From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 2 13:26:45 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA02777 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:26:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02771 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:26:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h32JQge02030 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:26:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from aps.anl.gov(164.54.8.141) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAXXaGTd; Wed, 2 Apr 03 13:26:39 -0600 Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (iota [164.54.56.65]) by epics.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h32JQcQ08916; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:26:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h32JQco01849; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:26:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from anlexch.anl.gov(146.137.222.10) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcDAAYsa4qd; Wed, 2 Apr 03 13:26:36 -0600 Received: by ANLEXCH.CTD.ANL.GOV with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:26:31 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Reedy, Judith A." To: "Hartline, Beverly K." Cc: "Kaufmann, Elton N." Subject: LDRD Mini Symposium, Monday, April 7, 2003 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:26:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2F94D.B314FB90" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F94D.B314FB90 Content-Type: text/plain The 19th LDRD mini symposium will occur Monday, April 7th. The Laboratory Directorate invites and encourages all whose work schedules permit to attend. Presentations will be found in the agenda reproduced below. LDRD MINI-SYMPOSIUM (19th in the series) Monday, April 7, 2003 2:00 - 3:00 PM Building 402, E1100-1200 2:00 PM - Bob Johnson, EA Web-Accessible Information Management and Visualization in Support of Long-Term Site Stewardship 2:15 PM - Mike Kaminski, CMT Magnetic Nanoparticles and In Vivo Detoxification 2:30 PM - Mitch Farmer, NE Development of an Out-of-Pile Liquid Metal Experiment Capability to Support AFR-300 Design and Safety Analysis 2:45 PM - Ed O'Loughlin, ER Synchrotron Environmental Science 3:00 PM - Adjourn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F94D.B314FB90 Content-Type: text/html Message

The 19th LDRD mini symposium will occur Monday, April 7th. The Laboratory Directorate invites and encourages all whose work schedules permit to attend.  Presentations will be found in the agenda reproduced below.

 

 

 

 

LDRD MINI-SYMPOSIUM (19th in the series)

Monday, April 7, 2003

2:00 - 3:00 PM

Building 402, E1100-1200

 

 

2:00 PM - Bob Johnson, EA

Web-Accessible Information Management and Visualization in Support of Long-Term Site Stewardship

 

2:15 PM - Mike Kaminski, CMT

Magnetic Nanoparticles and In Vivo Detoxification

 

2:30 PM - Mitch Farmer, NE

Development of an Out-of-Pile Liquid Metal Experiment Capability to Support AFR-300 Design and Safety Analysis

 

2:45 PM - Ed O'Loughlin, ER

Synchrotron Environmental Science

 

3:00 PM - Adjourn

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2F94D.B314FB90-- From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 3 19:13:02 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA05631 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:13:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA05625 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14030 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14027 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FB95F0DB5; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46B05F0DFF for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:12:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h341Cx930165 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:12:59 -0600 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: Reminder - April 04 FFF Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:17:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2FA15.A7803650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-101.2 required=5.8 tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK, USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2FA15.A7803650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Subscribers: On our next FFF Ms. Susan Bogart will present: "Career Management: Lessons from Women in the Legal Profession." Although the Glass Ceiling Commission was founded in 1991 and three reports have issued identifying barriers to the advancement of women into middle and upper level management, little progress toward achieving these goals appears to have occurred in the legal profession. For more than 20 years, women have entered the legal profession in steadily increasing numbers, more and more women have risen to prominence in the profession, but a "glass ceiling" exists that prevents women from reaching the highest levels of the status and compensation in the law. Susan Bogart will offer her insights and experience as to how and why this "glass ceiling" in the law exists based upon 25 years in the profession over 13 of which have involved the representation of women in the middle to upper levels of all professions, observations which are applicable to all professions. Date: April 4, 2003 Time: 12:15 p.m. (Note new starting time) Location: Building 221 Room A-261 > P.S.: Bring a friend: one count. 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Herzenberg" Subject: Fw: Reminder - April 04 FFF Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:18:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.8 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,DEAR_SOMEBODY,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,SUBJECT_MONTH, SUBJECT_MONTH_2,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_OE version=2.43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a good program, but am I reading that men still count for more than women? - Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Reminder - April 04 FFF > Dear Subscribers: > > On our next FFF Ms. Susan Bogart will present: > > "Career Management: Lessons from Women in the Legal Profession." > Although the Glass Ceiling Commission was founded in 1991 and three reports > have issued identifying barriers to the advancement of women into middle and > upper level management, little progress toward achieving these goals appears > to have occurred in the legal profession. For more than 20 years, women have > entered the legal profession in steadily increasing numbers, more and more > women have risen to prominence in the profession, but a "glass ceiling" > exists that prevents women from reaching the highest levels of the status > and compensation in the law. Susan Bogart will offer her insights and > experience as to how and why this "glass ceiling" in the law exists based > upon 25 years in the profession over 13 of which have involved the > representation of women in the middle to upper levels of all professions, > observations which are applicable to all professions. > Date: April 4, 2003 > Time: 12:15 p.m. (Note new starting time) > Location: Building 221 > Room A-261 > > > P.S.: Bring a friend: one count. If male friend, two counts. > > > > > From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 3 22:33:25 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA14370 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:33:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA14364 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:33:23 -0600 (CST) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA06411 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:33:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA06405 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:33:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:33:22 -0600 Message-ID: To: carol@herzenberg.net, wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Reminder - April 04 FFF Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:33:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Carol, When a male attends a nominally all-female meeting that will stretch his mind in directions it otherwise would not go, on a topic that will benefit the S&T women if he comes to a point of true understanding, we jokingly give his female 'sponsor' a star, in fact two stars!!! The point is, we all have the opportunity to educate males via the FFFs, and those who seize this opportunity deserve recognition and encouragement. As always, all thoughts are welcome! See you at FFF tomorrow! Maryka Bhattacharyya WPI for Argonne and Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Herzenberg, Caroline L. Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:18 PM To: WISTTALK Cc: Herzenberg, Caroline L. Subject: Fw: Reminder - April 04 FFF Sounds like a good program, but am I reading that men still count for more than women? - Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Reminder - April 04 FFF > Dear Subscribers: > > On our next FFF Ms. Susan Bogart will present: > > "Career Management: Lessons from Women in the Legal Profession." > Although the Glass Ceiling Commission was founded in 1991 and three reports > have issued identifying barriers to the advancement of women into > middle and > upper level management, little progress toward achieving these goals appears > to have occurred in the legal profession. For more than 20 years, > women have > entered the legal profession in steadily increasing numbers, more and > more women have risen to prominence in the profession, but a "glass > ceiling" exists that prevents women from reaching the highest levels > of the status and compensation in the law. Susan Bogart will offer her > insights and experience as to how and why this "glass ceiling" in the > law exists based upon 25 years in the profession over 13 of which have > involved the representation of women in the middle to upper levels of > all professions, observations which are applicable to all professions. > Date: April 4, 2003 > Time: 12:15 p.m. (Note new starting time) > Location: Building 221 > Room A-261 > > > P.S.: Bring a friend: one count. If male friend, two counts. > > > > > From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 4 11:37:54 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA17650 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:37:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17644 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:37:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12459 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:37:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12445; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:37:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EE75F0D5E; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:37:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E695F0CD4; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:37:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h34Hbm911644; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:37:48 -0600 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: , , Subject: RE: Reminder - April 04 FFF Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:42:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2FA9F.3C1701C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-101.7 required=5.8 tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2FA9F.3C1701C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Maryka has offered the appropriate comment. But I would like to add some of my own. Since I begun organizing our FFF meetings, it has been my objective to: a) increase the participation of S&T women, not only as an audience but as an active audience. I believe that it has happened and continues to happen; b) increase / encourage the participation of S&T men. Many of the talks are technical, and of their professional interest, and many of the talks address issues that are also of their interest. It is to both ANL men's and women's advantage that we communicate more effectively, and FFF can provide the environment for that to happen. c) be able to keep my sense of humor. Eliane Lessner. -----Original Message----- From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov]On Behalf Of mhbhatt@anl.gov Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:33 PM To: carol@herzenberg.net; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Reminder - April 04 FFF Carol, When a male attends a nominally all-female meeting that will stretch his mind in directions it otherwise would not go, on a topic that will benefit the S&T women if he comes to a point of true understanding, we jokingly give his female 'sponsor' a star, in fact two stars!!! The point is, we all have the opportunity to educate males via the FFFs, and those who seize this opportunity deserve recognition and encouragement. As always, all thoughts are welcome! See you at FFF tomorrow! Maryka Bhattacharyya WPI for Argonne and Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Herzenberg, Caroline L. Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:18 PM To: WISTTALK Cc: Herzenberg, Caroline L. Subject: Fw: Reminder - April 04 FFF Sounds like a good program, but am I reading that men still count for more than women? - Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Reminder - April 04 FFF > Dear Subscribers: > > On our next FFF Ms. Susan Bogart will present: > > "Career Management: Lessons from Women in the Legal Profession." > Although the Glass Ceiling Commission was founded in 1991 and three reports > have issued identifying barriers to the advancement of women into > middle and > upper level management, little progress toward achieving these goals appears > to have occurred in the legal profession. For more than 20 years, > women have > entered the legal profession in steadily increasing numbers, more and > more women have risen to prominence in the profession, but a "glass > ceiling" exists that prevents women from reaching the highest levels > of the status and compensation in the law. Susan Bogart will offer her > insights and experience as to how and why this "glass ceiling" in the > law exists based upon 25 years in the profession over 13 of which have > involved the representation of women in the middle to upper levels of > all professions, observations which are applicable to all professions. > Date: April 4, 2003 > Time: 12:15 p.m. (Note new starting time) > Location: Building 221 > Room A-261 > > > P.S.: Bring a friend: one count. 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[127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7AB5F108D; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:27:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from apollo.tilted.net (apollo.tilted.net [64.95.81.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBDD5F10BE for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:27:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CAROLDESK (adsl-66-73-160-11.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net [66.73.160.11]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by apollo.tilted.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h39GRVa01317; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:27:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c2feb4$ed8f6000$6601a8c0@CAROLDESK> From: "Carol Herzenberg" To: "WISTTALK" Cc: "Caroline L. Herzenberg" Subject: Fw: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 09, 2003 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:27:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.7 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,DEAR_SOMEBODY,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,SUBJECT_MONTH, TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_OE version=2.43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone interested in a TV gig on the side? See item #1 below. - Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Women in Physics" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 09, 2003 > CONTESTANTS SOUGHT > 1. Producer Seeks Contestants for Discovery Channel Pilot > > JOB POSTING > 2. Senior Lecturer, Department of Physics, Simon Fraser University > > ********MESSAGE 1 ******** > Dear Women in Physics: > My name is Leah Wolchok and I work for a nonfiction TV > production company called Michael Hoff Productions. We're in the > process of casting an exciting new television pilot for the Discovery > Science Channel. The show is a high-energy debate that pits two > rival scientists in a head to head battle of ideas. This is hard science > with an edge, and shooting begins in late April. > > We're looking for contestants who have at least a masters degree in > a hard science, and enjoy rapid-fire debate. We want people who > can defend extreme positions from opposite poles and love to argue > about science. We've gotten a lot of response from male scientists, > but we're looking for some women to balance out the show. > > I would love your help in finding female scientists for the program. > Feel free to contact me with any questions. > > Leah Wolchok, Associate Producer > Michael Hoff Productions > 5900 Hollis Street Suite O > Emeryville, CA 94608 > Direct Line: 510-597-2061 > lwolchok@mhptv.com > > ******MESSAGE 2 ********** > SENIOR LECTURER, DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS, SIMON > FRASER UNIVERSITY > The Department of Physics at Simon Fraser University > invites applications for the position of Senior Lecturer, > effective September 1, 2003 or earlier, subject to final > budgetary approval. Required qualifications are a PhD > degree in physics, teaching experience at the post-secondary > level and a strong commitment to excellence in teaching. It > is expected that the successful candidate will participate in > the teaching program of the department at all levels, will be > active in curriculum development and will play a role in the > general committee work of the Department. The specific > duties of the incumbent will be determined by the Chair of > the Department but will normally be the equivalent of > teaching six one-semester courses over a twelve-month > period. In accordance with Simon Fraser University policy > A12-01, the initial appointment will be for one year but it is > anticipated that this will be a continuing position. Further > information regarding the position of Senior Lecturer may > be found on the SFU web site at > http://www.sfu.ca/policies/academic/a12-01.htm. > > In accordance with Canadian immigration requirements, > priority will be given to Canadian citizens and permanent > residents. SFU is committed to an equity employment > program that includes special measures to achieve diversity > among its faculty and staff. We therefore particularly > encourage applications from qualified women, aboriginal > Canadians, persons with disabilities, and members of visible > minorities. To apply for this position, send a curriculum > vitae, teaching evaluations of previous courses taught, if > available, and have three letters of recommendation sent to > Dr. Michael Plischke, Chair, Department of Physics, Simon > Fraser University, Burnaby, V5A-1S6 (e-mail: > plischke@sfu.ca). The deadline for applications is June 15, > 2003 but late applications will be accepted until the position > is filled. > ****************************** > In order to subscribe to WIPHYS (The Women in Physics listserv), > please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org > Leave the subject line blank > The body or text of the message should read: subscribe wiphys > > In order to unsubscribe to WIPHYS, please send a message to: > majordomo@aps.org > Leave the subject line blank > The body or text of the message should read: unsubscribe wiphys > > If you have any questions, please contact the moderator at > wiphys@aps.org > ****************************** > > From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 10 14:44:11 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA05842 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:44:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05836 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:44:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27135 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:44:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27076 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:44:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2458E5F10DF; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2415F10DF for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:43:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3AJhj905709 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:43:45 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: FW: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 10, 2003 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:48:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-98.1 required=5.7 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,LINES_OF_YELLING,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG, SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,SUBJECT_MONTH,TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Women in Physics [mailto:wiphys@aps.org] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:24 PM To: esl@aps.anl.gov Subject: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 10, 2003 DISCUSSION 1. Regarding the Discovery Channel's search for contestants REPORT AVAILABLE 2. Faculty Salaries Report from AAUP *****MESSAGE ONE ******** REGARDING THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL'S SEARCH FOR CONTESTANTS (From WIPHYS 4/9/03) "We're looking for contestants who have at least a masters degree in a hard science, and enjoy rapid-fire debate. We want people who can defend extreme positions from opposite poles and love to argue about science. We've gotten a lot of response from male scientists, but we're looking for some women to balance out the show." Has it occurred to anyone that the prevalence of this style among male scientists may well be a reason why many women find the climate in physics to be unwelcoming? This is "combat physics" in its purest form, and it isn't a style favored by most female scientists I know, who prefer to work together to find out the truth (which almost certainly lies between the "extreme positions" on "opposite poles"). Prof. Laurie E. McNeil Dept. of Physics and Astronomy Univ. of North Carolina at Chapel Hill mcneil@physics.unc.edu ****MESSAGE TWO ********* FACULTY SALARIES REPORT FROM AAUP Faculty salaries rose 3 per cent in 2002-3, however a salary gap remains between male and female professors. At the full-professor level, men made an average of $9,913, or 12.6 percent, more than women. At the associate-professor level, men made an average of $4,387, or 7.4 percent, more than women. Male assistant professors made an average of $4,045, or 8.2 percent, more than their female counterparts. See "Unequal Progress: The Annual Report on the Economic Status of the Profession, 2002-03", available from the American Association of University Professors http://www.aaup.org/surveys/zrep.htm ***************************** In order to subscribe to WIPHYS (The Women in Physics listserv), please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org Leave the subject line blank The body or text of the message should read: subscribe wiphys In order to unsubscribe to WIPHYS, please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org Leave the subject line blank The body or text of the message should read: unsubscribe wiphys If you have any questions, please contact the moderator at wiphys@aps.org ****************************** From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 11 10:47:21 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA02414 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:47:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02408 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:47:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08880 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:47:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08877 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:47:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E4B5F1312; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:47:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835885F1312 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:47:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3BFlI922829 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:47:18 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: IMPORTANT MEETING! Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C30018.615D1090" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: High X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-97.9 required=5.7 tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK, USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_MSMAIL_PRIORITY_HIGH,X_PRIORITY_HIGH version=2.43 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C30018.615D1090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our next FFF will be on April 18, 2002, at: Building 202 Room B164. Your participation is very important! WIST at Argonne: An Evaluation of its Past, Present and Future. Maryka Bhattacharyya and Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz will summarize results of a newly-finalized report of the WIST Re-evaluation Subcommittee. At its 10th anniversary, the Argonne WIST Steering Committee decided to formally review the effectiveness of the WIST program and, based on this review, recommend program goals for the future. Members of the WIST Re-Evaluation Subcommittee carried out the following actions: * Conducted a survey of S&T women at ANL to identify needs and concerns * Compiled data on the number and grade level of S&T women to determine their status * Reviewed and revised structure, mission and goals of WIST to address current needs and climate * Generated recommendations for action by WIST and ANL management The results of these efforts will be summarized. Recommendations for a re-configuration of WIST to achieve a broader base of participation at ANL will be presented and discussed. Input from attendees will be vital in finalizing the new configuration and strengthening communication. 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Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:31:57 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: IMPORTANT MEETING: CORRECT ROOM NUMBER Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C30026.FFCF2A70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-98.7 required=5.7 tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK, USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C30026.FFCF2A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Room Number in the previous message was incorrect. Please note: Our next FFF will be on April 18, 2002, at: Building 202 Room B169. 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Please note: Our next FFF will be on April 18, 2002, at: Building 202 Room B169. TIME: 12: 15 pm Your participation is very important! 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She is worth reading. Maryka Bhattacharyya -----Original Message----- From: Debra Rolison To: rolison@nrl.navy.mil Sent: 4/12/2003 10:03 PM Subject: recent comments on Title IX Greetings, everyone. Last month I attended a half-day symposium at the Woodrow Wilson International Center in DC on "Nanotechnology: Real Revenues Today and Impacts on the U.S. Economy." One of the reasons I went (besides my research interests in nanoscience) was to thank Senator Ron Wyden, who was speaking as part of the symposium, for his subcommittee's efforts on behalf of women in science. As it turned out, my remarks during the question period were expanded on by both Senator Wyden and Phil Bond, Undersecretary of Commerce for Technology. The entire symposium was webcast and can be watched as a video at: http://wwics.si.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=events.event_summary&event_id=2 3395# The exchange occurs at about 60% of the way through the video, but to save you from sitting through five hours of symposium, the transcript of this one piece is appended below. Please note: these remarks were extemporaneous on the part of all parties, rather than prepared (and proofed!) testimony. Senator Wyden is convinced that Title IX is a mechanism that's worth trying -- and for that I'm astonished and grateful. I think his hearing in October, his rhetoric then and since, and his enrolled amendments are already having some measure of effect within the more aware quadrants of academe. Stay tuned! best, Debra ______________________________ Transcript of comments made at "Nanotechnology: Real Revenues Today and Impacts on the U.S. Economy" on Tuesday, 11 March 2003 at the Woodrow Wilson International Center, Washington, DC. Debra Rolison, Naval Research Lab (to Senator Ron Wyden): First, let me thank you and your subcommittee for getting language in the NSF reauthorization bill with respect to the very bad record of our universities in science and engineering with the females they train. A question either you or Undersecretary Bond can talk about: the one thing I've not heard brought in [with respect to nanotechnology and public policy] is the body politic. Not only do we need the scientists and the policy makers and the technologists and the companies addressing the future, but unless we involve the citizens, we will be in the boat that we are with respect to GMO in Europe, in which case there was corporate arrogance, and scientific arrogance, that led to that problem--which should never have existed in the first place. Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon): I'll just start: I think you are absolutely right and that is why nanotechnology is entering such a key window of time--is that we have got to use the bully pulpit we have. And that's why I think it's great, for example, that this program is being webcast, to say that in these early stages of the government's involvement in nanotechnology, we are going to make sure that these ethical kinds of questions and these moral kinds of questions, those are going to be part of our debate at every stage of the process. It's not as if we are just going to blast ahead with nanotechnology and then three years later as kind of an afterthought say, well, let's now think about some of the ethical and moral questions. And that is why in my legislation and in all of the efforts in both the Senate and the House, ethical and moral issues are going to have a prominent place, a prominent place in this debate. Because you're absolutely right, these impressions that people get at the outset and Phil's point about Europe, and essentially the spirit of your question illustrates what happens if you, in effect, just write those questions off and say, well, we'll talk about them another time. We are going to make sure that as the Federal Government moves forward on these bills in the Senate and House that they [ethical and moral issues] are priorities, and the priorities are going to ensure that ethical and moral kinds of questions so that the citizens see that the matters that are now being raised in Europe and elsewhere get full debate. Phil Bond, Undersecretary of Commerce for Technology (Department of Commerce): A couple of points: The very technology that we've celebrated most for the past ten years, information technology, has brought more people into the public square. Everybody can go to their keyboard and get information on what's going on in the House, the Senate, whatever, and it makes it imperative that we engage, and do that. One key way to do that will be through enlightened leaders in the House and Senate and in their committee-based systems, reaching out and educating their members. It is incumbent on those of us in public policy to also help educate them. The other point I want to make, which is related to this, a little bit longer-term view, but you mentioned women in particular not coming through the education system. And I am a father of two girls, and my 11-year-old's favorite subject is science. Odds are in three years it will not be. She's going to enter the phase where most of them drop out. So, I'm particularly excited about nano, because I think it's something kids can get their minds around: Building from the bottom up. What do you need? You can build it. I think it's a really exciting thing that maybe kids can grasp when we have the equivalent of going to the moon or whatever for another generation of students, which then is the body politic of the future. Wyden: Let me add just one point with respect to this question of women in the hard sciences and math, and physics and the like. You all cannot challenge us in government enough; I'm talking about Congress, when we are processing legislation; the Administration; the key agencies. We've actually fallen behind, and our subcommittee put out evidence of this last year, we've actually fallen behind in some areas such as computer science in attracting women. And I think that all of you as leaders in the field have got to be pushing the agencies. Sean O'Keefe [Administrator of NASA], of course before the tragedy, had made this a big priority in terms of working with us. And I will tell you; I'm going to do everything I can to apply Title IX, which people think is a sports statute to being used as a tool to get women in the sciences. And if you go back and look at the history of Title IX, it was not intended primarily as a sports statute; if you read the legislative history and look at the transcripts produced at our hearing, it was primarily designed to open up opportunities for women in academia, and it has sort of become a statute that people normally think of with respect to sports. And I would really urge all of you, if we are going to pass the opportunities that Phil and I agree exist with respect to nanotechnology, to be pushing everybody in the government, in the United States Congress, in the Executive Branch, across the board to get serious about getting more women in these fields. We ought to be bold in terms of using tools like Title IX, and good people like you may have other ideas about how to do it as well. Rolison: Well, actually, I'm the woman who suggested three years ago in an editorial to apply Title IX against our science and engineering departments. Wyden: And if I had had my glasses on, I would have picked that up. [laughter] Thank you for the good work you are doing. Rolison: Well, and I, of course, never lobbied you because I'm a Fed, so I can't do that, but because I've been giving the talk nonstop for three years, the word got about. But I think that's where nano can be an important analogy to the science and technology that went into the moon flights--because what the students seem to love is the sense of exploration. And nano is very much about exploring, and I don't think we are doing a very good job, pedagogically, about getting that across. And that will inspire more U.S. elementary, middle school, and high school students to stay with the science. From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 14 07:54:17 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA19970 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA19964 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16936 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16920; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D514F5F11E9; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F165F1258; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from acs034 (acs126.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.248]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3ECs0901877; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:54:00 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Debby Quock" To: Cc: , Subject: RE: IMPORTANT ANL WIST MEETING Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:53:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c30284$eb3df270$22428b92@atlasops.anl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3025B.02718760" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000A5E37C86EE1CCB4F9F47047F6780E717C4212200 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-99.5 required=5.7 tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3025B.02718760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear WIST Colleagues, "Progress always involves risk. You can't steal second base and keep your foot on first." - Frederick B. Wilcox Please make every possible attempt to attend the FFF meeting on April 18 (this Friday!) in building 202 room B169 at 12:15 pm that will cover the WIST RESC report on the status of women in science and technology at ANL, and recommended action items. All the best, Debby Quock Control Systems Engineer ATLAS Accelerator Physics Division, Building 203 Work phone (630) 252-0269 Work email quock@phy.anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:37 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: IMPORTANT MEETING: CORRECT ROOM NUMBER The Room Number in the previous message was incorrect. Please note: Our next FFF will be on April 18, 2002, at: Building 202 Room B169. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C302CA.1040AFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Colleagues, I would appreciate your getting back to me with suggestions of where we could post a job opening for a leadership position at IPNS that would identify qualified female candidates. We have a chance to provide input. Let's make it happen! Thank you for your feedback! Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Peters, Carolyn Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:45 PM To: Bhattacharyya, M. H. Subject: IPNS Job Posting Hi Maryka, IPNS is interested in advertising a job posting in a publication for Women in Science and Technology. Do you have information on how to go about this? Thank you, Carolyn Peters IPNS Administrative Secretary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C302CA.1040AFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Dear Colleagues,
I would appreciate your getting back to me with suggestions of where we could post a job opening for a leadership position at IPNS that would identify qualified female candidates. 
 
