[14:02] 	tl13	erib2: Hi!
[14:02] 	tl13	ericb2: Hi!
[14:03] 	ericb2	tl13: hi :-)
[14:03] 	ericb2	tl13: thanks to come on the channel 
[14:04] 	tl13	About the problem with the activation of the mac osx spellchecker and not having the OOo spellchecker activated. That will be a bit troublesome...
[14:04] 	tl13	Actually the most easiest way to have this done is to have the user uncheck the Hunspell entry in the UI...
[14:05] 	ericb2	tl13: this is sufficient, and more what  we had in mind
[14:05] 	ericb2	tl13: if I remember correctly, both are checked with current code
[14:06] 	ericb2	tl13: unfortunaly, michael is busy this afternoon, and will join us only this evening, or so 
[14:06] 	tl13	Another easy(?) method might be to have the user select during installation which one it needs to be and if only the mac osxspellchecker was selected to add no dictionartes for the OOo spellchecker where the languages are already available with the mac osx spellchecker...
[14:06] 	tl13	Yes. Both are checked since all that is available should be usable by default!
[14:07] 	tl13	Unfortunately the order of which spellchecker will be called first is undefined as long as the user does not make an explicit choice or respective xcu entries are supplied.
[14:08] 	tl13	Also having both spell checker activated at the same time is not at all a problem IF they take care of different languages.
[14:08] 	tl13	Thus if you manage to not install the OOo dictionaries for spell checking where Mac OSX can take care of it there will be no problem.
[14:09] 	tl13	The more complicated way to straigth things out is to provide the installation with the respective xcu entries to be used.
[14:09] 	ericb2	tl13: to analyse from another side: which case won't work ? 
[14:10] 	ericb2	tl13: e.g. both Mac OSX spell checker and OOo dictionnary for spell checking, for the same locale ?
[14:10] 	tl13	The only problematic case (where it is not defined which spellchecker will get the advantage over the other one) is where both spell checkers can support the same language.
[14:11] 	tl13	If Mac OSX were e.g. only to support european languages and e.g. the OOo spellchecker would only support the african languages everything will be find since they don't collide.
[14:11] 	ericb2	tl13: ok
[14:12] 	tl13	If the collide either the user has to take action in the UI or the respective xcu entries defining the precedence have to be supplied.
[14:13] 	tl13	Also be aware that what gets installed later on by the user will take precedence since it is assumed that this is the way the user wants it.
[14:13] 	ericb2	tl13: noticed
[14:14] 	tl13	Thus if Mac OSX will take care of French ab later on the user downloads a French dictionary for OOo the OOo spell checker will take precedence over the Mac OSX spellchecker later on. That is the 'auto-magic' of the linguistic which looks for new installed data files...
[14:15] 	tl13	But this will happen for only that language. Since each language will be handled separately.
[14:15] 	ericb2	tl13: most of the cases are :
[14:15] 	ericb2	Mac OS X spell checker is default, activated, and everything is fine
[14:16] 	tl13	Coment:
[14:16] 	tl13	This will only be the case unless there is no clash in languages between HunSpell and Mac OSX spell checker.
[14:17] 	ericb2	tl13: testers didn't report any clash yet btw 
[14:18] 	tl13	Are you fine this kind of explanation or do you need more detailed info about how to supply xcu entries? (that will get somewhat complicated... or at least take much longer to explain)
[14:18] 	tl13	The question is did they see it?
[14:19] 	ericb2	tl13: I think so, but they didn't provide enough feedback. Maybe we could ask for tests on mac@porting list 
[14:19] 	tl13	Basically there should be clashes for each languag in the dictionary project that has an affix file for the OOo spell checker.
[14:20] 	tl13	E.g. en-US all de-* it-IT fr-FR d_DK, ....
[14:20] 	tl13	Do you know where to check for this in the UI?
[14:21] 	*	ericb2 copy/paste preciously all thoses infos for Michael 
[14:21] 	tl13	And if by chance the mac osx spellchecker will currently win it will still be just by chance...
[14:22] 	ericb2	tl13: I think in Tools -> Options -> Linguistic or close, no ?
[14:23] 	tl13	Yes Tools/Options/Language Settings - Writing Aids the dialog where you can see the entries for the Hunspell and the Mac OSX spell checker. Just let us have a look at it and open it please.
[14:24] 	ericb2	tl13: FYI, Michael put everything there : http://ooomisc.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/MacOSX/cwsmacosxspell/

[14:26] 	tl13	Hmmm... I just opened one of those dmg files and it seems empty. Anyway I don't know what these files are for... Shall we continue with the dialog for now?
[14:27] 	ericb2	tl13: I'm downloading one .dmg. If you want we can continue later ? 
[14:27] 	ericb2	tl13: I'll have a look in meantime
[14:27] 	tl13	Yes lets talk about those dmg files later.
[14:28] 	ericb2	tl13: ok, thank you for being here: this saves su a lot of time :)
[14:28] 	tl13	Do you see the entries for the Mac OSX spellchecker and Hunspell ? They should both be visible...
[14:28] 	ericb2	tl13: I'm downloading, sorry
[14:29] 	ericb2	tl13: afai remember, both are visible with a clean install
[14:29] 	tl13	You mean an installation set?
