQUAL (in PERLND) and maybe an IQUAL (in IMPLND) = is not passed correctly to an ICON (in RCHRES), or from the ICON to PHCARB. =

PQUAL and IQUAL values must be read to an ICON in a mass link block, = then the correct ICON number must be assigned to ALCON in PHCARB. In the = following example, PQUAL 1 and POQUAL 6 are read into ICON 1.  ALKCON is = set to 1 in PH-PARM1 so that ICON 1 is read as alkalinity.


  MASS-LINK        2 <-Volume-> <-Grp> <-Member-><--Mult-->     <-Target = vols> <-Grp> <-Member->  ***
<Name>          &= nbsp; <Name> x x<-factor->     <Name>          &= nbsp;     <Name> x x  ***
PERLND     PQUAL  POQUAL 1            =      RCHRES         INFLOW = ICON   1
IMPLND     IQUAL  SOQUAL 6 1            =    RCHRES         INFLOW = ICON   1 1

Hope that helps.

Jim Hagerman, TVA
________________________________________
From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:02 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] qestion regarding phcarb

Ladies and Gentlemen

I have a question regarding the HSPF module phcarb. The issue I am = having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid 5's. I've = made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little to no result. = Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic = "Determination of pH requires simulation of alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total = inorganic carbon"

Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC =3D TIC + DELTCD = (6) where: TIC =3D total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)"

And deltcd

"DELTCD =3D ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000.
where: DELTCD =3D net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ATCO2 =3D CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ZCO2 =3D CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg = CO2-C/l per interval)
ALGCO2 =3D CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval) =
DECCO2 =3D CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
BENCO2 =3D benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
12000. =3D conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l"

I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the = simulation is adjusted accordingly
I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph = module.

I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and = ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail.

Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control = the ph of the simulation?

Thank you
Brent Frounfelker
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C74F9F.62BEE5DD-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 51 X-lyris-Id: 151718 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:07:30 -0600 From: "Ali Saleh" Subject: RE: qestion regarding phcarb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C75052.3BB06192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, =20 This is a reminder about the Forth "TMDL and Water Quality" conference during March 10-14, 2007 in San Antonio, Texas. There are a number of workshops, including SWAT 2007, that would be offered during this conference. The following link provides the information about this conference. Thanks. =20 =20 http://www.asabe.org/meetings/tmdl2007/index.htm Best Regards=20 Ali Saleh, Ph.D.=20 Texas Institute for Applied Environmental Research=20 P.O. Box T410=20 Tarleton State University=20 Stephenville, TX 76402=20 Phone: (254)968-9799=20 Fax: (254)968-9790=20 E-mail: saleh@tiaer.tarleton.edu=20 ________________________________ From: Brent F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:02 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: [basinsinfo] qestion regarding phcarb =20 Ladies and Gentlemen I have a question regrading the HSPF module phcarb. The issue I am having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid 5's. I've made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little to no result. Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic "Determination of pH requires simulation of alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total inorganic carbon" Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC =3D TIC + DELTCD (6) where: TIC =3D total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)"=20 And deltcd "DELTCD =3D ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000.=20 where: DELTCD =3D net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval)=20 ATCO2 =3D CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval)=20 ZCO2 =3D CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg = CO2-C/l per interval)=20 ALGCO2 =3D CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval) = DECCO2 =3D CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval)=20 BENCO2 =3D benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval)=20 12000. =3D conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l" I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the simulation is adjusted accordingly I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph module.=20 I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail. Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control the ph of the simulation?=20 Thank you Brent Frounfelker ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C75052.3BB06192 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

This is a reminder about the Forth = “TMDL and Water Quality” conference during March 10-14, 2007 in San = Antonio, Texas. There are a number of workshops, including SWAT 2007, that would = be offered during this conference. The following link provides the = information about this conference. Thanks.

 

 

http://www.asabe.org/meetings/tmdl20= 07/index.htm

Best Regards

Ali Saleh, = Ph.D.
Texas Institute for Applied = Environmental Research
P.O. Box T410
Tarleton State University =
Stephenville, TX 76402 =
Phone: (254)968-9799
Fax: (254)968-9790
E-mail: saleh@tiaer.tarleton.edu =

From: Brent = F [mailto:frounfelker@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February = 09, 2007 10:02 AM
To: Private list for = BASINS users
Subject: [basinsinfo] = qestion regarding phcarb

 

Ladies and Gentlemen

I have a question regrading the HSPF module phcarb.  The issue I am = having is excessively low ph values in all reaches; values in the mid = 5's.  I've made several attempts to vary the alkalinity in the system with little = to no result.  Based on my reading in the manual my only other course is co2/tic  "Determination of pH requires simulation of = alkalinity, carbon dioxide, and total inorganic carbon"