We have a chance to provide input.  Let's make it happen!
Thank you for your feedback!
Maryka Bhattacharyya
WIST Program Initiator for Argonne
 
 
 

Senior Biochemist

Biosciences Division

Argonne National Laboratory

phone: 630-252-3923

fax: 630-252-5517

email: mhbhatt@anl.gov

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Peters, Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:45 PM
To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.
Subject: IPNS Job Posting

Hi Maryka,
IPNS is interested in advertising a job posting in a publication for Women in Science and Technology.
Do you have information on how to go about this?
Thank you,
Carolyn Peters
IPNS Administrative Secretary
------_=_NextPart_001_01C302CA.1040AFF0-- From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 14 17:02:18 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA24777 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:02:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24771 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:02:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20231 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:02:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@iotaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.56.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20226; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:02:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3EM2Ds27450; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:02:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aps.anl.gov(164.54.8.141) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAA1naGL1; Mon, 14 Apr 03 17:02:12 -0500 Received: from aps.anl.gov (amber [164.54.48.203]) by epics.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EM2BQ17721; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:02:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3E9B2FE3.D2DD3FEC@aps.anl.gov> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:02:11 -0500 From: Katherine Harkay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mhbhatt@anl.gov CC: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: FW: IPNS Job Posting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maryka and wisttalk subscribers, It wasn't clear what job qualifications they are looking for. If they're looking for a physicist, I would recommend posting the job opening on the women in physics listserve (wiphys@aps.org). Best regards, Kathy Harkay >Dear Colleagues, >I would appreciate your getting back to me with suggestions >of where we could post a job opening for a leadership >position at IPNS that would >identify qualified female candidates. >We have a chance to provide input. Let's make it happen! >Thank you for your feedback! >Maryka Bhattacharyya >WIST Program Initiator for Argonne From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 14 17:42:18 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA27185 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27179 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27705 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27695; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C80C5F0D19; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA815F0D0B; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3EMgB911850; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:42:11 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: "Katherine Harkay" , Cc: Subject: RE: FW: IPNS Job Posting Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 17:47:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3E9B2FE3.D2DD3FEC@aps.anl.gov> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-98.9 required=5.7 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG, SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One possibility is the AWIS Magazine: Association for Women in Science, in case they are looking for scientists. Eliane Lessner. -----Original Message----- From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov]On Behalf Of Katherine Harkay Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:02 PM To: mhbhatt@anl.gov Cc: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: FW: IPNS Job Posting Maryka and wisttalk subscribers, It wasn't clear what job qualifications they are looking for. If they're looking for a physicist, I would recommend posting the job opening on the women in physics listserve (wiphys@aps.org). Best regards, Kathy Harkay >Dear Colleagues, >I would appreciate your getting back to me with suggestions >of where we could post a job opening for a leadership >position at IPNS that would >identify qualified female candidates. >We have a chance to provide input. Let's make it happen! >Thank you for your feedback! >Maryka Bhattacharyya >WIST Program Initiator for Argonne From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 15 11:10:26 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA12061 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:10:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12055 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:10:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07260 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:10:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from anchim.chm.anl.gov (anchim.chm.anl.gov [146.137.86.75]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07239 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:10:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: by anchim.chm.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TBJC2HT>; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Thurnauer, Marion C." To: "'wisttalk@anl.gov'" Subject: recommendation Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:00:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk The Winter 2003 issue of the AWIS Magazine contains an interview with Nancy Hopkins on p. 10. I highly recommend it. Marion Thurnauer From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 16 11:13:49 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA23999 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:13:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23993 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:13:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04794 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:13:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04791 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:13:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58CA5F0D1D; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:13:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF4D5F0D1D for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:13:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3GGDj913064 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c30433$d6de6c50$d9c68b92@elessner> From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: From Women in Physics Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:18:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C30409.EDDD5CB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-99.1 required=5.7 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C30409.EDDD5CB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C30409.EDDD5CB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C30409.EDDD5CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe the folowing texts from WIPHYS (Women in Physics) are quite = relevant to the women at ANL. Eliane. ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C30409.EDDD5CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe the folowing texts from = WIPHYS=20 (Women in Physics) are quite relevant to the women at ANL.
Eliane.
------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C30409.EDDD5CB0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C30409.EDDD5CB0 Content-Type: application/msword; name="Document.rtf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Document.rtf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fmodern\fcharset0 = Courier New;}{\f1\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 RE-ENTERING THE CAREER TRACK\par Hello,\par I have taken time off to have children and am currently working to \par re-enter the physics career track. Something I've noticed is that\par there isn't much information, formal, informal, or even folkloric,\par about how this can be done, or has been done in the past. I'd like = to\par motivate a discussion on wiphys about this topic of re-entry. To\par this end, I've made a list of questions for people to consider and\par hopefully reply to the list about.\par \par Did you take a 'break' of a year or more in your career to raise \par children? If so, how did you get back into physics? Did you work \par part-time? volunteer with a research group? \par \par If you have children and did not take an extended leave from your \par career, would you have if re-entry programs or procedures existed? \par \par Do you think women physicist are lost from the pipeline because of \par re-entry issues?\par \par Do you think the physics career track should be more flexible with \par regards to re-entry?\par \par Do you have any thoughts on the ideal career path for physicist\par who want \par to have children?\par \par I'm looking forward to seeing the replies.\par Sincerely,\par Elizabeth Freeland\par papagena@earthlink.net \par RE-ENTERING THE CAREER TRACK\par -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----\par \par Note from the WIPHYS Moderator: thanks to all of you who\par responded! This is obviously a hot topic for a lot of people. To\par avoid repeating the questions, answers are listed together under\par each question and the respondents identified by number at the end\par of the posting. It's good to see a discussion on WIPHYS again\par (don't forget to unlock that caps key!). \par \par Did you take a 'break' of a year or more in your career to raise \par children? If so, how did you get back into physics? Did you work \par part-time? volunteer with a research group? \par \par 1) No\par \par 2) Yes, I took a 15-year break of sorts. I left my Ph.D. Program in\par nuclear physics when I became pregnant because my ob-gyn\par thought I wanted to get pregnant and facilitated that without my\par knowledge. OF course, I did not want to get pregnant at that time.\par During those 15 years I taught physics part-time at several colleges\par and universities. Every place I lived needed a part-time physicist = on\par their faculty. I even did a little research along the way. When I = was\par ready to work full-time, I went back to graduate school and earned\par a Ph.D. in noise and vibration/acoustics in 1.5 years. When I\par dropped out of my graduate program 15 years earlier, I rationalized\par that a fresh Ph.D would be best to have when I was ready to work\par full-time. I was right! Upon completion of my Ph.D I was hired\par onto a tenure-track position in physics at the college where I had\par been teaching part-time for the previous 6 years.\par \par 3) No, only 10 months, after my postdoc. I took two months\par without pay when baby was born and then worked full time until\par my baby was 6 months. Then I quit, once my project was finished. I\par am still on "leave". I looked for a job during this period and will\par start full time again in June. (How did you get back in?) I = switched\par to industry. I think industry is more realistic than academia in\par terms of what is expected of professionals. Nobody assumes that\par your life consists only of your job. (Did you work part-time?) no.\par How can one do science in the competitive way that we do it part\par time? (volunteer with a research group?) NO. I think working for\par nothing is not a good idea in this climate, you are making a\par statement that you are willing to do the same for less... and you = are\par a woman...\par \par If you have children and did not take an extended leave from your \par career, would you have if re-entry programs or procedures\par existed? \par \par 1) At the time, there were few women in the field and it was \par pretty clear that if I took a break that I would not be able \par to re-enter. There were times when I badly wanted to take a \par break, but I kept going instead. So, yes, I might have taken \par a break if the situation was different.\par \par 3) I would like to take 1 year per child and be able to go back on\par track. That is impossible now. I don't know if I will have another\par child.\par \par Do you think women physicist are lost from the pipeline because\par of re-entry issues?\par \par 1)yes Even staying at work while raising a child can sometimes \par pose a problem to the career path. \par \par 2) Yes. However, I believe that re-entry can be greatly enhanced by\par working part-time and volunteering in schools, after-school\par programs, industrial labs, etc. whatever you can do to become a\par known factor by those in a position to hire you when you are ready\par to go back to work is all to the good. \par \par 3) yes, but not only due to this\par \par Do you think the physics career track should be more flexible with \par regards to re-entry?\par \par 1) YES! This is a pretty rugged field and there is little allowance\par for breaks in a career - except for those lucky enough to get a\par sabbatical. But sabbaticals are rather late for childrearing.\par \par 2) Everyone has to work out their own plan for the most part. \par Learning which companies and which universities have good track\par records on hiring folks upon re-entry is paramount. And I do\par believe graduate programs should begin to loosen up their\par unwritten rules vis a vis taking time out to raise children .....for\par either males or females.\par \par 3) yes \par \par Do you have any thoughts on the ideal career path for physicist\par who want to have children?\par \par 1) This question bothers me. It reminds me of my freshman \par physics counselor who saw that I was a woman and promptly \par recommended that I go into biophysics so I wouldn't have to \par travel! After that, I did my own guidance counseling. To \par stay in this field, you have to like the work you are doing. \par \par 2) There is no ideal career path that works for everyone. You have\par to think through your situation and plan accordingly. Options are\par always around you. Just look for them and ask questions of anyone\par who can be helpful. Keep up your self-confidence . That will be so\par helpful as you work out your own arrangements.\par \par 3) I wish I had an answer. The academic track is so competitive\par that I don't see how anyone can take time off for anything. Plus, = the\par moment you mention children, if you are a woman, you lose points.\par Note: my husband, who is a physicist too, and not a woman, will\par take a few months off too when I go back to work. This will for\par sure penalize his career too.\par \par Thanks to our respondents for today -\par (1) Lynn Garren garren@fnal.gov \par (2) Elizabeth S. Ivey ivey@mail.hartford.edu \par 3) Isabel Echeverria iechever@chem.wisc.edu \par \par Stay tuned - we have more responses to print. Keep them coming!\par \par ******************************\par In order to subscribe to WIPHYS (The Women in Physics listserv),\par please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org\par Leave the subject line blank\par The body or text of the message should read: subscribe wiphys\par \par In order to unsubscribe to WIPHYS, please send a message to:\par majordomo@aps.org\par Leave the subject line blank\par The body or text of the message should read: unsubscribe wiphys\par \par If you have any questions, please contact the moderator at\par wiphys@aps.org\par ******************************\par \f1\par } =00 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C30409.EDDD5CB0-- From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 16 15:56:46 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA12231 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:56:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12225 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:56:45 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01417 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:56:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01414 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:56:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:56:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Work/family balance at ANL Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:56:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3045A.AC8B8BA0" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3045A.AC8B8BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear wisttalk subscribers, I would like to invite you to join a dialogue among wisttalk subscribers regarding experiences with work/family balance responsibilities at ANL, along the lines of the WIPHYS dialogue. What work/family balance issues have you had to take responsibility for? How have you handled those responsibilities? Each family's approach is bound to be very different and personal, depending on what family members feel comfortable with in terms of arrangements for child care, parent care, times of illness, etc. Where are we at Argonne in terms of providing an environment that supports the coincident timing of high ambition to get a career started and maximum investment in child care for those who start a family? We have a chance to learn from one another about what has worked well for some of you, or what challenges have presented problems for you and how you solved them. Your ideas/suggestions are welcome! Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3045A.AC8B8BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Dear wisttalk subscribers,
I would like to invite you to join a dialogue among wisttalk subscribers regarding experiences with work/family balance responsibilities at ANL, along the lines of the WIPHYS dialogue.
 
What work/family balance issues have you had to take responsibility for? 
 
How have you handled those responsibilities?  Each family's approach is bound to be very different and personal, depending on what family members feel comfortable with in terms of arrangements for child care, parent care, times of illness, etc.
 
Where are we at Argonne in terms of providing an environment that supports the coincident timing of high ambition to get a career started and maximum investment in child care for those who start a family?
 
We have a chance to learn from one another about what has worked well for some of you, or what challenges have presented problems for you and how you solved them.
 
Your ideas/suggestions are welcome!
Maryka Bhattacharyya
WIST Program Initiator for Argonne
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3045A.AC8B8BA0-- From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 16 17:07:27 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA17780 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:07:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17774 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:07:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21755 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:07:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21752 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68165F0E5F; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC035F0E5F for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3GM7O919404 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:07:24 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: Reminder FFF Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:12:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3043B.55DE27F0" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: High X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-103.7 required=5.7 tests=MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_PRIORITY_HIGH version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3043B.55DE27F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit REMINDER: Our next meeting will be on APRIL 18, at 12:15 pm, Building 202, Room B169. WIST at Argonne: An Evaluation of its Past, Present and Future. Maryka Bhattacharyya and Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz will summarize results of a newly-finalized report of the WIST Re-evaluation Subcommittee. At its 10th anniversary, the Argonne WIST Steering Committee decided to formally review the effectiveness of the WIST program and, based on this review, recommend program goals for the future. Members of the WIST Re-Evaluation Subcommittee carried out the following actions: · Conducted a survey of S&T women at ANL to identify needs and concerns · Compiled data on the number and grade level of S&T women to determine their status · Reviewed and revised structure, mission and goals of WIST to address current needs and climate · Generated recommendations for action by WIST and ANL management The results of these efforts will be summarized. Recommendations for a re-configuration of WIST to achieve a broader base of participation at ANL will be presented and discussed. Input from attendees will be vital in finalizing the new configuration and strengthening communication. 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To: "Harkay, Katherine C." , "Bhattacharyya, M. H." Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2003 15:07:56.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[204F0740:01C304F3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov id KAA00621 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rumor has it that the new job description for the IPNS position will be out next Tuesday. The person holding the position was an engineer with knowledge of Nuclear Regulatory Commission rules and regulations. Martha Miller IPNS -----Original Message----- From: Harkay, Katherine C. Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:02 PM To: Bhattacharyya, M. H. Cc: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: FW: IPNS Job Posting Maryka and wisttalk subscribers, It wasn't clear what job qualifications they are looking for. If they're looking for a physicist, I would recommend posting the job opening on the women in physics listserve (wiphys@aps.org). Best regards, Kathy Harkay >Dear Colleagues, >I would appreciate your getting back to me with suggestions >of where we could post a job opening for a leadership >position at IPNS that would >identify qualified female candidates. >We have a chance to provide input. Let's make it happen! >Thank you for your feedback! >Maryka Bhattacharyya >WIST Program Initiator for Argonne From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 17 15:35:10 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA21774 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21768 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28160 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28150 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E3E5F1786; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (cliff.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.17]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66065F1515 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (castanet.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.39]) by mcs.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h3HKZ4515504 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3E9F0FF8.3000800@mcs.anl.gov> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:35:04 -0500 From: Boyana Norris User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Work/family balance at ANL References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-131.9 required=5.7 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maryka, Thanks for initiating this discussion! I am an assistant scientist at MCS and also just had my second child in January. I would be very interested in finding out the experiences of women who are either at the same stage of their careers or have already passed it. My impression of Argonne's environment in terms of balancing career and family is mixed. On one hand, I can have a very flexible schedule, which is much appreciated. On the other hand, there is virtually zero support for child care. I don't consider Argonne's child care a particular benefit to Argonne employees -- we have used a more convenient, and in our opinion, better, non-Argonne-specific child care center. At different times, we have tried different options in search of the best arrangement, including using a day care center, help from relatives, or a nanny. For various reasons, these arrangements no longer work for us. For example, for about a year we won't use group child care (whether center or in-home) for our older child since he brings home infections that seriously affect the baby (so far we've had two hospitalizations before deciding to keep our oldest home). Obviously, we don't want to use group child care for the baby for the same reasons. My husband and I have decided to work on a split schedule, while taking care of our kids without hired help (and catch up on sleep in a year or two :-). Both of us work full-time; I've considered working part time, but it is not financially feasible for us at this time. We also get some help with the children and household tasks from my grandmother who lives with us. Another challenge in the last few years has been business travel. Even though everyone I've talked to agrees that having child care at conferences and other meetings is a good idea, I am yet to attend a meeting where child care of any type is being offered. I took my 3 month old daughter to a meeting last week, which was a generally positive experience, mainly because this was a group that meets regularly and is pretty closely-knit. Despite this, I don't think I would do this again -- there is just no support structure for pulling this off without a huge amount of stress. I have colleagues who bring children along, but usually they also bring a babysitter, as well, which can be prohibitively expensive. What I would like to find out is whether others on this list are in similar situations and have perhaps arrived at solutions that we just haven't thought of. I hope that there are many of us here, and that we can share our collective expertise with these everyday issues. Boyana mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: > Dear wisttalk subscribers, > I would like to invite you to join a dialogue among wisttalk subscribers > regarding experiences with work/family balance responsibilities at ANL, > along the lines of the WIPHYS dialogue. > > What work/family balance issues have you had to take responsibility for? > > How have you handled those responsibilities? Each family's approach is > bound to be very different and personal, depending on what family > members feel comfortable with in terms of arrangements for child care, > parent care, times of illness, etc. > > Where are we at Argonne in terms of providing an environment that > supports the coincident timing of high ambition to get a career started > and maximum investment in child care for those who start a family? > > We have a chance to learn from one another about what has worked well > for some of you, or what challenges have presented problems for you and > how you solved them. > > Your ideas/suggestions are welcome! > Maryka Bhattacharyya > WIST Program Initiator for Argonne From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 17 19:58:22 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA05726 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA05720 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:20 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA15526 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA15523 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: What is WIST and why has it survived? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:58:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C30545.99A697A0" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C30545.99A697A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C30545.99A697A0" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30545.99A697A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear wisttalkers, Have you ever wondered what WIST at Argonne is, and why is has survived as an organization since its start in 1990? Attached is a short file that address these two points in a very clear way. They were prepared for a meeting to be held with Dr. Grunder regarding the WIST report that will be discussed at tomorrow's First Friday Forum. Enjoy! Your comments/suggestions are welcome. See you tomorrow at FFF -- Bldg 202/RmB169(conf room off of back parking lot)/12:15pm Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30545.99A697A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Dear wisttalkers,
Have you ever wondered what WIST at Argonne is, and why is has survived as an organization since its start in 1990?
 
Attached is a short file that address these two points in a very clear way.  They were prepared for a meeting to be held with Dr. Grunder regarding the WIST report that will be discussed at tomorrow's First Friday Forum.
 
Enjoy!  Your comments/suggestions are welcome.
See you tomorrow at FFF -- Bldg 202/RmB169(conf room off of back parking lot)/12:15pm
Maryka Bhattacharyya
WIST Program Initiator for Argonne
 
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IAA06946 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:56:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06940 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:56:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10599 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:56:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from anchim.chm.anl.gov (anchim.chm.anl.gov [146.137.86.75]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10596 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:56:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by anchim.chm.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TBJC3JK>; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:46:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "VanWermeskerken, Nancy" To: "Norris, Boyana R." , wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk I have a 22 month old right now. From what I've heard from mothers who use/have used the day care center here, I would never consider sending my son there. I presently use a woman who has day care in her home. She came highly recommended, and my son loves going. Having worked in a child care facility during my undergrad, I much prefer a home environment. It is more personal, and there isn't that big turnover rate that some times occurs in a facility. He had quite a few colds the first year, but fortunately he hasn't had anything too serious, and we survived as well (barely). I fortunately don't travel like I used to, so I haven't had that problem. What I've run into is time at APS, which is around the clock. As Boyana pointed out, the message of family is two-fold. Everyone thinks it's great till it conflicts with taking on odd hours. Having the least seniority and being the young person in the group, I used to work all the overnights. But, now that is not physically possible with my son expecting me to then be up all day. I live an hour away, which is part of the problem. I can't just run him to the sitters so I can sleep. (I used a sitter close by so I could nurse at lunch when he was younger, and be close by if anything happened.) So, when we have APS time, my husband and I jockey our schedules around, and I stayed at the Guest House once to get a few hours sleep before I went home. Other than that, things work. I've been able to take time off for illnesses and doctor's appointments. I guess it helps to have a boss with children who understands. Anyway, that's my situation. Nancy. -----Original Message----- From: Norris, Boyana R. Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Work/family balance at ANL Maryka, Thanks for initiating this discussion! I am an assistant scientist at MCS and also just had my second child in January. I would be very interested in finding out the experiences of women who are either at the same stage of their careers or have already passed it. My impression of Argonne's environment in terms of balancing career and family is mixed. On one hand, I can have a very flexible schedule, which is much appreciated. On the other hand, there is virtually zero support for child care. I don't consider Argonne's child care a particular benefit to Argonne employees -- we have used a more convenient, and in our opinion, better, non-Argonne-specific child care center. At different times, we have tried different options in search of the best arrangement, including using a day care center, help from relatives, or a nanny. For various reasons, these arrangements no longer work for us. For example, for about a year we won't use group child care (whether center or in-home) for our older child since he brings home infections that seriously affect the baby (so far we've had two hospitalizations before deciding to keep our oldest home). Obviously, we don't want to use group child care for the baby for the same reasons. My husband and I have decided to work on a split schedule, while taking care of our kids without hired help (and catch up on sleep in a year or two :-). Both of us work full-time; I've considered working part time, but it is not financially feasible for us at this time. We also get some help with the children and household tasks from my grandmother who lives with us. Another challenge in the last few years has been business travel. Even though everyone I've talked to agrees that having child care at conferences and other meetings is a good idea, I am yet to attend a meeting where child care of any type is being offered. I took my 3 month old daughter to a meeting last week, which was a generally positive experience, mainly because this was a group that meets regularly and is pretty closely-knit. Despite this, I don't think I would do this again -- there is just no support structure for pulling this off without a huge amount of stress. I have colleagues who bring children along, but usually they also bring a babysitter, as well, which can be prohibitively expensive. What I would like to find out is whether others on this list are in similar situations and have perhaps arrived at solutions that we just haven't thought of. I hope that there are many of us here, and that we can share our collective expertise with these everyday issues. Boyana mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: > Dear wisttalk subscribers, > I would like to invite you to join a dialogue among wisttalk subscribers > regarding experiences with work/family balance responsibilities at ANL, > along the lines of the WIPHYS dialogue. > > What work/family balance issues have you had to take responsibility for? > > How have you handled those responsibilities? Each family's approach is > bound to be very different and personal, depending on what family > members feel comfortable with in terms of arrangements for child care, > parent care, times of illness, etc. > > Where are we at Argonne in terms of providing an environment that > supports the coincident timing of high ambition to get a career started > and maximum investment in child care for those who start a family? > > We have a chance to learn from one another about what has worked well > for some of you, or what challenges have presented problems for you and > how you solved them. > > Your ideas/suggestions are welcome! > Maryka Bhattacharyya > WIST Program Initiator for Argonne From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 18 09:28:51 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA08809 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:28:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08803 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:28:49 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17393 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:28:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17387 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:28:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:28:46 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tomczyk@anchim.chm.anl.gov, norris@mcs.anl.gov, wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:28:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Thanks to Boyana and Nancy for starting this conversation! I have a story too, and some thoughts, but will share sometime after the FFF today. Maryka Bhattacharyya -----Original Message----- From: VanWermeskerken, Nancy [mailto:Tomczyk@anchim.chm.anl.gov] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:47 AM To: Norris, Boyana R.; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL I have a 22 month old right now. From what I've heard from mothers who use/have used the day care center here, I would never consider sending my son there. I presently use a woman who has day care in her home. She came highly recommended, and my son loves going. Having worked in a child care facility during my undergrad, I much prefer a home environment. It is more personal, and there isn't that big turnover rate that some times occurs in a facility. He had quite a few colds the first year, but fortunately he hasn't had anything too serious, and we survived as well (barely). I fortunately don't travel like I used to, so I haven't had that problem. What I've run into is time at APS, which is around the clock. As Boyana pointed out, the message of family is two-fold. Everyone thinks it's great till it conflicts with taking on odd hours. Having the least seniority and being the young person in the group, I used to work all the overnights. But, now that is not physically possible with my son expecting me to then be up all day. I live an hour away, which is part of the problem. I can't just run him to the sitters so I can sleep. (I used a sitter close by so I could nurse at lunch when he was younger, and be close by if anything happened.) So, when we have APS time, my husband and I jockey our schedules around, and I stayed at the Guest House once to get a few hours sleep before I went home. Other than that, things work. I've been able to take time off for illnesses and doctor's appointments. I guess it helps to have a boss with children who understands. Anyway, that's my situation. Nancy. -----Original Message----- From: Norris, Boyana R. Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Work/family balance at ANL Maryka, Thanks for initiating this discussion! I am an assistant scientist at MCS and also just had my second child in January. I would be very interested in finding out the experiences of women who are either at the same stage of their careers or have already passed it. My impression of Argonne's environment in terms of balancing career and family is mixed. On one hand, I can have a very flexible schedule, which is much appreciated. On the other hand, there is virtually zero support for child care. I don't consider Argonne's child care a particular benefit to Argonne employees -- we have used a more convenient, and in our opinion, better, non-Argonne-specific child care center. At different times, we have tried different options in search of the best arrangement, including using a day care center, help from relatives, or a nanny. For various reasons, these arrangements no longer work for us. For example, for about a year we won't use group child care (whether center or in-home) for our older child since he brings home infections that seriously affect the baby (so far we've had two hospitalizations before deciding to keep our oldest home). Obviously, we don't want to use group child care for the baby for the same reasons. My husband and I have decided to work on a split schedule, while taking care of our kids without hired help (and catch up on sleep in a year or two :-). Both of us work full-time; I've considered working part time, but it is not financially feasible for us at this time. We also get some help with the children and household tasks from my grandmother who lives with us. Another challenge in the last few years has been business travel. Even though everyone I've talked to agrees that having child care at conferences and other meetings is a good idea, I am yet to attend a meeting where child care of any type is being offered. I took my 3 month old daughter to a meeting last week, which was a generally positive experience, mainly because this was a group that meets regularly and is pretty closely-knit. Despite this, I don't think I would do this again -- there is just no support structure for pulling this off without a huge amount of stress. I have colleagues who bring children along, but usually they also bring a babysitter, as well, which can be prohibitively expensive. What I would like to find out is whether others on this list are in similar situations and have perhaps arrived at solutions that we just haven't thought of. I hope that there are many of us here, and that we can share our collective expertise with these everyday issues. Boyana mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: > Dear wisttalk subscribers, > I would like to invite you to join a dialogue among wisttalk > subscribers > regarding experiences with work/family balance responsibilities at ANL, > along the lines of the WIPHYS dialogue. > > What work/family balance issues have you had to take responsibility > for? > > How have you handled those responsibilities? Each family's approach > is > bound to be very different and personal, depending on what family > members feel comfortable with in terms of arrangements for child care, > parent care, times of illness, etc. > > Where are we at Argonne in terms of providing an environment that > supports the coincident timing of high ambition to get a career started > and maximum investment in child care for those who start a family? > > We have a chance to learn from one another about what has worked well > for some of you, or what challenges have presented problems for you and > how you solved them. > > Your ideas/suggestions are welcome! > Maryka Bhattacharyya > WIST Program Initiator for Argonne From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 18 09:51:21 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA10155 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10149 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:19 -0500 (CDT) From: mschiffer@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23235 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23232 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:16 -0500 Received: from anl.gov (mschiffer.bio.anl.gov [146.139.234.146]) by biomail.bio.anl.gov with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id H1H4GV41; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:12 -0500 To: mhbhatt@anl.gov Cc: wisttalk@anl.gov Message-ID: <3EA010E0.6010806@anl.gov> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What is WIST and why has it survived? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050901030900060705040506" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk --------------050901030900060705040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to tell you all, that the First Friday Forum is not and has never been part of WIST to my knowledge and this independence could be important. Marianne Schiffer mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: Dear wisttalkers, Have you ever wondered what WIST at Argonne is, and why is has survived as an organization since its start in 1990? Attached is a short file that address these two points in a very clear way. They were prepared for a meeting to be held with Dr. Grunder regarding the WIST report that will be discussed at tomorrow's First Friday Forum. Enjoy! Your comments/suggestions are welcome. See you tomorrow at FFF -- Bldg 202/RmB169(conf room off of back parking lot)/12:15pm Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne --------------050901030900060705040506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to tell you all, that the First Friday Forum is not and has never been part of WIST to my knowledge and this independence could be important.

Marianne Schiffer

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Dear wisttalkers,
Have you ever wondered what WIST at Argonne is, and why is has survived as an organization since its start in 1990?
 
Attached is a short file that address these two points in a very clear way.  They were prepared for a meeting to be held with Dr. Grunder regarding the WIST report that will be discussed at tomorrow's First Friday Forum.
 
