Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:19:19 EST Subject: Fwd: [FRCtech2002] Digest Number 12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. how many chiaphua motors From: herson barrera 2. ending minutes From: herson barrera 3. bumper From: herson barrera 4. controller From: Matthew M 5. Re: Servo motors From: "frcengineers" 6. Re: controller From: "frcengineers" 7. Re: Alternate joysticks From: "frcengineers" 8. missing parts From: "joereelus" 9. Re: Reflective tape use From: "frcengineers" 10. Re: Atwood (Chiaphua) Motors From: "frcengineers" 11. Re: gas strut/shock included in parts kit? From: "frcengineers" 12. Re: Servo motors From: "frcengineers" 13. Re: missing parts From: "frcengineers" 14. "Half" of field Re: rules Q's / comments From: "frcengineers" 15. Re: Chiaphua motor From: "frcengineers" 16. Re: Rule GM20 From: "frcengineers" 17. Re: DQ8 From: "frcengineers" 18. Re: Bumpers From: "frcengineers" 19. Re: ending minutes From: "frcengineers" 20. Re: how many chiaphua motors From: "frcengineers" 21. Re: Additional Material Change needs Clarifaction From: "frcengineers" 22. Re: aluminum? From: "frcengineers" 23. 4 Atwood motors to clarify once and for all..!!!!! From: "seniormarine" 24. Re: Another Question on Van Door motors From: "frcengineers" 25. Re: Cost of materials for robot From: "frcengineers" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:27:09 -0800 (PST) From: herson barrera Subject: how many chiaphua motors how many chiapua motors can we have on our robot during the competition --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: herson barrera Subject: ending minutes at the end of the match can we still be grabing the goal --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: herson barrera Subject: bumper Q#1-can we have our bumper be 1" off the ground? @#2-how high can our bumper be, (from the ground to the top of the robot)? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:08:02 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew M Subject: controller is there any restriction on rather you can use a different controller than the ones that are supplied (the two joy sticks)? _____________________________________________________________ http://www.klepto.com Search ALL of the Search Engines at ONCE! Plus >>> FREE, Permanent E-Mail! http://mail.klepto.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:47:38 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Servo motors > Has FIRST intentionally left servo motors off the additional hardware list or have I missed something? Are extra servo motors allowed on the robot? A) 2 were provided in the kit and those are the only 2 allowed. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:54:33 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: controller > is there any restriction on rather you can use a different controller than the ones that are supplied (the two joy sticks)? > > Per the addtitional Hardware list. You can use any: Joysticks, Streering wheels or Pedals - 15pin Not USB, PC Interface, Up to Qty of 6. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:00:04 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Alternate joysticks > Can a team use steering wheel/yoke style joysticks in place of the CH Flightsticks provided in the kit. > Please refer to the Additional Hardware list. joysticks, steering wheels or pedals - 15pin Not USB, PC interface Up tp QTY of 6. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:12:11 -0000 From: "joereelus" Subject: missing parts We are missing two of the pnematics cylinders, the lenses, etc. do you have any idea when we can expect the missing parts to arrive? We want to order some new cylinders, but we are not sure which cylinder will be in the kit. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:00:36 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Reflective tape use > You can not put reflective tape on your robot but can you put it on > your human player? A) No as this would be considered special clothing and in violation of GM14. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:13:20 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Atwood (Chiaphua) Motors > Can we get two additional Atwood motors from Atwood.com or through Small Parts? A) See Team Update #1 about ordering more (for spares) but you can only use 2 on your robot. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:14:14 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: gas strut/shock included in parts kit? > Team 894 would like to know if a gas shock or strut was included in > the original or updated kit of parts. Thank you very much. > No. This was never updated on the Kit of Parts list or the Additional Hardware list. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:21:01 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Servo motors > > Has FIRST intentionally left servo motors off the additional > hardware list or have I missed something? Are extra servo motors > allowed on the robot? > A) 2 were provided in the kit and those are the only 2 allowed on your robot at any one time. You can purchase spares. See Robot, Appendix F for the address of Hitec RCD. > FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:23:38 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: missing parts > We are missing two of the pnematics cylinders, the lenses, etc. do > you have any idea when we can expect the missing parts to arrive? >Please refer to team update #1 for information about parts being shipped to all teams. As for any other missing parts, please e-mail tammy@usfirst.org. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:27:21 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: "Half" of field Re: rules Q's / comments > Does "Half" include or exclude part of Zone #3? A) Opposite 1/2 is the half (including 1/2 of Zone 3) farthest from your alliance station. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:29:58 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Chiaphua motor > How many Chiaphua motors may we use? There seems to be some dispute. > >2 as per the Kit of Parts list. You may purchase extras to be used as SPARES ONLY. The information on where to purchase more can be found in team update #1. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:37:33 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Rule GM20 > Question on rule GM20. It says we can't attach to the upper or lower plywood bases of the goals but can we pull the goals up against our robot so that the plywood base is flush to our robot? A) You can grab the galvanized pipe nipples between the goal's plywood decks to push or pull the goal up against your robot as long as you do not intentionally violate GM20. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:53:45 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: DQ8 >There is a new rule DQ8. Can we create a defense system to defend ourselves to fend off other robots? Can the robot pinning the other one back up at the 10 second mark and just re-pin the robot again or could they pin them for 9 seconds and then back away a bit and go back to pin them. A) Rule DQ8 is quite clear. You may create any defense system that does not violate other rules. The pinning and backing-off scenarios you suggest are perfectly legal. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:52:26 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Bumpers > Q#1: Can bumpers be 1" off the ground? A) No. M18 clearly states that the region is 2" to 8" off the floor. FIRSTsnow > Q#2: How high can the bumper be? A) Same answer. Your bumper, according to the rule, can be up to 6" tall but can be smaller and must be in the 2" to 8" region off the floor. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:57:14 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: ending minutes >At the end of the match, can we still be grabing the goal? A) Yes. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:00:05 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: how many chiaphua motors > How many Chiaphua (Atwood) motors can a robot use during the competition? A) Two (2). FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:32:57 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Additional Material Change needs Clarifaction > In Update #1, you change "Timing Belt -- Up to 20', single or double > sided" to "Belts -- Any size, Any length for use with pulleys" > Clear enough... ...until you look 2 lines up the list > "Chain/Belt -- Any length" What are we to make of this? > Does Belt need to be used with pulleys to be legal? > How about chain? Updated additional Hardware listing: Chain and or Belt - any length, any size. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:39:32 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: aluminum? > What are the specs on the aluminum (i.e., how thick?)? A) See the Additional Hardware List which has 3 entries having to do with aluminum items, specifically, Aluminum Plate, Aluminum Angle, and Extruded Aluminum. The Extrusion can have any thickness as long as its cross section is 2" x 3" maximum. The other 2 items have their thickness listed. FIRSTsnow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:29:46 -0000 From: "seniormarine" Subject: 4 Atwood motors to clarify once and for all..!!!!! I see questions in the posting that ask if you can use four drive motors and your answer was yes. Since there are not four of any one kind of motor, this causes some confusion!!!!! Let me ask this....Can we use four Atwood motors to drive the robot? Thanks! I hope you answer clears this up. Our team is debating this daily!!!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:42:00 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Another Question on Van Door motors > I understand that the Van Door motors were not included with the > kit. Are they available for purchase for use on the robot? Thank You No. They are not on the additional hardware list therefore they are not allowed. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:46:26 -0000 From: "frcengineers" Subject: Re: Cost of materials for robot > In past years there has been a limit on the cost of allowed materials > for the robot that were used. I've been unable to find that in this > years manual? Does this mean there is no limit? If there is one what > is it? Where is it located? > > For 2002 there is NO limit as to how much additional material you may use on your robot. FIRST-t ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________