[14:29] 	ericb2	tl13: yes
[14:29] 		thorsten tl13 TrainedMonkey
[14:29] 	tl13	Ok. I'll wait.
[14:30] 	ericb2	tl13: + personnal preferences in ~/Library/Application Support/OpenOffice.org-aqua
[14:30] 	ericb2	the .xcu is in this last folder
[14:30] 	tl13	Sorry. I have no access to Mac installation right now.
[14:31] 	ericb2	tl13: no problem, replace ~/...  /OpenOffice.org-aqua  with ~/.openoffice.org2 
[14:31] 	tl13	Sure.
[14:31] 	ericb2	tl13: 99% of the install is the same (excepted one macosxrc.txt file )
[14:33] 	*	ericb2 download is very slow .. quite unusual 
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[14:34] 	tl13	Do you have any other installation available?
[14:35] 	tl13	To show you where to look a and at what to look any would be fine.
[14:35] 	ericb2	tl13: I'll verify, but I don't think so. I did some cleanup two days ago 
[14:36] 	ericb2	tl13: yet 10 minutes max 
[14:37] 	tl13	ok
[14:37] 	ericb2	tl13: if you have something urgent to do, we can continue in  ~ 15 min  ?
[14:38] 	tl13	No problem I can do sth else while we are chatting. It 's jiust some 'paper' issue ^_~
[14:38] 	ericb2	:)
[14:52] 	ericb2	tl13: at first launch, with a clean install (removing ~/Library/Application Support/OpenOffice.org-aqua floder) : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/screenshots/september2007/macspell/macspell_fr.jpg
[14:52] 	ericb2	tl13: first listed is hunspell, and both hunspell and Mac spell checker are checked
[14:53] 	tl13	So far so good. But nothing can be said just from this.
[14:53] 	tl13	Press the top right Edit button and in the language list box of that dialog choose the very first one.
[14:54] 	ericb2	tl13: Franch /france 
[14:55] 	ericb2	tl13: Mac OS X SpellChecker only
[14:55] 	tl13	How many entries do you have in the section "spelling" to the right?
[14:55] 	ericb2	tl13: only one,  and it is checked
[14:56] 	tl13	Ok. That would be fine. Now step from language to language and look if there is just only one entry (be it Mac OSX spell check or HunSpell) if there are two, we will have a problem.
[14:57] 	ericb2	http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/screenshots/september2007/macspell/macspell_fr02.jpg
[14:58] 	ericb2	tl13: ok, I check .. 
[14:58] 	ericb2	tl13: looks like german will have problems
[14:59] 	tl13	France has no problem because fr_FR is not  part of the dictionaries project yet....
[14:59] 	ericb2	tl13: Hunspell and Mac OS X ( in that order )are both checked
[14:59] 	ericb2	tl13: indeed
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[14:59] 	ericb2	same issue for en-US
[15:00] 	tl13	That is both spell checkers will take care of that languages and the first one listed should be the one asked first. Only if that one fails to find a word to be corect the next spell checker in the list will be used...
[15:00] 	tl13	You can change the order by using the move-up move-down buttons to the side.
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[15:01] 	tl13	Actually though your OS will be the first where there are two for the same language and thus you will be honored with the task to see if there is an error with that implementation. ^_~
[15:01] 	tl13	Or you could simply disable the one you do not like.
[15:01] 	ericb2	tl13: fortunaly, we are in development branch 
[15:02] 	tl13	Plese not that in the previous dialog the respective entries will still be enable as long as there is at least *one* language where that spell checker is in use.
[15:03] 	tl13	Having the check mark makes no implication on which or how many languages that spell checker (or hyphenator / thesaurus) will be used....
[15:03] 	tl13	It just means this one is used for at least one language...
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[15:04] 	tl13	As said the ones with 'problems' will be those that are supported by Mac OSX and have a HunSpell dictionary in the dictionary project...
[15:04] 	ericb2	tl13: agreed: when you change for affricaans languages, Hunspell does not exist.  Other point, I think ask people for tests will help a lot to see what issues occur with current code
[15:06] 	tl13	They only problem that could occur that may be expected is that the actual spell checking order does not follow the order defined in this list if there are two or more spell checkers.
[15:07] 	ericb2	tl13: we can advertise the users in a FAQ ?
[15:07] 	tl13	That on the other side could easily be crosschecked when looking up the Linguistic.xcu
[15:08] 	tl13	Would be nice and likely the easiest way for us. On the other hand who will read a faq before it is already too late? ^_~
[15:08] 	ericb2	tl13: what can happen? a crash ?
[15:09] 	tl13	No. At most the order of the spell checkers being called should be wrong. That is you would like to get the Mac OSX spell checker but actaully you will get the results from the OOo spell checker or vice versa.
[15:09] 	tl13	Thus the reuslts might not be what was expected.
[15:09] 	ericb2	tl13: ok
[15:10] 	ericb2	tl13: I'm sorry, I'll have to stop soon, and I'd like to thank you for your help :-)
[15:10] 	tl13	Ok. No problem.
[15:10] 	rbircher	hello at all
[15:10] 	ericb2	tl13: I'll forward Michael all the discussion 
[15:11] 	ericb2	rbircher: hello and goodbye :)