Enjoy!  Your comments/suggestions are welcome.
See you tomorrow at FFF -- Bldg 202/RmB169(conf room off of back parking lot)/12:15pm
Maryka Bhattacharyya
WIST Program Initiator for Argonne
 

--------------050901030900060705040506-- From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 18 10:41:17 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA13472 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13466 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06009 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06006 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988CF5F0CE6; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from woozle.fnal.gov (woozle.fnal.gov [131.225.9.22]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C57D5F0D67 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fnal.gov (CD-89429.dhcp.fnal.gov [131.225.82.224]) by woozle.fnal.gov (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.10 (built Jan 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HDJ00KN9Q8PLS@woozle.fnal.gov> for wisttalk@anl.gov; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:13 -0500 From: Bakul Banerjee Subject: Re: What is WIST and why has it survived? To: wisttalk@anl.gov Message-id: <3EA01C99.7020807@fnal.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 References: <3EA010E0.6010806@anl.gov> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-134.9 required=5.7 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Wisttalker, I agree with Marianne. First Friday Forum was originally designated as a forum for ALL ANL women, not just women in Science and Technology. The crucial difference was that FFF was not a Laboratory Management sponsored organization, where as WIST was. I am using the past tense, because I left Argonne 1.5 years ago and things might have changed. Cheers. Bakul Banerjee mschiffer@anl.gov wrote: > I hate to tell you all, that the First Friday Forum is not and has > never been part of WIST to my knowledge and this independence could be > important. > > Marianne Schiffer > > mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: > >> Dear wisttalkers, >> >> Have you ever wondered what WIST at Argonne is, and why is has >> survived as an organization since its start in 1990? >> >> >> >> Attached is a short file that address these two points in a very >> clear way. They were prepared for a meeting to be held with Dr. >> Grunder regarding the WIST report that will be discussed at >> tomorrow's First Friday Forum. >> >> >> >> Enjoy! Your comments/suggestions are welcome. >> >> See you tomorrow at FFF -- Bldg 202/RmB169(conf room off of back >> parking lot)/12:15pm >> >> Maryka Bhattacharyya >> >> WIST Program Initiator for Argonne >> >> >> > -- Bakul Banerjee, Ph.D. Project Engineer USCMS Software & Computing Project Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory POB 500, Batavia, IL 60510 Tel: +1 630 840 5251 FAX: +1 630 840 2783 USCMS web page: http://www.uscms.org From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 18 10:43:33 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA13654 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13648 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06581 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06573; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56AC5F12B6; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:42:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DE35F1138; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3IFft918571; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:41:55 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Cc: Subject: RE: What is WIST and why has it survived? Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:46:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C30597.D32F7850" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3EA010E0.6010806@anl.gov> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-114.5 required=5.7 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE, USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C30597.D32F7850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Marianne: Thank you for reminding us of the separation between FFF and WIST. Perhaps because we have found FFF to such an effective way to encourage networking, and an excellent place to broadcast WIST activities, we have let the distinction be blurred. We will keep that in mind. Cheers, Eliane. -----Original Message----- From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov]On Behalf Of mschiffer@anl.gov Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:51 AM To: mhbhatt@anl.gov Cc: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: What is WIST and why has it survived? I hate to tell you all, that the First Friday Forum is not and has never been part of WIST to my knowledge and this independence could be important. Marianne Schiffer mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: Dear wisttalkers, Have you ever wondered what WIST at Argonne is, and why is has survived as an organization since its start in 1990? Attached is a short file that address these two points in a very clear way. They were prepared for a meeting to be held with Dr. Grunder regarding the WIST report that will be discussed at tomorrow's First Friday Forum. Enjoy! Your comments/suggestions are welcome. See you tomorrow at FFF -- Bldg 202/RmB169(conf room off of back parking lot)/12:15pm Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C30597.D32F7850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear=20 Marianne:
 
Thank=20 you for reminding us of the separation between FFF and WIST. Perhaps = because we=20 have found FFF to such an effective way to encourage = networking, and=20 an excellent place to broadcast WIST activities, we have let the = distinction be=20 blurred.
We=20 will keep that in mind.
Cheers,
Eliane.
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From:=20 owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov=20 [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov]On Behalf Of=20 mschiffer@anl.gov
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:51=20 AM
To: mhbhatt@anl.gov
Cc:=20 wisttalk@anl.gov
Subject: Re: What is WIST and why has it=20 survived?

I hate to tell you all, that the First = Friday=20 Forum is not and has never been part of WIST to my knowledge and this=20 independence could be important.

Marianne Schiffer

mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote:
Dear=20 wisttalkers,
Have you ever=20 wondered what WIST at Argonne is, and why is has survived as an = organization=20 since its start in 1990?
 
Attached is a=20 short file that address these two points in a very clear=20 way.  They were prepared for a meeting to be held with Dr. = Grunder=20 regarding the WIST report that will be discussed at tomorrow's First = Friday=20 Forum.
 
Enjoy! =20 Your comments/suggestions are welcome.
See you tomorrow=20 at FFF -- Bldg 202/RmB169(conf room off of back parking=20 lot)/12:15pm
Maryka=20 Bhattacharyya
WIST Program=20 Initiator for Argonne
 

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C30597.D32F7850-- From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 18 10:44:01 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA13726 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:44:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13706 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06777 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ANLMAIL.anl.gov (anlmail1.anl.gov [146.137.222.30]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06746 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C305C1.4725FC4F" Subject: WIST Meeting/Organizational Concerns X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:43:37 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: WIST Meeting/Organizational Concerns thread-index: AcMFRZ3IvrEvEs+HROKZ1srFm2NppwAbGyIw From: "Giles, Carol A." To: Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C305C1.4725FC4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WISTTALK participants: Based on my observations while attending and helping out at many events and meetings in WIST over the better part of 12 years, I hope today's meeting addresses the subjects of organizational structure, representation, and communication. =20 =20 The following are my comments and recommendations offered to improve the organization so it acts more formally and inclusively: =20 Administration Write a mission or charter and goals/objectives for the group and Steering Committee to be met based on the needs of women (or audience) at ANL with their input. Make sure everyone knows what WIST is and how one becomes a member. =20 Who is WIST comprised of? =20 How does our group relate to the national group? Is there a regional group? Who is on the Steering Committee? Who decides Steering Committee membership? =20 Are members appointed? If so, how do they represent the rest of us? =20 Are only researchers on it? If non-researchers are to be on it, their issues should be addressed and represented as well. Are there by-laws? If so, all members should receive a copy, if not, there should be bylaws written. How are the other WIST groups in the country are set up? =20 Steering Committee Determine roles and responsibilities for the WIST Steering Committee and the general WIST population. Determine how decisions and issues of concern are to flow from the Steering Committee to the general WIST population and up to the Steering Committee. =20 How often does it meet? How does it keep minutes=20 How can minutes be available to WIST general population? How does the Steering Committee meet the needs of women at ANL? Does it represent its target audience or the group it is to represent? Is it a management group or a "women in science & tech representative committee" or both? It seems to be an unwieldy hybrid. How does the Steering Committee know how well it is doing and meeting needs and goals of the broader audience/membership? How can membership of the general group be increased or at least attendance at meetings? How can the continuity of projects be kept when personnel changes? The big SCSW event this year is an example of a missed opportunity for a smooth transition. How can information be better disseminated (and protected for the future and transitions) between new and old Steering Committee members, and to the general membership? =20 (In some ways, I feel as though our group, in particular, its leadership, for years has treated its general "members" the same way it complains about being treated by unenlightened men--"there, there little girl, don't worry your pretty little head about it. We know how to run things--just help when we need it." Not to mention the "this is the way we have always done it" fallback!) =20 Meetings How well does the First Friday Forum meet the needs of the women at ANL? Date, location(s), topics, format, content. (No slight meant to Eliane Lessner, who is doing an outstanding job with the programs!) How about including a 10- or 20-minute business segment at the beginning of the meeting to bring the attendees up to date on Steering Committee and upper management related activities? Questions and issues from the floor could also be entertained. There currently are no structured, regular business meetings. There is little notice of a business meeting instead of or in addition to a program meeting.=20 =20 Are men supposed to be part of the FFF? Some FFF attendees want to encourage men to attend, but it doesn't seem that men have been given a reason to or role to play in it. Is that part of our audience? Then their perspective and needs should be considered to make it more attractive to them. (Marketing!) =20 Important meetings such as today's should be held when the most attendees are likely to make it, not on a holiday like today when many people take off on Good Friday and prefer a 3-day weekend to a pseudo-business meeting at lunch. This isn't even a regularly scheduled meeting day for the group. (Another marketing issue.) (Even our regular FFF's have two things against them--people prefer to take off Fridays and Mondays for a 3-day weekend and the first Friday is usually not long after the calendar page turn.) =20 Meetings should have agendas posted prior to their start, plus close with action items and parties held responsible. While complaint sessions may work to vent for a while, they don't accomplish much. =20 Conclusion Unless we address our organizational issues and learn to market ourselves and our issues while being truthful and realistic (to maintain credibility), I predict we will keep spinning our wheels on nearly the same topics as had launched this group in 1990. It may be time to consider outside help in the form of a management consultant. The group appears in need of serious overhaul. =20 I am not sure whether I will be able to attend today, so I wanted to let you know of my concerns, in case anyone else has similar concerns and needs support. =20 Carol A. Giles, MPH, CIH Bldg. 200 2-3427 =20 =20 =20 =20 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C305C1.4725FC4F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Dear = WISTTALK=20 participants:
Based = on my=20 observations while attending and helping out at many events and=20 meetings in WIST over the better part of 12 years, I hope=20 today's meeting addresses the subjects = of organizational=20 structure, representation, and communication. =20
 
The = following are my=20 comments and recommendations offered to=20 improve the organization so it acts = more formally and=20 inclusively:
 
Administration
Write a mission=20 or charter and goals/objectives for the group and Steering Committee to = be=20 met based on the needs of women (or audience) at ANL = with=20 their input.
Make = sure everyone=20 knows what WIST is and how one becomes a=20 member.  
Who is = WIST=20 comprised of? 
How = does our group=20 relate to the national group?
Is = there a regional=20 group?
Who is = on the=20 Steering Committee?
Who decides=20 Steering Committee membership? 
Are = members=20 appointed?  If so, how do they represent the rest of = us? =20
Are = only researchers=20 on it?  If non-researchers are to be on it, their issues should be = addressed=20 and represented as well.
Are there by-laws?  If so, all members should = receive a=20 copy, if not, there should be bylaws written.
How = are the other=20 WIST groups in the country are set up?
 
Steering=20 Committee
Determine roles=20 and responsibilities for the WIST Steering Committee and the general = WIST=20 population.
Determine how=20 decisions and issues of concern are to flow from the Steering Committee = to the=20 general WIST population and up to the Steering Committee. =20
How = often does it=20 meet?
How = does it keep=20 minutes
How can=20 minutes be available to WIST general = population?
How does the = Steering Committee=20 meet the needs of women at ANL?
Does = it represent=20 its target audience or the group it is to represent?
Is it = a=20 management group or a "women in science & = tech representative=20 committee" or both?  It seems to be an unwieldy=20 hybrid.
How = does the=20 Steering Committee know how well it is doing and meeting needs and = goals of=20 the broader audience/membership?
How can membership of the = general group=20 be increased or at least attendance at meetings?
How can the continuity of projects be kept when = personnel=20 changes?  The big SCSW event this year is an example of a = missed=20 opportunity for a smooth transition.
How can=20 information be better disseminated (and protected for the future and=20 transitions) between new and old Steering Committee members, and to the = general=20 membership?
 
(In some=20 ways, I feel as though our group, in particular, its leadership, for = years has=20 treated its general "members" the same way it complains about being = treated=20 by unenlightened men--"there, there little girl, don't worry your pretty = little=20 head about it.  We know how to run things--just help when we = need=20 it."   Not to mention the "this is the way we have always done = it"=20 fallback!)
 
Meetings
How = well does the=20 First Friday Forum meet the needs of the women at ANL?  Date, = location(s),=20 topics, format, content.  (No slight meant to Eliane Lessner, who = is doing=20 an outstanding job with the programs!)
How = about including=20 a 10- or 20-minute business segment at the beginning of the meeting = to=20 bring the attendees up to date on Steering Committee and upper = management=20 related activities?  Questions and issues from the floor could also = be=20 entertained.  There currently are no structured, regular business=20 meetings.  There is little notice of a business meeting = instead of or=20 in addition to a program meeting.
 
Are = men supposed to=20 be part of the FFF?  Some FFF attendees want to encourage men = to=20 attend, but it doesn't seem that men have been given a reason to or role = to play=20 in it.  Is that part of our audience?  Then their=20 perspective and needs should be considered to make it more = attractive=20 to them.  (Marketing!)
 
Important meetings=20 such as today's should be held when the most attendees are likely to = make it,=20 not on a holiday like today when many people take off on Good = Friday and=20 prefer a 3-day weekend to a pseudo-business meeting at lunch.  This = isn't=20 even a regularly scheduled meeting day for the group.  (Another = marketing issue.)
(Even our=20 regular FFF's have two things against them--people prefer to take off = Fridays=20 and Mondays for a 3-day weekend and the first Friday is usually not long = after=20 the calendar page turn.)
 
Meetings should have=20 agendas posted prior to their start, plus close with action items and = parties=20 held responsible.  While complaint sessions may work to vent for a = while,=20 they don't accomplish much.
 
Conclusion
Unless we address our organizational=20 issues and learn to market ourselves and our issues while being = truthful=20 and realistic (to maintain credibility), I predict we will keep spinning = our=20 wheels on nearly the same topics as had launched this group in = 1990.  It=20 may be time to consider outside help in the form of a management=20 consultant.  The group appears in need of serious=20 overhaul.
 
I am = not sure=20 whether I will be able to attend today, so I wanted to let you know = of my=20 concerns, in case anyone else has similar concerns and needs=20 support.
 
Carol = A. Giles, MPH,=20 CIH
Bldg. 200
2-3427
 
 
 
 
=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C305C1.4725FC4F-- From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 18 11:07:30 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA14987 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14981 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:07:29 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12631 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:07:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12623; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:07:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: cgiles@anl.gov, wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: WIST Meeting/Organizational Concerns Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:07:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C305C4.9B05E6D0" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C305C4.9B05E6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Carol, With that much on your mind, I hope you are able to be there today. Many of the issues you raise will be addressed at today's meeting. Today's meeting needs to be seen as the start of a process. We will not be able to address all issues today. But we will make an important start and have put a LOT of work into getting where we are today. Let's keep the dialogue going until we reach an understanding on the major issues and have identified and initiated action items that follow from them. Maryka Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Giles, Carol A. Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:44 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: WIST Meeting/Organizational Concerns Dear WISTTALK participants: Based on my observations while attending and helping out at many events and meetings in WIST over the better part of 12 years, I hope today's meeting addresses the subjects of organizational structure, representation, and communication. The following are my comments and recommendations offered to improve the organization so it acts more formally and inclusively: Administration Write a mission or charter and goals/objectives for the group and Steering Committee to be met based on the needs of women (or audience) at ANL with their input. Make sure everyone knows what WIST is and how one becomes a member. Who is WIST comprised of? How does our group relate to the national group? Is there a regional group? Who is on the Steering Committee? Who decides Steering Committee membership? Are members appointed? If so, how do they represent the rest of us? Are only researchers on it? If non-researchers are to be on it, their issues should be addressed and represented as well. Are there by-laws? If so, all members should receive a copy, if not, there should be bylaws written. How are the other WIST groups in the country are set up? Steering Committee Determine roles and responsibilities for the WIST Steering Committee and the general WIST population. Determine how decisions and issues of concern are to flow from the Steering Committee to the general WIST population and up to the Steering Committee. How often does it meet? How does it keep minutes How can minutes be available to WIST general population? How does the Steering Committee meet the needs of women at ANL? Does it represent its target audience or the group it is to represent? Is it a management group or a "women in science & tech representative committee" or both? It seems to be an unwieldy hybrid. How does the Steering Committee know how well it is doing and meeting needs and goals of the broader audience/membership? How can membership of the general group be increased or at least attendance at meetings? How can the continuity of projects be kept when personnel changes? The big SCSW event this year is an example of a missed opportunity for a smooth transition. How can information be better disseminated (and protected for the future and transitions) between new and old Steering Committee members, and to the general membership? (In some ways, I feel as though our group, in particular, its leadership, for years has treated its general "members" the same way it complains about being treated by unenlightened men--"there, there little girl, don't worry your pretty little head about it. We know how to run things--just help when we need it." Not to mention the "this is the way we have always done it" fallback!) Meetings How well does the First Friday Forum meet the needs of the women at ANL? Date, location(s), topics, format, content. (No slight meant to Eliane Lessner, who is doing an outstanding job with the programs!) How about including a 10- or 20-minute business segment at the beginning of the meeting to bring the attendees up to date on Steering Committee and upper management related activities? Questions and issues from the floor could also be entertained. There currently are no structured, regular business meetings. There is little notice of a business meeting instead of or in addition to a program meeting. Are men supposed to be part of the FFF? Some FFF attendees want to encourage men to attend, but it doesn't seem that men have been given a reason to or role to play in it. Is that part of our audience? Then their perspective and needs should be considered to make it more attractive to them. (Marketing!) Important meetings such as today's should be held when the most attendees are likely to make it, not on a holiday like today when many people take off on Good Friday and prefer a 3-day weekend to a pseudo-business meeting at lunch. This isn't even a regularly scheduled meeting day for the group. (Another marketing issue.) (Even our regular FFF's have two things against them--people prefer to take off Fridays and Mondays for a 3-day weekend and the first Friday is usually not long after the calendar page turn.) Meetings should have agendas posted prior to their start, plus close with action items and parties held responsible. While complaint sessions may work to vent for a while, they don't accomplish much. Conclusion Unless we address our organizational issues and learn to market ourselves and our issues while being truthful and realistic (to maintain credibility), I predict we will keep spinning our wheels on nearly the same topics as had launched this group in 1990. It may be time to consider outside help in the form of a management consultant. The group appears in need of serious overhaul. I am not sure whether I will be able to attend today, so I wanted to let you know of my concerns, in case anyone else has similar concerns and needs support. Carol A. Giles, MPH, CIH Bldg. 200 2-3427 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C305C4.9B05E6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Carol,
With that much on your mind, I hope you are able to be there today.  Many of the issues you raise will be addressed at today's meeting. 
 
Today's meeting needs to be seen as the start of a process.  We will not be able to address all issues today.  But we will make an important start and have put a LOT of work into getting where we are today.
 
Let's keep the dialogue going until we reach an understanding on the major issues and have identified and initiated action items that follow from them.
Maryka
 
 

Senior Biochemist

Biosciences Division

Argonne National Laboratory

phone: 630-252-3923

fax: 630-252-5517

email: mhbhatt@anl.gov

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Giles, Carol A.
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:44 AM
To: wisttalk@anl.gov
Subject: WIST Meeting/Organizational Concerns

Dear WISTTALK participants:
Based on my observations while attending and helping out at many events and meetings in WIST over the better part of 12 years, I hope today's meeting addresses the subjects of organizational structure, representation, and communication. 
 
The following are my comments and recommendations offered to improve the organization so it acts more formally and inclusively:
 
Administration
Write a mission or charter and goals/objectives for the group and Steering Committee to be met based on the needs of women (or audience) at ANL with their input.
Make sure everyone knows what WIST is and how one becomes a member.  
Who is WIST comprised of? 
How does our group relate to the national group?
Is there a regional group?
Who is on the Steering Committee?
Who decides Steering Committee membership? 
Are members appointed?  If so, how do they represent the rest of us? 
Are only researchers on it?  If non-researchers are to be on it, their issues should be addressed and represented as well.
Are there by-laws?  If so, all members should receive a copy, if not, there should be bylaws written.
How are the other WIST groups in the country are set up?
 
Steering Committee
Determine roles and responsibilities for the WIST Steering Committee and the general WIST population.
Determine how decisions and issues of concern are to flow from the Steering Committee to the general WIST population and up to the Steering Committee. 
How often does it meet?
How does it keep minutes
How can minutes be available to WIST general population?
How does the Steering Committee meet the needs of women at ANL?
Does it represent its target audience or the group it is to represent?
Is it a management group or a "women in science & tech representative committee" or both?  It seems to be an unwieldy hybrid.
How does the Steering Committee know how well it is doing and meeting needs and goals of the broader audience/membership?
How can membership of the general group be increased or at least attendance at meetings?
How can the continuity of projects be kept when personnel changes?  The big SCSW event this year is an example of a missed opportunity for a smooth transition.
How can information be better disseminated (and protected for the future and transitions) between new and old Steering Committee members, and to the general membership?
 
(In some ways, I feel as though our group, in particular, its leadership, for years has treated its general "members" the same way it complains about being treated by unenlightened men--"there, there little girl, don't worry your pretty little head about it.  We know how to run things--just help when we need it."   Not to mention the "this is the way we have always done it" fallback!)
 
Meetings
How well does the First Friday Forum meet the needs of the women at ANL?  Date, location(s), topics, format, content.  (No slight meant to Eliane Lessner, who is doing an outstanding job with the programs!)
How about including a 10- or 20-minute business segment at the beginning of the meeting to bring the attendees up to date on Steering Committee and upper management related activities?  Questions and issues from the floor could also be entertained.  There currently are no structured, regular business meetings.  There is little notice of a business meeting instead of or in addition to a program meeting.
 
Are men supposed to be part of the FFF?  Some FFF attendees want to encourage men to attend, but it doesn't seem that men have been given a reason to or role to play in it.  Is that part of our audience?  Then their perspective and needs should be considered to make it more attractive to them.  (Marketing!)
 
Important meetings such as today's should be held when the most attendees are likely to make it, not on a holiday like today when many people take off on Good Friday and prefer a 3-day weekend to a pseudo-business meeting at lunch.  This isn't even a regularly scheduled meeting day for the group.  (Another marketing issue.)
(Even our regular FFF's have two things against them--people prefer to take off Fridays and Mondays for a 3-day weekend and the first Friday is usually not long after the calendar page turn.)
 
Meetings should have agendas posted prior to their start, plus close with action items and parties held responsible.  While complaint sessions may work to vent for a while, they don't accomplish much.
 
Conclusion
Unless we address our organizational issues and learn to market ourselves and our issues while being truthful and realistic (to maintain credibility), I predict we will keep spinning our wheels on nearly the same topics as had launched this group in 1990.  It may be time to consider outside help in the form of a management consultant.  The group appears in need of serious overhaul.
 
I am not sure whether I will be able to attend today, so I wanted to let you know of my concerns, in case anyone else has similar concerns and needs support.
 