Reading a little deeper TIC is determined by "TIC =3D TIC + DELTCD = (6) where: TIC =3D total inorganic carbon (moles C/l)"

And deltcd

"DELTCD =3D ATCO2 + (ZCO2 - ALGCO2 + DECCO2 + BENCO2)/12000.
 where: DELTCD =3D net CO2 flux (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ATCO2 =3D CO2 invasion (moles CO2-C/l per interval)
ZCO2 =3D CO2 released by zooplankton excretion and respiration (mg = CO2-C/l per interval)
ALGCO2 =3D CO2 flux due to net growth of algae (mg CO2-C/l per interval) =
DECCO2 =3D CO2 released by BOD decay (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
BENCO2 =3D benthal release of CO2 (mg CO2-C/l per interval)
12000. =3D conversion from mg CO2-C/l to moles CO2-C/l"

I have empirical data to show that BOD in the system is low and the = simulation is adjusted accordingly
I also assumed algae is negligible and unlinked algae from the ph = module.

I've experimented extensively with co2 values in the inter flow and = ground water in addition to adjusting the invasion rate all to no avail.

Therefore my question is what other parameters might be used to control = the ph of the simulation?

Thank you
Brent Frounfelker
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I think it does not depend on the calibration, because i have check it already,  and neither on the Ftables, I m out of ideas, so, can anybody help me, it is probably one command in the uci file, but i m not sure which one!!!!

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Reg=EDstrate ya - http://corr= eo.espanol.yahoo.com/ --0-774946523-1172369126=:48256-- ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 58 X-lyris-Id: 152146 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:40:19 -0500 From: "Sillah Kargbo" Subject: Re: wetland simulation Hi Jairo, You should simulate the wetland as a reservoir. You need to create an = FTABLE for the wetland to be able to simulate storage-release component of = the wetland. Good luck. G.A. Sillah Kargbo, PhD, P.Eng. Water Resources Engineer, Source Protection Planning Lake Simcoe Region Conservation Authority 120 Bayview Parway Newmarket, Ontario L3Y 3W3 Tel: (905) 967-0112 ext 309 Fax: (905) 967-1265 E-mail: s.kargbo@lsrca.on.ca >>> nelve_cab@yahoo.com 24/02/2007 9:05 pm >>> Hello I am using HSPF to simulate hydrology processes of a watershed in = Mississippi/Alabama with 6% wetland area. The simulated storm hydrographs = are lag behind by one or two days to observed data. How can I simulate = this storage * release component of wetland areas? Any idea will be appreciated Jairo Diaz-Ramirez Ph.D. Student Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Mississippi State University Box 9546 Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546 __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam =A1gratis!=20 Reg=EDstrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/=20 ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver.=20 To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.go= v=20 OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.p= l to manage your=20 subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov= =20 ------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 59 X-lyris-Id: 152197 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:22:53 -0800 From: Driss Ennaanay Subject: Re: wetland simulation Jairo, I had similar concern a year ago when I simulated the wetlands in the Minnesota River Basin. There are two ways to simulate wetlands using HSPF: wetlands as reservoirs and then you will have to develop the FTABLE for each wetland, and wetlands as pervious land then you will have to modify the parameters controlling the surface runoff, percolation, interception, evaporation,.... To better answer this question, you will have to determine what type of wetland you are dealing with, water depth, wetland vegetation and so forth to determine which option is more suitable for your wetland simulation. There are two documents that tackle this issue: MS thesis for Bryan Miller 1999 (wetlands as reservoirs) and Ph.D. thesis for Driss Ennaanay 2006 (wetlands as pervious land). Hope this helps. Driss Jairo Diaz wrote: > > Hello > > I am using HSPF to simulate hydrology processes of a watershed in > Mississippi/Alabama with 6% wetland area. The simulated storm > hydrographs are lag behind by one or two days to observed data. How > can I simulate this storage ? release component of wetland areas? > > Any idea will be appreciated > > Jairo Diaz-Ramirez > Ph.D. Student > Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering > Mississippi State University > Box 9546 > Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546 > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! > Reg?strate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. > > To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to > lyris@lists.epa.gov > OR: > Use the listserver's web interface at > https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your > subscription. > OR > Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov > ------------------------------------------ -- Driss Ennaanay, Ph.D. AQUA TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (650) 962-1864 ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 60 X-lyris-Id: 152198 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:40:13 -0800 From: Tony Donigian Subject: Re: wetland simulation Jairo - The High Water Table option in HSPF also allows an 'FTABLE' type function for generating discharge from overland flow, so it allows you some flexibility to represent the lag/storage you described. Tony ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Donigian AQUA TERRA Consultants 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1314 Mountain View, CA 94043-1115 650-962-1864; fax 650-962-0706 Driss Ennaanay wrote: > > > Jairo, > I had similar concern a year ago when I simulated the wetlands in the > Minnesota River Basin. There are two ways to simulate wetlands using > HSPF: wetlands as reservoirs and then you will have to develop the > FTABLE for each wetland, and wetlands as pervious land then you will > have to modify the parameters controlling the surface runoff, > percolation, interception, evaporation,.... > To better answer this question, you will have to determine what type > of wetland you are dealing with, water depth, wetland vegetation and > so forth to determine which option is more suitable for your wetland > simulation. > There are two documents that tackle this issue: MS thesis for Bryan > Miller 1999 (wetlands as reservoirs) and Ph.D. thesis for Driss > Ennaanay 2006 (wetlands as pervious land). > Hope this helps. > Driss > > Jairo Diaz wrote: > >> >> Hello >> >> I am using HSPF to simulate hydrology processes of a watershed in >> Mississippi/Alabama with 6% wetland area. The simulated storm >> hydrographs are lag behind by one or two days to observed data. How >> can I simulate this storage ? release component of wetland areas? >> >> Any idea will be appreciated >> >> Jairo Diaz-Ramirez >> Ph.D. Student >> Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering >> Mississippi State University >> Box 9546 >> Mississippi State, MS 39762-9546 >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Correo Yahoo! >> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! >> Reg?strate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ >> ------------------------------------------ >> You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. >> >> To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to >> lyris@lists.epa.gov >> OR: >> Use the listserver's web interface at >> https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your >> subscription. >> OR >> Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at >> basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov >> ------------------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 61 X-lyris-Id: 152220 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:57:38 +0000 From: "harshad patel" Subject: Re: Automatic Delineation error