Carol A. Giles, MPH, CIH
Bldg. 200
2-3427
 
 
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C305C4.9B05E6D0-- From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 18 12:11:47 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA18654 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18648 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27770 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@iotaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.56.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27761 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3IHBgr02411 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aps.anl.gov(164.54.8.141) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAxMaORe; Fri, 18 Apr 03 12:11:41 -0500 Received: from aps.anl.gov (cumulus.aps.anl.gov [164.54.55.245]) by epics.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3IHBcQ27391; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EA031CA.6B1FD9C1@aps.anl.gov> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:11:43 -0500 From: Liz Moog Reply-To: moog@aps.anl.gov Organization: Advanced Photon Source X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "VanWermeskerken, Nancy" CC: wisttalk@anl.gov, Rosario Torres Subject: Re: Work/family balance at ANL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nancy and others: I sent my daughter to the Argonne Day Care Center some time ago. She was one of the kids that started there when the center first opened, and she attended until she 'graduated'. (She is now in 8th grade!) When she attended, the center was a good quality place - a good selection of toys and kidstuff, the teachers were good, etc. I learned how to better deal with children by watching how the teachers handled their classes and individual kids. My daughter was well prepared for school (she even went to kindergarten at the center - in the early days there was space enough to run a kindergarten program, and a certified kindergarten teacher), and I think the center did well by her. >From your comment and others I have heard, it is apparently no longer such a quality place. This issue was raised with Murray Gibson by some of the APS staff women, and he is pursuing it with others in Lab management. If you have more, or specific information about problems there, they need to be known so they can be addressed. I'd be glad to compile comments if you want to send things to me (moog@aps.anl.gov), or send them to Murray's assistant who is helping him on this issue, Rose Torres (rt@aps.anl.gov). It's a real shame if the center can't be maintained as the high-quality center it was intended and designed to be! (One of the original goals was to make it low-turnover.) --Liz Moog "VanWermeskerken, Nancy" wrote: > I have a 22 month old right now. From what I've heard from mothers who > use/have used the day care center here, I would never consider sending my > son there. I presently use a woman who has day care in her home. From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 10:13:11 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA22534 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22527 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15952 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15949 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79CE5F0F37; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dis.anl.gov (astoria.dis.anl.gov [146.137.80.99]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765F85F0F37 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from landshut (landshut [146.137.92.52]) by dis.anl.gov (8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16760 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200304211513.KAA16760@dis.anl.gov> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:13:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Mary Ann Widing Reply-To: Mary Ann Widing Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL To: wisttalk@anl.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: gGQxtNcemf0UBrafmwgkHQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-99.6 required=5.7 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST,WORK_AT_HOME version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk My experience at Argonne has been excellent. I have worked in DIS as a systems engineer for 15 years and everyone has always been very supportive. After the birth of my first child I was allowed to work at home for a few months so I could breastfeed and train a part time nanny. My group let me switch to part time and is very flexible and understanding about travel. In my experience, having a nanny in your own home works well for infants and if you have more than one small child. My oldest child starts 1st grade in the fall and my second will be old enough for preschool, so we are going to switch to having him in a daycare/preschool during the day. In the summer, we will use a sitter for both of them in our home, so they have more time to interact with each other. We did not use the Argonne center for several reasons. We prefer a nanny for infants because of the amount of control it gives you. We were also concerned with the virus issue. Now that my son is older, we will be using a center close to home so that we can use the same facilities to pick him up from kindergarten. Arranging child care is one of the most stressful issues a working mother has to deal with. I think it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation and to review it periodically to make sure it still fits your needs. Mary Ann Widing From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 11:52:12 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA00228 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:52:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00222 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:52:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14258 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:52:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hrexchange.hrweb (hrexchange.hr.anl.gov [146.137.12.2]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14251 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:52:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: by hrexchange.hr.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:50:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1DA93FBFDFECD111AF4400104B943DDCB9F107@hrexchange.hr.anl.gov> From: "Stepuszek, Peggy" To: "'wisttalk@anl.gov'" Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:50:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk I agree with Mary Ann when she said it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation. My children are 8 and 10 now. When they were babies, my neighbor watch them. She was a stay at home Mom with children my children's ages. It was a wonderful situation. Her oldest and my oldest are 6 months apart and they like brothers. When they were old enough we sent them to preschool. My husband and I had considered the Argonne Day Care. We did not choose them mainly because they were not flexible with the schedule. For example, when we would be on Christmas break you would still be charged for the week that they did not attend. Plus, fortunately, my husband schedule is very flexible and he was able to alter it to minimize the amount of time they spent in day care. Which in turn, lowered the cost. Therefore, it made sense to choose a facility closer to his place of employment. Best wishes on your quest, Peggy Stepuszek -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ann Widing [mailto:widing@dis.anl.gov] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:13 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL My experience at Argonne has been excellent. I have worked in DIS as a systems engineer for 15 years and everyone has always been very supportive. After the birth of my first child I was allowed to work at home for a few months so I could breastfeed and train a part time nanny. My group let me switch to part time and is very flexible and understanding about travel. In my experience, having a nanny in your own home works well for infants and if you have more than one small child. My oldest child starts 1st grade in the fall and my second will be old enough for preschool, so we are going to switch to having him in a daycare/preschool during the day. In the summer, we will use a sitter for both of them in our home, so they have more time to interact with each other. We did not use the Argonne center for several reasons. We prefer a nanny for infants because of the amount of control it gives you. We were also concerned with the virus issue. Now that my son is older, we will be using a center close to home so that we can use the same facilities to pick him up from kindergarten. Arranging child care is one of the most stressful issues a working mother has to deal with. I think it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation and to review it periodically to make sure it still fits your needs. Mary Ann Widing From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 13:20:19 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA06996 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06990 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:20:17 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05127 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05124 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:20:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Dear wisttalkers, Thanks to each of you who has begun a dialogue on work/family balance issues among Argonne staff members. These issues have been shown to be important to the career development of professional women, especially early in their careers. I think that support during the early parenting period through networking, or other means, can enable one to find workable solutions, even when the challenges become overwhelming, as they will. Would a group of you who are interested in this topic like to form a parenting listserv on which parents on staff at Argonne share experiences and solutions? Participants could also sponsor meetings, speakers, whatever you as a group come up with. This listserv could start with interested wisttalkers, but could expand to both male and female parents. Please let me know if you would like to participate in a parenting -- work/family balance listserv, and I will try to set one up if it looks like it will fill a need. I for one would like to be a part of it, to see if there is anything WIST could do that comes out of your interaction. All the best, Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Stepuszek, Peggy A. Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:50 AM To: 'wisttalk@anl.gov' Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL I agree with Mary Ann when she said it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation. My children are 8 and 10 now. When they were babies, my neighbor watch them. She was a stay at home Mom with children my children's ages. It was a wonderful situation. Her oldest and my oldest are 6 months apart and they like brothers. When they were old enough we sent them to preschool. My husband and I had considered the Argonne Day Care. We did not choose them mainly because they were not flexible with the schedule. For example, when we would be on Christmas break you would still be charged for the week that they did not attend. Plus, fortunately, my husband schedule is very flexible and he was able to alter it to minimize the amount of time they spent in day care. Which in turn, lowered the cost. Therefore, it made sense to choose a facility closer to his place of employment. Best wishes on your quest, Peggy Stepuszek -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ann Widing [mailto:widing@dis.anl.gov] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:13 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL My experience at Argonne has been excellent. I have worked in DIS as a systems engineer for 15 years and everyone has always been very supportive. After the birth of my first child I was allowed to work at home for a few months so I could breastfeed and train a part time nanny. My group let me switch to part time and is very flexible and understanding about travel. In my experience, having a nanny in your own home works well for infants and if you have more than one small child. My oldest child starts 1st grade in the fall and my second will be old enough for preschool, so we are going to switch to having him in a daycare/preschool during the day. In the summer, we will use a sitter for both of them in our home, so they have more time to interact with each other. We did not use the Argonne center for several reasons. We prefer a nanny for infants because of the amount of control it gives you. We were also concerned with the virus issue. Now that my son is older, we will be using a center close to home so that we can use the same facilities to pick him up from kindergarten. Arranging child care is one of the most stressful issues a working mother has to deal with. I think it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation and to review it periodically to make sure it still fits your needs. Mary Ann Widing From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 14:24:37 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA11751 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:24:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11745 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:24:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22375 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:24:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@iotaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.56.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22372 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:24:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3LJOZl14852 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:24:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aps.anl.gov(164.54.8.141) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAupaW_C; Mon, 21 Apr 03 14:24:33 -0500 Received: from aps.anl.gov (aodpc11.aps.anl.gov [164.54.84.212]) by epics.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3LJOXQ29186 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:24:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EA445B7.F811DF72@aps.anl.gov> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:25:43 -0500 From: Julie Alderman Organization: aps X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/Family Balance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am so glad that people are ready to discuss this issue, as it is something that has impacted me greatly over the past 2 years. My son is now 21 months old and we originally started out at Argonne's daycare because of the great reputation it supposedly had. We were more than willing to pay the higher prices because we thought we were going to receive higher quality care. We soon found out this was not the case. Illness was a huge problem at the center, but I think that's something that you have to deal with at any daycare facility. Our problems had to do with the attitudes of staff members at the center as well as poorly handled incidents, which I will explain. I spent my lunch hour at the center everyday for a year so I saw a lot more than most other parents who just dropped their kids off in the morning and picked them up at night. We noticed a general know-it-all attitude when it came to the children in the sense that the staff that we dealt with directly felt they knew more about the babies than their own parents did. They did not have a lot of respect for the parents. I also witnessed very rough handling of a toddler by one of the teachers. I approached the director about it and she was supposed to look into it. In the mean time I heard from another parent who witnessed something similar by the same teacher and had also confronted the director. I went back to the director to see what had been about the situation and discussed what the other parent had also told me. At that time I was told that the other parent was "a liar" and that the teacher was probably just having a bad day. I was so upset that I ended up calling the director of Bright Horizons (the Argonne director's supervisor). She was sympathetic but nothing really came out of the situation. I told them that I would not allow my son to move into that room with that teacher and they pretty much told me that daycare center's aren't for everyone and maybe I should look into some other type of care for our son. I was not expecting perfection, but I did expect a setting where I felt my child would be safe and not dragged around by his arm or slammed into a chair. As a result of these incidents we pulled our son out of the center and now have him in a home daycare that we are thrilled with. I just wish there would have been someone at Argonne that could intervene on behalf of concerned parents and look into issues like this. I hit a dead end and had to pull my child out of the center as a result. I was not the only one. I know of two other families from the APS who pulled their children out of the center last year due to similar concerns. Aside from the daycare issues I have also had problems with Argonne's so-called family leave. There is no such thing as "maternity leave" at Argonne, just family leave. This means that when you have a child you must cover the time off after the birth with your sick and vacation time. For most new moms, this means you come back to work with little or no vacation time left. This is not a problem if your child never gets sick. However, if he/she is enrolled at Argonne's daycare center be prepared for a lot of illnesses. I ended up taking excused/no pay days to stay home with my son when he was sick because I didn't have any vacation time left following family leave. After a few months I received a letter stating that I had used too much excused/ no pay time and I must now go to a part-time schedule. They were forcing me to cut my hours! At that time I was already considering going to a part-time schedule due to work/family conflicts, but for those who cannot go part-time this policy is very unfair. Overall I have sensed a lot of negativity here at Argonne when it comes to my responsibilities as an employee in relation to my responsibilities as a mother. I believe that I've lost a lot of credibility just because I have a family now and I cannot completely focus on my work like I used to. Julie Alderman From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 14:43:00 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA13101 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:42:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13042 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:42:58 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27487 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:42:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27484 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:42:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:42:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: FW: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:42:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Dear all, It was pointed out to me that I restricted my last message (see below) to Argonne staff members. That was a mistake. I did not mean to be restrictive. The work/family discussion and invitation to join a parenting listserv is open to all who are interested. Just email me to say you want to be on the listserv. I am collecting messages in a folder from all who are interested and will set up the listserv as soon as possible if there is enough interest. Another point that came back to me was that there are many family issues that typically fall under a woman's care that have nothing to do with parenting but still impact career development -- another point of discussion. Maryka Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:20 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL Dear wisttalkers, Thanks to each of you who has begun a dialogue on work/family balance issues among Argonne staff members. These issues have been shown to be important to the career development of professional women, especially early in their careers. I think that support during the early parenting period through networking, or other means, can enable one to find workable solutions, even when the challenges become overwhelming, as they will. Would a group of you who are interested in this topic like to form a parenting listserv on which parents on staff at Argonne share experiences and solutions? Participants could also sponsor meetings, speakers, whatever you as a group come up with. This listserv could start with interested wisttalkers, but could expand to both male and female parents. Please let me know if you would like to participate in a parenting -- work/family balance listserv, and I will try to set one up if it looks like it will fill a need. I for one would like to be a part of it, to see if there is anything WIST could do that comes out of your interaction. All the best, Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Stepuszek, Peggy A. Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:50 AM To: 'wisttalk@anl.gov' Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL I agree with Mary Ann when she said it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation. My children are 8 and 10 now. When they were babies, my neighbor watch them. She was a stay at home Mom with children my children's ages. It was a wonderful situation. Her oldest and my oldest are 6 months apart and they like brothers. When they were old enough we sent them to preschool. My husband and I had considered the Argonne Day Care. We did not choose them mainly because they were not flexible with the schedule. For example, when we would be on Christmas break you would still be charged for the week that they did not attend. Plus, fortunately, my husband schedule is very flexible and he was able to alter it to minimize the amount of time they spent in day care. Which in turn, lowered the cost. Therefore, it made sense to choose a facility closer to his place of employment. Best wishes on your quest, Peggy Stepuszek -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ann Widing [mailto:widing@dis.anl.gov] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:13 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL My experience at Argonne has been excellent. I have worked in DIS as a systems engineer for 15 years and everyone has always been very supportive. After the birth of my first child I was allowed to work at home for a few months so I could breastfeed and train a part time nanny. My group let me switch to part time and is very flexible and understanding about travel. In my experience, having a nanny in your own home works well for infants and if you have more than one small child. My oldest child starts 1st grade in the fall and my second will be old enough for preschool, so we are going to switch to having him in a daycare/preschool during the day. In the summer, we will use a sitter for both of them in our home, so they have more time to interact with each other. We did not use the Argonne center for several reasons. We prefer a nanny for infants because of the amount of control it gives you. We were also concerned with the virus issue. Now that my son is older, we will be using a center close to home so that we can use the same facilities to pick him up from kindergarten. Arranging child care is one of the most stressful issues a working mother has to deal with. I think it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation and to review it periodically to make sure it still fits your needs. Mary Ann Widing From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 15:20:22 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA15936 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15930 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07475 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07472 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8EA5F115E; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 900exch.dis.anl.gov (900exch.dis.anl.gov [146.137.100.10]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C595A5F115E for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: by 900exch.dis.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2X3GT8JG>; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <05A0AD15066D9F4A846D26F66FE637EE23A60B@900exch.dis.anl.gov> From: "Sydelko, Pamela J." To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/Family Balance Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:20:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.7 tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Wow, I am so surprised to hear these comments about Argonne's Child Development Center. Granted, my daughter is now 9 years old, so it has been awhile since she was at ACDC, but my husband (who also works at ANL) and I really felt good about the level of care our daughter received. I liked the ability to go over to breastfeed when my daughter was an infant or the ability to easily have lunch with her as she got older. We knew that if she got sick or hurt, one of us could get over there very quickly. If she would have been at another center or at home, I would not have had much access to spending time with her. She did go through a period of a lot ear infections, which can happen in a center environment, but we also felt that ACDC did a lot to communicate with parents about sicknesses and emphasized keeping your child home when they were contagious. I also had a good relationship with all her child care providers and often discussed concerted efforts toward behavioral issues. I learned a lot from them about general child development, but always felt they respected me and recognized that I knew my daughter best. I am so sorry that things appear to have changed. My daughter now goes to summer camp at ACDC and has since she was in kindergarten. Again, we have been really pleased with that program also. We often pick her up for lunch or take her to the park for a picnic. Again, having her so close gives us so much opportunity for that sort of thing. Overall, I often talk with mothers in other career situations and think what I have experienced here at Argonne as a working mother has been excellent. I have the flexibility to take care of my family's needs and have always felt supported by my supervisors. I'm truly sorry to hear that it has not been the case for others. It would certainly seem worth it to press to improve the situation there, as it could and should be a wonderful resource to many Argonne parents. Pam Sydelko -----Original Message----- From: Julie Alderman [mailto:alderman@aps.anl.gov] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 2:26 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/Family Balance I am so glad that people are ready to discuss this issue, as it is something that has impacted me greatly over the past 2 years. My son is now 21 months old and we originally started out at Argonne's daycare because of the great reputation it supposedly had. We were more than willing to pay the higher prices because we thought we were going to receive higher quality care. We soon found out this was not the case. Illness was a huge problem at the center, but I think that's something that you have to deal with at any daycare facility. Our problems had to do with the attitudes of staff members at the center as well as poorly handled incidents, which I will explain. I spent my lunch hour at the center everyday for a year so I saw a lot more than most other parents who just dropped their kids off in the morning and picked them up at night. We noticed a general know-it-all attitude when it came to the children in the sense that the staff that we dealt with directly felt they knew more about the babies than their own parents did. They did not have a lot of respect for the parents. I also witnessed very rough handling of a toddler by one of the teachers. I approached the director about it and she was supposed to look into it. In the mean time I heard from another parent who witnessed something similar by the same teacher and had also confronted the director. I went back to the director to see what had been about the situation and discussed what the other parent had also told me. At that time I was told that the other parent was "a liar" and that the teacher was probably just having a bad day. I was so upset that I ended up calling the director of Bright Horizons (the Argonne director's supervisor). She was sympathetic but nothing really came out of the situation. I told them that I would not allow my son to move into that room with that teacher and they pretty much told me that daycare center's aren't for everyone and maybe I should look into some other type of care for our son. I was not expecting perfection, but I did expect a setting where I felt my child would be safe and not dragged around by his arm or slammed into a chair. As a result of these incidents we pulled our son out of the center and now have him in a home daycare that we are thrilled with. I just wish there would have been someone at Argonne that could intervene on behalf of concerned parents and look into issues like this. I hit a dead end and had to pull my child out of the center as a result. I was not the only one. I know of two other families from the APS who pulled their children out of the center last year due to similar concerns. Aside from the daycare issues I have also had problems with Argonne's so-called family leave. There is no such thing as "maternity leave" at Argonne, just family leave. This means that when you have a child you must cover the time off after the birth with your sick and vacation time. For most new moms, this means you come back to work with little or no vacation time left. This is not a problem if your child never gets sick. However, if he/she is enrolled at Argonne's daycare center be prepared for a lot of illnesses. I ended up taking excused/no pay days to stay home with my son when he was sick because I didn't have any vacation time left following family leave. After a few months I received a letter stating that I had used too much excused/ no pay time and I must now go to a part-time schedule. They were forcing me to cut my hours! At that time I was already considering going to a part-time schedule due to work/family conflicts, but for those who cannot go part-time this policy is very unfair. Overall I have sensed a lot of negativity here at Argonne when it comes to my responsibilities as an employee in relation to my responsibilities as a mother. I believe that I've lost a lot of credibility just because I have a family now and I cannot completely focus on my work like I used to. Julie Alderman From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 15:55:08 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA17952 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:55:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17946 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:55:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16452 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:55:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ANLMAIL.anl.gov (anlmail1.anl.gov [146.137.222.30]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16447 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:55:06 -0500 (CDT) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C30848.499486B5" Subject: Family Care X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Family Care thread-index: AcMISEnaMfV/t1uYS8akBOAY6A4QSw== From: "Andrews, Dorothy" To: Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30848.499486B5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the other end of the family issue spectrum, when my ancient parents were ill or dying, I found the lab to be quite willing to let me have days and even half days off as needed.=20 While my husband was dying, which took months, the same was true. No family leave was used, just vacation days or "personal" time when it was a couple of hours out of the day to keep doctor appointments.=20 Apparently a good deal of how each case is handled depends on the direct supervisor and his or her attitude toward compassionate cooperation with their people. My department was willing to arrange for computer access to my pc here so I could do any urgent work from home. This was a real luxury and prevented a deadly overload each time I returned. In all instances, my department and division were totally supportive. =20 Dorothy Andrews =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30848.499486B5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From the other end = of the family issue spectrum, when my ancient parents were ill or dying, I = found the lab to be quite willing to let me have days and even half days off as = needed.

While my husband = was dying, which took months, the same was true. No family leave was used, just = vacation days or "personal" time when it was a couple of hours out of = the day to keep doctor appointments.

Apparently a good = deal of how each case is handled depends on the direct supervisor and his or her attitude toward compassionate cooperation with their people. My = department was willing to arrange for computer access to my pc here so I could do any = urgent work from home.  This was a real luxury and prevented a deadly = overload each time I returned. In all instances, my department and division were = totally supportive.

 

Dorothy = Andrews

 

 

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30848.499486B5-- From owner-women-in-science Mon Apr 21 16:56:09 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA22242 for women-in-science-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22227 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01908 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01900 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B1C5F10FB; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from heffalump.fnal.gov (heffalump.fnal.gov [131.225.9.20]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDDC5F0FAA for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fnal.gov (CD-89429.dhcp.fnal.gov [131.225.82.224]) by heffalump.fnal.gov (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.10 (built Jan 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HDP0032SRLHJH@heffalump.fnal.gov> for wisttalk@anl.gov; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:56:05 -0500 From: Bakul Banerjee Subject: Re: Work/Family Balance To: wisttalk@anl.gov Message-id: <3EA468F5.5020506@fnal.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 References: <05A0AD15066D9F4A846D26F66FE637EE23A60B@900exch.dis.anl.gov> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-112.4 required=5.7 tests=REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear all, Thanks Maryka for bringing up the subject that seemed to have touched many hearts! During my 10 year tenure at Argonne, my supervisors were excellent in accommodating my family life, although my children were fairly grown up by then. Before that I worked for Rockwell International. My two daughters went to Kindercare and I worked quite close by. My reason for choosing Kindercare was primarily the security it provided. I admit it was expensive and institutional. Fortunately for my daughters, the center they attended was new and had great facilities and summer programs. They had an open door policy, so that I could visit my children any time I wished. I did make many surprise visits and found my children well-cared for. On the hindsight, I realized another advantage. Because they were with so many children, they developed a very strong immunity. They got sick very rarely. When my oldest daughter was an infant, I tried a home based day care person who came highly recommended. She seemed to be exceptionally nice when I saw her before and after work. However, I had a terrible experience after I stopped taking my daughter to her because I was moving. I stopped by her place to say good bye unannounced, since I was walk my child in the area. I saw her door open. A small child was screaming his head off in a baby seat near the open door and nobody was around. I tried to locate the lady by going to the back door as well for about ten minutes. I found out few other troubling things about the family later. I do wish to emphasize that home based care giver can be wonderful. It was probably my own dumb luck. As Lynn Garren said in her letter to WIPHY (forwarded by Eliane), I realized early on that it will impossible for me to re-enter the scientific world, if I choose to stay home temporarily. I believe that only way one can re-enter the world of science in a decent manner is to have a sponsor of reasonable strength. I did not think I had any. So, I chose to continue working. However, I did give up fast-track jobs and my social life to be with my children as much as I could. I am happy to say that my children are doing fine. Being a professional, I am very involved with their education and careers as well. I am getting back to my social life a little bit more. However, I am still searching for a sponsor or mentor. How about putting an ad. in the Argonne News or Fermilab News? Any other ideas, folks? Cheers. Bakul. Bakul Banerjee Project Engineer USCMS Software & Computing Project Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory POB 500, Batavia, IL 60510 Tel: +1 630 840 5251 FAX: +1 630 840 2783 USCMS web page: http://www.uscms.org From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 10:02:32 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA15322 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:02:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15316 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24204 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ANLMAIL.anl.gov (anlmail1.anl.gov [146.137.222.30]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24201 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FW: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:02:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3E51037BD9A8974789A8741A979534CA37CF43@ANLMAIL.anl.gov> Thread-Topic: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL thread-index: AcMI2yLGgxpHdmDEQHqag5E1F941EAAAfs6g From: "Grom, Elizabeth F." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov id KAA15317 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All, Attached is an e-mail that I had sent Maryka earlier this morning. She had suggested that I forward it to wisttalk, and so that is what I've done. To elaborate a little more, my former company had a rather lousy maternity policy. Maternity actually fell under the short-term disability policy, which paid out 60% of your salary up to a maximum of $355 per week for the period of one's "disability". As most of you know, as a professional, $355 per week does not even come close to what a professional engineer or scientist makes. I had to supplement the policy with my banked sick time (we were given a maximum of 10 days per year -- this is the industry standard). Luckily, before my child was born, I rarely took my sick days, and so I had enough banked time along with my vacation time to take 12 weeks off with full pay. However, I used every last minute of my sick and vacation time, so after my son was born, I ended up having to take time without pay whenever he was sick. Also, if I chose to have baby #2 in about 2 years, I would be without all of my banked sick time, and therefore would have had to take maternity without much pay. When our child was 16 weeks old (my husband took 4 weeks off without pay on FMLA after I went back to work), we started him in a home daycare. We were very happy with the situation (aside from me working long hours) up until shortly before I started at Argonne. Our provider took on a third infant, which I believe stretched her too thin. Daycare providers (especially home providers) make very little money, and she was trying to offset her "overhead" costs of running it out of her home. The straw that broke the camels back occurred last week, when she told me that she'd put our son in his crib in the nap room and shut the door for a little while to get some peace and quiet (he babbles a lot). After getting in the car, I cried all the way home. I felt as though my son had been "banished to the back room". I made an appointment with the ANL daycare center the next day and later that week, brought my husband to see it. I found the providers to be extremely friendly, and all the infants were well cared for. I visited during the lunch hour, and three of the older (12 months +) infants were sitting at the little table eating lunch. They were babbling with one another and laughing. That is the environment that I want for my child. Cheerful and playful. I will make many surprise visits after he starts, and plan to spend some of my lunch hours with him as well. I am looking forward to being able to take my child to the park periodically at lunchtime. As for the sicknesses, our doctor says that a child typically has 8 to 9 illnesses before age 1. Noah has had every one of those. Just last night, I was up from 2 to 3 am with a sniffling little boy. As I see it, this will only help to build his immune system before kindergarten, so hopefully he won't miss too much school when that time comes. We each have our own opinions on raising our children, and that is what makes life interesting. I look forward to working with you all in the future. Argonne is 10 steps ahead of where my former employer was, and for that matter much of corporate America in the engineering spectrum, but we all know that there is always more room for improvement. Regards, Betsy Grom Elizabeth Grom, P.E. Engineering Project Manager Argonne National Laboratory PFS-FEC Building 214, Office A229 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439-4814 (630) 252-8274 -----Original Message----- From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:26 AM To: Grom, Elizabeth F. Subject: RE: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL Elizabeth, Welcome to Argonne! It was a delight to get your email message. I would like to suggest that you post it on wisttalk so others in WIST can come to know you and your experiences. To do that, you would just send your email to: wisttalk@anl.gov To sign up for wisttalk, if you have not already, just go to the Argonne home page, click on 'Public Interest', click on WIST, and you will reach the WIST home page. There you should click the WISTTALK button and you will find directions on how to subscribe. Best wishes with your new job! I look forward to meeting and working with you. Maryka Bhattacharyya Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Grom, Elizabeth F. Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:17 AM To: Bhattacharyya, M. H. Subject: RE: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL Dear Maryka, I would be interested in participating in the dialog on work/family balance issues. I joined Argonne about 4 weeks ago, after spending nearly 7 years in corporate America as a structural engineer with Harza Engineering (hydropower firm in downtown Chicago). I gave birth to my first son, Noah, on July 4th, and have been struggling to strike the right balance between career and family ever since. Argonne was a dream come true for me. My previous job required me to travel often, not too mention I left the house at 7 am and did not return most evenings until 7 pm, which meant that I saw my son for about an hour or two a day. He is currently in a home daycare, although just last week I signed a contract with the Argonne daycare. I've felt that my home daycare lady is overwhelmed right now (she cares for 3 infants, all teething), and I fell in love with the Argonne daycare and the staff that I met. I am surprised to see all the negative e-mails about the center, but I guess that it just goes to show that everyone has their own opinion. I hope the Argonne center works out for me and my family. I attended the WIST meeting last Friday, and enjoyed hearing of what is going on with women at the Lab. This is something that my previous company never offered -- in fact, I believe that I was one of the highest ranking women in the Chicago office (400 people), which is not saying much, as I am just 29 years old. I once requested that the company sponsor a membership in SWE, and was shot down. All of my supervisors were male, and all had stay-at-home wives. Industry has a long ways to go. My dad (engineer over in CMT -- Art Frigo) has been forwarding many of the WIST e-mails to me for the last 2 years. WIST was one of the many reasons that I chose to give up my high-profile job. I used to enjoy telling people that I design large dams, but when Noah was born, my priorities shifted in a big hurry. Despite some of the negativity that I was hearing at the WIST meeting, I believe that Argonne has made huge strides in opening the doors to women. Thank you for being one of the champions of that effort. I look forward to working with you more in the future. Regards, Betsy Grom Elizabeth Grom, P.E. Engineering Project Manager Argonne National Laboratory PFS-FEC Building 214, Office A229 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439-4814 (630) 252-8274 -----Original Message----- From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:20 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Follow-up on Work/family balance at ANL Dear wisttalkers, Thanks to each of you who has begun a dialogue on work/family balance issues among Argonne staff members. These issues have been shown to be important to the career development of professional women, especially early in their careers. I think that support during the early parenting period through networking, or other means, can enable one to find workable solutions, even when the challenges become overwhelming, as they will. Would a group of you who are interested in this topic like to form a parenting listserv on which parents on staff at Argonne share experiences and solutions? Participants could also sponsor meetings, speakers, whatever you as a group come up with. This listserv could start with interested wisttalkers, but could expand to both male and female parents. Please let me know if you would like to participate in a parenting -- work/family balance listserv, and I will try to set one up if it looks like it will fill a need. I for one would like to be a part of it, to see if there is anything WIST could do that comes out of your interaction. All the best, Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne Senior Biochemist Biosciences Division Argonne National Laboratory phone: 630-252-3923 fax: 630-252-5517 email: mhbhatt@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Stepuszek, Peggy A. Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:50 AM To: 'wisttalk@anl.gov' Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL I agree with Mary Ann when she said it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation. My children are 8 and 10 now. When they were babies, my neighbor watch them. She was a stay at home Mom with children my children's ages. It was a wonderful situation. Her oldest and my oldest are 6 months apart and they like brothers. When they were old enough we sent them to preschool. My husband and I had considered the Argonne Day Care. We did not choose them mainly because they were not flexible with the schedule. For example, when we would be on Christmas break you would still be charged for the week that they did not attend. Plus, fortunately, my husband schedule is very flexible and he was able to alter it to minimize the amount of time they spent in day care. Which in turn, lowered the cost. Therefore, it made sense to choose a facility closer to his place of employment. Best wishes on your quest, Peggy Stepuszek -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ann Widing [mailto:widing@dis.anl.gov] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:13 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Work/family balance at ANL My experience at Argonne has been excellent. I have worked in DIS as a systems engineer for 15 years and everyone has always been very supportive. After the birth of my first child I was allowed to work at home for a few months so I could breastfeed and train a part time nanny. My group let me switch to part time and is very flexible and understanding about travel. In my experience, having a nanny in your own home works well for infants and if you have more than one small child. My oldest child starts 1st grade in the fall and my second will be old enough for preschool, so we are going to switch to having him in a daycare/preschool during the day. In the summer, we will use a sitter for both of them in our home, so they have more time to interact with each other. We did not use the Argonne center for several reasons. We prefer a nanny for infants because of the amount of control it gives you. We were also concerned with the virus issue. Now that my son is older, we will be using a center close to home so that we can use the same facilities to pick him up from kindergarten. Arranging child care is one of the most stressful issues a working mother has to deal with. I think it is important to find a solution that works for you and your family's unique situation and to review it periodically to make sure it still fits your needs. Mary Ann Widing From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 10:11:13 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA15928 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15922 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:10 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27389 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27386 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Another round from Debra Rolison Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C308E1.68166DB0" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C308E1.68166DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear wisttalkers, Below please find links to an article by Debra Rolison, who gave a seminar at Argonne awhile ago. Debra raises the argument that Title IX should apply to all Federally-funding institutions, including Universities and National Laboratories, not just to school sports. That is, Federal funds can be withheld from those institutions if there is little movement toward equity for women and minorities at all levels of responsibility. She is slowly beginning to get some Congressional support for that point of view. Enjoy! As I have said before, Debra is worthwhile reading. She has a message and has the intelligence to present a sound argument. Maryka Bhattacharyya >From Debra Rolison, forwarded by M Bhattacharyya (original message was too large for wisttalk) Greetings, everyone. As further fallout from my presentation to the APS meeting in Austin in March, I was asked to write the "Back Page" feature of the May issue of APS News. The issue has just released on the APS website: http://www.aps.org/apsnews/ The article is directly accessible at: http://www.aps.org/apsnews/current/050312.html When I submitted the piece, the APS News Editor, Alan Chodos, commented that I certainly don't pull any punches. Amen! best, Debra ------_=_NextPart_001_01C308E1.68166DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Dear wisttalkers,
Below please find links to an article by Debra Rolison, who gave a seminar at Argonne awhile ago. 
 
Debra raises the argument that Title IX should apply to all Federally-funding institutions, including Universities and National Laboratories, not just to school sports.  That is, Federal funds can be withheld from those institutions if there is little movement toward equity for women and minorities at all levels of responsibility.  She is slowly beginning to get some Congressional support for that point of view.
 
Enjoy!  As I have said before, Debra is worthwhile reading.  She has a message and has the intelligence to present a sound argument.
Maryka Bhattacharyya
 
From Debra Rolison, forwarded by M Bhattacharyya (original message was too large for wisttalk)
 
Greetings, everyone.
 
As further fallout from my presentation to the APS meeting in Austin in
March, I was asked to write the "Back Page" feature of the May issue of APS
News.
 
The issue has just released on the APS website:  http://www.aps.org/apsnews/
 
The article is directly accessible
at:  http://www.aps.org/apsnews/current/050312.html
 
When I submitted the piece, the APS News Editor, Alan Chodos, commented
that I certainly don't pull any punches.
 
Amen!
 
best,
 
Debra
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C308E1.68166DB0-- From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 14:40:53 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA06171 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:40:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06165 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:40:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21797 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:40:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zeta.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@zetaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.146.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21754 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:40:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by zeta.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3MJek824807 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:40:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lilith.nec.aps.anl.gov(164.54.212.3) by zeta.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAL8aqBW; Tue, 22 Apr 03 14:40:44 -0500 Received: from belial.anl.gov (belial.nec.aps.anl.gov [164.54.212.9]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3MJ0BPf021031 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:00:11 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030422143005.015b91c8@lilith.nec.aps.anl.gov> X-Sender: csalbego@lilith.nec.aps.anl.gov (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:40:46 -0500 To: wisttalk@anl.gov From: Cyndi Salbego Subject: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk I was asked by a friend to post my experiences with the daycare as well. I had kept it mostly to private email so far. *********** While there are some definite benefits to the daycare center (i.e., a more school like setting, a structured environment) they weren't enough when I had to deal with the bad things. I was the 'other' person that Julie Alderman talked about in her email. Some of the stuff we experienced she didn't even mention. Some of which I will elaborate on for you. I was also told that 'center care is not for everyone'. I agree that kids need to get sick.. it does help them build immunity. But kids should not get so sick that they suffer long term. My son contracted RSV from the center at the age of 6 mths, and now has lung damage that they are hoping he will outgrow by age 3 (he will be two next month). If his lungs do not repair, he will be classified as asthmatic. He's been on a nebulizer since around that time. Any time he gets even a runny nose, it turns into pneumonia or bronchitis because his lungs just can't handle it. He also is very prone to ear infections and would get them about every 2-3 weeks there, and that's after suffering with them for about 2-3 weeks at a time. Also, once he became mobile (crawling/walking/etc) he was not watched as constantly. There were *4* adults in the room one time, and only 8 children and no one stopped my son from banging stuff on the little table that they eat on.. and then he threw his whole head into the mix and now has a broken front tooth. There's signs of possible damage to his permanent teeth, which we won't find out for sure till those come out. None of which will be covered by insurance, of course. We had some problems with my son's primary (who is no longer there) when she became pregnant. She would take out her aggravation and her tiredness on the kids. We had her yelling at kids because they weren't eating right off the spoon she was using with them, yelling at kids for being kids (babbling, crying, etc). She did this in front of us, so we wondered what took place when we weren't there? I also had a problem when my son was found to be lactose intolerant. He was moving on to real table food, and he would gag and puke for no apparent reason. I talked for a long time with the director and the teacher about what we were working out with the doc to find what was causing this problem. Now, any parent knows that seeing your child gag and puke when they want to eat is just heartbreaking.. and I didn't know what else to do for him. I received a call at work, saying that she 'could not have a kid like him in her room'. I cried and never wanted to bring him back! Once he was put on soy formula, all of this stopped but that thought that his poor 'problem' was too much for her to deal with left a horrible feeling in my heart. There were also MANY instances of "favoritism" there... certain infants were allowed to come in with green snot and horrendous coughs because "it was normal for them" and of course the rest of our kids would catch it. But when our kids were a little crabby for a day, we were asked to see if they had ear infections or have them taken to the doc. One parent was forced to bring her daughter to the pediatrician because of prickly heat! Yet, favored children were allowed to stay with unidentified rashes. And of course there was the whole problem with Daycare staff's children being in the program. When a new staff member came on in the infant program, rooms were changed around, but for some reason the Asst. Dir's son did not have to be moved with his original primary care giver and was added to the list of the primary that went to his room (he was in the smaller room with less children, hence less sickness). But that meant that she was over quota. So they would just pick kids from that room, and send them to infant A, without letting the parents know that they were in a different room NOT with their primary caregiver. Coincidentally, it was never the Asst Director's child who was put in the other room. When I asked the director about this, I was told that you can be put on a list to change rooms. So I asked why I wasn't given that option when I came to her with all my son's health problems from the center. I was told there was no room at the time. Oh, well then where did this list come from? Round about we went.. and everyone knew what was going on. There was also the time when I came to pick up my son, and they 'forgot' to feed him. Do you know the feeling when you tiny baby hasn't eaten in about 6 hours?! and you have to sit there and take more time out of your day to stay there and feed him when you should be off on your way home to spend some great quality time with them? I cried hysterically when I left, thinking that he didn't eat because he's not one of those kids who 'asks' to be fed. I went in there the next morning and told them that I will NEVER leave their crying again... of course, I wish that was the case... I had many positive experiences with Nasreen and Sharon. It does work for some people.. but honestly when the workers there tell you that they wouldn't put their OWN kids in there till maybe the 2's program, you REALLY have to wonder! Cyndi Salbego (csalbego@anl.gov) Administrator, NE-CAT/Cornell University Argonne National Laboratory Phone: 630.252.0689 Fax: 630.252.0687 From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 15:17:25 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA08604 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:17:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08598 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:17:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02149 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from depexch.dep.anl.gov (depexch.dep.anl.gov [146.139.100.101]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02142; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: by depexch.dep.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:05:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Myron, Harold W." To: "'Cyndi Salbego'" , wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:05:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk I have been quietly reading all/most of the notes regarding ANL Daycare and am actually shocked by all of this. I was under the impression that it was a top-rate service, obviously not so. Are the problems still apparent? Who writes the contract with the provider? Should someone contact ANL's COO? This should be fixed immediately. Harold Myron -----Original Message----- From: Cyndi Salbego [mailto:csalbego@anl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:41 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare I was asked by a friend to post my experiences with the daycare as well. I had kept it mostly to private email so far. *********** While there are some definite benefits to the daycare center (i.e., a more school like setting, a structured environment) they weren't enough when I had to deal with the bad things. I was the 'other' person that Julie Alderman talked about in her email. Some of the stuff we experienced she didn't even mention. Some of which I will elaborate on for you. I was also told that 'center care is not for everyone'. I agree that kids need to get sick.. it does help them build immunity. But kids should not get so sick that they suffer long term. My son contracted RSV from the center at the age of 6 mths, and now has lung damage that they are hoping he will outgrow by age 3 (he will be two next month). If his lungs do not repair, he will be classified as asthmatic. He's been on a nebulizer since around that time. Any time he gets even a runny nose, it turns into pneumonia or bronchitis because his lungs just can't handle it. He also is very prone to ear infections and would get them about every 2-3 weeks there, and that's after suffering with them for about 2-3 weeks at a time. Also, once he became mobile (crawling/walking/etc) he was not watched as constantly. There were *4* adults in the room one time, and only 8 children and no one stopped my son from banging stuff on the little table that they eat on.. and then he threw his whole head into the mix and now has a broken front tooth. There's signs of possible damage to his permanent teeth, which we won't find out for sure till those come out. None of which will be covered by insurance, of course. We had some problems with my son's primary (who is no longer there) when she became pregnant. She would take out her aggravation and her tiredness on the kids. We had her yelling at kids because they weren't eating right off the spoon she was using with them, yelling at kids for being kids (babbling, crying, etc). She did this in front of us, so we wondered what took place when we weren't there? I also had a problem when my son was found to be lactose intolerant. He was moving on to real table food, and he would gag and puke for no apparent reason. I talked for a long time with the director and the teacher about what we were working out with the doc to find what was causing this problem. Now, any parent knows that seeing your child gag and puke when they want to eat is just heartbreaking.. and I didn't know what else to do for him. I received a call at work, saying that she 'could not have a kid like him in her room'. I cried and never wanted to bring him back! Once he was put on soy formula, all of this stopped but that thought that his poor 'problem' was too much for her to deal with left a horrible feeling in my heart. There were also MANY instances of "favoritism" there... certain infants were allowed to come in with green snot and horrendous coughs because "it was normal for them" and of course the rest of our kids would catch it. But when our kids were a little crabby for a day, we were asked to see if they had ear infections or have them taken to the doc. One parent was forced to bring her daughter to the pediatrician because of prickly heat! Yet, favored children were allowed to stay with unidentified rashes. And of course there was the whole problem with Daycare staff's children being in the program. When a new staff member came on in the infant program, rooms were changed around, but for some reason the Asst. Dir's son did not have to be moved with his original primary care giver and was added to the list of the primary that went to his room (he was in the smaller room with less children, hence less sickness). But that meant that she was over quota. So they would just pick kids from that room, and send them to infant A, without letting the parents know that they were in a different room NOT with their primary caregiver. Coincidentally, it was never the Asst Director's child who was put in the other room. When I asked the director about this, I was told that you can be put on a list to change rooms. So I asked why I wasn't given that option when I came to her with all my son's health problems from the center. I was told there was no room at the time. Oh, well then where did this list come from? Round about we went.. and everyone knew what was going on. There was also the time when I came to pick up my son, and they 'forgot' to feed him. Do you know the feeling when you tiny baby hasn't eaten in about 6 hours?! and you have to sit there and take more time out of your day to stay there and feed him when you should be off on your way home to spend some great quality time with them? I cried hysterically when I left, thinking that he didn't eat because he's not one of those kids who 'asks' to be fed. I went in there the next morning and told them that I will NEVER leave their crying again... of course, I wish that was the case... I had many positive experiences with Nasreen and Sharon. It does work for some people.. but honestly when the workers there tell you that they wouldn't put their OWN kids in there till maybe the 2's program, you REALLY have to wonder! Cyndi Salbego (csalbego@anl.gov) Administrator, NE-CAT/Cornell University Argonne National Laboratory Phone: 630.252.0689 Fax: 630.252.0687 From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 16:09:53 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA11915 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:09:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11900 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:09:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18296 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:09:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@iotaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.56.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18291; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:09:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3ML9nf23076; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:09:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aps.anl.gov(164.54.8.141) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAARLaicT; Tue, 22 Apr 03 16:09:48 -0500 Received: from aps.anl.gov (visa35.aps.anl.gov [164.54.61.65]) by epics.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3ML9jQ10729; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EA5AFA1.6090907@aps.anl.gov> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:09:53 -0400 From: "Marion M. White" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Myron, Harold W." CC: "'Cyndi Salbego'" , wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold - I also have been reading the stories, and came to the same conclusion. How is their performance evaluated, how often, by whom, and in what form are the results made public to ANL? We are scientists and we can come up with meaningful and quantitative ways to assess the success or failure of the facility, particularly in terms of safety, biological cleanliness, and health-related procedures, as we would with any other facility at the Lab or any vendor. Surely these must exist already so perhaps it's just the feedback loop that's defective. Marion White Myron, Harold W. wrote: >I have been quietly reading all/most of the notes regarding ANL Daycare and >am actually shocked by all of this. I was under the impression that it was a >top-rate service, obviously not so. >Are the problems still apparent? >Who writes the contract with the provider? >Should someone contact ANL's COO? >This should be fixed immediately. > >Harold Myron > > From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 16:30:44 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA13134 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13128 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24112 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zeta.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@zetaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.146.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24109 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by zeta.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3MLUgf04333 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from metis.imca.aps.anl.gov(164.54.200.194) by zeta.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAQBaaCi; Tue, 22 Apr 03 16:30:40 -0500 Received: from [164.54.200.110] (hespora.imca.aps.anl.gov [164.54.200.110]) by metis.imca.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h3MMC2d23733 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:12:02 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:30:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare From: "Lisa J. Keefe" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All.... Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) in the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the center had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to work....full-time, part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center was on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, and happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff have quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to frustration with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've been very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had great teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of the Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current director on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and Argonne. Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the regional manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with parents. But the problem with the current director is still present. This center used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. to manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the circles of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. Thus, applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long commutes because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no longer true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the current director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they are frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not with Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers are outstanding. The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But we, his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and quality supplies. Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this problem. Please contact me. -Lisa *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov Director Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 16:36:19 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA13572 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13566 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:17 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25918 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25912; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: keefe@anl.gov, wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who at Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing to get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka -----Original Message----- From: Keefe, Lisa Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare All.... Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) in the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the center had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to work....full-time, part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center was on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, and happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff have quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to frustration with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've been very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had great teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of the Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current director on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and Argonne. Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the regional manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with parents. But the problem with the current director is still present. This center used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. to manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the circles of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. Thus, applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long commutes because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no longer true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the current director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they are frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not with Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers are outstanding. The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But we, his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and quality supplies. Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this problem. Please contact me. -Lisa *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov Director Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 16:38:35 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA13821 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13815 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26691 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from delco2.ep.anl.gov (delco2.ep.anl.gov [146.139.80.26]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26680; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [146.139.184.42] (HELO KIRSTEN315) by delco2.ep.anl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.1) with ESMTP id 13711380; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:38:31 -0500 From: "Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz" To: "'Myron, Harold W.'" , "'Cyndi Salbego'" , Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:37:14 -0500 Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Message-ID: <009901c30917$57763bd0$2ab88b92@td.anl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Colleagues, I, too, have been reading the emails with increasing unease. I sent my children to ACDC (Argonne Child Development Center) between 1995 and 2000 and to the camp for an additional year. I was also a Director in the Parent Association for three of those years. When we started, the Center was EXCELLENT! We had amazing Caregivers and the Director, although a bit arrogant, was committed to excellence. She and the assistant director had a knack for selecting highly qualified candidates. When the assistant became the director, the quality continued to be high and the teachers rated ACDC as an excellent place to work (out of 200 centers nation-wide, ACDC got one of the top scores from employees). My son was three when he started. Prior to then, he was at the home of a friend and we split the cost of a nanny. However, when my daughter was born, she would have been the fourth child under the care of our nanny and I had started to work at Argonne. So we enrolled both kids in ACDC. The Center reached full capacity and people were on waiting lists to get in. We had an extremely positive experience at ACDC especially in the first years we were enrolled. My daughter, Kyle, was at the Center from infancy and she was rarely sick. My son, Eliot, although a handful, had a particularly good teacher who went on to teach kindergarten at Meritor Academy (so we enrolled him there after ACDC). The first two directors I knew listened to parents, but held firm to their own standards. Sometimes we didn't agree, but there was always dialog. Like Liz, I felt I learned a lot from the teachers. Over the years the company managing the Center has merged with other companies. First it was Corporate Childcare and then Corporate Family Solutions. The most recent merger with Bright Horizons to make Bright Horizons Family Solutions, happened while we were still in the Center. I would say the decline of the Center happened shortly after the merger and the appointment of the current director. One distinction I need to make it that the positive experience for my children did not always correspond to a positive experience interacting with ANL and ACDC management. It has been extremely difficult over the years for parents to have a voice in the management of the Center. Originally (and this is probably still the case) the contract was managed by PFS under the COO. Rudi Bouie was personally committed to the Center and took great pride in having a high quality center; however, he didn't always listen to the parents. He would send us back to the ACDC Director. ACDC considered Argonne as their primary client and parents as secondary clients. So if we couldn't get an answer from the Director we were pretty stuck. This was frustrating. There is supposed to be a lab contact for parents as well, but they were simply caught in the middle. To answer the emails of Harold and Marion, results of assessments of the performance on the contract have not been shared with parents as we are not party to the contract. Indeed the terms of the contract between ANL and Bright Horizons are withheld from parents. Once upon a time, some parents were able to get the original contract. From time to time we tried to call attention to breaches based on knowledge of that original contract assuming the subsequent contracts were similar. In addition, ACDC used to circulate an annual evaluation to parents and ANL management is given the results. There was an annual meeting to review the survey results and create action plans to address concerns but follow up was minimal. Also, the surveys asked primarily about in classroom experiences which were by and large positive. Our concerns that there wasn't a good mechanism to address parent concerns were not taken that seriously. We tried to establish regular meetings with the COO and were discouraged. The fact the Center was high quality was the result of personal commitments to excellence by individuals that took their job very seriously. I'm not sure that is still true. When Dean Eastman was Laboratory Director, I had the opportunity to introduce myself as a parent with children at the Center and asked him directly to support efforts to maintain a high quality facility (the contract was under renegotiation at the time). His response was frightening - I don't remember the exact words but he agreed that Argonne should have a daycare that was "adequate." Adequate is not acceptable, but that seems to be the prevailing attitude these days. Although I'm not fully up to date, the enrollment in the Center had dropped considerably over the recent past as well. As I don't have children there now, but I do have extensive experience with the history of the Center, I would be willing to work with a group to assess the current status of the Center and make recommendations for improvements. My only interest would be to restore the quality so that Argonne parents have a viable option. Kirsten Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz, PhD Argonne National Laboratory Nuclear Engineering Division 9700 S. Cass Avenue, Bldg. 315 Argonne, IL 60439-4814 Voice: 630-252-4143 FAX: 630-252-7308 kirsten@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Myron, Harold W. Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:05 PM To: 'Cyndi Salbego'; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare I have been quietly reading all/most of the notes regarding ANL Daycare and am actually shocked by all of this. I was under the impression that it was a top-rate service, obviously not so. Are the problems still apparent? Who writes the contract with the provider? Should someone contact ANL's COO? This should be fixed immediately. Harold Myron -----Original Message----- From: Cyndi Salbego [mailto:csalbego@anl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:41 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare I was asked by a friend to post my experiences with the daycare as well. I had kept it mostly to private email so far. *********** While there are some definite benefits to the daycare center (i.e., a more school like setting, a structured environment) they weren't enough when I had to deal with the bad things. I was the 'other' person that Julie Alderman talked about in her email. Some of the stuff we experienced she didn't even mention. Some of which I will elaborate on for you. I was also told that 'center care is not for everyone'. I agree that kids need to get sick.. it does help them build immunity. But kids should not get so sick that they suffer long term. My son contracted RSV from the center at the age of 6 mths, and now has lung damage that they are hoping he will outgrow by age 3 (he will be two next month). If his lungs do not repair, he will be classified as asthmatic. He's been on a nebulizer since around that time. Any time he gets even a runny nose, it turns into pneumonia or bronchitis because his lungs just can't handle it. He also is very prone to ear infections and would get them about every 2-3 weeks there, and that's after suffering with them for about 2-3 weeks at a time. Also, once he became mobile (crawling/walking/etc) he was not watched as constantly. There were *4* adults in the room one time, and only 8 children and no one stopped my son from banging stuff on the little table that they eat on.. and then he threw his whole head into the mix and now has a broken front tooth. There's signs of possible damage to his permanent teeth, which we won't find out for sure till those come out. None of which will be covered by insurance, of course. We had some problems with my son's primary (who is no longer there) when she became pregnant. She would take out her aggravation and her tiredness on the kids. We had her yelling at kids because they weren't eating right off the spoon she was using with them, yelling at kids for being kids (babbling, crying, etc). She did this in front of us, so we wondered what took place when we weren't there? I also had a problem when my son was found to be lactose intolerant. He was moving on to real table food, and he would gag and puke for no apparent reason. I talked for a long time with the director and the teacher about what we were working out with the doc to find what was causing this problem. Now, any parent knows that seeing your child gag and puke when they want to eat is just heartbreaking.. and I didn't know what else to do for him. I received a call at work, saying that she 'could not have a kid like him in her room'. I cried and never wanted to bring him back! Once he was put on soy formula, all of this stopped but that thought that his poor 'problem' was too much for her to deal with left a horrible feeling in my heart. There were also MANY instances of "favoritism" there... certain infants were allowed to come in with green snot and horrendous coughs because "it was normal for them" and of course the rest of our kids would catch it. But when our kids were a little crabby for a day, we were asked to see if they had ear infections or have them taken to the doc. One parent was forced to bring her daughter to the pediatrician because of prickly heat! Yet, favored children were allowed to stay with unidentified rashes. And of course there was the whole problem with Daycare staff's children being in the program. When a new staff member came on in the infant program, rooms were changed around, but for some reason the Asst. Dir's son did not have to be moved with his original primary care giver and was added to the list of the primary that went to his room (he was in the smaller room with less children, hence less sickness). But that meant that she was over quota. So they would just pick kids from that room, and send them to infant A, without letting the parents know that they were in a different room NOT with their primary caregiver. Coincidentally, it was never the Asst Director's child who was put in the other room. When I asked the director about this, I was told that you can be put on a list to change rooms. So I asked why I wasn't given that option when I came to her with all my son's health problems from the center. I was told there was no room at the time. Oh, well then where did this list come from? Round about we went.. and everyone knew what was going on. There was also the time when I came to pick up my son, and they 'forgot' to feed him. Do you know the feeling when you tiny baby hasn't eaten in about 6 hours?! and you have to sit there and take more time out of your day to stay there and feed him when you should be off on your way home to spend some great quality time with them? I cried hysterically when I left, thinking that he didn't eat because he's not one of those kids who 'asks' to be fed. I went in there the next morning and told them that I will NEVER leave their crying again... of course, I wish that was the case... I had many positive experiences with Nasreen and Sharon. It does work for some people.. but honestly when the workers there tell you that they wouldn't put their OWN kids in there till maybe the 2's program, you REALLY have to wonder! Cyndi Salbego (csalbego@anl.gov) Administrator, NE-CAT/Cornell University Argonne National Laboratory Phone: 630.252.0689 Fax: 630.252.0687 From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 17:06:43 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA15885 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:06:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15879 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:06:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA04698 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:06:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hrexchange.hrweb (hrexchange.hr.anl.gov [146.137.12.2]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA04686; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: by hrexchange.hr.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:04:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1DA93FBFDFECD111AF4400104B943DDCEB9CE1@hrexchange.hr.anl.gov> From: "Quinn, Carol" To: "Bhattacharyya, M. H." , "Keefe, Lisa " , wisttalk@anl.gov Cc: "Derbidge, Michael H." , "Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J." Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:04:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Maryka, Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to explore the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who at Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing to get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka -----Original Message----- From: Keefe, Lisa Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare All.... Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) in the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the center had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to work....full-time, part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center was on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, and happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff have quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to frustration with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've been very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had great teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of the Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current director on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and Argonne. Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the regional manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with parents. But the problem with the current director is still present. This center used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. to manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the circles of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. Thus, applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long commutes because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no longer true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the current director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they are frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not with Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers are outstanding. The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But we, his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and quality supplies. Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this problem. Please contact me. -Lisa *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov Director Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 17:11:53 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA16117 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:11:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16111 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:11:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06123 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:11:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06120 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:11:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80425F12AB; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (cliff.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.17]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D305F12AB for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fire.mcs.anl.gov (fire.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.181]) by mcs.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h3MMBn5200122; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:11:49 -0500 Received: from mcs.anl.gov (dstevens@localhost) by fire.mcs.anl.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03806; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:12:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200304222212.RAA03806@fire.mcs.anl.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: fire.mcs.anl.gov: dstevens owned process doing -bs To: "Myron, Harold W." , wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:05:01 CDT." Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:12:27 -0500 From: Deborah Stevens X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-104.8 required=5.7 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk The ANL Daycare is under contract in the same way that Marriot has a contract for the cafeteria. It's renewed every 5 years. I also had my child at the center under the previous director and it *was* a wonderful place then. After the new director took over it went downhill gradually, but continued to grow worse, not better. I also was a parent director and worked very hard for positive change. When my petite daughter (then age 3) was being teased and picked on by larger children in the class and the teachers did nothing and interactions with the director went nowhere, we moved her. I was also disturbed that the preschool children were punished by being excluded from the few group activities...most of the day was undirected free play. I would love to see the center taken over as a branch of the University of Chicago Lab Schools. --Deb Stevens From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 17:25:42 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA16985 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:25:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16979 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:25:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09242 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:25:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from anchim.chm.anl.gov (anchim.chm.anl.gov [146.137.86.75]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09228 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:25:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: by anchim.chm.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TBJCT7L>; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:15:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Sandi-Tapia, Giselle" To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:15:29 -0500 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C3091C.AEB86440" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C3091C.AEB86440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, since everybody is "talking", I will spend few minutes of my time = to tell you about my experience. When I had my oldest son (now almost = three years old) I was so enthusiastic to send him to the ACDC. I heard = nothing but good comments. The three months that he spent there, he caught everything, to the point of taking him to the ER with a lung virus. I = was just about to quit my job when a relative came to help us. Few times my = sons had scratches on his face because when they combined all the kids at = the end of the day, that was a zoo and the older kids were not properly = supervised. He has been always a picky eater and the teacher never made an effort = to offer him the bottle often. One day he only took two oz. of formula in = 8 hours. My heart was broken and I would not know what to do if my = relative leaves and I have to send my two sons there.=20 Regards to all, Giselle=20 Dr. Giselle Sand=ED Research Chemist Chemistry Division Argonne National Laboratory Argonne, IL 60439 (630) 252-1903 (630) 252-9288 Fax gsandi@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Stevens, Deborah S.=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:12 PM To: Myron, Harold W.; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare=20 The ANL Daycare is under contract in the same way that Marriot has a contract for the cafeteria. It's renewed every 5 years.=20 I also had my child at the center under the previous director and it *was* a wonderful place then. After the new director took over it went downhill gradually, but continued to grow worse, not better. I also was = a parent director and worked very hard for positive change. When my = petite daughter (then age 3) was being teased and picked on by larger children = in the class and the teachers did nothing and interactions with the = director went nowhere, we moved her. I was also disturbed that the preschool = children were punished by being excluded from the few group activities...most of = the day was undirected free play.=20 I would love to see the center taken over as a branch of the University = of Chicago Lab Schools.=20 --Deb Stevens ------_=_NextPart_000_01C3091C.AEB86440 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Giselle Sandi.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Giselle Sandi.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Sandi;Giselle FN:Giselle Sandi NICKNAME:giselle ORG:Argonne National Laboratory TITLE:Research Chemist TEL;WORK;VOICE:+1 (630) 252-1903 TEL;WORK;FAX:+1 (630) 252-9288 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;9700 South Cass Ave.=0D=0ACHM 200;Argonne;IL;60439;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:9700 South Cass Ave.=0D=0ACHM 200=0D=0AArgonne, IL 60439=0D=0AUSA EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:gsandi@anl.gov REV:20011210T220604Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01C3091C.AEB86440-- From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 17:26:35 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA17049 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17043 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:33 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09573 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09564; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:31 -0500 Message-ID: To: cquinn@anl.gov, keefe@anl.gov, wisttalk@anl.gov Cc: mderbidge@anl.gov, gjmorrison@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to what turns out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. Maryka -----Original Message----- From: Quinn, Carol Ann Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Maryka, Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to explore the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who at Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing to get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka -----Original Message----- From: Keefe, Lisa Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare All.... Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) in the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the center had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to work....full-time, part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center was on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, and happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff have quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to frustration with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've been very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had great teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of the Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current director on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and Argonne. Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the regional manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with parents. But the problem with the current director is still present. This center used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. to manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the circles of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. Thus, applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long commutes because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no longer true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the current director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they are frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not with Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers are outstanding. The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But we, his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and quality supplies. Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this problem. Please contact me. -Lisa *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov Director Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 17:41:28 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA17869 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:41:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17863 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:41:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12429 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:41:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@iotaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.56.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12426; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:41:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3MMfPC09156; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:41:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aps.anl.gov(164.54.8.141) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAKtaW2r; Tue, 22 Apr 03 17:41:23 -0500 Received: from aps.anl.gov (bucky.aps.anl.gov [164.54.85.101]) by epics.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3MMfNQ14847; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:41:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EA5C6AA.27A2094F@aps.anl.gov> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:48:54 -0500 From: Trudy Bolin Reply-To: bolitru@aps.anl.gov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mhbhatt@anl.gov CC: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maryka, your question is very relevant. Kirsten has just mentioned her past interactions with ANL's upper management regarding the daycare center. But her interactions were with Dr. Eastman. Has anyone talked to Dr. Grunder? Has everyone that has concerns filled out the survey that appeared late last year? Have you had any feedback about your input? mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who at > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing to > get involved, and it sounds like others are too. > Maryka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keefe, Lisa > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > All.... > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) in > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the center > had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to work....full-time, > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center was > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, and > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff have > quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to frustration > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've been > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had great > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of the > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current director > on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of > enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and Argonne. > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the regional > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with parents. > But the problem with the current director is still present. This center > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. to > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the circles > of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. Thus, > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long commutes > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no longer > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the current > director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they are > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not with > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers are > outstanding. > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But we, > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and quality > supplies. > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this > problem. Please contact me. > > -Lisa > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov > > Director > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 > Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 > Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 > 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net > Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 17:53:39 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA18564 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18558 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14687 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from delco2.ep.anl.gov (delco2.ep.anl.gov [146.139.80.26]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14681; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [146.139.184.42] (HELO KIRSTEN315) by delco2.ep.anl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.1) with ESMTP id 13711542; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:36 -0500 From: "Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:52:19 -0500 Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Message-ID: <00a501c30921$d49410b0$2ab88b92@td.anl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3EA5C6AA.27A2094F@aps.anl.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to clarify - I had an encounter with Dr. Eastman, but more extensive interaction with Rudie Bouie. At the time I felt Rudie was less responsive than he could have been, but I also know he was committed to a quality facility. Couple of other things I feel the need to point out. I'm feeling like half of the daycare population is not well represented in this discussion. Can anyone think of a way to involve comments from fathers? During our time at the Center many of the fathers were the Argonne employees not the mothers. Also, even if the channels don't always work, there are some established communication and conflict resolution channels. The Center has a Parent Association with parent directors. Can someone forward this discussion to them so they are aware? Thanks! Kirsten Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz, PhD Argonne National Laboratory Nuclear Engineering Division 9700 S. Cass Avenue, Bldg. 315 Argonne, IL 60439-4814 Voice: 630-252-4143 FAX: 630-252-7308 kirsten@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Trudy Bolin Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:49 PM To: mhbhatt@anl.gov Cc: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Maryka, your question is very relevant. Kirsten has just mentioned her past interactions with ANL's upper management regarding the daycare center. But her interactions were with Dr. Eastman. Has anyone talked to Dr. Grunder? Has everyone that has concerns filled out the survey that appeared late last year? Have you had any feedback about your input? mhbhatt@anl.gov wrote: > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who at > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing to > get involved, and it sounds like others are too. > Maryka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keefe, Lisa > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > All.... > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) in > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the center > had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to work....full-time, > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center was > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, and > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff have > quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to frustration > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've been > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had great > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of the > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current director > on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of > enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and Argonne. > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the regional > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with parents. > But the problem with the current director is still present. This center > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. to > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the circles > of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. Thus, > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long commutes > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no longer > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the current > director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they are > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not with > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers are > outstanding. > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But we, > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and quality > supplies. > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this > problem. Please contact me. > > -Lisa > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov > > Director > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 > Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 > Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 > 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net > Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 22 23:04:39 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA04556 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:04:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA04550 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:04:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21414 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:04:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from anchim.chm.anl.gov (anchim.chm.anl.gov [146.137.86.75]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21402; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:04:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by anchim.chm.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TBJC4HL>; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:54:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Thurnauer, Marion C." To: "Bhattacharyya, M. H." , "Quinn, Carol Ann" , "Keefe, Lisa" , "'wisttalk@anl.gov '" Cc: "Derbidge, Michael H." , "Morrison, Gwendolyn J." Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:54:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk I remember the early days of the child development center when several people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other places in the area. When these issues were raised, the reply from the Lab was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee. If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully the issue of fees will also be considered. Marion T. -----Original Message----- From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J. Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to what turns out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. Maryka -----Original Message----- From: Quinn, Carol Ann Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Maryka, Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to explore the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol -----Original Message----- From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who at Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing to get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka -----Original Message----- From: Keefe, Lisa Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare All.... Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) in the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the center had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to work....full-time, part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center was on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, and happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff have quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to frustration with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've been very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had great teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of the Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current director on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and Argonne. Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the regional manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with parents. But the problem with the current director is still present. This center used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. to manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the circles of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. Thus, applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long commutes because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no longer true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the current director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they are frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not with Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers are outstanding. The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But we, his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and quality supplies. Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this problem. Please contact me. -Lisa *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov Director Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 08:19:45 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA28101 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28095 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02852 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02849 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7EB5F0EEC; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (cliff.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.17]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE145F0CBB for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (castanet.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.39]) by mcs.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h3NDJe553378 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3EA692EB.1080502@mcs.anl.gov> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:19:39 -0500 From: Boyana Norris User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-131.9 required=5.7 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to provide a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our experience after comparing several centers in this area is that the ANL center's fees for full time attendance are about the same as at other centers or slightly lower. I believe that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between full and part time) would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid the ANL center, assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at the moment). One of the main reasons we never used the center for my son when he started day care in 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We didn't think that paying full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good solution for us, especially since most other centers are very accommodating in that respect. Also, to answer Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did fill it out quite carefully, but have received no feedback. Boyana Thurnauer, Marion C. wrote: > I remember the early days of the child development center when several > people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other > places in the area. When these issues were raised, the reply from the Lab > was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee. > If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully > the issue of fees will also be considered. > Marion T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. > To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to what > turns > out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. > Maryka > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quinn, Carol Ann > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM > To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Maryka, > Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to > Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to > explore > the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a > representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM > To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who > at > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing > to > get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keefe, Lisa > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > All.... > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) > in > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the > center > had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to > work....full-time, > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center > was > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, > and > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff > have > quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to > frustration > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've > been > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had > great > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of > the > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current > director > on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of > enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and > Argonne. > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the > regional > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with > parents. > But the problem with the current director is still present. This center > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. > to > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the > circles > of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. > Thus, > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long > commutes > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no > longer > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the > current > director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they > are > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not > with > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers > are > outstanding. > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But > we, > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and > quality > supplies. > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this > problem. Please contact me. > > -Lisa > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov > > Director > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 > Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 > Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 > 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net > Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 08:32:52 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA29099 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:32:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29093 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:32:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA05743 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ANLMAIL.anl.gov (anlmail1.anl.gov [146.137.222.30]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA05738 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:32:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3E51037BD9A8974789A8741A979534CA37CF47@ANLMAIL.anl.gov> Thread-Topic: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare thread-index: AcMJmwnGdt9or7McRgeoRQSy1ENXjgAAIKBw From: "Grom, Elizabeth F." To: "Norris, Boyana R." , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov id IAA29094 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To add to Boyana's discussion, since we just recently went through pricing, we found that the Kindercare in Downers Grove was charging about $275 per week for a full-time infant. The home daycares charged anywhere from $125 to $175 per week, however the people charging $125 are not licensed by the state and are therefore not reporting their income to the IRS (which means that you pay in cash and you cannot take the tax deduction). Our current provider charges $165 per week and is state licensed. DCFS makes surprise visits about once every 2 to 3 months, and then they also make scheduled visits a couple of times a year. Most of the home daycares have part-time options, but if your schedule only allows you to go down to a 4-day work week, you pay the full-time fee. I'm not sure how Kindercare handles this, as we never really looked at anything but full-time status. Note also, that the price for home daycare does not change with age...whereas the price of the larger daycare centers drops off dramatically as the children get older. Elizabeth Grom, P.E. Engineering Project Manager Argonne National Laboratory PFS-FEC Building 214, Office A229 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439-4814 (630) 252-8274 -----Original Message----- From: Norris, Boyana R. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:20 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare I'd like to provide a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our experience after comparing several centers in this area is that the ANL center's fees for full time attendance are about the same as at other centers or slightly lower. I believe that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between full and part time) would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid the ANL center, assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at the moment). One of the main reasons we never used the center for my son when he started day care in 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We didn't think that paying full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good solution for us, especially since most other centers are very accommodating in that respect. Also, to answer Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did fill it out quite carefully, but have received no feedback. Boyana Thurnauer, Marion C. wrote: > I remember the early days of the child development center when several > people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other > places in the area. When these issues were raised, the reply from the Lab > was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee. > If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully > the issue of fees will also be considered. > Marion T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. > To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to what > turns > out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. > Maryka > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quinn, Carol Ann > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM > To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Maryka, > Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to > Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to > explore > the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a > representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM > To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who > at > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing > to > get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keefe, Lisa > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > All.... > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) > in > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the > center > had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to > work....full-time, > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center > was > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, > and > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff > have > quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to > frustration > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've > been > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had > great > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of > the > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current > director > on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of > enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and > Argonne. > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the > regional > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with > parents. > But the problem with the current director is still present. This center > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. > to > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the > circles > of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. > Thus, > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long > commutes > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no > longer > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the > current > director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they > are > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not > with > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers > are > outstanding. > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But > we, > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and > quality > supplies. > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this > problem. Please contact me. > > -Lisa > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov > > Director > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 > Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 > Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 > 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net > Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 08:47:03 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA29980 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29965 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:47:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09157 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:47:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ANLMAIL.anl.gov (anlmail1.anl.gov [146.137.222.30]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09154 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:46:59 -0500 (CDT) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FW: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3E51037BD9A8974789A8741A979534CA376C96@ANLMAIL.anl.gov> Thread-Topic: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare thread-index: AcMJmwnGdt9or7McRgeoRQSy1ENXjgAAIKBwAADIlTA= From: "Grom, Elizabeth F." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov id IAA29968 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit p.s. For those that are not aware, the ANL daycare charges $211 per week for an infant enrolled full-time. Elizabeth Grom, P.E. Engineering Project Manager Argonne National Laboratory PFS-FEC Building 214, Office A229 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439-4814 (630) 252-8274 -----Original Message----- From: Grom, Elizabeth F. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:33 AM To: Norris, Boyana R.; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare To add to Boyana's discussion, since we just recently went through pricing, we found that the Kindercare in Downers Grove was charging about $275 per week for a full-time infant. The home daycares charged anywhere from $125 to $175 per week, however the people charging $125 are not licensed by the state and are therefore not reporting their income to the IRS (which means that you pay in cash and you cannot take the tax deduction). Our current provider charges $165 per week and is state licensed. DCFS makes surprise visits about once every 2 to 3 months, and then they also make scheduled visits a couple of times a year. Most of the home daycares have part-time options, but if your schedule only allows you to go down to a 4-day work week, you pay the full-time fee. I'm not sure how Kindercare handles this, as we never really looked at anything but full-time status. Note also, that the price for home daycare does not change with age...whereas the price of the larger daycare centers drops off dramatically as the children get older. Elizabeth Grom, P.E. Engineering Project Manager Argonne National Laboratory PFS-FEC Building 214, Office A229 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439-4814 (630) 252-8274 -----Original Message----- From: Norris, Boyana R. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:20 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare I'd like to provide a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our experience after comparing several centers in this area is that the ANL center's fees for full time attendance are about the same as at other centers or slightly lower. I believe that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between full and part time) would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid the ANL center, assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at the moment). One of the main reasons we never used the center for my son when he started day care in 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We didn't think that paying full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good solution for us, especially since most other centers are very accommodating in that respect. Also, to answer Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did fill it out quite carefully, but have received no feedback. Boyana Thurnauer, Marion C. wrote: > I remember the early days of the child development center when several > people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other > places in the area. When these issues were raised, the reply from the Lab > was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee. > If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully > the issue of fees will also be considered. > Marion T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. > To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to what > turns > out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. > Maryka > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quinn, Carol Ann > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM > To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Maryka, > Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to > Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to > explore > the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a > representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM > To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who > at > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing > to > get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keefe, Lisa > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > All.... > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) > in > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the > center > had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to > work....full-time, > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center > was > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, > and > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff > have > quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to > frustration > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've > been > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had > great > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of > the > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current > director > on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of > enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and > Argonne. > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the > regional > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with > parents. > But the problem with the current director is still present. This center > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. > to > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the > circles > of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. > Thus, > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long > commutes > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no > longer > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the > current > director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they > are > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not > with > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers > are > outstanding. > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But > we, > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and > quality > supplies. > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this > problem. Please contact me. > > -Lisa > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov > > Director > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 > Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 > Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 > 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net > Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 11:03:59 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA10478 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:03:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10472 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:03:57 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20793 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:03:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20790 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:03:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Feedback from Gwendolyn Morrison, Director, PFS Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:03:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.F0A25E20" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.F0A25E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear wisttalkers, I received a call from Gwen Morrison, Director of PFS, in response to the messages forwarded to her regarding the Argonne Child Development Center. Kimberly McAllister of PFS will be getting in touch with us to provide communication to all of those who are interested in the current status of the Center and its plans for the future. Members of PFS are aware of difficulties and have already invested in addressing some of them. Communication is important. Thanks to all of you who have provided your input. Maryka Bhattacharyya ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.F0A25E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Dear wisttalkers,
I received a call from Gwen Morrison, Director of PFS, in response to the messages forwarded to her regarding the Argonne Child Development Center. 
 