Hello Everyone,

I got error during first step of automatic watershed delineation with BASINS 4.0 and the error is :

"An error while filling the Grid: Attempted to read or write protected Memory. this is often an indication that other memory is corrupt."

I have tried on another computer and I got the same error. Any suggestion are welcome.

 Does anyone have idea how i can get the DEM and other GIS data for Quito, Ecaudor? 

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
-Harshad Patel


Find out the restaurants participating in Winterlicious 2007 ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 62 X-lyris-Id: 152286 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Mary E. Schoen" Subject: surface area interpolation The HSPF output files for each hourly time step show a surface area for my reach that is different from the surface area calculated by interpolating the suface areas entered into my F-Table. The values in the output are larger. Sometimes, 29 times larger. How can I find out how HSPF calculates the surface area? thank you, Mary Schoen ----------------------------------------------------------- X-Message-Number: 63 X-lyris-Id: 152288 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:53:11 -0500 From: "Jack Kittle" Subject: RE: Automatic Delineation error This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C75B15.F1F4EDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This can also be an indication of a problem with your DEM data (ie unprojected coordibates). Could you post your DEM somewhere it can be looked at? Dan Ames, Idaho State University _____ From: harshad patel [mailto:harshadsaroj@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:58 AM To: Private list for BASINS users Subject: Re:[basinsinfo] Automatic Delineation error Hello Everyone, I got error during first step of automatic watershed delineation with BASINS 4.0 and the error is : "An error while filling the Grid: Attempted to read or write protected Memory. this is often an indication that other memory is corrupt." I have tried on another computer and I got the same error. Any suggestion are welcome. Does anyone have idea how i can get the DEM and other GIS data for Quito, Ecaudor? Thanks in advance. Regards, -Harshad Patel _____ ------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to the basinsinfo listserver. To unsubscribe, send the words unsubscribe basinsinfo to lyris@lists.epa.gov OR: Use the listserver's web interface at https://lists.epa.gov/cgi-bin/lyris.pl to manage your subscription. OR Contact the basinsinfo listserver owner at basinsinfo-Owner@lists.epa.gov ------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C75B15.F1F4EDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This can also be an indication of a problem with your DEM data = (ie
unprojected coordibates).  

 

Could you post your DEM somewhere it can be looked at? =

 

Dan Ames, Idaho State University

 

From: = harshad patel [mailto:harshadsaroj@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February = 27, 2007 8:58 AM
To: Private list for BASINS users
Subject: Re:[basinsinfo] = Automatic Delineation error

 


Hello Everyone,

I got error during first step of automatic watershed delineation = with BASINS 4.0 and the error is :

"An error while filling the Grid: Attempted to read or write protected = Memory. this is often an indication that other memory is = corrupt."

I have tried on another computer and I got the same error. Any suggestion are = welcome.

 Does anyone have idea how i can get the DEM and other GIS data for Quito, = Ecaudor? 

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
-Harshad Patel


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