Kimberly McAllister of PFS will be getting in touch with us to provide communication to all of those who are interested in the current status of the Center and its plans for the future.  Members of PFS are aware of difficulties and have already invested in addressing some of them.
 
Communication is important.  Thanks to all of you who have provided your input.
Maryka Bhattacharyya
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.F0A25E20-- From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 11:12:05 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA10984 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:12:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10978 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:12:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23307 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from anchim.chm.anl.gov (anchim.chm.anl.gov [146.137.86.75]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23302 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: by anchim.chm.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TBJCVFH>; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:01:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: "VanWermeskerken, Nancy" To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:01:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.A3E65AF0" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.A3E65AF0 Content-Type: text/plain Okay, I'm about to get up on a soap box here, so bear with me. These are your children!! You pay the salaries of the care providers!!! They work for YOU!!! It doesn't matter who their contract is with. I've read and heard so many people say they have no recourse. This isn't true. If the parents tell the director of Bright Horizons that everyone is leaving, and recommending that no one use the ACDC due to problems, he/she has to listen. How can a business survive with no customers? Some of you have great experiences there, this is good. But some of these stories are heartbreaking. If the problem lies with one or two teachers, get them removed. The story of the teacher getting physical with children because she's "had a bad day" is unacceptable. And it is physical abuse. I don't use that word lightly. Now all of us who have dealt with toddlers know that they try our patience and test our resolve. But, taking it out on the kids is unacceptable, and ignoring the fact and making excuses is even worse. Children should not have to survive in a situation where they are afraid everyday. As a group you have a larger impact. Those are just my thoughts. Nancy. -----Original Message----- From: Norris, Boyana R. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:20 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare I'd like to provide a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our experience after comparing several centers in this area is that the ANL center's fees for full time attendance are about the same as at other centers or slightly lower. I believe that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between full and part time) would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid the ANL center, assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at the moment). One of the main reasons we never used the center for my son when he started day care in 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We didn't think that paying full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good solution for us, especially since most other centers are very accommodating in that respect. Also, to answer Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did fill it out quite carefully, but have received no feedback. Boyana Thurnauer, Marion C. wrote: > I remember the early days of the child development center when several > people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other > places in the area. When these issues were raised, the reply from the Lab > was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee. > If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully > the issue of fees will also be considered. > Marion T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. > To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to what > turns > out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. > Maryka > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quinn, Carol Ann > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM > To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Maryka, > Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to > Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to > explore > the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a > representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM > To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who > at > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing > to > get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keefe, Lisa > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > All.... > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) > in > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the > center > had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to > work....full-time, > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center > was > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, > and > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff > have > quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to > frustration > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've > been > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had > great > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of > the > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current > director > on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of > enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and > Argonne. > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the > regional > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with > parents. > But the problem with the current director is still present. This center > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. > to > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the > circles > of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. > Thus, > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long > commutes > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no > longer > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the > current > director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they > are > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not > with > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers > are > outstanding. > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But > we, > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and > quality > supplies. > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this > problem. Please contact me. > > -Lisa > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov > > Director > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 > Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 > Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 > 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net > Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.A3E65AF0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

Okay, I'm about to = get up on a soap box here, so bear with me.  These are your children!!  = You pay the salaries of the care = providers!!!  They work for YOU!!!  It doesn't matter who their contract is with.  I've read and heard so many people say = they have no recourse.  = This isn't true.  If = the parents tell the director of Bright Horizons that everyone is = leaving, and recommending that no one use = the ACDC due to problems, he/she has to listen.  How can a = business survive with no customers?  Some of you have great experiences there, this is = good.  But some of these stories are heartbreaking.  If the = problem lies with one or two teachers, get them = removed.  The story of = the teacher getting physical = with children because she's = "had a bad day" is unacceptable.  And it is physical = abuse.  I don't use = that word lightly.  Now = all of us who have dealt with toddlers know that they try our = patience and test our resolve.  But, = taking it out on the kids is unacceptable, and ignoring the fact and = making excuses is even worse.  Children should not have to survive in a situation = where they are afraid everyday.  As a group = you have a larger impact.  Those are just my thoughts.

Nancy.

-----Original = Message-----
From: Norris, Boyana R.
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:20 AM
To: wisttalk@anl.gov
Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

I'd like to provide = a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our experience

after comparing = several centers in this area is that the ANL center's fees

for full time = attendance are about the same as at other centers or slightly =

lower. I believe = that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between full

and part time) = would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid the

ANL center, = assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at the =

moment). One of the = main reasons we never used the center for my son when he

started day care in = 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We didn't

think that paying = full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good

solution for us, = especially since most other centers are very accommodating

in that = respect.

Also, to answer = Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did fill it =

out quite = carefully, but have received no feedback.

Boyana



Thurnauer, Marion = C. wrote:

>  I = remember the early days of the child development center when = several

> people did not = take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other

> places in the = area.  When these issues were raised, the reply from the = Lab

> was that the = high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee.

> If all or many = of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully

> the issue of = fees will also be considered.

> Marion = T.  

>

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: = Bhattacharyya, M. H.

> To: Quinn, = Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov

> Cc: Derbidge, = Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J.

> Sent: 4/22/03 = 5:26 PM

> Subject: RE: = Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

> Thank you, = Carol!  I look forward to working toward a solution to = what

> = turns

> out to be a = clear problem.  Thanks for getting involved.

> = Maryka

>

>

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: Quinn, = Carol Ann

> Sent: Tuesday, = April 22, 2003 5:05 PM

> To: = Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov

> Cc: Derbidge, = Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J.

> Subject: RE: = Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

>

> = Maryka,

> Just to let = you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to

> Gwendolyn = Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to

> = explore

> the issues = presented in the numerous e-mail.  I would Gwendolyn or = a

> representative = will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol

>

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: = mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov]

> Sent: Tuesday, = April 22, 2003 4:36 PM

> To: = keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov

> Subject: RE: = Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

>

> Thank you, = Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL

> Daycare = Center.  It is clear to me that something needs to be done.  = Who

> at

> Argonne is in = a position to make decisions in this area?  I am = willing

> to

> get involved, = and it sounds like others are too. Maryka

>

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: Keefe, = Lisa

> Sent: Tuesday, = April 22, 2003 4:31 PM

> To: = wisttalk@anl.gov

> Subject: Re: = Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

>

> = All....

>

> Here is my = experience with the Argonne Child Development Center:

>

> We enrolled my = oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC)

> in

> the fall of = 1996 when he was 4 months old.  At that time, the center = was

> = superb!!!  Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if = the

> = center

> had not met my = expectations, I may not have returned to

> = work....full-time,

> part-time, or = at all.  By the time my son was in preschool 2, the = center

> was

> on its third = director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins.  = The

> first two = directors were great....the teachers were talented, = motivated,

> and

> happy.  = Under the administration of the third and current director, = the

> center has = deteriorated.  Most (but not yet all) of the talented = staff

> = have

> quit.  = Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to

> = frustration

> with the new = management team.  Our twins are still enrolled....we've

> = been

> very = pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all = had

> = great

> = teachers.  But our experiences with the current director have = been

> = miserable.  My husband and I each have served different terms as = one of

> the

> Parent = Association Directors and thus have worked with the current

> = director

> on numerous = issues/activities.  We have joined with other parents = of

> enrolled = children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and

> = Argonne.

> Some action = has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the

> = regional

> manager now = intervenes in some of the center's communication with

> = parents.

> But the = problem with the current director is still present.  This = center

> used to = attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved = ahead.....i.e.

> to

> manage other = new centers.  This center had a reputation within the

> = circles

> of day care = providers of being an excellent place at which to work.

> = Thus,

> applicants = competed to get positions here.  Teachers tolerated = long

> = commutes

> because the = center was such a wonderful place to work.  That is no

> = longer

> true.  = The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the

> = current

> director than = it was under the first two directors combined.  Private

> conversations = with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they

> are

> frustrated = with the director on a number of issues.  The problem is = not

> = with

> Bright = Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., = Abbott

> Laboratories, = Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers

> are

> = outstanding.

>

> The Argonne = center also offers a summer camp program.  Our son wants = to

> return so that = he can spend the summer with his preschool friends.  = But

> we,

> his parents, = are dissatisfied with the program.  Summer camp programs = at

> other centers = in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and

> = quality

> = supplies.

>

> Perhaps = Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing = with

> Bright = Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the

> = program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer = camp.

>

> I offer to = meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this

> problem.  = Please contact me.

>

> = -Lisa

>

>

> = *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*<= /FONT>

>

> Lisa J. Keefe, = Ph.D.           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;    e-mail:  keefe@anl.gov

>

> = Director

> Industrial = Macromolecular Crystallography Association -

>           = Collaborative Access Team  (IMCA-CAT)

>

> c/o IMCA-CAT, = Sector 17, Bldg. = #435A           &= nbsp;  phone:  630.252.0544

> Advanced = Photon = Source           =             =        fax:  630.252.0521

> Argonne = National = Laboratory          &n= bsp;            = pager:  630.314.0544

> 9700 South = Cass = Avenue           =           = 6303140544@archwireless.net

> Argonne, = IL   60439   = USA           &nb= sp;           &nb= sp; www.imca.aps.anl.gov

>

> = *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*<= /FONT>

>



------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B1.A3E65AF0-- From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 11:35:20 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA12414 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12406 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:35:18 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00819 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:35:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00816; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:35:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:35:18 -0500 Message-ID: To: wisttalk@anl.gov Cc: gjmorrison@anl.gov, kmcallister@anl.gov, mderbidge@anl.gov, cquinn@anl.gov, stef@anl.gov Subject: Message from Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:35:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C309B6.4FAF4410" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B6.4FAF4410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" See below the invitation from Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison to contact Kim McAllister with concerns regarding ACDC. Also as indicated, Kim will be contacting persons who have already voiced concerns. Maryka B. -----Original Message----- From: Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:25 AM To: Stefanski, Elizabeth M.; Bhattacharyya, M. H. Cc: McAllister, Kimberly; Quinn, Carol Ann; Derbidge, Michael H. Subject: RE: Argonne Day Care Center issues Good morning everyone, While returning to the office yesterday I learned that a number of concerns and issues continue to be raised regarding the quality of service and the performance/conduct of employees retained by the Laboratory's current child care services contractor. Several months ago, a family made me personally aware of their dissatisfaction with the quality and level of service they had received from the Bright Horizons organization. That family did me a great service and I am gratefully that they took to time to let me know how they felt. I was very disturbed by the information presented. I immediately directed a review of the situation and circumstances surrounding the complaints. The Laboratory took steps to facilitate "clearer" communications between the parents/families and the Laboratory contractor. I believed these steps dramatically improved the situation. I would like to invite the other members of our ANL community to contact a member of my staff, Mrs. Kim McAllister, to share with her your concerns and apprehensions as they relate to this issue. Kim recently assumed the position of Asst Director for the PFS Division and like myself she is a mother with young children. Kim and I both spoke and held meetings with senior members of the Bright Horizons management team and I impressed upon them the need for modifications in their execution of their work for the families at ANL who entrust children to their care. Changes were made almost immediately. While work continues as the center undergoes additional transitions, individuals very close to the situation have advised me that many of the highly charged issues have been addressed. It appears that while a lot of good has been done to mend the relationship between families and the child care provider there exists still some families whose needs have not been met. Because PFS administers the contract and serves as liaison for the Laboratory, I would again like to invite those families with information to share (which will help us made the child care concerns less stressful for us all) to make yourselves known to Kim McAllister. Kim can be reached by email and also by telephone at 2-7206. Our division's representative on this contract is Patricia Moonier. You may also feel free to contact Pat. When I speak to Kim this morning, I will also ask that she take steps to link with those who believe they have especially been harmed by actions or behaviors of the Bright Horizons organization. To the family that first alerted me to the concerns I again thank you. Gwendolyn -----Original Message----- From: Stefanski, Elizabeth M. Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:01 PM To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. Subject: Argonne Day Care Center issues Maryka and Gwendolyn - I think the most constructive thing that could be done short-term would be for the two of you to talk and then for one of you to send an email to wisttalk explaining the current situation at ADCC and why there is no longer (or still is) a reason for concern. Absent that action, there will be a lot of frustrated wisttalk subscribers out there! Thanks, Liz P.S. Maryka, is there still a "live" WIST Web page on the Argonne intranet? If so, can you give me the URL for it, because I couldn't find it! Elizabeth Stefanski, Ph.D. Assistant to the Laboratory Director OTD/201 Argonne National Laboratory 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439 Phone: (630) 252-6493 Fax: (630) 252-7923 Email: stef@anl.gov ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B6.4FAF4410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
See below the invitation from Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison to contact Kim McAllister with concerns regarding ACDC.  Also as indicated, Kim will be contacting persons who have already voiced concerns.
Maryka B.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J.
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Stefanski, Elizabeth M.; Bhattacharyya, M. H.
Cc: McAllister, Kimberly; Quinn, Carol Ann; Derbidge, Michael H.
Subject: RE: Argonne Day Care Center issues

Good morning everyone,

While returning to the office yesterday I learned that a number of concerns and issues continue to be raised regarding the quality of service and the performance/conduct of employees retained by the Laboratory's current child care services contractor.  Several months ago, a family made me personally aware of their dissatisfaction with the quality and level of service they had received from the Bright Horizons organization.  That family did me a great service and I am gratefully that they took to time to let me know how they felt.  I was very disturbed by the information presented.  I immediately directed a review of the situation and circumstances surrounding the complaints. 

The Laboratory took steps to facilitate "clearer" communications between the parents/families and the Laboratory contractor.  I believed these steps dramatically improved the situation.  I would like to invite the other members of our ANL community to contact a member of my staff, Mrs. Kim McAllister, to share with her your concerns and apprehensions as they relate to this issue.  Kim recently assumed the position of Asst Director for the PFS Division and like myself she is a mother with young children.  Kim and I both spoke and held meetings with senior members of the Bright Horizons management team and I impressed upon them the need for modifications in their execution of their work for the families at ANL who entrust children to their care.   Changes were made almost immediately.  While work continues as the center undergoes additional transitions, individuals very close to the situation have advised me that many of the highly charged issues have been addressed.

It appears that while a lot of good has been done to mend the relationship between  families and the child care provider there exists still some families whose needs have not been met.   Because PFS administers the contract and serves as liaison for the Laboratory, I would again like to invite those families with information to share (which will help us made the child care concerns less stressful for us all) to make yourselves known to Kim McAllister.  Kim can be reached by email and also by telephone at 2-7206.  Our division's representative on this contract is Patricia Moonier.  You may also feel free to contact Pat.

When I speak to Kim this morning, I will also ask that she take steps to link with those who believe they have especially been harmed by actions or behaviors of the Bright Horizons organization.

To the family that first alerted me to the concerns I again thank you.   

Gwendolyn

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Stefanski, Elizabeth M.
      Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:01 PM
      To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J.
      Subject: Argonne Day Care Center issues

      Maryka and Gwendolyn -

      I think the most constructive thing that could be done short-term would be for the two of you to talk and then for one of you to send an email to wisttalk explaining the current situation at ADCC and why there is no longer (or still is) a reason for concern.  Absent that action, there will be a lot of frustrated wisttalk subscribers out there!

      Thanks,

      Liz

      P.S.  Maryka, is there still a "live" WIST Web page on the Argonne intranet?  If so, can you give me the URL for it, because I couldn't find it!



      Elizabeth Stefanski, Ph.D.

      Assistant to the Laboratory Director

      OTD/201

      Argonne National Laboratory

      9700 South Cass Avenue

      Argonne, IL 60439

       

      Phone:  (630) 252-6493

      Fax:  (630) 252-7923

      Email:  stef@anl.gov


------_=_NextPart_001_01C309B6.4FAF4410-- From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 11:50:50 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA13515 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:50:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13507 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:50:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05644 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:50:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from iota.aps.anl.gov (firewall-user@iotaanl.aps.anl.gov [164.54.56.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05641 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:50:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iota.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3NGokX22247 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:50:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from epics.aps.anl.gov(164.54.8.141) by iota.aps.anl.gov via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAc_aiBR; Wed, 23 Apr 03 11:50:42 -0500 Received: from aps.anl.gov (aodpc11.aps.anl.gov [164.54.84.212]) by epics.aps.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NGoVQ16459; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EA6C49D.C5BCAC60@aps.anl.gov> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:51:41 -0500 From: Julie Alderman Organization: aps X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "VanWermeskerken, Nancy" CC: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2CFBDAC46944CA832616CA63" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk --------------2CFBDAC46944CA832616CA63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nancy, Since I am the one that witnessed this "physical abuse", I would like to clarify a few things. I went to the director, and as I wrote before, got an unacceptable response. I then went to the Bright Horizons director. Aside from the teacher and I believe the center director being "written up", the teacher was left in the room even though there were actually two complaints filed concerning her rough treatment of the children. I threatened to pull my child out of the center if the teacher were not removed from that room, but they did not care. So I did pull my child out of the center, but I did not stop there. I spoke directly to my division director about the problem, I wrote to Bev Hartline, and more recently I have pressed the issue with our Associate Lab Director through a task force that he started in relation to women's issues at the APS. My division director was sympathetic but said he did not know what he could do about problems with the daycare center, and Bev Hartline never responded. Murrray Gibson has been putting a lot of effort into figuring out what can be done. The problem is there was never a way to discuss this as a large group that would be able to unite and get problem teachers removed. Until now. I hope that all of these discussions will result in some type of a solution that will make the Argonne daycare center into what it used to be, a benefit to ALL Argonne employees, where their children can be close by and still get the best possible care. If there is any way that I can help, please let me know. Julie "VanWermeskerken, Nancy" wrote: > > > Okay, I'm about to get up on a soap box here, so bear with me. These > are your children!! You pay the salaries of the care providers!!! > They work for YOU!!! It doesn't matter who their contract is with. > I've read and heard so many people say they have no recourse. This > isn't true. If the parents tell the director of Bright Horizons that > everyone is leaving, and recommending that no one use the ACDC due to > problems, he/she has to listen. How can a business survive with no > customers? Some of you have great experiences there, this is good. > But some of these stories are heartbreaking. If the problem lies with > one or two teachers, get them removed. The story of the teacher > getting physical with children because she's "had a bad day" is > unacceptable. And it is physical abuse. I don't use that word > lightly. Now all of us who have dealt with toddlers know that they > try our patience and test our resolve. But, taking it out on the kids > is unacceptable, and ignoring the fact and making excuses is even > worse. Children should not have to survive in a situation where they > are afraid everyday. As a group you have a larger impact. Those are > just my thoughts. > > Nancy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norris, Boyana R. > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:20 AM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > I'd like to provide a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our > experience > > after comparing several centers in this area is that the ANL center's > fees > > for full time attendance are about the same as at other centers or > slightly > > lower. I believe that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between > full > > and part time) would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid > the > > ANL center, assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at > the > > moment). One of the main reasons we never used the center for my son > when he > > started day care in 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We > didn't > > think that paying full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good > > solution for us, especially since most other centers are very > accommodating > > in that respect. > > Also, to answer Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did > fill it > > out quite carefully, but have received no feedback. > > Boyana > > > Thurnauer, Marion C. wrote: > > > I remember the early days of the child development center when > several > > > people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to > other > > > places in the area. When these issues were raised, the reply from > the Lab > > > was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher > fee. > > > If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, > hopefully > > > the issue of fees will also be considered. > > > Marion T. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. > > > To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > > > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > > > Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM > > > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > > > > Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to > what > > > turns > > > out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. > > > Maryka > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Quinn, Carol Ann > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM > > > To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > > > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > > > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > > > > > > > Maryka, > > > Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to > > > Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to > > > explore > > > the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would Gwendolyn or a > > > representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM > > > To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov > > > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the > ANL > > > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. > Who > > > at > > > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am > willing > > > to > > > get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Keefe, Lisa > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > > > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > > > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > > > > > > > All.... > > > > > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > > > > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center > (ACDC) > > > in > > > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center > was > > > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the > > > center > > > had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to > > > work....full-time, > > > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the > center > > > was > > > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. > The > > > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, > motivated, > > > and > > > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, > the > > > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented > staff > > > have > > > quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to > > > frustration > > > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've > > > been > > > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had > > > great > > > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > > > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one > of > > > the > > > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current > > > director > > > on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other parents of > > > enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and > > > Argonne. > > > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the > > > regional > > > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with > > > parents. > > > But the problem with the current director is still present. This > center > > > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved > ahead.....i.e. > > > to > > > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the > > > circles > > > of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work. > > > Thus, > > > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long > > > commutes > > > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no > > > longer > > > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the > > > current > > > director than it was under the first two directors combined. > Private > > > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that > they > > > are > > > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is > not > > > with > > > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., > Abbott > > > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these > centers > > > are > > > outstanding. > > > > > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants > to > > > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. > But > > > we, > > > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp > programs at > > > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and > > > quality > > > supplies. > > > > > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing > with > > > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > > > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > > > > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address > this > > > problem. Please contact me. > > > > > > -Lisa > > > > > > > > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > > > > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: > keefe@anl.gov > > > > > > Director > > > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > > > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > > > > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: > 630.252.0544 > > > Advanced Photon Source fax: > 630.252.0521 > > > Argonne National Laboratory pager: > 630.314.0544 > > > 9700 South Cass Avenue > 6303140544@archwireless.net > > > Argonne, IL 60439 USA > www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > > > > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > > > --------------2CFBDAC46944CA832616CA63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nancy,
Since I am the one that witnessed this "physical abuse", I would like to clarify a few things. I went to the director, and as I wrote before, got an unacceptable response. I then went to the Bright Horizons director. Aside from the teacher and I believe the center director being "written up", the teacher was left in the room even though there were actually two complaints filed concerning her rough treatment of the children. I threatened to pull my child out of the center if the teacher were not removed from that room, but they did not care. So I did pull my child out of the center, but I did not stop there. I spoke directly to my division director about the problem, I wrote to Bev Hartline, and more recently I have pressed the issue with our Associate Lab Director through a task force that he started in relation to women's issues at the APS. My division director was sympathetic but said he did not know what he could do about problems with the daycare center, and Bev Hartline never responded. Murrray Gibson has been putting a lot of effort into figuring out what can be done. The problem is there was never a way to discuss this as a large group that would be able to unite and get problem teachers removed. Until now. I hope that all of these discussions will result in some type of a solution that will make the Argonne daycare center into what it used to be, a benefit to ALL Argonne employees, where their children can be close by and still get the best possible care. If there is any way that I can help, please let me know.
Julie

"VanWermeskerken, Nancy" wrote:

 

Okay, I'm about to get up on a soap box here, so bear with me.  These are your children!!  You pay the salaries of the care providers!!!  They work for YOU!!!  It doesn't matter who their contract is with.  I've read and heard so many people say they have no recourse.  This isn't true.  If the parents tell the director of Bright Horizons that everyone is leaving, and recommending that no one use the ACDC due to problems, he/she has to listen.  How can a business survive with no customers?  Some of you have great experiences there, this is good.  But some of these stories are heartbreaking.  If the problem lies with one or two teachers, get them removed.  The story of the teacher getting physical with children because she's "had a bad day" is unacceptable.  And it is physical abuse.  I don't use that word lightly.  Now all of us who have dealt with toddlers know that they try our patience and test our resolve.  But, taking it out on the kids is unacceptable, and ignoring the fact and making excuses is even worse.  Children should not have to survive in a situation where they are afraid everyday.  As a group you have a larger impact.  Those are just my thoughts.

Nancy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Norris, Boyana R.
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:20 AM
To: wisttalk@anl.gov
Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

I'd like to provide a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our experience

after comparing several centers in this area is that the ANL center's fees

for full time attendance are about the same as at other centers or slightly

lower. I believe that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between full

and part time) would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid the

ANL center, assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at the

moment). One of the main reasons we never used the center for my son when he

started day care in 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We didn't

think that paying full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good

solution for us, especially since most other centers are very accommodating

in that respect.

Also, to answer Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did fill it

out quite carefully, but have received no feedback.

Boyana
 

Thurnauer, Marion C. wrote:

>  I remember the early days of the child development center when several

> people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other

> places in the area.  When these issues were raised, the reply from the Lab

> was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee.

> If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully

> the issue of fees will also be considered.

> Marion T.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Bhattacharyya, M. H.

> To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov

> Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J.

> Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM

> Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

> Thank you, Carol!  I look forward to working toward a solution to what

> turns

> out to be a clear problem.  Thanks for getting involved.

> Maryka

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Quinn, Carol Ann

> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM

> To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov

> Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J.

> Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

>

> Maryka,

> Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to

> Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to

> explore

> the issues presented in the numerous e-mail.  I would Gwendolyn or a

> representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, Carol

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov]

> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM

> To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov

> Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

>

> Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL

> Daycare Center.  It is clear to me that something needs to be done.  Who

> at

> Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area?  I am willing

> to

> get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Keefe, Lisa

> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM

> To: wisttalk@anl.gov

> Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare

>

>

> All....

>

> Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center:

>

> We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC)

> in

> the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old.  At that time, the center was

> superb!!!  Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the

> center

> had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to

> work....full-time,

> part-time, or at all.  By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center

> was

> on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins.  The

> first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated,

> and

> happy.  Under the administration of the third and current director, the

> center has deteriorated.  Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff

> have

> quit.  Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to

> frustration

> with the new management team.  Our twins are still enrolled....we've

> been

> very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had

> great

> teachers.  But our experiences with the current director have been

> miserable.  My husband and I each have served different terms as one of

> the

> Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current

> director

> on numerous issues/activities.  We have joined with other parents of

> enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright Horizons and

> Argonne.

> Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the

> regional

> manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with

> parents.

> But the problem with the current director is still present.  This center

> used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e.

> to

> manage other new centers.  This center had a reputation within the

> circles

> of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to work.

> Thus,

> applicants competed to get positions here.  Teachers tolerated long

> commutes

> because the center was such a wonderful place to work.  That is no

> longer

> true.  The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the

> current

> director than it was under the first two directors combined.  Private

> conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they

> are

> frustrated with the director on a number of issues.  The problem is not

> with

> Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott

> Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers

> are

> outstanding.

>

> The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program.  Our son wants to

> return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends.  But

> we,

> his parents, are dissatisfied with the program.  Summer camp programs at

> other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and

> quality

> supplies.

>

> Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with

> Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the

> program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp.

>

> I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this

> problem.  Please contact me.

>

> -Lisa

>

>

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>

> Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D.                            e-mail:  keefe@anl.gov

>

> Director

> Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association -

>           Collaborative Access Team  (IMCA-CAT)

>

> c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A              phone:  630.252.0544

> Advanced Photon Source                              fax:  630.252.0521

> Argonne National Laboratory                       pager:  630.314.0544

> 9700 South Cass Avenue                     6303140544@archwireless.net

> Argonne, IL   60439   USA                         www.imca.aps.anl.gov

>

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--------------2CFBDAC46944CA832616CA63-- From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 23 15:16:07 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA27170 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:16:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27124 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:16:04 -0500 (CDT) From: mhbhatt@anl.gov Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03511 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:16:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from biomail.bio.anl.gov (biomail.bio.anl.gov [146.139.170.3]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03491; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:16:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: by biomail.bio.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:16:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: kmcallister@anl.gov Cc: gjmorrison@anl.gov, cquinn@anl.gov, mderbidge@anl.gov, stef@anl.gov, wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: PFS-arranged meeting on ACDC Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:15:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C309D5.27EC7DC0" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309D5.27EC7DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Kim, Thank you for your phone call today. I was pleased to learn that you will arrange a meeting in the May 1-12 timeframe, of those persons who have concerns about Argonne's current Child Development Center. I understand that the meeting will include a discussion 1) with the Regional Vice President of Bright Horizons, and 2) of Argonne's plans for the future of ACDC. Below are the names of those persons who should be invited, as they each took the time to participate in the discussion on wisttalk. If others are interested in joining the meeting, I trust that they will communicate their interest to you directly at kmcallister@anl.gov Thank you for your leadership in this area! With best regards, Maryka Bhattacharyya WIST Program Initiator for Argonne Julie Alderman Maryka Bhattacharyya Elizabeth Grom Kelly Jaje Jacqueline Johnson Lisa Keefe Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz Roser Maramala Paradeda Lois Curfman McInnes Elizabeth Moog Boyana Norris Deborah Quock Giselle Sandi-Tapia Cynthia Salbego Denise Seeman Peggy Stepuszek Deborah Stevens Pamela Sydelko Nancy VanWermeskerken Mary Ann Widing ------_=_NextPart_001_01C309D5.27EC7DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
Dear Kim,
Thank you for your phone call today.  I was pleased to learn that you will arrange a meeting in the May 1-12 timeframe, of those persons who have concerns about Argonne's current Child Development Center.  I understand that the meeting will include a discussion 1) with the Regional Vice President of Bright Horizons, and 2) of Argonne's plans for the future of ACDC.  
 
Below are the names of those persons who should be invited, as they each took the time to participate in the discussion on wisttalk. If others are interested in joining the meeting, I trust that they will communicate their interest to you directly at kmcallister@anl.gov
 
Thank you for your leadership in this area!
With best regards,
Maryka Bhattacharyya
WIST Program Initiator for Argonne
 
Julie Alderman
Maryka Bhattacharyya
Elizabeth Grom
Kelly Jaje
Jacqueline Johnson
Lisa Keefe
Kirsten Laurin-Kovitz
Roser Maramala Paradeda
Lois Curfman McInnes
Elizabeth Moog
Boyana Norris
Deborah Quock
Giselle Sandi-Tapia
Cynthia Salbego
Denise Seeman
Peggy Stepuszek
Deborah Stevens
Pamela Sydelko
Nancy VanWermeskerken
Mary Ann Widing
------_=_NextPart_001_01C309D5.27EC7DC0-- From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 24 09:54:04 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA21772 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:54:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21766 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:54:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04577 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04572 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A2C5F0FA3; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CMTNTS3.cmt.anl.gov (cmtnts3.cmt.anl.gov [146.139.148.67]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ED45F154C for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:53:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: by cmtnts3.cmt.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:53:59 -0500 Message-ID: <319F43858980954380635EC0544807434DA735@cmtnts3.cmt.anl.gov> From: "Seeman, Denise M." To: "'wisttalk@anl.gov'" Subject: FW: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:53:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.8 required=5.7 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk My experience for checking into daycare prices are similar. Some daycare prices are less and some are more. However, I've been told that Bright Horizons does not pay for the building or the food service so their prices should be lower than other facilities which pay for these expenses themselves and pass it on to the customer. Denise Seeman -----Original Message----- From: Yates, Eve A. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:03 PM To: Seeman, Denise M. Subject: FW: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare -----Original Message----- From: Grom, Elizabeth F. On Behalf Of Grom, Elizabeth F. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:47 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: FW: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare p.s. For those that are not aware, the ANL daycare charges $211 per week for an infant enrolled full-time. Elizabeth Grom, P.E. Engineering Project Manager Argonne National Laboratory PFS-FEC Building 214, Office A229 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439-4814 (630) 252-8274 -----Original Message----- From: Grom, Elizabeth F. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:33 AM To: Norris, Boyana R.; wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare To add to Boyana's discussion, since we just recently went through pricing, we found that the Kindercare in Downers Grove was charging about $275 per week for a full-time infant. The home daycares charged anywhere from $125 to $175 per week, however the people charging $125 are not licensed by the state and are therefore not reporting their income to the IRS (which means that you pay in cash and you cannot take the tax deduction). Our current provider charges $165 per week and is state licensed. DCFS makes surprise visits about once every 2 to 3 months, and then they also make scheduled visits a couple of times a year. Most of the home daycares have part-time options, but if your schedule only allows you to go down to a 4-day work week, you pay the full-time fee. I'm not sure how Kindercare handles this, as we never really looked at anything but full-time status. Note also, that the price for home daycare does not change with age...whereas the price of the larger daycare centers drops off dramatically as the children get older. Elizabeth Grom, P.E. Engineering Project Manager Argonne National Laboratory PFS-FEC Building 214, Office A229 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, IL 60439-4814 (630) 252-8274 -----Original Message----- From: Norris, Boyana R. Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:20 AM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare I'd like to provide a bit of input on the subject of fees -- our experience after comparing several centers in this area is that the ANL center's fees for full time attendance are about the same as at other centers or slightly lower. I believe that the lack of flexibility (e.g. switching between full and part time) would be a larger factor in parents' decision to avoid the ANL center, assuming all else is equal (which it obviously is not at the moment). One of the main reasons we never used the center for my son when he started day care in 2001 was that there were no part-time options. We didn't think that paying full-time fees for part-time attendance was a good solution for us, especially since most other centers are very accommodating in that respect. Also, to answer Trudy's question about the survey last year -- I did fill it out quite carefully, but have received no feedback. Boyana Thurnauer, Marion C. wrote: > I remember the early days of the child development center when several > people did not take advantage of it because of the cost compared to other > places in the area. When these issues were raised, the reply from the Lab > was that the high quality of the ANL center accounted for the higher fee. > If all or many of the present concerns do get straightened out, hopefully > the issue of fees will also be considered. > Marion T. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhattacharyya, M. H. > To: Quinn, Carol Ann; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Sent: 4/22/03 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > Thank you, Carol! I look forward to working toward a solution to what > turns out to be a clear problem. Thanks for getting involved. > Maryka > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quinn, Carol Ann > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:05 PM > To: Bhattacharyya, M. H.; Keefe, Lisa; wisttalk@anl.gov > Cc: Derbidge, Michael H.; Allen-Morrison, Gwendolyn J. > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Maryka, > Just to let you know that I have been forwarding all the messages to > Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison and Mike Derbidge, who are both anxious to > explore the issues presented in the numerous e-mail. I would > Gwendolyn or a representative will be calling you shortly. Regards, > Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhbhatt@anl.gov [mailto:mhbhatt@anl.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:36 PM > To: keefe@anl.gov; wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: RE: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > Thank you, Lisa, and all who have posted their experiences with the ANL > Daycare Center. It is clear to me that something needs to be done. Who > at > Argonne is in a position to make decisions in this area? I am willing > to get involved, and it sounds like others are too. Maryka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keefe, Lisa > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:31 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: Re: Family / work balance -- ANL Daycare > > > All.... > > Here is my experience with the Argonne Child Development Center: > > We enrolled my oldest son at the Argonne Child Development Center (ACDC) > in > the fall of 1996 when he was 4 months old. At that time, the center was > superb!!! Since this was my first child and I was a postdoc, if the > center had not met my expectations, I may not have returned to > work....full-time, > part-time, or at all. By the time my son was in preschool 2, the center > was > on its third director and we were ready to enroll our infant twins. The > first two directors were great....the teachers were talented, motivated, > and > happy. Under the administration of the third and current director, the > center has deteriorated. Most (but not yet all) of the talented staff > have quit. Some due to other circumstances but many have quit due to > frustration > with the new management team. Our twins are still enrolled....we've > been > very pro-active in voicing our desires and our children have all had > great > teachers. But our experiences with the current director have been > miserable. My husband and I each have served different terms as one of > the > Parent Association Directors and thus have worked with the current > director on numerous issues/activities. We have joined with other > parents of enrolled children in bringing our concerns to Bright > Horizons and Argonne. > Some action has been taken recently by Bright Horizons in that the > regional > manager now intervenes in some of the center's communication with > parents. > But the problem with the current director is still present. This center > used to attract outstanding teachers who frequently moved ahead.....i.e. > to > manage other new centers. This center had a reputation within the > circles of day care providers of being an excellent place at which to > work. Thus, > applicants competed to get positions here. Teachers tolerated long > commutes > because the center was such a wonderful place to work. That is no > longer > true. The rate of teacher turn-over is so much greater under the > current > director than it was under the first two directors combined. Private > conversations with the teachers (current and former) indicate that they > are > frustrated with the director on a number of issues. The problem is not > with > Bright Horizons as they operate centers at Northwestern Univ., Abbott > Laboratories, Eli Lilly, and other corporate locations and these centers > are > outstanding. > > The Argonne center also offers a summer camp program. Our son wants to > return so that he can spend the summer with his preschool friends. But > we, > his parents, are dissatisfied with the program. Summer camp programs at > other centers in this area offer far more comprehensive programs and > quality supplies. > > Perhaps Argonne needs to take a firm and active position in dealing with > Bright Horizons regarding the administration of the center and the > program....especially in the preschool rooms and summer camp. > > I offer to meet/speak with anyone at Argonne who wants to address this > problem. Please contact me. > > -Lisa > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Lisa J. Keefe, Ph.D. e-mail: keefe@anl.gov > > Director > Industrial Macromolecular Crystallography Association - > Collaborative Access Team (IMCA-CAT) > > c/o IMCA-CAT, Sector 17, Bldg. #435A phone: 630.252.0544 > Advanced Photon Source fax: 630.252.0521 > Argonne National Laboratory pager: 630.314.0544 > 9700 South Cass Avenue 6303140544@archwireless.net > Argonne, IL 60439 USA www.imca.aps.anl.gov > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 24 13:37:33 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA10614 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:37:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10608 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:37:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14099 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:37:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14054 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1155F0CE4; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:37:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0971A5F0C5F for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:36:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3OIaX919510 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:36:33 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: FW: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:40:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-108.8 required=5.7 tests=MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find the Martha Redi's comments valuable and very true. My experience, going from theoretical physics, to applied science, to computing, back to applied science, has suffered the same obstacles as Martha Redi exposed in her contribution. Eliane Lessner. -----Original Message----- From: Women in Physics [mailto:wiphys@aps.org] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:32 AM To: esl@aps.anl.gov Subject: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 RE-ENTRY/PART-TIME, cont. 1. Changing Fields 2. Too Optimistic? 3. Postponement of Tenure Decision? ******MESSAGE ONE **** CHANGING FIELDS Did you take a 'break' of a year or more in your career to raise children? If so, how did you get back into physics? Did you work part-time? volunteer with a research group? - My experience is from 20-30 years ago, but may have some interest. When I received my PhD there were no jobs in my specialty of theoretical condensed matter, within commuting distance, that had any interest for me, so I remained at my graduate institution as a part time instructor and researcher for a year, became pregnant and dropped out for 5 years. There was also at that time no child care, and part time jobs were pretty clearly deadend, but mostly there was nothing that was interesting. Very rough time to find a good job in physics - maybe 5 jobs in the whole US in the back of Physics Today. When my son was 5, I decided to go back to work, and was very fortunate to have parents-in-law nearby to pitch in with childcare and many friends in Princeton, NJ. I joined a research group in biomolecular computing in the Princeton University chemistry department (unpaid for 6 months, then became a part-time instructor teaching quantum chemistry). When first getting started in this group, I was encouraged to apply for postdoctoral fellowships from NIH, AAUW and another (for which I forget the name). The professor whose group I had joined, suggested a good idea for a proposal for these fellowships and I was offered all the fellowships I'd applied for. I accepted the NIH because it was for 3 years and then moved to the physics Department where I worked for 3 years in both theoretical biophysics and condensed matter. Had a wonderful time, published terrific first author papers, but a permanent situation did not materialize. I moved to the Princeton University Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory where there was a job in mathematical modeling of ocean dynamics. Again I had a wonderful time, published a very highly cited first author paper, but the permanent situation which had been initially "promised", disappeared. At this point I'd had >5 years of postdoctoral work, a 10 year old son, ill parents and parents-in-law nearby and could not take on a long commute, nor another postdoc. So I took another job at Princeton University, this time replacing a physics Bachelor's degreed computer programmer in the Plasma Physics Laboratory. But this was finally a permanent staff position. It took 20 years and about 25 peer reviewed, first author publications after that to make it to the top rank, Principal Research Physicist. For this I had to be voted in just as academic departments vote for the top ranks of professors. Along the way I've effectively completed PhD's in condensed matter, theoretical biophysics, oceanography, and plasma physics. One particularly difficult aspect of this has been that changing fields drastically, as I did to remain in the same geographical area, destroys the integrated value of your earlier knowledge, earlier contacts and earlier accomplishments. I would strongly encourage staying in the same general field if at all possible and I hope you find success and happiness. Martha Redi, Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory redi@pppl.gov ********MESSAGE TWO ***** TOO OPTIMISTIC? I find this posting very refreshing, but also very optimistic and somewhat misleading. The author implies that the difficulties women face to have a career in science and a family are pretty much in our minds. I don't agree with that. As scientists, we should be able to distinguish between trends and particular cases. What this posting is talking about is a particular case. What the studies and statistics talk about are trends. The trend is for women to drop out of the pipeline at all stages and also to be less successful that they could have been (or that they would have been had they been men-see the pay difference for example) when they stay. While it is true that hard good work will take you farther, man or woman, it is also true that there is ingrained difficulty in the system for women because we are perceived as different by too many of our peers. Or are we going to buy now that women are leaving careers ONLY because they choose too? No, the choice is too many times made for us by the system. The system is getting better, of course, but we have to keep at it because it didn't get better on its own. Isabel Echeverreda, Ph D Phone: (+1) (608) 218 9632 E-mail: iechever@chem.wisc.edu http://www.fisfun.uned.es/~iechever/iechever.html ***MESSAGE THREE ******** POSTPONEMENT OF TENURE DECISION? I have a question regarding postponement of the tenure decision for childbearing reasons. I am a tenure-track physics faculty at a small liberal arts college and am expecting my first child in about a month. My husband is also a physics faculty member (with tenure) at this institution. I plan to take an unpaid leave of absence for the fall semester (fall 2003), and return full-time in January. My question is the following: My tenure review is scheduled for fall of 2004 (during my sixth year), which is one year after my one term leave. Because I am taking a one semester leave in fall 2003, the Dean has offered to postpone my tenure review one full year. I don't know if this is a good idea or not, since I have no idea how being a mother will affect my ability to continue my activities with their current time commitments. There is no option of postponing it by just one semester, since all tenure reviews are conducted during the fall semester. I meet with my Dean next week! to discuss this issue. I proposed that he let me return to work for one semester and then make a decision about whether or not I want to postpone my review; but he cannot wait until the end of that semester for my decision. I think I am in great shape for tenure, having plenty of publications and great evaluations, so I'm not sure postponing the decision is necessary. Postponing tenure would put a lot of other things on hold for another full year (sabbatical, long-term research projects that I am anxious to start, new courses I'd like to teach, and the possibility of having another child). On the other hand, I think I'm lucky to be at an institution where such an arrangement is possible. I would REALLY appreciate your thoughts on how to approach this, either via WIPHYS or by private email. Ann M. Viano, Asst. Professor Physics Department Rhodes College, Memphis, TN 38112 901-843-3912 ****************************** In order to subscribe to WIPHYS (The Women in Physics listserv), please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org Leave the subject line blank The body or text of the message should read: subscribe wiphys In order to unsubscribe to WIPHYS, please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org Leave the subject line blank The body or text of the message should read: unsubscribe wiphys If you have any questions, please contact the moderator at wiphys@aps.org ****************************** From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 24 15:33:38 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA18614 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:33:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18608 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:33:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20847 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:33:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20844 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:33:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09DA5F0D8F; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:32:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B885F0D79 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:32:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from acs034 (acs126.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.248]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OKWB921331 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:32:11 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Debby Quock" To: Subject: RE: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:32:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c30aa0$9567d180$22428b92@atlasops.anl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-106.4 required=5.7 tests=IN_REP_TO,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov id PAA18609 Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, For what it is worth, here are my 2 cents on the topic of changing scientific areas of study, or in my case, engineering disciplines, during one's career. I think most engineers would agree that in engineering, people want and like to obtain a broad technical background so as to be more versatile in solving a variety of engineering problems. No doubt, it is time consuming to learn new technology, but in the long run, I think it makes for a better scientist (or engineer). In the engineering field, I hear people complain if they don't get a variety of assignments or don't get the opportunity to switch to different departments. This type of philosophy is probably due to the corporate climate of moving up the company ladder by understanding all facets of the company's technology and business practices. Debby -----Original Message----- From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Eliane Lessner Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 1:41 PM To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: FW: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 I find the Martha Redi's comments valuable and very true. My experience, going from theoretical physics, to applied science, to computing, back to applied science, has suffered the same obstacles as Martha Redi exposed in her contribution. Eliane Lessner. -----Original Message----- From: Women in Physics [mailto:wiphys@aps.org] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:32 AM To: esl@aps.anl.gov Subject: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 RE-ENTRY/PART-TIME, cont. 1. Changing Fields 2. Too Optimistic? 3. Postponement of Tenure Decision? ******MESSAGE ONE **** CHANGING FIELDS Did you take a 'break' of a year or more in your career to raise children? If so, how did you get back into physics? Did you work part-time? volunteer with a research group? - My experience is from 20-30 years ago, but may have some interest. When I received my PhD there were no jobs in my specialty of theoretical condensed matter, within commuting distance, that had any interest for me, so I remained at my graduate institution as a part time instructor and researcher for a year, became pregnant and dropped out for 5 years. There was also at that time no child care, and part time jobs were pretty clearly deadend, but mostly there was nothing that was interesting. Very rough time to find a good job in physics - maybe 5 jobs in the whole US in the back of Physics Today. When my son was 5, I decided to go back to work, and was very fortunate to have parents-in-law nearby to pitch in with childcare and many friends in Princeton, NJ. I joined a research group in biomolecular computing in the Princeton University chemistry department (unpaid for 6 months, then became a part-time instructor teaching quantum chemistry). When first getting started in this group, I was encouraged to apply for postdoctoral fellowships from NIH, AAUW and another (for which I forget the name). The professor whose group I had joined, suggested a good idea for a proposal for these fellowships and I was offered all the fellowships I'd applied for. I accepted the NIH because it was for 3 years and then moved to the physics Department where I worked for 3 years in both theoretical biophysics and condensed matter. Had a wonderful time, published terrific first author papers, but a permanent situation did not materialize. I moved to the Princeton University Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory where there was a job in mathematical modeling of ocean dynamics. Again I had a wonderful time, published a very highly cited first author paper, but the permanent situation which had been initially "promised", disappeared. At this point I'd had >5 years of postdoctoral work, a 10 year old son, ill parents and parents-in-law nearby and could not take on a long commute, nor another postdoc. So I took another job at Princeton University, this time replacing a physics Bachelor's degreed computer programmer in the Plasma Physics Laboratory. But this was finally a permanent staff position. It took 20 years and about 25 peer reviewed, first author publications after that to make it to the top rank, Principal Research Physicist. For this I had to be voted in just as academic departments vote for the top ranks of professors. Along the way I've effectively completed PhD's in condensed matter, theoretical biophysics, oceanography, and plasma physics. One particularly difficult aspect of this has been that changing fields drastically, as I did to remain in the same geographical area, destroys the integrated value of your earlier knowledge, earlier contacts and earlier accomplishments. I would strongly encourage staying in the same general field if at all possible and I hope you find success and happiness. Martha Redi, Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory redi@pppl.gov ********MESSAGE TWO ***** TOO OPTIMISTIC? I find this posting very refreshing, but also very optimistic and somewhat misleading. The author implies that the difficulties women face to have a career in science and a family are pretty much in our minds. I don't agree with that. As scientists, we should be able to distinguish between trends and particular cases. What this posting is talking about is a particular case. What the studies and statistics talk about are trends. The trend is for women to drop out of the pipeline at all stages and also to be less successful that they could have been (or that they would have been had they been men-see the pay difference for example) when they stay. While it is true that hard good work will take you farther, man or woman, it is also true that there is ingrained difficulty in the system for women because we are perceived as different by too many of our peers. Or are we going to buy now that women are leaving careers ONLY because they choose too? No, the choice is too many times made for us by the system. The system is getting better, of course, but we have to keep at it because it didn't get better on its own. Isabel Echeverreda, Ph D Phone: (+1) (608) 218 9632 E-mail: iechever@chem.wisc.edu http://www.fisfun.uned.es/~iechever/iechever.html ***MESSAGE THREE ******** POSTPONEMENT OF TENURE DECISION? I have a question regarding postponement of the tenure decision for childbearing reasons. I am a tenure-track physics faculty at a small liberal arts college and am expecting my first child in about a month. My husband is also a physics faculty member (with tenure) at this institution. I plan to take an unpaid leave of absence for the fall semester (fall 2003), and return full-time in January. My question is the following: My tenure review is scheduled for fall of 2004 (during my sixth year), which is one year after my one term leave. Because I am taking a one semester leave in fall 2003, the Dean has offered to postpone my tenure review one full year. I don't know if this is a good idea or not, since I have no idea how being a mother will affect my ability to continue my activities with their current time commitments. There is no option of postponing it by just one semester, since all tenure reviews are conducted during the fall semester. I meet with my Dean next week! to discuss this issue. I proposed that he let me return to work for one semester and then make a decision about whether or not I want to postpone my review; but he cannot wait until the end of that semester for my decision. I think I am in great shape for tenure, having plenty of publications and great evaluations, so I'm not sure postponing the decision is necessary. Postponing tenure would put a lot of other things on hold for another full year (sabbatical, long-term research projects that I am anxious to start, new courses I'd like to teach, and the possibility of having another child). On the other hand, I think I'm lucky to be at an institution where such an arrangement is possible. I would REALLY appreciate your thoughts on how to approach this, either via WIPHYS or by private email. Ann M. Viano, Asst. Professor Physics Department Rhodes College, Memphis, TN 38112 901-843-3912 ****************************** In order to subscribe to WIPHYS (The Women in Physics listserv), please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org Leave the subject line blank The body or text of the message should read: subscribe wiphys In order to unsubscribe to WIPHYS, please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org Leave the subject line blank The body or text of the message should read: unsubscribe wiphys If you have any questions, please contact the moderator at wiphys@aps.org ****************************** From owner-women-in-science Thu Apr 24 15:53:17 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA19994 for women-in-science-outgoing; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:53:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19988 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:53:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27129 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:53:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prospero.er.anl.gov (prospero.er.anl.gov [146.139.112.9]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27121 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:53:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from anl.gov (bird.er.anl.gov [146.139.112.201]) by prospero.er.anl.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id h3OKqeQ06979 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:52:40 GMT Message-ID: <3EA84E98.3F542DC@anl.gov> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:52:40 -0500 From: Nancy A Marley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: Re: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 References: <000801c30aa0$9567d180$22428b92@atlasops.anl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sherry Rowland, Nobel Laureate, recommends completely changing areas of research at least once every 10 years so as not to get stale. His nobel prize in chemistry for the CFC effects on stratospheric ozone depletion was not in his original area of expertise which was hot atom chemistry. Perhaps it depends more on your attitude regarding the change. Opportunity or setback? Nancy Debby Quock wrote: > Hi all, > > For what it is worth, here are my 2 cents on the topic of changing > scientific areas of study, or in my case, engineering disciplines, during > one's career. > > I think most engineers would agree that in engineering, people want and like > to obtain a broad technical background so as to be more versatile in solving > a variety of engineering problems. No doubt, it is time consuming to learn > new technology, but in the long run, I think it makes for a better scientist > (or engineer). In the engineering field, I hear people complain if they > don't get a variety of assignments or don't get the opportunity to switch to > different departments. This type of philosophy is probably due to the > corporate climate of moving up the company ladder by understanding all > facets of the company's technology and business practices. > > Debby > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov > [mailto:owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Eliane > Lessner > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 1:41 PM > To: wisttalk@anl.gov > Subject: FW: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 > > I find the Martha Redi's comments valuable and very true. My experience, > going from theoretical physics, to applied science, to computing, back to > applied science, has suffered the same obstacles as Martha Redi exposed in > her contribution. > Eliane Lessner. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Women in Physics [mailto:wiphys@aps.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:32 AM > To: esl@aps.anl.gov > Subject: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 24, 2003 > > RE-ENTRY/PART-TIME, cont. > 1. Changing Fields > 2. Too Optimistic? > 3. Postponement of Tenure Decision? > > ******MESSAGE ONE **** > CHANGING FIELDS > > Did you take a 'break' of a year or more in your career to raise > children? If so, how did you get back into physics? Did you work > part-time? volunteer with a research group? > > - My experience is from 20-30 years ago, but may have some > interest. When I received my PhD there were no jobs in my > specialty of theoretical condensed matter, within commuting > distance, that had any interest for me, so I remained at my graduate > institution as a part time instructor and researcher for a year, > became pregnant and dropped out for 5 years. There was also at > that time no child care, and part time jobs were pretty clearly > deadend, but mostly there was nothing that was interesting. Very > rough time to find a good job in physics - maybe 5 jobs in the whole > US in the back of Physics Today. > > When my son was 5, I decided to go back to work, and was very > fortunate to have parents-in-law nearby to pitch in with childcare > and many friends in Princeton, NJ. I joined a research group in > biomolecular computing in the Princeton University chemistry > department (unpaid for 6 months, then became a part-time > instructor teaching quantum chemistry). When first getting > started in this group, I was encouraged to apply for postdoctoral > fellowships from NIH, AAUW and another (for which I forget the > name). The professor whose group I had joined, suggested a good > idea for a proposal for these fellowships and I was offered all the > fellowships I'd applied for. I accepted the NIH because it was for 3 > years and then moved to the physics Department where I worked > for 3 years in both theoretical biophysics and condensed matter. > Had a wonderful time, published terrific first author papers, but a > permanent situation did not materialize. > > I moved to the Princeton University Geophysical Fluid Dynamics > Laboratory where there was a job in mathematical modeling of > ocean dynamics. Again I had a wonderful time, published a very > highly cited first author paper, but the permanent situation which > had been initially "promised", disappeared. At this point I'd had >5 > years of postdoctoral work, a 10 year old son, ill parents and > parents-in-law nearby and could not take on a long commute, nor > another postdoc. > > So I took another job at Princeton University, this time replacing a > physics Bachelor's degreed computer programmer in the Plasma > Physics Laboratory. But this was finally a permanent staff position. > It took 20 years and about 25 peer reviewed, first author > publications after that to make it to the top rank, Principal Research > Physicist. For this I had to be voted in just as academic > departments vote for the top ranks of professors. Along the way > I've effectively completed PhD's in condensed matter, theoretical > biophysics, oceanography, and plasma physics. > > One particularly difficult aspect of this has been that changing fields > drastically, as I did to remain in the same geographical area, > destroys the integrated value of your earlier knowledge, earlier > contacts and earlier accomplishments. I would strongly encourage > staying in the same general field if at all possible and I hope you > find success and happiness. > Martha Redi, Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory > redi@pppl.gov > > ********MESSAGE TWO ***** > TOO OPTIMISTIC? > I find this posting very refreshing, but also very optimistic and > somewhat misleading. The author implies that the difficulties > women face to have a career in science and a family are pretty > much in our minds. I don't agree with that. > > As scientists, we should be able to distinguish between trends and > particular cases. What this posting is talking about is a particular > case. What the studies and statistics talk about are trends. The trend > is for women to drop out of the pipeline at all stages and also to be > less successful that they could have been (or that they would have > been had they been men-see the pay difference for example) when > they stay. While it is true that hard good work will take you farther, > man or woman, it is also true that there is ingrained difficulty in the > system for women because we are perceived as different by too > many of our peers. Or are we going to buy now that women are > leaving careers ONLY because they choose too? No, the choice is > too many times made for us by the system. The system is getting > better, of course, but we have to keep at it because it didn't get > better on its own. > Isabel Echeverreda, Ph D > Phone: (+1) (608) 218 9632 > E-mail: iechever@chem.wisc.edu > http://www.fisfun.uned.es/~iechever/iechever.html > > ***MESSAGE THREE ******** > POSTPONEMENT OF TENURE DECISION? > > I have a question regarding postponement of the tenure decision for > childbearing reasons. I am a tenure-track physics faculty at a small > liberal arts college and am expecting my first child in about a > month. My husband is also a physics faculty member (with tenure) > at this institution. I plan to take an unpaid leave of absence for the > fall semester (fall 2003), and return full-time in January. My > question is the following: My tenure review is scheduled for fall of > 2004 (during my sixth year), which is one year after my one term > leave. Because I am taking a one semester leave in fall 2003, the > Dean has offered to postpone my tenure review one full year. I > don't know if this is a good idea or not, since I have no idea how > being a mother will affect my ability to continue my activities with > their current time commitments. There is no option of postponing > it by just one semester, since all tenure reviews are conducted > during the fall semester. I meet with my Dean next week! > to discuss this issue. I proposed that he let me return to work for > one semester and then make a decision about whether or not I want > to postpone my review; but he cannot wait until the end of that > semester for my decision. I think I am in great shape for tenure, > having plenty of publications and great evaluations, so I'm not sure > postponing the decision is necessary. > > Postponing tenure would put a lot of other things on hold for > another full year (sabbatical, long-term research projects that I am > anxious to start, new courses I'd like to teach, and the possibility of > having another child). On the other hand, I think I'm lucky to be at > an institution where such an arrangement is possible. I would > REALLY appreciate your thoughts on how to approach this, either > via WIPHYS or by private email. > > Ann M. Viano, Asst. Professor > Physics Department > Rhodes College, Memphis, TN 38112 > 901-843-3912 > > ****************************** > In order to subscribe to WIPHYS (The Women in Physics listserv), > please send a message to: majordomo@aps.org > Leave the subject line blank > The body or text of the message should read: subscribe wiphys > > In order to unsubscribe to WIPHYS, please send a message to: > majordomo@aps.org > Leave the subject line blank > The body or text of the message should read: unsubscribe wiphys > > If you have any questions, please contact the moderator at > wiphys@aps.org > ****************************** From owner-women-in-science Fri Apr 25 16:56:59 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA26723 for women-in-science-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:56:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26717 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:56:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06627 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:56:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.et.anl.gov (smtp.et.anl.gov [130.202.171.138]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06621; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:56:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BrayDLTF122 (braydlt-f122.et.anl.gov [146.139.86.14]) by smtp.et.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PLutp26751; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:56:55 -0500 From: "Terri S Bray" To: Cc: , "'Hudson Julie - jhudso'" , "'Badica, Elvira'" , , Subject: ACDC Meeting Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:58:49 -0500 Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Message-ID: <008201c30b75$da2ce3c0$0e568b92@et.anl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30B4B.F156DBC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30B4B.F156DBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim, I don't know if you are aware of this, but I am a recent addition to the ACDC Parent Association. I appreciate PFS' willingness to be involved in the management and direction of the daycare. I would like to be involved in this meeting and request that this meeting--and the reason behind it--be distributed to all parents at the day care. I am quite concerned about the discussions I have seen--many of the stories are obviously from the room my daughter was in and is in. But I also think that many of us have positive experiences to share, and that should be part of this meeting. I also suggest that PFS release the results of the recent survey done concerning daycare at ANL. I have asked Bright Horizons and we were given an incomplete answer. One item you should be aware of: next week, there is a scheduled picnic at the daycare from 11-12:30. While it would be a great opportunity to have a parent meeting there since so many will be present, it may present a hardship to parents to be away from work for that length of time. I would suggest having the meeting at a different time. We have monthly parent association meetings--the 3rd Wed. of the month. But for May, that date is too far away. Please let me know how I can help. The daycare is too important for this issue to be dropped. Terri Terri Bray Manager, Hot Cell Facilities Section Energy Technology Division Argonne National Laboratory 630-252-9957 fax: 630-252-9232 page: 630-314-9497 email: tbray@anl.gov ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30B4B.F156DBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ACDC Meeting

Kim,

I don't know if you are aware of this, = but I am a recent addition to the ACDC Parent Association. I appreciate = PFS' willingness to be involved in the management and direction of the = daycare.

I would like to be involved in this = meeting and request that this meeting--and the reason behind it--be = distributed to all parents at the day care. I am quite concerned about = the discussions I have seen--many of the stories are obviously from the = room my daughter was in and is in. But I also think that many of us have = positive experiences to share, and that should be part of this = meeting.

I also suggest that PFS release the = results of the recent survey done concerning daycare at ANL. I have = asked Bright Horizons and we were given an incomplete answer.

One item you should be aware of: next = week, there is a scheduled picnic at the daycare from 11-12:30. While it = would be a great opportunity to have a parent meeting there since so = many will be present, it may present a hardship to parents to be away = from work for that length of time. I would suggest having the meeting at = a different time.

We have monthly parent association = meetings--the 3rd Wed. of the month. But for May, that date is too far = away.

Please let me know how I can help. The = daycare is too important for this issue to be dropped.

Terri




Terri Bray
Manager, Hot Cell Facilities = Section
Energy Technology Division
Argonne National Laboratory
630-252-9957
fax: 630-252-9232
page: 630-314-9497
email: tbray@anl.gov


------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C30B4B.F156DBC0-- From owner-women-in-science Tue Apr 29 09:47:40 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA19037 for women-in-science-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:47:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19031 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:47:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25379 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:47:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from anchim.chm.anl.gov (anchim.chm.anl.gov [146.137.86.75]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25351 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by anchim.chm.anl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:37:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "VanWermeskerken, Nancy" To: wisttalk@anl.gov Subject: RE: Message from Gwendolyn Allen-Morrison Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:37:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C30E5C.D17FA750" Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30E5C.D17FA750 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: ACDC Meeting - Rescheduled > > All- > Please plan to attend a meeting regarding the Argonne Child > Development Center where Linda Oury, Regional Vice President of Bright Horizons will be here to address issues and concerns of parents (specifically those discussed in the most recent email circulation), recent survey findings, as well as plans for moving forward with the center. Due to the schedule conflict with the Child Care Picnic, the ACDC Meeting has been rescheduled as follows: > > Date: Monday, May 5th > Time: 12:30 > Place: Bldg. 201/ rm. 275 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30E5C.D17FA750 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C30E5C.D17FA750-- From owner-women-in-science Wed Apr 30 10:28:34 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA14821 for women-in-science-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atalanta.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14815 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hermes.ctd.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13308 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by hermes.ctd.anl.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13304 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ctd.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6A95F0D8A; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov [146.139.228.1]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740385F0D8A for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from elessner (elessner.phy.anl.gov [146.139.198.217]) by ruoppolo.phy.anl.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3UFST915184 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:29 -0500 From: "Eliane Lessner" To: Subject: FW: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 30, 2003 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-108.8 required=5.7 tests=MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some interesting web istes. Eliane. -----Original Message----- From: Women in Physics [mailto:wiphys@aps.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:10 AM To: esl@aps.anl.gov Subject: WIPHYS Posting for Apr 30, 2003 NEW UK STRATEGY 1. A Strategy for Women in Science, Engineering and Technology WEBSITE 2. IAEA Website Celebrates Women in an Atomic World *****MESSAGE ONE ****** STRATEGY FOR WOMEN IN SCIENCE, ENGINEERING AND TECHNOLOGY The British Government has announced a new integrated approach to tackling the problem of the under-representation of women in science, engineering and technology (SET) in employment, education and policy making in the United Kingdom. The Government's new strategy is outlined in full in the report published on 28 April 2003: 'A Strategy for Women in Science, Engineering and Technology', which is available from the Promoting SET for Women Unit's website at the following address: http://www.set4women.gov.uk/set4women/research/the_greenfield _response.htm The new strategy is the Government's reply to the Greenfield report, 'SET Fair', which reviewed the current status of women's participation in SET and was published in November 2002. Promoting Set for Women Unit http://www.set4women.gov.uk Ann Marks, Honorary Secretary Women in Physics Group Institute of Physics wipg@amarks.co.uk (Thanks to Cherrill Spencer for submitting this item!) ********MESSAGE TWO ****** IAEA WEBSITE CELEBRATES WOMEN IN AN ATOMIC WORLD Take a moment to view the beautiful and informative website of the International Atomic Energy Agency http://www.iaea.org/women/2003/start.html "Celebrating Diversity: Women Energize an Atomic World". 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To: "Kaufmann, Elton N." Sender: owner-women-in-science@achilles.ctd.anl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30F66.E8CFD4E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 20th LDRD mini symposium will occur Monday, May 5. The Laboratory Directorate invites and encourages all whose work schedules permit to attend. Presentations will be found in the agenda reproduced below. =20 =20 LDRD MINI-SYMPOSIUM (20th in the series) Monday, May 5, 2003 2:00 - 4:00 PM Building 402, E1100-1200 =20 =20 2:00 PM - John Hryn, ES Molten Oxide Electrolysis: A Basis for Carbon-Free Steel Production =20 2:15 PM - Tom Fanning, NE Advanced Fast Reactor (AFR-300) Design Studies: Evaluation of Coupled Core Design and Heat Removal Systems for Superior Passive Safety Performance =20 2:30 PM - Hassan Arafat,CMT A New Process for Groundwater Decontamination using Cooking Oils =20 2:45 PM - Nela Zavaljevski, NE Support Vector Machine Algorithms to Merge Protein Structural Analysis and Machine Learning =20 3:00 PM - BREAK =20 3:15 PM - Michael North,DIS Counter Terrorism Application of Agent Based Simulation =20 3:30 PM - Mark Knickelbein,CHM Magnetically Stabilized Metal Clusters =20 3:45 PM - Jim Willit, CMT Development of Anodes for Actinide Electrolysis =20 4:00 PM - Adjourn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C30F66.E8CFD4E2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=
The 20th LDRD mini symposium will=20 occur Monday, May 5.=20 The Laboratory Directorate invites and encourages all whose = work=20 schedules permit to attend.  Presentations will be found in the = agenda=20 reproduced below.
 
 

LDRD MINI-SYMPOSIUM (20th in the=20 series)

Monday, May 5, 2003

2:00 – 4:00 PM

Building 402,=20 E1100-1200

 

 

2:00 PM - John Hryn, = ES

Molten Oxide=20 Electrolysis:  A Basis for = Carbon-Free Steel Production

 

2:15 PM - Tom Fanning,=20 NE

Advanced Fast = Reactor=20 (AFR-300) Design Studies:  Evaluation of Coupled Core=20 Design=20 and Heat Removal Systems for Superior Passive Safety=20 Performance

 

2:30 PM - Hassan=20 Arafat,CMT

A New=20 Process for Groundwater Decontamination using Cooking Oils

 

2:45 PM - = Nela = Zavaljevski, NE

Support Vector = Machine=20 Algorithms to Merge Protein Structural Analysis and Machine=20 Learning

 

3:00 PM - = BREAK

 

3:15 PM - Michael=20 North,DIS

Counter=20 Terrorism Application of Agent Based Simulation

 

3:30 PM - Mark=20 Knickelbein,CHM

Magnetically=20 Stabilized Metal Clusters

 

3:45 PM - Jim Willit,=20 CMT

Development of = Anodes for=20 Actinide Electrolysis

 

4:00 PM –=20 Adjourn

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